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Travis, welcome. You're on the air. How are we doing, Matt? I'm doing all right. Hang it in there, man.
What do you got? Dude, did my letter make it to you? Your what? My letter to the guy calling from prison. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh.
My wife said, hey, look, we got two letters from a prison. So, I have to get to them. In fact, hold on a sec. There it is.
Hey, Travis. Got it in my hand right now. Okay. Okay. All right.
I'm going to check them out. I was reading a little thing called the pocket dictionary of theological terms. And I came across something that they didn't give too much information about. It gave a basic definition. I was wondering if you could expand a little bit for me on superlapsarianism and infra-lapsarianism and which one you hold to. Superlapsarianism and infra-lapsarianism generally are within the Reformed camp, theologically. It deals with what's called the order of God's decrees, the order of his decisions. It's logical decisions versus temporal. So, supra means before, infra means in, or I should say after. Okay.
So, infra-lapsarianism and superlapsarianism. All right. Does God elect people? Does he do that by looking, by deciding before the world exists, before the consideration of the world and all the people in it and chooses whom he's going to elect? Or does he look into the world and picks those within the world for whatever reasons he has? Those are the difference.
So, how does that work, right? And I don't really hold either one because I think that all of God's knowledge is eternally the same and that I see truth in both of them. Let's put it that way.
Because he would know all that he would create and who he'd create and it's also concomitant with his infinite knowledge and decrees. And so, therefore, in that, the election is simultaneously known before, in, through, fall, after everything. So, I don't see how supra or infra solves some issues. Okay.
That's just me. Okay. All right. All right. Well, I greatly appreciate it and I hope everything is going good with you.
Thank you for the prayers and I look forward to hearing back from you and I will talk to you in the next week or so. All right, man. God bless, buddy. God bless. God bless.
All right. I like it when, I do, I actually like it when guys in prison are listening and when they call and they write. I mean, I don't have a whole bunch of time to answer a lot of letters, but I did nine years of prison ministry in California, up and down California, all kinds of places, just for nine years. Taught Bible studies, just did all kinds.
And then I did some stuff here in the Idaho area and I was there for a year or two, where I'd go in once a week and hold a study and preach or teach, do a Q&A and things like that. And I've always felt comfortable with the guys in there. I've never felt threatened.
No, just once. Once I felt threatened by a guy, but that, you know, just once in nine years. But I've always felt comfortable with them, even when I'm under the gun, that's a phrase they know.
And so, you know, out in the yard, the whole bit, it's not ever been a problem. And so praise God. In fact, in fact, I actually learned to, in my opinion, be a better preacher in prison, going to prison ministry, because these guys, it's really interesting, the guys, I like it that they say what they think. I love that. And they would come up and they'd say, I really like what you said about whatever, or this or that, or what about this thing, are you sure about this? They were really listening and I loved that. And they accidentally called me to be a better preacher and a better teacher. And I was always thankful for that.
So anyway, there you go. Hey, look, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 8772072276. Let's get to Alan from Virginia. Alan, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, how's it going? It's going, man.
I'm hanging in there. What do you got, buddy? I want to ask a question. Do you do any one-on-one private sessions for learning?
No. When I do, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it so that a lot of people can hear. And the only one-on-one I do is one-on-two, and that's in marriage counseling. That's the only time I really do the one-on-one, unless I happen to just be talking to somebody, you know, and they go, let me explain this or that, that kind of a thing. Do you have any study groups that you work with? I teach a Bible study the third Thursday here at the house. People come over. We don't put it online, you know, because it's just an impromptu discussion. And then I go online, for example, I'm on Clubhouse right now, and there's a lot of, let's just say, antagonistic people who hate Reformed theology. And then there's a lot of Muslims, there's a lot of Catholics and stuff like that.
So it's kind of a Wild West situation. But I go in there and I handle it. And then I go to Discord, and Discord, I was on last night for a couple of hours, debating teaching and things like that, and, you know, rooms 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 people will come in, things like that, and have discussions. I was near Discord for a while, but not too much was happening.
I actually was in the same channel as you once, but I think you were busy doing something. Yeah, I try not to do an absolute regular thing, because my life is a little chaotic sometimes. I've got a wife with health problems, and sometimes I'm just exhausted, and I don't go online. So I had to have a mental acuity level that has to be ready, because it takes a lot of mental energy and work to answer questions, because when someone asks me a question, you know, it's two plus two, it's four, done, next. When they ask me a question, what's the relationship between, there's like four or five layers of information that I have to sift through in my mind, and then how do I deliver it in a particular order? And so it takes a lot of mental work. So sometimes I'm just too tired, you know?
Yeah, I feel you. Was it something in Romans that was on Rumble that I thought was a mistake? Yeah, I taught through the Book of Romans for about a year. That's on Rumble, and I've taught through other books as well.
When I do it at the house here, it takes me a lot of work to prep, usually an entire day. And what I'll do is when I teach, at least in the house, is I will work up an outline on paper with each verse and the comments in that verse, and then I have to put it in Word, I print that up, but I also have to convert it to an online study so anybody online can watch. And really, just to be straight, not a lot of people would watch, and not a lot of people were attending here, you know, five, six, seven, eight, nine. And so this went on for about a year, and you know, that's fine.
But after a while, I go, you know, I'd rather do something where more people can be influenced, because that's what I want to do, is teach more and more people. Okay. Makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Well, I appreciate it, Matt.
So what do you want to learn? Right now, I initiated a conversation. I was on Discord, and someone made a meme about US soldiers fighting a giant Afghanistan, and someone mentioned it, and I was like, hey, it's the Nephilim, or whatever. And then I commented a little bit about that, and then someone said that it's a non-canonical story, because it's from the book of Enoch or whatever. And then he got into the conversation where someone was fighting sorcery, and then someone said they were Eastern Orthodox, and I made the comment that I don't believe Eastern Orthodox follows all of scripture. Good.
And then so I'm kind of getting into that, as I wanted to study some Eastern Orthodox right now, and I've looked at some of your resources, I'm on a third debate you did with some people right now, listening to it. Okay. What church do you go to?
I do not go to a church at this moment, but I am wanting to find one again. Okay. Because, let me ask you, do you know, we have nobody waiting, and we've got a break coming up, so do you know that Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy each preach a false gospel? Do you know that? I believe it.
Good, good, good, good. And you affirm the Trinity, right? Yes. Okay. And do you know the doctrine of justification well? I don't know it as well as you, and I probably would get some things wrong with it, but it occurs at the same time, or right after you gain a regenerated nature, right? Yeah, concomitant with. Yes, that's good. You know, you actually got me thinking, and on my cut and paste section, I don't have anything on Eastern Orthodoxy.
So, my notes on EO are over 100 pages long, so maybe tonight I'll work on doing a minor outline, just cut and paste stuff to put in there so that you and others could use it. I find it interesting, I love talking to Eastern Orthodox people, I do. I think it's fascinating. And I have a way, I can tell you, I have a way of proving that they're not loyal to Christ, but they're loyal to their church. I have a way of proving it, I can show it to you if you want. Sure, I know they aren't going to accept that as evidence, but sure.
Oh, but they have to, and it works great. I did it with Catholics, and I do it with Eastern Orthodoxy. I did it last night with a Catholic, as a matter of fact, on Discord. I said, look, is Jesus God? Yes. Does Jesus have all authority in heaven and earth? Yes. Does he say to pray to him? Yes. Does he forgive sins?
Yes. If you were to pray to Jesus, you're sincere, I mean, you have a real sincere faith. And you are asking Jesus, specifically, asking him to forgive you of all of your sins, will he do that?
That's a question. And I find that about half of them won't answer the question. And about half do. The ones who don't, for obvious reasons, because they're loyal to their church, they're ecclesiologists, they worship their church, they serve their church, it's their church, the church, the church. But for those who say, well, yes, he will forgive you, I say, okay, if he does, then why do we need your church? Can't we go straight to Jesus? Because Jesus said in Matthew 11 28, Come to me, all who are heavy and light, and I will give you rest. Not the church that gives you rest. Jesus does. But it's not enough.
You have to do stuff. Uh-huh. I say, oh, well, then you go to Romans 4-5. And in Romans 4-5, it says, To the one who does not work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. So now the question I'm asking with that verse is, does Paul negate works? When he's speaking about justification here.
That's the question I start asking, and they have to answer in affirmative. Hold on, man, we've got a break, okay? If you want to know some more, we can talk about it. Okay, nobody waiting. Hold on. Hey, folks, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Be right back. Music It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.
Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. We have wide open lines, except for Alan's still waiting, hopefully. If you want, you give me a call, 877-207-2276. All right, let's get back to Alan.
Hey, you still there? Yep. All right, man. Okay, so where were we?
Sorry. Proving EO is false. Oh, yeah, proving EO is false, yes. If you want information on that, I can do that if you want. But here's the thing, you always have to know biblical theology.
I'll tell you, but it's really important that you study. I've got an idea for you that I think is a good idea. What I'd recommend that you do is you can do it on Google Docs or you can do it on Word or whatever it is. I have Word documents that I use. For example, my Eastern Orthodox document is 148 pages in Word. It's in an outline form.
So what I do is when I learn something, I create a category and I put a Heading 1, and then I put a Level 2 on it, indent, and I put notes. On the left side of my screen, I can put the navigation. For example, I'm scrolling through my document right now through the navigation. So I'm clicking on Salvation, and it instantly takes me to that page. The page, I don't know where it is. It's like 100 and something, whatever.
It's only 70. I don't know. So it takes me there instantly. So I have the documentations and I have stuff like questions about salvation.
I have it in there with them. I also have the issue of just salvation, and I have quotes from their sources. And the reason this is so valuable is because as you use it, as you develop it, say you talk to an EO person and you want to know what they believe. What I have done, for example, is gone through and asked EO representatives, tell me what it is for salvation, I want to write it down, and then I'm going to read it back to you and you tell me if it's correct or not. I've done this with three... What's that?
I'm sorry? Getting it from the source basically instead of presupposing, right? Right. And I've also gone to official stuff, official Eastern Orthodox site.
So, for example, here's one. Adam lost the proper relationship with God through his sin. Jesus restored the ruptured relationship through his resurrection. Therefore, by participating in the energies of God, that's the graces that lead to good works, you slowly become divinized, being made more like Jesus ontologically, and in this process become justified.
That's heresy. What is ontologically? Ontos means the nature being an essence.
It's metaphysics. So what's the nature of a bowling ball? What's the nature of a cat?
What's the nature of a tree? They're ontos. They're essence, the nature of something. And properties relate or emanate from the ontos, from the essence of what something is. So a circle, we'll use it really simply, a circle, we call it an abstract entity or an abstract object. When we say object is not something you can hold in your hand, a circle is an abstraction, and we can see representations of it when we draw a circle on a piece of paper. So, by definition, a circle, the ontos, has the quality of circularity and a radial point equal, distant from the edge to the center point in all directions. So that's properties of radius and the properties of circularity. Well, those properties would not apply to a triangle, for example, or listen to a square, which has four 90-degree angles, and each side is equidistant, and that's what a square is. So circularity, those are the nature of a circle, but not a square. So you can't take the properties of a circle and transfer them over to the properties of a square, for example. This kind of stuff is important because when they say that the bread and the wine become the body and the blood, they're saying the properties are transferred there without the essence. But if they say the essence is there, then they're saying the essence is there without the properties, and both are logically impossible. What are your thoughts about gaining natures since you can have a sin nature but some gain a regenerate nature but don't lose their sin nature?
Yes, that's the duality of our non-resurrected state. And so in Revelation 18-25, Paul talks about the things he doesn't want to do. He does the things he wants to do. He doesn't. He's struggling with his sin nature. We are sinful and fallen and yet at the same time in us is God because the temple of what we are is indwelt by God because the blood of Christ has cleansed the temple, cleansed our souls. So God lives in us. John 14-23.
So he is there. And so we are aware of the work of the Spirit in us and through us and also in our own souls and fallenness that we, let's say, struggle, okay? So if I made this argument with them and they would be like, oh, so you can gain natures, so why can't I gain divinity?
Yeah, they're going to say theosis. But we are not. Our nature is human. Our nature is not divine. Divinity belongs to God alone because that's his nature. Divinity is triune by nature.
That's what it is. We cannot become divine because we can't then become Trinitarian. We can't become Trinity. It's impossible. But when this guy made a mistake, he says it's being made more like Jesus ontologically. No, no, no.
We can be made more like Jesus in character, in our behavior, in our attitudes, but ontos deals with nature. So he made a mistake, and he either doesn't understand the terms or whatever. I'm just going to repeat.
This is what you're saying? Yes, ontologically? Yes, okay. And I go on.
These are supposed to be guys who know their stuff. So this is why, okay, if you want to know how to do this stuff, two things are critical as a basis. Theology and logic. Theology and logic.
They go hand in hand. You have to study both, and if you study both and you learn them, you'll be able to adapt to 80 to 90% of all objections and all issues. And so with an outline, you need to do this. Get an outline going, and then you write down the word, whatever it is, Trinity. And then you go to CARM, you go to other websites, you learn what the Trinity is. You word it in such a way that you understand what it is. Or if you copy it from CARM, that's fine. Just put a little documentation, copy it from here. People say, where'd you get that?
Right here. And if someone asks you a question about that, then you write the question down in that subcategory of the Trinity, and then you research it and you find an answer. This is how you learn, and you want the outline always available because then you can go back to it. So I have outlines. My stuff on Roman Catholicism is 230 pages. I can't remember all of that. So this is what I use all the time.
I have them open a lot of times on radio, too. I'm going through, and it makes me sound smart. So hold on. We've got another break. Okay, hold on. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick live. Taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show.
All right, Alan, we've been having a good time here. So I don't know if there's any more you want to add or ask. Sure. Yeah, I was going to comment on what you were finishing on. I think I definitely should create an outline as it should help be a crutch at least for my terrible memory.
It would help provide things to references. Absolutely. Because that's one thing I really wish I was granted is a better memory because it's like a one out of ten, man. It's really bad. Well, here's the thing.
The more you do, the better we'll get. That's just a fact. So if you go to the gym and you do curls, you'll start crying for mommy the next day because you're hurting. You keep doing that, not crying for mommy. You keep working out. After a while, your body will go, no problem. Your brain will do the same thing.
It will. If you don't use it that way, you don't. See, I can remember numbers. I remember once I was fanning through the Bible.
Just bang, bang, page, page, page. I saw a verse, looked at the number, kept going. I remembered it the next day. I did.
I went, whoa. Because I do it all the time. Like being nice to my wife.
I'm rarely nice. I don't know what that means. So I have to practice it a lot and get to learn. Make sense?
I got you. Do you have any, I'm assuming with all your articles, you probably have some articles on laws of logic in relation to theology, but is like, would you recommend any other sources to learn that? We have a course, you know, we have a course of critical thinking on CARM.
You can go to that, learn.carm.org. We charge for them. But I also say this to everybody, that anybody who wants them and can't afford them, just email us.
Just say, can I have the schools, match them on the radio, can't afford them. Just ask. We give them to you. We don't ask. We don't learn.
We're not concerned about that. So if you need them, that's one of the things you can do. You can also look up the laws of logic on CARM and look up the transcendental argument for God's existence and look up that and go through those things. And that'll be a good basis. I'd also recommend getting the book by John Frame, my old seminary professor, Apologetics to the Glory of God. And look up presuppositional apologetics.
That will really help you. Do you think that everyone comes to debates with presuppositions? Everybody does. Everybody has to assume certain values consistent with their worldview, values that they cannot verify as being true outside of their worldview. They have to assume their value. So, for example, the laws of logic or the universals like redness, roundness, treeness, people assume these universal values. They assume the uniformity of nature, that science is based on philosophical assumptions of uniformity and the laws of logic and things like this.
Everybody does this. As a Christian, we presuppose, we assume the validity of the Christian Trinitarian God, which I'd also recommend you go to CARM and look up the Christian Trinity examined in depth. That would be worth you studying. It really would be. So when we presuppose that and then we argue from that perspective, everything makes sense.
But if you don't presuppose Trinitarianism, then everything falls apart. Okay? I can get the dots on that. It just takes a while. Okay? Okay. I appreciate it.
Is there any other comments you have for me? Just study. Pray. And keep your outline is what I used to call an ignorance notebook.
Ignorance. I don't know what I don't know. God's going to show me what I don't know. And then I would see, Oh, I need to know that.
Put it in my ignorance notebook, which obviously is pretty big. Okay. Okay.
Makes sense. I appreciate all your help, Matt. All right, man. God bless. You too. All right. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276.
Vernell in North Carolina. You're on the air. Hey Matt. I'm back again. I have a question. It's in Genesis 1 26. Help me to decipher this. Okay.
26 say, and God said, so we know God, that's one speaking. Let us, us, I'm a little perplexed with the us. Make man in our image, image as our likeness. Please help me. I've been bothered with that for years. Help me understand that. Sure.
Not a problem at all. So when we go to Genesis 1 26, we're going to find something very interesting. All right. And so what we find is this, that God, now the word God is Elohim and the, I am ending in Hebrew is a plural ending. So the word for face and, you know, F A C E is panim. It's plural because there's plural aspects to it, but it's one thing. So God said, now check this out. How many times is there a plurality? Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness. There's three plurals used. This is reflective of the Trinity. Oh, how does that come about? Because I, you know, I thought of like the Trinity going on with the new and not the old. Well, let's talk about that next.
Okay. But let's stick with Genesis 1 26. So what we're seeing here hints at the Trinity. God said, let us, the plurality of the persons.
So God is one being with three distinct simultaneous co-eternal persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Okay. Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness. Three plurals. And let them, man.
And man there, see what's really interesting, let them. Right. Okay. And that is singular. Make man in our image, according to our likeness.
Let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, cattle, over everything. All right. So when it says we're made in his image, what that's called, what we deal with here is what's called the communicable attributes. So God has communicable attributes and incommunicable or non-communicable.
They call them incommunicable. So the communicable attributes of God are he can love, we can love. He can hate, we can hate. He can think, we can think. He can feel, we can feel. The incommunicable attributes are he's omnipresent, we are not. He's omnipotent, we are not.
Okay. So the communicable attributes are the image things, the image qualities that we possess that are from God that we in his image can participate in. We don't do them perfectly. But that's what that's talking about. The attributes that belong to God that can be communicated to us. And it's not as though the properties of God are transferred to us. But the attributes of his nature we receive them as an image form. They're not transferred to us. That would be heresy.
Okay. But they are just something that we emulate that God makes us able to think because it's something God can do. And so it's called the communicable attribute. The quality of God that we can participate in though we're not divine the properties are not imputed to us from God but they are designed in us after his. He's the mold, we're the imprint of the mold in the issue of the image in those areas that can be communicated to us we can love and think and feel and stuff like that.
Beautiful. Yeah, because that threw me off and I was looking at this show about the encounters we have they bring in a lot of Christian scriptures like the alien stuff, the Egyptians back in how a lot of things were built back in the day it didn't come from man knowledge is that the omniscient God that we know? That stuff, you should stay away from that stuff because people who talk about those kinds of things they're usually not very biblically minded I've heard stories and I've heard shows you're messing up here theologically there are people who know enough but you don't understand there but here's the thing I'm not sure which source you're looking at because sometimes it can be good though but UFOs, we can talk about UFOs I can tell you what those probably are and where they come from and things like that we can talk about all kinds of stuff but anyway Genesis 1.26 there you go, that's basically what it is And I have to say this to end Matt, real quickly I have to say for all the people that go against you they're fighting against the word of God with you fighting the word when we got all this craziness going on in the world that energy should be used where these people said death to America burning the flag I just don't get it why they wasting just like you two this time to make this show they can do the same thing to create their own yeah, it's because there are evil people in the world that's why there's the break, we've got to go God bless God bless you too, bye bye alright folks we'll be right back after these messages stay tuned alright everybody welcome back to the show let's get on with Catherine from Canada Catherine welcome, you're on the air Hello Hi I've got a question about near death experiences Sure Are they biblically valid? Yes Let's go to 2 Corinthians 12 2 and I'm going to modify what I'm saying but yes and we know because the Bible says it says I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago whether in the body I do not know or out of the body I do not know God knows such a man was caught up to the third heaven and I know how such a man whether in the body or apart from the body do not know God knows was caught up into paradise and heard inexpressible words which a man is not permitted to speak that is what we would call an NDE not a problem now what about the NDEs that people have nowadays well if they agree with scripture they're true if they don't agree with scripture they're false that would be the basic rule we go with a lot of Christians are going to say they don't happen but there's a biblical basis for it we know it can in or out of the body there you go what are you going to say so I've studied NDEs and read some books on it and there's a wide variety of accounts some agree with scripture and some contradict scripture and then we would have to examine each one and go through and comment and things like that but there's the basics okay that's great that's what I believe as well I don't know you must know Randy Kay you've heard of Randy Kay well I may or may not because I read books but I'm just not good with names that's all okay well he vets every experience by the word of God and puts those experiences on his YouTube and they're very compelling and I believe them and I'm going to go to his conference but I just thought I should you know I thought they were biblically valid too but I guess that's the only verse that you can it's just whether in the body or out of the body well yeah it's the primary one I go to you can also go to 1st Samuel 28 and it's where the witch of Endor summons oh right and so and then you go to Matthew 17 where Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus so there are accounts of people continuing on afterwards the question is an NDE is us seeing something and then coming back now that's different but this the only one I know like that is 2nd Corinthians 12 and some of the books I've read they've commented about people born blind and they you know have an operation they'll die on the table for a few minutes they're revived etcetera and they're still blind but they will describe what they saw you know I saw so and so in the halls over there in the rooms and you've probably read about those too well those are the ones that I think are really compelling that really proves that these things are true yeah yeah okay I just want to make sure that you know I'm on the right side of things like I know that there's lots of danger in spiritual experiences and things like that and also I mean I've heard the quote that says we are not what is it we're not physical beings having a spiritual experience where spiritual beings have a physical experience but I don't know if I like that quote yes but we are designed by God to be physical right so we are both physical and spiritual but we can exist apart in our physical body but the way we're going to be permanently existing is in a physical body a resurrected glorified physical body okay yes yes I don't know who this guy is if you could uh if you could I don't know if you want to email what Randy K? yeah Randy K I don't know if he's good or not alright K A well I really think so but I I just wanted your opinion but if you don't know well but what you've said I think you would like him well uh so I mean everything is by the Bible he vests everything a lot of people say it and I'm not saying he's good or bad I'm just saying I like to check people out and see if you could like email me just here's his website or whatever then I can go check him out and make sure he's not a Roman Catholic or you know or some new wage wacker who says he's Christian I don't know I'm gonna check him out no he didn't believe in these things until he had a near death experience and so now he believes I mean he was a hospital uh something or other he was you know pretty scientific about things but then he believed it like his whole life fell apart sort of thing and and then he met Jesus so okay anyway I just uh you know I want to be on the right side of things of all by the biblical account so I believe that I am but I just wondered if you'd heard of him no I haven't but I found his website so I'm looking online and what I could do is just ask him a few questions make sure he's within orthodoxy and go great but he's from my own stomping grounds down in Southern California too I see uh so oh yeah well I think he's from uh Chicago originally I believe I think he was born and raised in Chicago not sure okay anyway yeah I'm gonna go to his conference I'm looking forward to it and uh so you know I just don't I feel a little bit pardon? where's the conference? it's in San Diego okay yeah I love it and I just feel a little bit nervous telling people what I'm going to because it sounds weird you know nah it's alright I get it I mean I'd like to go to something like that and just to do some research I mean I could fly down there and hang out you know I mean I'd like to want to research that more compelling stories sure like really compelling stories I mean they're absolutely like just there's no doubt in my mind like these people have told like they didn't believe it until it happened like anyway there's really good stories and good speakers that are going to be there so I'm really looking forward to it okay uh great yeah um I'll check it out okay appreciate it alright thanks thanks very much alright well god bless okay alright now let's get to uh Alberto Alberto welcome you're on the air yeah good evening my question if a person was demon possessed and got like 40 demons can that person uh happen to you know uh confront us a full grown male full silverback gorilla would they would they give the gorilla a run for his money or not well um I've never been asked a question like that before it's a mystery question can 40 demons inside of a person take on a silverback gorilla yeah a full grown silverback gorilla yeah that'd be uh yeah that'd be interesting um probably uh I would think the silverback would destroy the human even with demonic forces I mean I don't know because that doesn't mean their bones are gonna be strong in a person a silverback could just you know just throw them all over the place snap his arm in half easily yeah uh uh I used to work out with a couple of gorillas um in the gym back in the day yeah uh one guy uh he was shot and uh when he it was a misunderstanding of something happened I won't get into all the details and he was shot and part of it was blown out and sitting on the sidewalk and uh you know the guy who shot him and you know he said all this stuff and I said dude what happened to you he goes well I'm there so I beat him up you know yeah um not something I've ever entertained there's a thought uh if demon possessed people can beat up a silverback gorilla it's not uh not something I've really pondered on too much so even though he's demon possessed that's not about for my strength because that's that a silverback gorilla got scraped off 20 men they say but but still he got the teeth you know and but even though he did a part of my people possessed but he still like you say he still got he's still human he still just his bones he could snap in a way regardless right yeah I mean I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know how that would work okay so all I can do is just um is just kind of uh meander around the the issue kicking stones at it while I'm talking yeah you know the guy that the the guy that they have a a legion of demons and they're they're and Jesus cast out all the demons instead of legion I won't say I'm just gonna say legion in a way really when people say a legion it's a lot but people say 12,000 people say 6,000 I don't know it's huge yeah that's right it's it's a large number yeah you look it up you see yeah I'm sorry I've never heard somebody else that's only a person that you know of in history that had that much demons in him I don't know uh just look it up a legion is is considered 6,000 soldiers so could 6,000 demons beat up a a silverback uh I would assume so but depends on what kind they are I don't know are they weaklings what if you have a demon of apathy uh so the demon that guy had we we we we that was not specific what type of demon he had it was a demon but it didn't specify what kind of demon he had yeah it's just uh it would be so far out there that I don't even know really how to really kind of tackle it good work okay alright thanks alright god bless alright well that was uh that was interesting it was an interesting discussion uh but hey at least I learned something a legion is 6,000 soldiers I looked it up uh so man that would be interesting mark 5-9 you know uh we are a legion he says and the demons and the demon stuff and stuff like that I wonder if we can get them all out let me check this out here mark 5-9 what's your name he said my name is legion for we are many now it doesn't mean the the demonic force or forces was telling the truth could have been they were lying you know I mean they liars so they could have been three and they said we're legion you know who knows but um all right the NDE thing is interesting I'm going to check out that individual and just see um you know one of the things I do want to do is go to uh Roswell for the UFO annual UFO convention now that that would be fun I'd I'd fit right in I'm just bringing my just wearing my aluminum foil hat you know my wife if I were to say hey I want to go to Roswell she'd go of course right I can see you doing that so uh you know my wife's always got my back so she's always supportive hey hun after that I want to go to the new age convention she goes okay most guys they want to go to a sports event right me I want to go to Roswell for the UFO convention then I want to go to the new age convention and then I want to go to the so yeah my wife just a lot of times she goes uh-huh yeah okay you know and I said uh I said how would you describe me to your friends she just pauses stares it wouldn't be easy so there you go all right folks having fun there hey may the Lord bless you and by his grace we're back on there tomorrow and we'll talk to you then so have a good evening everyone God bless another program powered by the truth network
