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If you're interested, you can give me an email. They were they were kind of slick last night at the DNC and seeing a lot of slick talk. So Yes I'll wait till I'm done with tonight and finish up and then I'll ask more questions for you guys There's a lot of stuff going on for what I saw A lot of slick politicians out there and you know I thought with my last name which a lot of people think is a radio name. That's slick live thing It's a radio name. No, it's my real name. It's my birth name Etc slick and so I'd be perfect for politics as far as that goes But I would never make it because I could not lie ever Could not lie and so I wouldn't be a big politician would I? No, not at all no rainbow tie or color anything Yeah, thanks. My rainbow tie. Uh-huh.
No, no, and if they want to protest it say yeah protest all you want and And Homosexuality and the lgbtw woke cupid stuff is all crap close the borders Get them out of here who came in illegally get rid of them You want to come in do it with according to the law according to the system? We already have set up get rid of government as much as possible. Yeah, I'd be me Yeah, but the powers that be in the deep state wouldn't want that to happen So anyway, they have too much power money Okay, all right Well, thank you All right, then god bless buddy. All right. All right. Now, let's get over to Dave from California.
Dave. Welcome. You're on the air Oops, there's a break. Hey We got a break The breaks coming up the braces now coming up. Can you hold on we'll get right back to you after the break Sorry about that. Hey folks be right back after these messages.
Please. Give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six be right back It's Matt slick live taking a call at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six, here's Matt slick Alright when welcome back to the shoulder to Dave here back in a minute when he's activated by the producer And if you want to give me a call in the meantime, all you have to do is dial eight seven seven two zero seven two two Seven six it is easy. Let's get back on here with Dave.
All right, Dave Welcome you're back on here. Okay. Yeah, well found your things on the Political party or platform of the Antichrist be interesting However, also I've seen where Comparing Christian and Islamic eschatology Basically their hero the makdi or Mahdi. I think I'm pronouncing that right Basically has all the characteristics of the Antichrist Correct.
I was wrong. So comparing that one of the things specifically mentioned about being In being homosexual It Didn't seem to line up to me and possibly given how Islamic treatment of women that might be how that's interpreted. I just kind of was wondering your thoughts on that or if that was any different Yeah, there's lots of issues about You know the Islamic issue what they are looking for.
They are looking for, you know, the Mahdi is Is ultimately the Antichrist and that's what it certainly seems to be your observation is very good now It does appear that the Antichrist will be homosexual because he says it will he does not have any desire for women and that is Daniel 11 37 so It could be the case that if just if the Muslim Person is the Antichrist then he could hide his homosexuality or he You know and then active on it in private or something happens and it's allowed who knows And the Christian Church is becoming weaker and weaker Because that's the keeping inside it's taking its eyes more and more off of Christ and putting it onto other things and so the the fallenness and the apostasy of Roman Catholicism Eastern Orthodoxy a right in line with the idea of following the Antichrist and A lot of Protestants probably will too. So who knows where he's gonna come from but Yeah, that's that you're right. This is it's an issue. Okay Okay, and another question somewhat unrelated I was just wondering if you could review an argument Sure, I haven't had it touched on anybody but if I if you got a minute, I'd curious your thoughts, okay has to do with the design arguments and Their design arguments for the existence of God and my argument goes along the lines of assuming a complete understanding of Chemistry metallurgy Mechanical engineering and knowing exactly how rubber is made metal is made How to do a pulsary all the aspects of how say a model T is created down to the molecule So say we know all of that which science explains how things work Using that as the starting base Would it be logical to say since we know all that it means Henry Ford didn't make the model T Because we know how it was made and how it works. So therefore this guy doesn't exist He couldn't have made it because we know how it works. I was wondering if that's a good argument No, it's not.
Sorry. Just because you know how something works doesn't mean that the the one who made it didn't make it So Nikola Tesla invented radio, but not Marconi and so just because we know that he did that Okay, it doesn't mean we don't know how radio operates That seems to be the argument that atheists make is that we understand how it works and Because we know how it works. We can see that it wasn't made.
It's how they Know that's not a logical necessity to say we know how it works though. Therefore we know it wasn't made by God With the you have to get to or the underlying principles the presuppositions So think about it this way every event and every object Exists within a causal chain that precedes backwards in time Everything does no single event no single object exists independent of a context in that causal chain what is the initiator of the causal chain It's either the case that the causal chain goes back infinitely or it's not the case that it goes back infinitely If it goes back infinitely there are problems with that I could get into those And we could show why that's not possible therefore the other The only other option is that it was not the causal chain does not go back infinitely that means there's a beginning To the causal chain and the causal chain is either personal or it's impersonal if it's impersonal There's certain problems that has to have the necessary sufficient conditions and I get into that and show well that doesn't work, and then you're left with the personal thing and then from there I can show why a Unitarian idea of God is self refuting and doesn't work binitarian doesn't work and why the Trinitarian is the the least and Most efficient a number of persons by which the completeness of the nature of God Can be understood within itself and expressed within itself and then from there I would go into the issue of the one in the many Which is a philosophical conundrum for a lot of people, but is solved in the Trinitarian essence And then we get into primary secondary substances abstract entities and some other stuff that's highfalutin talk, but So there's these are the kinds of concepts people Christians need to know when they debate atheists at that level, but You have to make sure that when you make a statement That they don't have a way to argue out of the statement So you want to get them to the point where they can't argue that's what you want to do They're gonna practice that okay. It's hard sometimes though all right Okay, well that more or less covers why I was calling that Okay yeah, I've talked to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of atheists and debated them and And Atheism is very weak.
It cannot account for our existence It cannot account for any objective moral standard And it cannot account for Rationality the universality of the laws of logic and things like that so in the three major areas of Thought and categories of thought and understanding knowledge, etc Atheism cannot provide the necessary preconditions so that's something to point out and There's other areas you could talk about, but I've written a book called apologetics and atheism and you could go to go to Amazon and you can find it okay, so anyway, okay? Anyway those are my thoughts all right well good keep thinking man keep thinking keep working it out. We're gonna do All right better. Have a good one you too. God bless all right Hey, we have a few open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Brittany from Arizona Welcome you're on the air Hi Matt I have some questions about the Presbyterian Church We just started going to one and it's new to us So yeah, I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on infant baptism and child communion Okay Do you have the denomination of that particular church?
It is PCA. It's reformed nothing weird has come up Yeah, I was a PCA pastor Presbyterian Church in America pastor for a while so Presbyterians are There's the music so Well hold on we'll get back after the break. We'll talk about it.
Okay, all right Hey folks be right back after these messages, please stay tuned You know It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six here's Matt slick All right already welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Brittany from Arizona. Okay, Brittany is still there Yes all right all right, so Some of the characteristics, and I'll address your question, but if a baptism so their reform five-point Calvinist They're usually a millennial and cessationist So they did they don't they do not generally hold to the continuation of the charismatic gifts and Presbyterian means elder rule because that's where the Greek word presbuteros elder is presbuteros elder Presbyterian okay all right so They could be traditional or non-traditional in their worship and stuff now do they so by definition Presbyterians Affirm infant baptism now. I do I affirm it however It's never explicitly taught in Scripture and So because of that I don't ever Disfellowship with anyone who doesn't hold my position, and I'll explain why I hold it but And they shouldn't do the same with me and so there are lots of churches that don't see if a baptism in The New Testament because generally speaking baptism is for the believers And so therefore to baptize an infant is to mistakenly say they're believers.
That's the implication there, however Okay, a counter-argument. This is the one I hold to and whether you agree or not. That's okay We don't agree. That's fine.
It doesn't bother me. This is just why I hold to it is that the Abrahamic covenant Which is you know very old where God promised to Abraham to? To give him a blessing of the land and the Messiah to come through his lineage the sign of that covenant was Circumcision and a circumcision was for the children at the 8th day the males only for obvious reasons But not just for the biological obvious reason, but because also what's called a male headship And I won't get into that right now, but that's just part of the covenant aspect Well in Genesis 12 3 God said to Abraham in you all the nations shall be blessed and that's a prophecy of the coming Messiah And so that is a promise within the Abrahamic covenant that God made to Abraham Well Paul the Apostle quotes that verse in Galatians 12 3 he quotes it in Galatians 3 8 And says the gospel was preached before him to Abraham saying in you all the nations shall be blessed Because of that I then see the Abrahamic covenant as still being in effect this is my opinion and therefore if I'm going to see the Why infant baptism which replaces circumcision at the end of that But uh, if the children are excluded from the covenant the Abrahamic covenant that's still valid Then I need to see something in the New Testament that excludes them And so that's why I hold to that position because I don't see anything like that whole households are baptized And i'm going to conclude that within that All households all over Israel are being baptized. You can't say there weren't any infants, but then again This is a circumstantial argument not proof and this is why I say well if you don't affirm, it's okay now as far as As infant communion goes there's a problem with with that and the problem is that Let's see.
Where is it exactly said? Um Yes, so the problem is that exactly said, um Yes This is first corinthians 11 27 and 28 Whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the lord in an unworthy manner shall be guilty of the body the blood of the Lord but a man must examine himself and in so doing he is to eat the bread and drink the cup So can an infant do that? Examine him or herself In relationship to particular partaking to that and the answer as far as I know is no he cannot Therefore he's not eligible for communion, okay Okay Do you have time for another question sure do yes, I do hope that helped okay, um Yes, i'm gonna let my husband listen to this. Um Okay, uh, what do you think about we heard them some of the members talking about communion and they were speaking about it in? A way we have never heard before Um, can you tell me how they view communion and is that is that okay?
Is that biblical? Well when I was with the presbyterian seminary and And I remember in it being a little confused. I hate to say that but a little bit confused on Exactly what the position is and the reason I got a little confused is because i'm pretty Uppity when it comes to specifics.
I need to know specifics. I want to know this one of them so generally speaking And i'll compare it with catholicism in catholicism It's a heretical view that they have that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of christ That's false the lutheran view Is a one step this side of that and says that god is there somehow somewhere in the presence Inside the elements you're partaking of and you're blessed if you do that and I went to a lutheran college And so that's what I was taught there and I I didn't like that So I went to presbyterian seminary And you got to understand that the presbyterian church a good one the pca is is good But i've heard it's starting to go south a little bit But I did go to presbyterian seminary pca seminary. It was really good at the time, you know back in I graduated in 91 so There's an incredibly rich heritage among the presbyterians And a lot of people just don't know that in fact our country was founded by presbyterians The pilgrims were presbyterian calvinists who came over to create a a nation here a godly nation They risked life and limb and travel to get here and starvation and things like that Some were fleeing persecution, but not all a lot of them came here voluntarily So the presbyterian theological perspective rarely is it's just communion. Just take it Usually it gets into Means of grace, uh aspects of the procedures And understanding they get very detailed So it's a sign and a seal Of the covenant in presbyterianism the covenant of god that is provided in the body and blood of christ Just as in romans 4 11 baptism is seen as a sign and a seal a sign and a seal and so in colossians 2 11 and 12 Paul says you've been baptized for the baptism Uh, maybe the hands having been circumcised, uh of the heart, you know be circumcised It relates baptism to it i'm going to reverse So paul relates certain things with a sign and a seal I don't see that attributed biblically to communion, but I can certainly understand why Theologians would say that because it is very much a sign and a seal the covenant Of redemptive confidence that god has made through christ and now I don't have any problem with that, but what I I have a problem with is When different groups say what happens to the soul when you take this? and so If I were suddenly going to a presbyterian church again then the validity of the communion supper is not dependent on the theological precision of the minister who Who gives it or of the man at home who gives it or the mom at home who gives it? It's dependent upon the reality of what god has done So I could go to a church and take communion That i'm not a catholic one. That's just heresy that is within orthodoxy And and not worry about it.
So I could take it in a presbyterian church or baptist church or calvary chapel. No problem So now we're getting narrowing this down presbyterianism Tends to say that in the communion supper. There's an action of grace upon the soul that's Accompanied with the participation of it It is memorial and that you remember but it also is effective to the soul to accomplish various things that god wants That's the kind of language that makes me nervous, but you got to understand That that's just me And i'm not an expert in this in the presbyterian context and I graduated from seminary back in 91 So i'm, you know, it's been quite a while So if you were to talk to someone very knowledgeable about it And they were to give you the reasons and better ones that i'm giving you Then so be it then you need to make your judgments and your you and your husband based upon that But as far as I understand uh, they They teach presbyterians teach that something happens to you when you take the communion And that that's what makes me nervous And the reason it does I know i'm talking a lot here But the reason it makes me nervous is because I don't like the idea of performing a ceremony On earth that results in a spiritual effect Because to me that's sorcery and my cult Examination background of studying cults since 1980 and warring against them It triggers that uh, that that muscle, you know, like the cult there it is like a cult But they don't mean it that way. So I have a bit of a hurdle to overcome And then when I ask questions, what do you mean it happens to the soul exactly? What's the causation of it? Is god obligating himself through the communion supper to do something in the soul?
And if so, what and if he is obligating, where's he obligating himself show it to me in scripture? And these are the questions that I don't get too many answers from people on and There's a break and i'll stop talking and we get back you can you can continue. I apologize There's so much associated with this folks should be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned It's matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six, here's matt slick Wow, it's already the last segment of the hour.
Wow britney. Are you still there? Yes, okay I know I gave you a lot of stuff there. But uh one last quick.
No, it's good I'm and my husband is gonna listen to this and we'll talk about it. Um, thank you Do you have more time? Do you have time for more questions or should I call that? Well, you have to call back because we got more people waiting Uh, but I just want to say when they teach that that infants are baptized.
They don't say that they're saved They just say they're participants in the covenant and uh, okay. All right Okay. Okay. Thank you Sure. Well, you're welcome and call back. Okay. God bless.
Yes Oops, sorry about that. All right. Now, let's get to james from north carolina.
James. Welcome. You're on here Uh, thank you. I hope you had a great day. Yeah. Have a good day.
Yes, okay It I I don't know if you remember or not, but maybe A couple weeks ago. I called on asked if you had to have Ask god to come into your heart to be saved That's not what saves people Yeah, there's yeah, there's no phrase in the bible that says ask jesus into your heart. That's a false teaching It's taught all over america, but it's not it. We trust in christ and his sacrifice on the cross. We yield Our lives to him and we ask and seek the lordship of jesus christ And that we trust in that blood sacrifice to cleanse us of our sins That's what we're supposed to do. Okay so okay, so when it uh When they say that They always put their hand on their heart And it's not talking about the vital Our organs you're just talking about our brain.
Is it not? Well, the the bible speaks of the heart as that This descent the central part of our soul that the part of what makes us what we are. That's all it's doing Okay Okay, so we just believe and have faith in christ jesus and we're we are saved We are saved.
Okay, that's first, right? I remember the answer that you gave me and I put it on our family page and I challenged him and nobody because I think that kind of some of them got kind of mad at me because it's One my sister said well, it don't matter how it's worded. I said if it's not in the bible then it's not in the bible and I had some to go to uh Romans 10 9 immediately But it doesn't say that So as many as trust in him to them he gave the right to be called the children of god And that's roman, uh, that's john 112 So we trust in christ. We believe in christ. We receive christ.
These are all biblical terms And so that's what we do. He died the cross. He's god in flesh He rose from the dead and we receive that's that uh that we receive christ we receive him and so he lives in us and uh, but to ask him into our heart is Yeah, I would never say that in an evangelistic ask jesus into your heart.
What does that mean? What it should be is confess your sins before the lord Jesus christ and ask him to forgive you of all of your sins and put trust in him and him alone not in your Baptism and jesus not in your sac sacraments in jesus not in your works and jesus But just jesus by faith alone in god and flesh who died in the cross rose from the dead that Is what we need to be born again, okay? Okay, uh, that's another the next question i'd like to ask you Being born again. I talked to one of my sisters and uh, I was telling her the scriptures that you just told me and you know about john 316 and all this and uh I asked she I said you but you know, we must be born again She said now that's something i've never understand. How can you be born again? Well, it goes right on down and says What Nicodemus said what he told Nicodemus? where she says now I think how can she said how can you do that?
How can you be born twice? I said she says that we are already in heaven And we are not Until we are You know born from the womb and come on the earth She says how can you be born again? Well, yes, we I got you So did you tell her that it means that you it means to trust in christ and to receive christ as savior. That's what it means Okay Yeah, exactly and uh She said I just don't understand that and uh, she said Which and down here and uh, and she I kept on reading anyway She stopped I stopped at verse 12 in uh, john chapter 3 and she said And she said now Tell me what john 13 says 3 13 And no man has ascended up to heaven But he came down from heaven even Even the son of man, which is in heaven and she said Nobody, that's the reason she said okay. Well, hold on Yeah, do you have a question because you asked the question and you know, we got to it and Now you're seeing with this that she's arguing but i'm Do you have a specific question though?
Well uh I wouldn't know if you had a quick that that was a question How do I respond to that? I mean Just what when we were born again We are uh, I think it's uh second Corinthians 5 17 says we are a new creature in christ people So that's right Okay, so uh You did fine Yeah, you did fine. Sure. I just want to know i've been in going to church for a long time and i've learned so much In the past i'll say six or seven years that i've you know people I will preach and not Not preach it like the bible says That's true. But uh I want to call and talk just a minute and but the question was how to be born again and you answered that and she Is I think we need to understand to keep reading it Okay, that's right.
You can go to carm and you can read up read the article What does it mean for a christian to be born again and it goes in there and talks about it? Okay? All right Okay. All right. Thank you You're welcome.
Well god bless, okay All right, let's see next longest waiting person is jay from ohio jay welcome you're on the air Hey matt, thanks for taking my call sure how you doing today doing all right hanging in there More hanging and in there, but i'm hanging in there Good glad to hear it. Hey, um, so I was just curious on your thoughts of uh, The issue between the abolition of abortion and pro-life. Are you aware of like the distinctions between the two? I don't know. No, i'm not. Uh, okay.
So yeah, for sure. Um, so basically, um, I I would hold to an abolitionist position on abortion which essentially says Babies are Human from the moment of fertilization The premeditated unjustified taking of a human life is murder Therefore we should impose equal protection um and treat abortion as murder to anyone who performs an abortion basically now the pro-life And this I I know personally pro-life people who would agree wholeheartedly with that But essentially the big like pro-life organizations from the top down Would say it's referred to as the second victim narrative and they would treat a woman Who would let's say take an abortion pill to abort her own baby? She also is a victim along with the baby so typically what will happen in those instances when we would push forward a They're commonly referred to as bills of equal protection Um, so we you know, uh, a human is a human in the womb. Therefore it should have the same Protections that we do outside of the womb um, and those are almost every single time shot down not by Would you have a question? Equal, but by a pro-life.
Yeah. No, I I was that was that was it I was just wondering if you where you stood on that on that issue Yeah, it it life doesn't begin at conception. It continues a conception and the fertile is a for life egg Is a human being and it should not be killed for the convenience of of anybody the only Possibility justification of an abortion would be if you know or it's basically a fact that the mother and the child will die That's the only way I could see any justification and even then i'm hesitant but For rape for uh inconvenience for whatever, uh, that doesn't justify it Nor is it a birth defect? That doesn't justify it either and there should be criminal Charges brought against those who would uh, just go out and just kill the the human life in the womb.
Absolutely Yeah, yeah, I I agree with that Um, so that's I i'm i'm just curious about I agree with that. Um, so that's I i'm i'm just curious because this is like a common response to that are you aware of like If a woman is about to give birth to a child And the doctor is foreseeing that she May have some life-threatening, you know issue in the delivery of the baby Are you aware of a situation off the top of your head where that is the case? Is no i'm not i'm not a doctor.
Okay Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think Yeah, yeah and this even my condition there's a it's a very uh, it's it's very very very very uncommon i've heard Doctors say there are conditions in which it can occur but it's exceedingly rare That's just it right? So, uh, that's the only way I could see That if you know both will die If that's the case But back to what I can find And my wife and I we discussed the issue if someone and i'm careful because it might be children I shouldn't have said the word our word, but if she was uh, Attacked and became pregnant Uh that child would be our child We've already discussed that that's just how it is. It's not the child's fault And uh, i'd raise that child as my child without any distinguishing Uh, just between my biological children and the and uh, that child i've already decided that plus um Plus, uh, you know, we discussed the issue of of what happens if a child that we have has a birth defect And lo and behold that's exactly what did happen And uh, jacob our son had holoprosencephaly and he uh Died in our arms after being born and they said you're bored. I'm so sorry to hear that But yeah, it was horrible And one of the best things i've ever heard my wife ever say um I still remember it where she was sitting to my right and we're in the room when she's pregnant and that lady the nurse said Told us what it was.
We're just sitting there sober minded sober Just like what? Hearing all this stuff and you know that her child is this and that in the womb. I mean, you know, it's just it's just it's horrible and Uh, then the lady said and if you want you can opt for abortion and my wife immediately Said don't ever bring that up.
That's never going to happen. It's not an option I was so proud of her. Praise god.
Oh, yeah, that's amazing. Good woman except for my man. She's great Well, I think she's got pretty good taste, um, if I I know where I know we got like Uh, I know we got like a minute left I just wanted to if I could just Come at you a little bit here. Um, so when if if there is a foreseeable situation which again this entirely relies on Um, the doctor's opinion at this point If the mother is going to have a risk to her life and the baby will have a risk to her life Um, either way that baby must come out of the womb.
Okay, so she still has to deliver the child either way So risk doesn't justify it. We got to go. There's the music. Sorry. We're just out of time call back tomorrow Let's finish this.
Okay, because we're out of time. Yeah. All right, buddy. Thank you, sir.
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