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Condolences go out to the family. One of the things I was thinking about was, is she saved? I don't know.
I'm not saying she is or isn't. I don't know what their situation is. Imagine being royalty and then you die and you go to hell.
If you've trusted in Christ, you go be with him. It's just a concern. I know that the world's going to be offering the condolences and stuff. Death grabs us all, doesn't it? That shadow of the end of our life keeps increasing as the life light that we have darkens and descends on the horizon.
That's what it is. We're all going to die one day. What's going to happen to you when you die? Where are you going when you die? We're going to die. What happens to you? Do you go be with the Lord?
What happens? Have you ever thought about that? Ever really wondered about it? Are you going to be with him? Are you going to be someplace else?
I don't know. Nevertheless, something to think about when I give you a call, we can talk about it. 877-207-2276.
Looks like I didn't put the Facebook thing up. I think I can do that anyway here in a second. Let's jump on the line and get to Rudolph from North Carolina. Rudolph, welcome.
You are on the air. Yes, sir. Was the Queen of England a Roman Catholic? I believe she was from the Church of England. That's what I understand. I don't know how good it is or bad it was or anything.
I just haven't studied it. But I would assume, since it's a national kind of a church, I would assume it's probably apostate. That's what I would assume. Okay. All right. Thank you.
I was trying to find out today, but I couldn't find any information about what it was. Okay, well, I'll try to find out. Okay. Sounds good, man. All right. You, too. All right.
That was Rudolph from North Carolina. Do you want to give me a call? Oh, we just lost another guy, too. Now we're back to 5 Open Launch. Hopefully, we didn't lose connection because we've been having internet connections problems. And what I'm going to do right now is check, make sure that's working. So, I don't know.
Dwayne, can you hear me? Just going to type yes or no in there. Make sure because this is kind of what happened before when things went bad. Okay.
5 Open Lines, 8772072276. You know, so I almost bit it once in 1976, had an experience, a car accident where I almost died. And just a few days ago, one of my daughters almost died. She was out rafting and got thrown from the raft and was, by the weird circumstance of how the water was and the raft behind her, came up over her and the water was swirling. She could not get out from underneath it. They said she was in there about 30, 40 seconds and she had not taken a breath. And she said she thought she was going to die at one point. So, we talked about it. She, of course, made it.
She just, with all her strength, pushed with her feet and legs and did what she had to do and was able to surface. And so, you know, I'm just saying things happen quickly. They happen suddenly, unexpectedly. And a lot of times what we do is we just assume that things are going to continue and that we'll be fine. But that's not the case. We are going to either suddenly die brain aneurysm or heart attack or just old age.
But it's going to happen. I hope that you are prepared. I hope that you have made your peace with the Lord Jesus Christ. That you've trusted in him and that you have given yourself to him in the trust of his redemptive work on the cross. Because it's only through him, not through Mohammed, not through Joseph Smith or Charles Taze Russell or the Pope or anybody else, but only through Jesus Christ. The real Jesus, can you be saved? The one who is God in flesh.
Not one of many gods, not the brother of the devil, not just some prophet, but the true and loving Christ. You need to put your trust in him. You really do. All right.
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Welcome. You're on the air. Hello?
Hello? Yes. There you are.
Do I need to turn my radio down? Well, probably because we'll have the feedback. So yeah.
Okay. I was calling because I was just listening to your thing about Queen Elizabeth's passing and all that stuff. And it made me wonder, when it comes to people's funerals, why is it that people always just go back to their resting in peace and their would Jesus now and all that kind of stuff, even if they weren't a believer?
Is that just based off of our standard spiritual blindness with our Adamic nature and you just don't want to believe that your family is really burning in hell or friends or whoever the case may be? Can you explain that to me a little bit? You just did.
You got it. I think that's what it is. People don't know. They're ashamed. They're afraid.
They want to say good things. And a funeral is a very difficult thing to do. I've done funerals. And I've done funerals of my wife's father, who was an unbeliever, who rejected Christ. One of her brothers who claimed to be a Christian, but didn't walk it. And then one of a niece, of all things. And our niece burned herself to death in a public bathroom. And in her diary, she talked about her hatred for Christ. And so before the father died later from something else, he asked me to do the funeral, knowing what I do. And I knew she was an unbeliever who rejected, absolutely rejected Christ.
And she killed herself in a horrendous way. And so all of her friends were gathered there, and a couple hundred people in a church, and I'm doing the service. And what am I going to say? Because they know she hated Christ.
She wanted nothing to do with them. And there I am as a minister of the gospel, and I'm going to tell the truth. But what I did was I didn't say, she's in hell. I said, all who die without Christ are lost. And you need Christ. And I know there are people who don't believe that, but it's true.
He rose from the dead. And I looked out in the crowd and there were people. If their eyes were spears, I'd have been stabbed. But the truth is that most people, they want to compromise because of emotions. They don't want to be ridiculed. They don't want to be hated. They don't want to be embarrassed. They're not sure. And so they'll compromise in the presentation of what needs to be presented at a funeral. And we have to do it carefully, with respect, yet with the truth there. And so we risk a little bit of that when we do that. So nevertheless, most people don't want to risk.
And so they, oh, we're just in a better place. Maybe not. Maybe not. That person who's rejected Christ, people need to hear.
Without Christ, you're lost. And that's what I was thinking. When people, if somebody's family or friend whomever passed and they went to hell, it doesn't do them any good, the ones that are still alive, for them to keep saying, oh, they're resting in peace. And it's like, no, they're burning.
You need to save yourself while you still have a chance and get out of La La Land. You know what I mean? That's right. And I don't really understand because there's a lot of people that, it takes a lot to follow Jesus. People, it's constantly dumbed down at funerals to make it seem like filing prices to cakewalk. It's like, if it were that easy, people, everybody would just be following him. But there's no need to dumb down anything. Like, it takes a lot to walk in love with by faith or somebody where in your flesh you don't even like them, but still have to love them from your heart.
All that type of stuff. And I just don't understand how it's so easy for it to just be the minute. Well, I get it now because I'm speaking about it out loud. Like, I get it spiritually, but mentally I used to just kind of be boggled by that and kind of, you know, my mind would just be baffled. Where it's just like, here you don't want to be bothered with Jesus, God, nope, Trinity, nobody, all the days of your life while you're walking around, but you really expect for somebody that is taken to the painstaking walk of bearing fruit, you expect them to just believe that you went to heaven. And if somebody hears it and it falls in the wrong ears, and they're kind of, oh, who are you to judge?
Just like, how is anything supposed to get done if you are always persecuted for saying anything remotely close out of what the Bible says? Right. That's right.
You're doing pretty well there. That's right. Well, yeah. Okay, well, I'm glad I have a confirmation from you because I feel like I'm always fighting fires. It's very few people that are believers in my family, which I guess a lot of people can say that about their own family.
Yeah. I've got unbelievers in my family, my wife and I pray for them nightly. That's all we can do. We love them, we've taught them, and we have family members and extended family members who are not believers, so that's what it is.
The world is a seductive place, and people want to put themselves first instead of others, and so that's why they serve themselves and false gods, because it serves them. All right? Right. Well, thank you so much for confirmation of my thoughts, and you have a blessed night.
All right. Well, God bless. Well, that was Jasmine from North Carolina. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Janet from Raleigh, North Carolina. Janet, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you very much, Matt.
I just have a quick question. My dad used to say to me all the time when I was growing up that the Lord gives us dying grace, and I don't know if that's scripture or if that's true or what's your take on that? Dying grace.
I've not heard that term, but I have heard of many people who have died in the faith who have been very peaceful at their death, at their time of dying. And I've met two women coming to mind when I went in to see them when I was a minister and the other wasn't, and a great peace. Hey, folks, we have three open lines. 877-207-2276. We're right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. We have three open lines. Why don't you give me a call? 877-207-2276. Janet.
I guess we lost Janet. That's okay. Let's see. I'm trying to remember. Maybe someone could help me out here. Voltaire. Was it Voltaire?
I'm trying to remember his name. He made the claim that 100 years after his death, Christianity would be extinct. 100 years after his death, they were printing Bibles literally in his house. The Christian nurse was at his bedside. He hated Christianity, and he denied Christ. She was witnessing to him on his deathbed, and she said she would never again, ever again, tend to an unbeliever on the deathbed. The reason was because for hours, I think it was, or for a couple, three days or something like that, he kept screaming out about the fire, and he was seeing fire. He says, they're coming for me, and she knew what it was, and she was preaching the gospel to him, and he continued to reject it until finally he died. But he kept screaming about the fire, and he'd pass out. He was in his dying throes. A friend of mine, when I was in San Diego, worked at a clinic for dialysis, and he was talking to me about the death of a woman in the chair.
Sometimes it happens, because dialysis is often done for people who are in pretty bad shape. He said that she was in the chair, and across ten feet away, there was a wall in a building, and she kept saying there was a fire on the wall. They checked the fire, and she said, no, I see it. She looked behind the wall in the room adjacent and all that kind of stuff, and I interrupted him, and I said, she died, didn't she? He goes, yeah, she died soon after.
I said, yeah, she was seeing what was coming. These are anecdotes. These are stories. I remember reading a story about a woman who was in a car accident, and her car plunged into a body of water, like a pond, or it was like a small lake or something, and real close to the road, and it was upside down or whatever it was. She was not able to get out, and she died. Now, there were people diving into the water and pulling the doors open and reaching for her, and they finally got her out and revived her. But she said, oh man, what she said she saw, she said there were these creatures, and they were coming for her, and they were ugly and dangerous and demonic. She said she was absolutely terrified, and they were coming for her, and they were trying to drag her down, and she was screaming, no, no. And these people, they rescued her, and she came back.
She described what she saw, and she says, no, no, no, she's a Christian. One more story. There was a man, I read this story, I don't know, 40 years ago or so, and he was a biker, a bad guy, a bad kind of biker. You know, he was just a biker dude. And he was driving along a distant road at night, and he was driving along, and he felt a trick in the back of his neck. And what had happened was somebody had shot him. They had passed him on the road, and somebody just on a whim turned around and just shot at him out of a passing car and hit him in the back of the neck, just right where the base of the skull is. And he just went off the side of the road, crashed. Now, a trucker thought he saw in the rearview mirror this light going off onto the side and wasn't sure about it. And just a short time later, he got to town and he stopped the cop and said, hey, I think, you know, you can go back out there and check. So they did. They found him.
I don't know if they life flighted him or ambulanced him in and et cetera and brought him back. And he described what happened to him. And he said he woke up in a green field, a blue sky. The temperature was perfect. The air was clean, and he could see great distances with such clarity. And he could look at the grass under his feet, and it was just so crystal clear, the blades of grass. He said it was wonderful. And off in the distance, a figure started to approach, and he was, who is this?
What's going on? And I don't know if he remembered. I don't remember if he said he knew he was dead at this point or what.
Probably was aware of it, as many people are. And this figure was walking towards him at a great distance, but moving at a great speed. And he said the closer this figure got, the worst he felt. And the figure, he said, was Jesus. And the closer he got, the more the holiness of Christ was emanating. And that's why he was feeling bad, because it was exposing his own sin and his own rebellion and his own lack of forgiveness, lack of holiness, lack of redemption.
And he said it was overpowering. And he dropped to his knees, because that's all he could do in the presence of Christ who approached him. And he was there in his presence, he said. And Christ just said, come with me. But he said it wasn't with words. He just knew. So he started following him. He was keeping his head down and would not look up.
He could not, he said. And they went and, oh, that's right, there was beautiful music in the air. I remember that. Beautiful music.
He said it was incredible. And they're going along this field until the field started going down. And they started going down. And they moved and further down they went.
The darker the terrain became and the more faint the music was. And then it started to smell. And then he realized he's being taken to hell. And he went down but he could not stop walking. He was obeying. And he kept approaching behind Christ as they went down to this place. And he said he looked. And he looked out and he saw people in a body of fire.
And different degrees of decay. And they were crying out in agony to him. And he said the fear upon him was maximal. He could not be any more fearful.
He was absolutely terrified. And he put his face into the muck of where he was near Christ. And he was screaming and begging not to be thrown in there. And then Christ said come with me. And they ascended back up to the hill.
And they went up into the green area again. And the man could not believe. Could not believe that he wasn't in the hell where he deserved. And Christ said it's not your time yet. And he woke up in ICU or an emergency wherever it was.
As a quadriplegic. And he was writing this, of course not by his own hand. And he said he's the happiest man in the world. Because now when he dies, he knows where he's not going. He's trusted in Christ. And he says it's all worth it.
So praise Jesus and his mercy. We'll be right back folks after these messages. 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live.
Taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody welcome back to the show. Let's get to Mark from Louisville, North Carolina. Mark, welcome. You're on the air. Thank you, Matt. It's good to talk to you again.
Thank you for fighting for the kingdom. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Go ahead. Okay. There was a young man called you last night and asked you about when was Satan cast out of heaven. And you answered him correctly.
I don't think anybody could truly answer that. But I have some scriptures, about five scriptures. If you would permit, if he's listening again tonight, maybe it will help him. Would you mind if I read just about five of them? Well, let's do one at a time.
Let's check them out. Go ahead. Okay. Sure. Isaiah 14 verses 12 and 19. We went over those yesterday.
Okay. And Ezekiel 28, 13 and 16. Yep.
What he looks like. Yep. And John in the New Testament, John 12, 31. Jesus said the prince of this world is cast out. That's saying the same thing as Revelation 12, 9 and Revelation 23. It's the binding of Satan. Would you agree with that?
It says will be cast out. And so that's a little bit there. But yeah, it's theologically interesting. Yeah.
Go ahead. Yeah. Well, that's just what I was wanting to say. You know, a lot of people don't understand that the binding of Satan happened at the cross. Maybe not cast out, you know, out of heaven. Where was he cast out from, you know? So I think that's the binding of Satan when he was cast out.
I'm just curious what your thoughts are on that. Well, I wouldn't go that the binding is when he was cast out because binding and cast out are different terms and used in different contexts. And so the rule of this world will be cast out. So there are discussions about this, that he was cast out of heaven. And it looks like he was cast out and was on the earth. The rule of this world will be cast out. And so to what extent, well, when is this?
Man, this is not an easy one to get to. Is it being cast out in the sense as you were relating to being bound? Bound doesn't mean he's not there.
So that's an issue. But is it eschatological in that he will be cast out in outer darkness? But it says the ruler of this world will be cast out. Does it mean out of this world or will be cast out in the outer darkness lifted later on? So it's not very specific. And so that's why I can't give you a specific answer.
Okay. Yeah, my thing, I think this ties into what Jesus was talking about, when he says that when a stronger man enters into the man's house, he must bind him first. Is that talking about Jesus not being Satan? Yeah, Jesus bound Satan in Matthew 12, 22 through 32. It says that in order to cast out demons, you must first bound the strong man. And he says if Satan casts out Satan, etc. So he's talking about that. So Satan was bound. I mean, a lot of people ignore that. But that's what Jesus says in Matthew 12, 22 through 32. So he was bound. Now, the question here would be, chronologically, in Matthew 12 versus John 12, which one is first?
That would be interesting to see. Because if John 12 is after the binding of Satan, then that would lend itself to one theological perspective. And it was after, or it was an alternate chronology that might lend itself to another discussion.
Tough stuff. Now, when I use the King James Version, John 12, 31, now I'm reading from the English Version. Now is the judgment of this world. Now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
I would think it the same timing. Basically, I use the cross. The cross is when he was bound. And he came dead. Yeah, it says now the rule of this world will be cast out.
It's the future passive. So, you know, yeah. I'm not sure what to tell you. Okay, it's a tough one. Love your show. Love your show, brother. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. All right, well, God bless. See you next time.
All right. We have for open lines 8772072276. Let's get to Randall from West Virginia. Randall, welcome. You're on the air.
Hey, Matt, I hope I have a good connection. Does that sound all right? Yeah, you sound okay. Sure. So what do you got, man? Okay. I was just calling in.
You said to call in and share my NDE with you. I was like in my 20s and I was electrocuted and basically died. They took me to the hospital and they didn't think that I would live, but I lived. It blowed a hole in my foot and I still have damage in my nerves and my legs and stuff. But when I was electrocuted, I was actually in looking through a tunnel. I could see the tunnel and I could look down and I could see my body on the ground. But I was at peace.
I was happy. But God, I didn't say God. All I said was Lord. I didn't say Jesus or God or anything. I just said, Lord, He gave me a choice.
In the way I was raised and what I read, I never thought we ever would have a choice, but I did not want to come back. But I was thinking of all the people that would be crying and my family and friends and everything, and all I could answer was Lord. And when I said Lord, I woke up on the ground. Now that experience was more real to me than anything I've ever experienced in my whole life. And when I come back, I felt like my life that I'm living now is like a dream compared to what I was experiencing and it was so real. There was people in the church that actually refuted what I experienced.
They said, no, that didn't happen, that that was this or that. But man, it was real. I mean, it changed my life completely. I mean, I was a Christian, but it changed my life to where I really took things a whole lot more serious after that. You wanted me to share that with you. There's a lot more to it, but I don't want to hold up everything.
That's all right. Let me read some scripture and I'm going to ask you a little something here. This is 2 Corinthians 12, verses 3 and 4 also. In 2 Corinthians 12, I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago, whether in the body I do not know or out of the body I do not know, God knows such a man was caught up to the third heaven. And I know how such a man, whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, God knows, was caught up into paradise and heard inexpressible words which a man is not permitted to speak. And so that, right there in 2 Corinthians 12, 2 through 4, is an instance in scripture, some people think it's Paul, when he went stoned, it's just a conjecture, who was out of the body, who was physically dead.
It's an NDE. I have no problem with saying that right there. And if people just tell you, oh, it didn't happen, well, they don't know your experience. So, you know, I don't have any reason to doubt you. You're good at insulting me in the chat room. We've got some good put-downs, some good jokes in there like those. So I know you've got a good head on your shoulders. So it's good stuff.
You know, one of the few guys makes you laugh, like, yeah, that's a good one. So, you know, and you've been there faithfully. I have no doubt that you're telling me the truth. And so, you know, so what was the presence of the Lord like? Well, as far as being in the presence of the Lord, it wasn't that I was in his presence, like you would say, you know, you're in the presence of the Lord. But I just, I felt like that I knew that I was in the presence of the Almighty. And I felt there was so much authority and so much, I can't describe it.
But it's just really hard to describe. I just felt his power and his omniscience and all of that. And at the same time, I was a Christian and I knew that I was okay. But I still, when I experienced this, I felt so little. I don't know how to describe it, I felt so little. But compared to this, my whole life I felt like I am nothing after that. I am nothing. I am undone. It just shocked me into reality.
And to realize that God is real. I haven't doubted since. I mean, there was, you know, there were little bouts that come here and there. Well, hey brother, we had a break, so can you hold on?
Can you hold on? Okay. All right, sorry about that. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages.
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Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show. Hey, Randall, you still there? Yeah, I'm still here, man. All right, man.
Sorry about that. It was a break. So you were saying that, wow, how it changed your life. Well, oh, it was, it was an experience. You know, like I said, I was already a Christian, but it was, it just, my life from then on out, you know, the devil a lot of times will make us doubt. There'll be little things of doubt that will come into Christians' lives that say, you know, is this really real, and this and that. But after that point in my life, I, anytime anything like that would come up, I would go back to that point. It actually bolstered my Christian life, and it helped me to witness to other people, you know, not about this, a lot of people don't believe this, but it did happen. But, you know, I really earnestly began studying the Bible after that and trying to get into His Word.
I was raised Arminian, but studying His Word, I realized that that was wrong, and I talked to my dad for years after that, and finally, before he died, he realized that you can't lose your salvation. And he had preached all his life, and he said, you know, I've always preached against that, and now I'm one of them. You know, God enabled me to witness that to him.
He was there. You know, my family was around, they knew that this happened to me. And I think that that was, God used that as a catapult to help me witness to so many people. It still, you know, I can't explain the theology of it, like, you know, God's saying, you have a choice, because I never thought you would have a choice, but He did offer me a choice. And the crux of the whole thing is I didn't say God or Jehovah or anything, I said Lord. And when I come to, I felt like that, you know, when you're prostrate before God, and you know, I know that I'm nothing, and God is everything. And I carried that with me through my life, and it was, a lot of it was that NDE experience. And it's, you know.
Yeah, I hear you. Well, I'm glad that, I'm glad you did have it, and that you're here, and you're able to use it to witness. So, you know, praise God.
All right, so praise God. Yeah, I was able, I couldn't work for three years after that. Yeah, that's often the case, people like that. And I got back, then I got back into the workforce, and then finally, just a few years ago, I was disabled, disability social security. And the social security judge said, why didn't you apply at that time? I said, because I was young, I wanted to work.
And, but it seemed like that as I got older, these problems got worse. But still, God's got me where he wants me. He's got me where he wants me, you know. That's right, he does.
In my life, I believe. Okay. Well, appreciate it, Randall, I do. And, you know, praise God.
And keep witnessing for him, all right? All right, brother. Oh, I do, I do. All right. Thank you, Matt. All right, Randall, God bless. Thanks. Okay.
All right, let's see. Let's get to Dave from Kansas City. Dave, welcome. You're on the air.
How are you doing, Matt? I have a question, and it sounds like, thank you, it sounds like a theological splitting hairs, but it does have some practical aspect. That the nature of man, whether he's a dichotomous being or a trichotomous being.
And, you know, I know in the long run, the more I know, the less I know, because the more I studied on it, the less dogmatic I am on that. But I know you believe in dichotomy. I'm a Trinitarian at the end, I believe in trichotomy, but it does have some practical aspects. I wish you could expand on that a little bit and explain your position. Well, I just lean, I say to people, I lean towards dichotomy, but I wouldn't die in that because it's cool to say trichotomy represents the Trinity. But, you know, the issue for me is in scripture, I kind of see how spirit and soul are used interchangeably, and it's improved dichotomy because it could still mean trichotomy. And so I just say, you know, both are within orthodoxy.
I just lean towards die. And if people don't agree, whatever, that's okay. Okay.
Okay. So when I was in a men's halfway house, nice to draw it on a board. I used to put, you know, the three parts, the three circles, and then I would also erase some of the circles and say, okay, between the spirit and the soul, that could be a dotted line. So you can either go one way or the other, because practically it doesn't matter. Right. Some say, you know, the soul is in the form of spirit, and then there's a physical body. So they could be separated or not separated, depending on how you define things. So the Bible doesn't really tell us for sure. People fall on both sides of the fence. Okay.
We'll find out later. You know, no big deal. Yeah. Well, the practical part of it was when I was ministering at a men's halfway house for the addicts and things like that, we tried to tell them that your flesh is not going to be redeemed. Paul said, I need to buffet my flesh and bring it into submission. Actually, actually the flesh is redeemed.
In the resurrection, we have glorified bodies. Yeah, we're not there yet. Right. It will be in the future, but for now the souls are redeemed. Right. Right.
That's what I was saying. So Paul said, I buffet my body to bring it into submission. And my position was the spirit inside of you became born again. You became like a gyroscope almost in a submarine.
You kept pointing that the Holy Spirit came to dwell in your dead spirit, and now you were the Holy Spirit dwelled in you. You were like a gyroscope, always pointed upward. So the battle, your flesh is always pointed to whatever it seeks.
A heat-seeking missile to lust the eyes of the flesh, the pride of life. And then you had, the battle was in your mind. So you see the practical of that. Yeah, I can see how illustrations can be used that way. Well, I appreciate it, man. Okay. All right, thanks. All right. Okay, God bless. All right, let's get to Elijah from Pennsylvania.
Elijah, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, man, how you doing today? Doing all right. Hanging in there, man.
What do you got, buddy? Yeah, I was listening to what you said earlier, because I had tuned in a little late today. I had tuned in like maybe 20 minutes after you went live, and I heard you talking about different experiences, you know, people have had, you know, with near-death experiences on this. So I wanted to ask you, have you ever heard of a guy named Bill Wiefe? No.
No. Yeah, he's a Christian minister, and I heard his testimony a few years ago, and his experience, he claims that back in the 90s, he was lifted out of his body and basically thrown into hell, and he said that the Lord allowed him to experience what hell was like, and basically to warrant people about how even if they don't believe it or not, and he basically said that he was in this prison cell with a human stone, you know, all that stuff, and he said there were demons in the cell with him, and they were blaspheming God, you know, they had so much hatred towards God, and they began, you know, torturing him and all that stuff. And it's like you said earlier, but the woman that said that she saw these hideous creatures trying to come for her at her car accident, and, you know, Bill Wiefe described these hideous creatures that were, you know, storming in hell.
And lots of people do. Yeah. Yeah. And those stories are similar all over the world, there are creatures, some say, some don't, but some say, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So about the prison cell part, though, I know in Scripture, it says that, you know, Jesus says, you know, they will receive the greater damnation, which means that, you know, there are different levels for me, but my pastor a few years ago, when he was preaching, he was preaching about hell, and then, you know, out of nowhere, he said, you're going to be locked up in a prison cell. And after the service was over, I had walked up to him, and I had asked him about what he said. He said God gave him a vision about hell, and he saw that there were prison cells in hell. And so I had asked him, have you ever heard of a man named Bill Wiefe, who gave this testimony about him, about what he saw, and he said, no, who's that? I said, well, he's a minister who claims that God took him to hell, and that he saw prison cells down there as well.
He was like, wow, wow, really? I never heard of that guy. So, you know, I thought that was, you know, really, really interesting that my pastor never heard of this guy. He had, you know, the same vision of prison cells in hell. Well, I don't know if it's true or not that there's prison cells, because I use the scripture as a final authority.
It's because someone has an experience, and two people have an experience doesn't mean it's true, but still, it's interesting information to look at, but we always have to make sure, look to scripture as a final authority, and it'll tell us. All right? All right. All right. Good stuff, buddy. Hey, thanks for calling.
Let me know. Appreciate that. It's no problem. All right. God bless. All right. Let's get to Hattie from Charlotte, North Carolina. Hattie, welcome.
You are on the air. Yes. How you doing? All right.
So what do you got? I'm hearing two voices. That's all right.
How you doing? Hope they're both not in your head, but okay, go ahead. I need to know about the Mormons. They knocked on my door, and they want to have a Bible study, and I don't want to... I'm hearing you on my phone, and then I hear the radio, so... Yeah. Let me tell you what Mormonism teaches, all right, because we have one minute, all right?
Let me turn my radio down, because I'm hearing two of you. All right. Well, we only have one minute, so let me tell you what they teach, because Mormonism is not Christian. It's a non-Christian cult, all right? So it teaches that God used to be a man on another planet near a star called Kolob, and he kept the laws of that God on that planet, and he became a god, and he brought one of his wives to this world, and they have bodies of flesh and bones, and they have spirit offspring in heaven, and there was a battle, or a disagreement, let's just say, in the pre-existence about who would be saved and how would be saved, and there, let's just say, I don't have much time to go into it, and so once you become a good Mormon, once you become a good Mormon, you have to get a 10% tithe of your income to the church, you get a temple recommend, you get your temple garments, you go to the temple, you learn handshakes, you learn hugs, so the whole process, you can try and become a god of your own planet again. No, I'm not doing that.
I'm not doing that for you. It's just that they wanted to come in and have a Bible study with me, and I just had to make... No! It's a cult! It's a non-Christian.
Yeah, but I did not, you know, there's even cults, and I wonder if they claim, well, we believe in Jesus Christ. No, they don't. No, they don't.
No, they don't. Wait, look, we're out of time. Sorry. We'll come back tomorrow, okay? Come back tomorrow. We'll talk about it, okay? All right. Hey, folks, there we are. We're out of time. May the Lord bless you, and by His grace, we'll be back on here tomorrow, and we'll talk to you then. We'll see you. God bless you. We'll be back tomorrow, and we'll talk about it, and by His grace, we'll be back on here.
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