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Just direct an email to info at karm.org, info at karm.org. And put the subject line, radio comment, radio question. Now as you know, or you may know, I work six days a week. On Sundays I take the Sunday off. But on Saturdays, you know, I work, not a full day, I just kind of work-ish.

But I do definitely do stuff and then do other things too. And I was researching penal substitutionary atonement in the church fathers. And that was interesting.

I found, I'm still going through them. Lots of quotes that support that. And I just did today a search on baptismal regeneration. And almost all the church fathers will teach that baptism is part of salvation. How about that?

And it just tells me they went wrong early. Hey, let's get to Dalton from Dayton, Ohio. Welcome, brother. You're on the air. Yes, howdy. All right, man. What do you got, buddy?

You there? Yes, yes. I was, we just had a discussion on, kind of a discussion on the end of times and on Matthew 24. But I was just wanting to get your opinion and your point of view on what you might think about that. Well, my view is not in the majority of people of America. Most people believe that there's going to be a 7-year tribulation.

I agree. But they teach that, most people teach that before the tribulation, rapture will occur. I deny that. I believe we go through the tribulation period. And then most people teach that after the 7-year tribulation, there's going to be a literal 1,000-year reign. There's going to be 1,000 years. And I don't affirm that.

I do not believe that's the case. I believe the 1,000 years is a figurative term that is used in a figurative context in Revelation 20. And that we're not going to take it literally because the term thousand, like 1,000, is used in figurative context. God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. One day's been a thousand years. He'll be bound for a thousand years, you know, things like that. So it just seems to be very figurative in that. I can get in a lot more depth on these things, but I've done a lot of studies on it.

That's my position. Okay, yeah, yeah, that's very good. Yeah, that's exactly pretty much where we was kind of pointing to about the 1,000-year reign. And I mean, how we have misinterpreted the Bible so much already that maybe, you know, this is all, I guess you would call it symbolism about, you know, about the girl on the dragon and their revelations and, you know, the stars, how the stars will be expressed in the sky. And maybe, do you think maybe that is a little bit of symbolism? I think there's symbolism and literalism kind of woven in. We won't note how much to what, but the stars falling.

It doesn't literally mean all the stars, the way we define stars. I remember watching that guy, the astrophysicist, black guy. He's really good.

We're like watching him. And he made a comment with the Bible. He said, it's just wrong. The stars aren't going to fall. We know the stars aren't going to fall. And he doesn't understand the biblical context, that stars mean those points of light that are out there. And that those things, that's just the category they used, that there's going to be things falling from the heavens. So I believe that's going to happen, actually literally happen.

But literal star planets, I mean, stars, not going to fall to earth. But so there's figurative use there. But something's going to come out of heaven. Just one more thing.

I'm sorry. But another thing that got brought to the point that last night was they were talking about maybe, or Jesus was talking about, you know, that you're going to be persecuted. You know, they were coming with Daniel the prophet, you know, speaking of them. Well, somebody was mentioning since that after Jesus, you know, was resurrected, that there was a 40-year period after that that all of that had already taken place. Oh, that's called preterism. Yeah, that's called preterism. Okay. And that's, and they teach, preterists teach that Jesus returned in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem. Yes, that's, you know, okay. And that could be easily proven false, very easily, actually.

Yes, yes. We had some very deep conversation about that, too, on just how that's what, you know, many scholars, you know, because some of them, you know, don't really believe that. Don't really believe what? That, about Jesus being resurrected and then those, that 40-year, I guess, prophecy comes through. Yeah, it's to say, you know, Jesus said that this generation will not pass away, all these things.

And they say, see, that has to be that generation right then. Not necessarily, but the generation that is alive when these signs are happening at the end times. There's another view called partial preterism. And what that does is it says that what was spoken of at Christ's first coming will be fulfilled then and again at the second. So it's called partial preterism. That view is within orthodoxy, but full preterism is not because it is clearly refuted by Acts 1, 9-11 because they say, the preterists say that Jesus returned in the armies of Jerusalem to destroy Jerusalem. But that's not what the Bible says. He will return from the sky and then from the clouds. So that says in Acts 1, 9-11.

So the full preterists get it wrong, all right? Yes, yes. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your expertise on that. And I really appreciate it. And listening to you on a daily basis on my way home, I really appreciate it.

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All right. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772072276. Let's get back to this guy named Jermaine. Who is that guy? Hey, man, you're on.

Hey, Matt. You know, ironically, the concept of time came up. And I want to ask you to develop a thought. I thought I heard you say to a caller once that I think he tried to say that God existed outside of time.

And, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, I thought I heard you say we don't know that. But I was just looking through the Bible and there's nothing that really identifies, you know, concretely how God used time other than, you know, he can pretty much do what he wants. He's omnipotent. But couldn't we kind of ascertain that God operates outside of what we think we know of as time, just based on how he moves throughout the scriptures?

Well, I'm a little bit of a stickler for phrases and things like that. And I used to say God was outside of time until I started thinking about it. What does it mean to be outside of time?

I have no idea. You know, is it possible to be outside of time? Well, what is time? And so we get into some difficulties defining exactly what time is because there's a lot of debate. It seems to be a continuous sequence of events over passage from one to here as we call for the past or the future. But is time an actual thing?

These are just discussions that people have. Is it actually like a substance? Like a rock is a thing, okay? A thought is a thing. Is time a thing?

Or is it not a thing? It's just something we've invented as a concept to measure. Because one minute is a measurement from a point to another point of duration. So when we say God is outside of time, I don't know what it means. And so I can't say that he exists outside of time. There's absolute time, there's block universe time, there's called presentism, theory A, theory B. So people just don't know.

I just say God relates to time differently than we do. And if someone said, well, what does that mean? I'd say I'm not exactly sure. Because that's just me. I don't know what it means.

I don't. So does time exist in his nature? It would if he made a decision, but then we have problems. You see, if he makes a decision, it's a change of state of mind. And a change of a state of mind means one event follows another event.

We can say that's a measurement of time. But then again, if God knows all things eternally, how can he have a change in a mental state of how he decides? So there's problems, enigmas, paradoxes we can get into about all of it. And that's why I say, I don't know how it works. Okay. Okay. Well, you know, I think that's actually very fair since you explained your position.

And just giving your explanation, then I think that would logically have to be most of our positions if we're going to really think things through. Because we don't actually know what time is. We just know how to mark certain times and periods during the days and whatnot. But I know I was a friend of mine in the Philippines one day. She said Merry Christmas. I'm like, it's not Christmas yet.

What are you talking about? I keep getting she's on the other side of the world. Right. And for her, it was Christmas for me.

It was not. But we're all still on the same planet. So, you know, I guess it would just depend on how you recognize time. Well, that just shows you time can be affected, so to speak, our understanding of time can be affected by context. And then I can say to you, what time is it? For me, it's 4.16 and 8 seconds. I don't know what time it is for you, probably 3.16 and 8 seconds because you're out there. Yes.

We're just having different times related to the sun's position on our globe, our oblate spheroid, unless you're a flat earther. So, you know, hey, buddy, we've got a break. You want to hold? You want to stay or are you going to go? Sure. Okay. All right. Hey, folks, we'll be back after these messages.

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Just dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Jermaine from California. All right, Jermaine, you're back on, buddy. All right. Well, you know, the other thing I was thinking of, do you think sometime our concept of time kind of warps our understanding of God?

Sure. When we try to narrow him down into, I guess, certain categories that are really meant for human beings and not for him being sovereign? Yeah, I think that can certainly be the case. Because we're going to think of God in our own terms, how we relate to God. I don't think we have any concept to understand the nature of God, his ubiquity, his omnipresence, his omnisapience, knowledge, how it all works, how he relates to the Creator.

We just don't know. But he became one of us at the proper time after the fulfillment of prophecy. So in our realm, we see God working according to a sequence of events that are separated by what we call years.

And so he was able to do that. And how that works with him, how he can get everything perfectly correct all the time, I don't know. There's logistical issues we could say that the reason events occur is because God has ordained that they occur. Even our free will choices are ordained by God. And the only way that he can know them to be sure is that he's ordained that they come into existence. And so all things actual and potential are in the mind of God and he actualizes certain potentialities. And within the actualized universe that he's brought, all events in it will be actualized out of the potentiality of God's mind. And therefore, nothing can occur without the permission or direct decree or indirect decree of God as it ordinates all things that come to pass, Ephesians 1.11. And so in that, he is able to bring about exactly what he desires in all areas, including our free will choices, which are still free. And so he can decree, he can tell what's from the beginning to the end.

How that all works in his mind and his heart, I don't know. I think part of time and the relationship of time and history deals with the issue of actuality and potentiality. So if you had a piece of paper and it was blank, and no line, just a blank piece of paper, and the white paper there, this represents nothingness. Nothing is what rocks think of.

Just nothing. And so you put a dot in the middle and that dot represents God. Then you take squiggly lines, you draw 20, 30, 40, 50 of them out from that dot out to the edge of the paper in all directions. And those squiggly lines represent potential existences.

They haven't been actualized. God has an infinite number of potential existences that he is aware of. So we could draw 50 of those lines that represents an infinite number. And we could say that when God picks one of those lines, he actualizes a potentiality. Since all those lines are potentials in the mind of God, he actualizes one of them.

And we could look at that line and call it a timeline. And all the events on that particular timeline can only exist because God has chosen to bring that particular timeline into existence. God has actualized it, which means that all things that are within it potentially, like a free choice, the rock rolling down a hill, etc., all can only exist inside the parameters of which God has ordained to exist. So he's sovereignly in control of all things. So when we talk about things like this, how then is it that he relates to those objects that we would see as dots along that timeline?

All those dots, those objects, are only related to the mind of God in that he has allowed them to come into existence. And so all things that come into existence are ordained by God, that he directly causes it, and all things like bad things. But he certainly permits them to occur in his proximate conditioning of all things that exist. Well, this means then that time, as we would see it, is completely under the control of God because all events within what we would call a time frame or time reference are ordained by God. And nothing can occur outside of God's will.

Now, whether it be direct or indirect will, prescriptive or permissive will, things like that we get into. So when he works, it's like time is an actualized potentiality. Because remember, God knows all potentials, actuals and potentials. Before the universe was made, the only actuality was himself that he knew exhaustively.

And everything else that might exist, conditional, might be, counterfactual, doesn't exist. And so whatever he would bring into existence, we call that time reference. And so God relates to time differently because he necessarily is in control of all the events that operate within what we call time.

Otherwise, he's not God. And so then we get into this issue of what's called B-theory of time. And that B-theory is the idea that time is actualized and that all moments of time are equally extant. And what we do is we discover the relationships or distinctions between those points of time, those moments of what we call time or those events as they relate to one another. And this gets into super complicated stuff. And that's about as far as I've gotten into things as I've studied. But I don't know if anything I've made makes sense. But it's just a tough topic to get into, if that makes sense. Yeah, actually for me it does because I'm kind of a nerd as well. I think I read one of William Lane Craig's books on time as more, you know, just exploring as more a philosophy on how you approach it.

That's just my layman's term to describe, you know, in a paraphrase what I read. But what you said actually makes a lot of sense. I think, you know, we're confined by time. But for me, it actually deepens my faith because the concept of eternity seems to throw a lot of people off and say you'll be with God eternally. But for me, eternity can just be, there's no clock. There's no clock. You have no concept of what day, time, just like when we go to church camp and we're off in the woods.

Phones don't work and we don't care what time it is. We're just in this perpetual state of happiness with our family having fun. And we're completely unaware of the world, you know, outside of something horrible happening.

But we're just, you know, we get to scriptures, we fellowship, and, you know, no one ever wants to leave. That, for me, that kind of explains a little bit of how eternity might be with God where we're just focused on him. And there is nothing else to really focus on. You know, there's no clock to worry about.

There's no time constraint. So I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking forward to not being fatigued, to being able to be with the Lord, eternal alertness, and just nice.

Not having to take naps. You know, just being with him is going to be wonderful. And maybe what you're saying there is right. Time will just be different to us. I don't know.

But it's going to be awesomely great to be with him. So we've got a lot to learn. Yes, sir. All right. Well, thank you, Mayor. I really appreciate you taking the time to develop your answer.

Just gave me more of a concrete thought versus, you know, just the brief clip of what you said versus what you actually think. Appreciate you. Right. Amen. Appreciate you.

You too, brother. God bless. All right. God bless you, man. Okay.

There's the break. Perfect timing. And then we'll get back with Chris from Dayton, Ohio, on Martin Luther.

Interesting stuff. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

All right. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call at the bottom of the hour, the number is 877-207-2276. Let's get to Chris from Dayton, Ohio. Chris, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, thank you for taking my call. After that last conversation, I feel like a first grader. So my answer would have been, we don't have any concept of time, and then I would have just left it right there. See, there you go. It's a better answer.

I don't know if we can move on. So as a new Christian, I'm a member of a church. They are a fundamentalist Baptist church expository teaching. And I wanted to ask you, you've probably explained this a thousand times, but if you indulge me. So when they talk about Martin Luther, and then you read about his anti-Semitism, and then there's a Southern Baptist church, and after three years, I'm like, well, what does that mean?

And I was like, so bad history. And I love the church. I don't have any, they saved my life, so I don't have any problem with the actual church. But how do you deal with that?

Because I feel the same way when I'm listening to Michael Jackson music, and it's like, yeah, he wasn't the best person, but those were good songs. And so I just want your, you know, if you could explain that to me. You mean Martin Luther's anti-Semitism?

Yes. Well, I am a Southern Baptist as far as why they were Southern Baptist. And who's they were Southern Baptist, who's they? Well, I don't know why it's called Southern Baptist. Oh, so you're asking two different questions, two different questions.

No, I think they're on the same line. It's like, okay, so it may have had one or two bad things it did, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Okay, I'm not exactly sure what your question is. Well, can you, should you not give credence to what people teach if at the end of the day there were bad things that they did?

Okay, so that's a good question. All right, so Martin Luther towards the end of his life became a strong anti-Semite. He advocated for their persecution and a virtual type of enslavement of their children. He went off the deep end.

He really blew it. He thought that he could convert them or they could be converted by the preparation of the gospel, but they didn't convert. And then over a couple of decades he turned on them. At first he was favorable towards them, treated them nicely. And then he went and wrote a couple of works and then went really bad. And when I went to an LCMS college, Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod College, we talked about that. And the prophet just said flat out without any excuses, he says, yep, he blew it.

Just flat out. All right, so does that mean what Luther said earlier wasn't true, you know, exegeting scripture? That's my point. Yeah, and so the early stuff that he wrote, it was very good. I don't agree with everything Luther said, but the guy was brilliant and he did a great job. And so we could throw the baby out with a bathwater and say all of what he did is false because he became an anti-Semite later. It's like a logician or a mathematician who's a Christian and he does great work for Christianity and mathematics and then later in his life abandons Christianity and becomes an atheist so he dumped all of his work in mathematics because of it?

No. But it's just something we need to be aware of and just realize that he really did blow it. In fact, it's being used by people to invalidate Lutheranism. And so it's a mistake, I think, logically. It's a logic error.

Just because he went bad at the end doesn't mean what he said earlier wasn't true. That's the point. Okay, then, I mean, other things, like I'm a member of a Southern Baptist church and it's like, well, why were they Southern? It's because of the whole slavery issue and I'm like, I'm a little bit uncomfortable with that, but it's like, okay. I'm not going to ask them to abandon their name, but I'm just like, I don't know.

I mean, like I said, I am new and I'm not claiming any high ground. Yeah, and the Southern Baptist church, they split in the 1800s from the Northern split into two and then they went because they wanted slavery. Well, that just makes, that's a black eye on the Southern Baptist. It's like, what can you do?

It's bad. Well, but here's the thing, people can repent. You know, I'll tell you, I got some stuff in my early days of my early life. If you judged me now based on then, you know, yeah.

And so it's like I wouldn't want a lot of stuff out there, if you know what I mean. I just didn't get caught. I know what you mean.

Yeah, I'm surprised. I'm 54 and I just became saved. So yeah, I've got a lot of years of bad. Yeah, you know, and I've said that a lot of times, like, why did you keep me alive? You know, just, I don't get it.

Okay. I've prayed that many, many times, Matt. Sometimes I say to God, what are you thinking?

I mean, look at my walls. Look, I deserve it. Yeah, he's long suffering.

It's only his mercy. So, okay, so here I am as an apologist, and back when I was my mid-teens, I was pretty bad. So will we dismiss what I do now because of that?

No. So the Southern Baptist Church now denounces the slavery issue, and that's good. And that's okay. It's like someone repenting. You know, a criminal in prison gets out after 20 years, and he renounces.

In fact, I have a friend like this. He comes from Bible study. He was in prison for many, many, many years, and he's now a born-again believer.

He comes from Bible study. He's a great guy. And all that has just passed. Okay, whatever.

It's all good. I think I know two guys who are in prison, and they love the Lord now. We don't judge him now for what they did back then.

We judge him in Christ. So, but Luther, oh, he blew it. He really blew it with the Jews. He did. No way around it.

He just blew it. But it doesn't mean Lutheranism is invalid, because Luther went off the deep end. Because think about it. What if you have, here's the situation, a guy who's a great theologian, great, great, great theologian, and we don't know it, but he has a brain tumor, and it starts causing him to go off the deep end, and he writes stuff. I was thinking dementia. I'm going through dementia with my father right now, and then I was thinking, you know, it's great that you brought that up, because I can compare my own sins of the past with the Southern Baptist Church, and I can think of my father's dementia with Luther, and that's, I'm so thankful you took my call. Well, you know, my sympathies with you with that.

I have a wife with a lot of needs, and I'm not complaining about it. It's just, you know, it's just what you do, and there's challenges there, and we endure, and we go through. You know, nothing about what they're going through, but that's okay. So, yeah, if your father starts saying things that you know, sorry, but that's not you talking. That's something else talking. You know, again, you wouldn't dismiss all of his good stuff in his youth from bad things in life.

Yeah, great point. All the stuff that he taught me growing up to make me, you know, a man, and all the good worldly things that he taught me, which I'm not proud of, but, you know, the church has pointed that out, but he also, he gave me a lot of good qualities, and yeah, that's, I mean, boy, thank you so much. You're welcome, man. Hey, no problem, buddy. So, God bless.

Okay, Chris. Yeah, well, keep up the good work. Bye-bye. I'm trying, man. I'm trying. Keep listening. All right.

So, there you go. We got a break coming up in a couple of minutes, but we got time to get to Chuck from Ohio. Hey, what's up, Chuck?

Hi, Mr. Slick. I'm calling because of a show I heard of yours a couple of weeks ago, where you discussed the fact that you believe that God can still speak. Yes. You mentioned being released or fired by a denomination because of your belief in the continued gift of the Spirit.

Yes. I didn't grow up in the church. I became a born-again Christian at 29.

I'll be 70 this year. On June 24th, 2008, and so I began to attend a Pentecostal church in 2016. On June 24th, 2018, I sat next to a woman that, when a stranger got up for the altar call, and this woman said, that man needs prayer. So, I went down to the altar, stood behind a stranger. I put my hands on his shoulders, and I began to pray. Well, I wasn't praying in English, and about 15 seconds into the prayer, the Holy Spirit began to coach me, and I was involved in an exorcism.

Okay? When I went to leave my church about 20, maybe 30, 35 minutes later, I saw my daughter had called me during church. My church and her church are exactly the same time. So, when I saw she had called me in the middle of church, I panicked, and I called my daughter, and said, Master, are you okay? Yeah.

Is anything bad going on? No. Well, why did you call me in the middle of church? My daughter said, I don't know, Dad.

The Holy Spirit told me to call you, so I called you. Okay. Hold on.

We got a break. Okay. I want to hear this. Okay. So, hold on.

Yes. And then we'll continue right where you left off there. Okay. So, hold on. Okay.

Thanks. Hey, folks. We'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show.

Having a good time in the text chat of Rumble, rumble.com forward slash mattslicklive. We're talking in there about movies and TV-sized screens, and I'm just telling you, mine's not big enough. And mine's 85-inch. I love movies. I love movies and relaxing and watching big-screen TV.

I like a movie screen so big, you've got to look left and right just to see what's happening. Now we're talking. All right. Let's get back on with Chuck from Ohio. Hey, Chuck. Okay. You're back on. Hi.

Hey, Mr. Slick. Okay. So, your daughter called you. Yes. Yes. Well, I'm involved in an exorcism at the church, praying for a stranger.

What does that mean? Oh, someone else was exercised. Okay.

Well, okay. So, an elderly lady that I sat next to on June 24, 2018, that's actually the only day I've ever sat next to this woman. So, when the pastor was preaching on Mark 9, I believe, or anyway, and when he did the altar call, a stranger on the other side of her, in the seat on the other side of her, next to the aisle, got up. So, she turned to me and she pointed to the stranger and she said, that man needs prayer.

That's the only reason I got up. So, I go down, stand behind him, put my hands on his shoulders. I began to pray, not in English, and about 15 to 20 seconds into the prayer, I prayed four words and the Holy Spirit whispered louder, and then I prayed those words again and the Holy Spirit basically yelled louder.

So, the third time I made a demand, now the guy that I have my hands upon starts sounding like a Jurassic movie dinosaur. He broke out soaking wet in sweat and he turned his pelvis a sheet of paper. So, now he's headed for the floor.

So, to make a long story short, you know, now he's on the floor, he's not moving, but his chest is moving, and he had a good pulse, his pulse was fine. Before I got up, I prayed for him for another minute or two, holding his left hand in my hand, and then I went off to myself and I prayed for maybe 20 more minutes at the most, and then I'm like, I guess I better head on home. Well, when I picked up my phone, I saw that my daughter had called me. Now, my daughter's in church on the other side of Dayton at the same time as me, so now I'm worried. So, I called her.

As soon as I left the church, I called her. Are you okay? Yes. Is everything okay?

Yes. Well, why did you call me in the middle of church? I don't know, Dad. The Holy Spirit told me to call you, so I called you.

Oh, okay, I'll see you later when you bring the grandsons by. So, then after that, I noticed that I had a seven-second message from my daughter's telephone number, and seven is God's number of completion, and when I listened to the message, I heard a male's voice say, a male's voice say, yeah, yeah. So, basically, Mr. Slick, the Holy Spirit told my daughter to call me, tapped into my daughter's call, and said, yeah. So, you argued that you believe that God can still speak audibly a couple weeks ago. Not only can he speak audibly, he can tell a daughter, a born-again daughter, to call her born-again father. He can tap into the call and speak, because it's on my cell phone.

The phone that I'm talking to you right now on has God's voice on the phone. I'll be 70 years old. I don't even have a social media presence.

I'll be 70 this year. Well, now... But I don't know what to do with this, so that's why, that's the only reason I called you.

No, that's okay. No, I believe in all the charismatic gifts. I believe God can certainly do things. I believe that he can put an impression on your heart, and he can cause you or put it upon your heart to pray louder and say things. I have no problem with that. The only thing I'm reticent about is a phone call with a sound on it, and that being God.

I wouldn't go that far, because there could be lots of explanations for it. Well, I would love for you to hear this. I would love for you to hear this and hear the rest of the story, because it took me four months to understand what happened that day. The next day, my pastor, two days later, I had breakfast with my pastor, and I told that to my pastor.

I've never seen that guy before. Well, my pastor told me he had come to Wednesday's evening service the previous week, and he suspected something was wrong, because he was acting extremely bizarre and looking at the pastor said he was looking at me real sinister. I said, okay, how did he meet your mother, because the lady is the pastor's mother. He said, I don't know.

So the following Sunday, I said, Sister Shirley, that man you had me pray for last Sunday, how did you meet him? He just came and he sat down next to me, where there was only one chair on the other side of her and then the aisle. Okay.

One chair. So. Well, okay. I'll email you. I got you.

I will email you, because this is. These things can happen, and God can certainly do it, and I would not say it's not possible for God to put an impression or some voice on a phone. He can do that if he wants. You know, he did that, that's the issue, and because of the nature of phone calls, it's not a good evidence for anything, but, you know, but okay, you know, and if you're praying over somebody in tongues and you believe the, you know, I think you believe, I have no problem with it actually happening, the Holy Spirit imparts upon you or desires you to speak louder, that's fine. I don't have any problem with that. Yes.

And you're right, it did cost me my pastorate when I affirmed this possibility in the PCA, Presbyterian Church in America. But that's okay. Oh, yes, I heard that, I heard that show, I was listening to that that evening. That's alright. And that, and I've been wanting to call you ever since, so when I first began to listen this evening, the call that was on your show, when I joined the show, was a man from Dayton, Ohio. Yeah.

Yeah, excuse me, sorry about that, gotta yawn, sorry, but yeah, we broadcast in Ohio and in Utah and Virginia and I think Jersey, I don't know, Georgia, I think Carolinas, so I don't know exactly, but, you know. Well everybody here is tremendously blessed by you and your work. I don't know, I hope, but I'm sure a lot of people are upset with me, you know, I get people emailing me saying that I'm wrong about this and that's fine, you know, but I say some controversial things and that's just the way it is. But I appreciate your call, brother, okay, appreciate it. Well, God bless you, I'll email you as well. Thank you.

Thanks, appreciate it. Alright, God bless. Alright, hey, let's get on with Glenn from Richmond, Virginia, Glenn, welcome, you're on the air. Yes, Matt, I'm calling your show a few times, can you hear me?

Yes. The other night, I mean, this didn't happen the other night, but the other night I was, you know, talking about some things about can God speak to you and can you hear God's voice? So what happened with me, I heard this guy just finish talking about, you know, he heard the voice, he think he heard the voice of the Spirit of God, so what happened with me was I was at home and I kind of like fell asleep and all of a sudden out of nowhere I heard a voice say Exodus Dash and I said Exodus Dash and I never heard of Exodus Dash in my life, you know, and I forgot what it was that I had, you know, what I was thinking before I went to sleep or anything like that or I can't remember anything, but only thing I could remember was Exodus Dash, so I woke up suddenly and said, and I Googled it, you know what I'm saying, I just Googled, I said Exodus Dash, but it didn't pull up Exodus Dash, but it says, why is there a dash in Exodus, that's what it said.

And I'm like, was this God speaking to me? You know, that's my question, I'm trying to figure out was that God's voice speaking to me telling me about Exodus Dash because I never ever heard anything about Exodus Dash or anything like that. Well that one, I can't answer that, don't know what it means, I mean, we can hear things particularly when you're- Yeah, I went to the scripture, it was Exodus 32, 32, and it has a dash there, and you know, this was when Moses, the children of Israel, they sinned against God by making the golden calf and Moses had said something about if he, you know, if God, he asked God to forgive him for their sins, but if he wouldn't, that he would, you know, just blot him out of the book that he wrote, just blot him out.

And God spoke to Moses and said to Moses, he said to Moses, he said, Moses, whoever sinned against me, I will blot their name out of the book of the book. Okay, and do you think this is anything significant in your life? It has to be because, you know, during the time when I was praying for God to, you know, you know, just to answer some of my prayers and I was praying to him, you know, God, you know, let me know if, you know, what's going on in my life and, you know, things of this nature and this is what it came to, you know, he said, you know, and I don't know what that significance is with the Exodus dash, but, you know, with, you know, with the dash in Exodus, but that's what I read in the scripture was 32, 32 and like I said, I never ever heard anything about Exodus dash and I never, you know, why is there a dash in Exodus? You know, and that boy spoke to me, I heard it clearly, he said Exodus dash and I woke up and I Googled it, you know. Yeah, he said, I'm not sure to tell you, you know, I'm not sure to tell you here, but, you know, it's interesting.

So what I would do is pray and see if God is going to communicate to you at all or if that was an imagination because sometimes, just I'm not saying it was, but sometimes when you fall asleep, the brain switches, the reticular activating system switches your body off in the process so you can sleep without running and, you know, jumping when you're dreaming these things and so there's a switch and sometimes people are in that in-between state and they can think things, hear things, so I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's what actually happened, but it's just something to consider, so it's something to think about. But like a clear, like, yeah, like a clear message though, like I'm saying, you know, like Exodus dash, I mean, like I said, I never ever even thought about reading Exodus dash and I never, you know, I've read it, I've read Exodus before, but I've never even noticed there was a dash in Exodus and the voice clearly said Exodus dash and that's when I woke up and I Googled it, soon as I heard it, I got, I said Exodus dash and I Googled it and that's what, you know, I remember him saying, you know, the scripture about the Moses, about Moses. Well, you know, okay, there you go, all right. I gotcha, I gotcha. All right, thanks anyway, you know, I was just going to let you think, you know, yeah. Okay, well God bless, brother, God bless. You have a blessed day.

Right. You have a blessed rest of your day. You too. All right, bye. You too, thanks. All right, you know, I kind of like it when we get these, the calls where they get stories, you know, things that they've had, that have happened, lots of things have happened. I even have a couple of stories where I swear I heard the voice of God, not that audible voice, but that powerful inner voice, you know what that is. So anyway, there you go, hey, if you want to give me a call, hit the wheel tomorrow because that's when the show will be back on again and I hope that the Lord blesses you in the meantime and by his grace be back on the air tomorrow and we'll talk to you then. So have a good evening everyone. Another program powered by the Truth Network.