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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome to the show. It's a nice Friday.

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Got a lot of good stuff going on and I've been busy, been working on the schools and other stuff like that. So, uh, there you go. Well, you know, I think we'll just jump right in. Let's just jump right in the phones here and let's get going. Let's get to Oliver from Maine. Oliver, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Mr. Schlich. How are ya? Doing all right. Hanging in there, man.

What do you got buddy? So my question for you is, uh, more, more so looking for advice as a Christian. You know, I, I worked with it at a secular business and a lot of my coworkers, they use a lot of vulgar language, squares, more so I really don't know what to do like right now. It's kind of a awkward laugh situation. And I don't even want to do that.

Like it seems like if I won't support it, you know, um, okay. I can tell you what I did. Here's what, this is what I did.

I w I worked at, uh, Hewlett Packard, uh, as a contractor fixing computers and did it for five years when I first got there, um, I, you know, I didn't, there were like 40, 50 guys on the team and we had a special room we could go into and only by, by a passkey and things like that, because we had, you know, a lot of tech stuff in there. And so once they got behind that door in this closed room, they became foul. And, uh, I never said anything. I never said, don't talk like that. I never said, excuse me. I never said anything. I just didn't, uh, cuss. And when they would say bad jokes or whatever, I would just politely walk away. I just kind of slink away without them knowing I'm just leaving. And I did this, uh, I just was for months and I never pushed anybody. And then they came to me and this happened when I moved up to Boise, Idaho, too, the same thing after about three months, uh, they clued in and they, they said, look, uh, what's going on? How come you don't, uh, we've noticed, you don't cuss, you don't do this.

You, you don't, you don't tell bad jokes. And I just said, well, because I'm a Christian and, uh, you know, I want, and, uh, you know, um, and that's it. And, uh, that was it. And I never bothered them. And to my surprise, what happened was they started changing their behavior around me and I never asked them to, and they would stop, uh, saying things around me because they, they, they knew I wasn't condemning them. I, I wasn't doing anything. And their reaction was that I just set an example and that was it and it made a difference with them and, uh, it earned their respect for one thing.

And then after a while they was hard asking me questions and then they found out more of what I do for a living, you know, it was before I was full time with this and they found out more and I go, wait a minute, you, you know, stuff and we talked so that, you know, so that's what happened. That's what I'd recommend is just, just do it like that. Gotcha, gotcha.

Okay. I'll definitely take that advice and try to start walking away more. And then maybe they'll start to ask questions as to why, so thank you. Yeah, you're going to do it in the right way though.

You know, if you're in the middle of the crowd and they start telling a joke and you go, hmm, and you just walk away, they'll know, you know, it's just, I would, if I couldn't get away, you know, politely, I just wouldn't laugh, uh, because I know, you know, I'm sorry, you know, and, and that was it. Then it changed them. Okay.

It changed them, you know, so just by being a good example, they didn't all repent, but you know, you don't let me look at her. All right, buddy. Thank you so much. All right, man. God bless. Okay.

Let's get to Alberto from Georgia. Welcome back, buddy. You're on the air. What's up, man? Good evening, man.

Slick. My question is what are the, how the heresy that the assembly or God teaches? Well, for one, they allow women pastors and elders to teach.

You can lose your salvation. They're a little bit overly charismatic. I'm not against charismatic gifts and they tend to have a kind of a holiness thing where they measure their stature before God by how holy they are. And they kind of impose it on others, but that's not every individual. That's not every, uh, every church does that, but it's just one of the things I've, I've, uh, heard about from those who've been inside, but they do teach, uh, women pastors and elders. And they're losing your salvation and things like that. So I could never recommend anybody go to that denomination.

Okay. What about if I, like me, if I be a faithful member and the pastures all happy, sleepy, as long as I do everything he wants me to do, and I don't go eat the church cookies or nothing like that. And I just do what the pastor tells me to do, be a faithful member, even though I'm able to be illiterate in the church, I'm not going to be illiterate in the church, as long as I can keep the pastor happy and be a faithful member and do all the stuff they want me to do.

And they don't care if I'm illiterate. What do you think about that? Well, first of all, I would definitely eat church cookies, but the other one is, uh, so what, uh, that you're trying to please the pastor, he's not the one you should be pleasing. You should be pleasing the Lord Jesus Christ.

That's it. Your eyes should be set upon how can you emulate Christ and please him, not make the pastor happy. That's not the issue. If you start doing that, you're going down a wrong road. So, uh, you make a noise in the background there, buddy. Um, so the thing is, keep your eyes on Christ and set that example.

Some people, I think, stay in the, uh, AG because they want to be good examples of things and that's okay if they can do that and survive it. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right, man. God bless, buddy. Okay.

We have one open line, 877-207-2276. Thomas from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Yeah, this is Thomas. Can you hear me okay?

Yes, I can. Uh huh. Okay.

I have a question, uh, two questions, both on revelation and I ponder these questions for many years and, you know, cause you know, I chew on the word of God and I've been a Christian for a very long time. Um, keep, keep talking in the same volume. You're, you're talking loudly then softly. So it's hard to understand you and follow you, but keep going. Okay.

I'm sorry. Um, my question is on, on the new Jerusalem. Yeah. It talks about the river. Yeah.

And on either side of the river is the tree of life. Okay. Barely hear you again. And there's 12 manners of fruit. Okay. And so it says the leaves are for the healing of the nation. Explain that to me.

I wish I could. I don't understand why, you know, this is at the end of the thousand year ring. So why would healing need to be taken place? I just, and the leaves. So explain that to me. I don't know. I don't know. I just, I don't know. I don't know what it means exactly. Uh, you probably know more about it than I do.

It's not something I've studied very much at all. It rarely ever comes up the new Jerusalem river. We know what does it mean?

Cause the new Jerusalem is like 1500 mile cube. It can't be for real. The river, uh, it's a symbol, uh, on both sides. So it becomes symbolic and I've just not studied it to, uh, uh, I don't think it really is symbolic.

I think it's real. It's just what the word says. The word is literal. This is a river.

There's a river there. Okay. Uh, I'm just saying that's the way I believe in the word. That's fine.

That's fine. I'm just saying, I don't know what it means. You could have a literal river it's talking about that could have a highly symbolic meaning, but it could also be that it's not a real river, but it's a very symbolic mention of rivers.

I just don't know which one it is. Yeah. I agree that, that the, that the leaves probably some kind of symbolic meaning. And so, you know, cause I've even asked, you know, a couple of pastors about it and they're, you know, of the same, um, the same as you that you're really not sure that maybe a symbolic thing because there's, you know, you compare scripture with scripture and there's not a lot saying about it, so we don't get a lot of insight on it. Okay. So my other question is about, about the great white throne judgment.

And I've pondered this for many years. I know that in the Old Testament, Gehenna and, um, and Hades is of Old Testament Hebrew words for help, correct? Yeah. Okay. And it says in the great white throne adjustment that the sea gave up a dead, which was in it and death and hell, two places gave up the dead, which were in them.

Okay. So again, plural and those, and they were judged out of the works of the books, right? The books were open. They were judged out of those works and whoever was not found written in the lambs was cast into the lake of fire. Yes. You know, the lake of fire. So hell was cast in the lake of fire. The dead was cast in the lake of fire. So, um, and I, something just came to me the other day.

That's back yesterday. I said, okay, the dead, the dead. Cause I keep thinking about this. Hell is a separate place. The word says that hell was created for the devil and his angels. Okay.

Okay. And so hell, everybody says, well, you're going to go to hell. Hell is eternity. Well, that's kind of true, but hell itself is cast into the lake of fire. Right. The lake of fire is what eternity is.

And then pick us on that or darkness. Right. Yeah. There's debates about, about this.

We don't know exactly what it means and how it works because some of the terms seem to be interchangeable. Right. Right. Yeah. It can be a little confusing. A little bit. A little bit interchangeable.

This is why I can't tell you what it is. Another one. Right. Okay. Okay. Well, here's, here's something that I just kind of came to me yesterday. It talks about death.

Okay. When we die, you know, um, there's spiritual death and physical death. Maybe the, and the grave, the grave, the grave is, it's just the dead gave up the seed, the dead that was in the seed.

Right. And hell gave up the dead, which is in it. And, and, and so maybe, maybe the dead that is in there is the body. Well, look, I'll tell you what, we don't, we don't know. Um, we look, I just don't know. It's the spiritual side.

I just don't know. And, uh, so I know it really is that whole bunch of say, you're talking about revelation 20, the end of that, the last few verses was talked about that. And, um, you know, generally speaking, doctorally, I give you a lot of good, solid answers when it comes to interpreting things like this out of the book of revelation, uh, then I have problems, uh, because I just don't understand what it means. There are discussions about it and different commentators have different views, and I just don't know which one is the right one, but it says death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire. When I understand the lake of fires and thrown out into, um, eternal darkness, and that's it. That is the state that they are going to be in forever. And if you're not thrown into that book, you know, in the book of life, you'd be thrown into that fire.

So I know that's, that's legit. But as far as which death, cause the second death, some say the first death is your, is, is just being born in your sinful and the second death is the ultimate judgment. Some say the first resurrection is being born again. And the second resurrection is, um, the resurrection of our body.

Uh, you know, it's, there's just different views. Okay, buddy. Appreciate it. Okay. One, one more quick question on revelation. We talked about, wait, wait, no, no, we got to break.

We got to break, we got to break, we got to break. So, okay. Okay. Hold on.

You call back. All right. Get in line. All right, buddy.

Okay. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Everyone welcome back to the show. Let's get to Derek from Canada.

Derek, welcome. You are on the air. Hello? Hello. Is that me? Yes. You're on the air.

Hi, it's Eric. Okay. Yep. Is that you talking to me? Yes. Yeah, you are. Okay.

Hi. I'm wondering, when it talks about, uh, Luke 10, 19, about beholding to give you power to tread upon 3% scorpions and over all the power of the enemy, nothing by enemy to hurt you, but that's for Christians to use, eh? No. No.

Context. The 70 returned with joy saying, Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name. And he said to them, I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. Behold, I've given you authority to tread on serpents.

Give it to the 70. That's who he was talking to. So we're, so we're not, uh, well, we're, so we're less than the apostles, the 70, aren't we all kind of the same? No, we're less than the apostles in authority position in the church. So, but doesn't mean we're different in nature. Really?

Absolutely. Paul the apostle, for example, has more authority in the church than we do. So does John, you know, Peter. How are they saved? They're saved the same way we are.

But they're saved by the cross. Okay. You're not hearing what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly.

So you're not, hold on a second. They're different in authority in the church than you and I. They're not different in nature and they're saved the same way. But what Jesus was talking about there was to the 70. A lot of times these, you know, pastor, teacher guys on radio will take this verse and other verses out of context and say, see, that means you can tread on serpents. That means you have the power. It doesn't say that.

He is talking to the 70. He says, I've given you authority. It's just like another place where he says he's given 12 disciples the authority to do certain things. It doesn't mean that we by default have that authority in the same sense, in the same context. Okay. We have other authority. All right.

Interesting. I'm going to have to check out because I often use that when I do spiritual work for when I pray for people, I take authority over the strong man and bind it into the name of Jesus Christ. I can do that. Can I?

Yeah, of course you can. It's in the name of Jesus. But you have to understand when you read scripture, when you read scripture, you have to put things in context. For example, Matthew 10 one, Jesus summoned the 12 disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits to cast them out and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. Does that mean he's given, given that to you or to me?

Not necessarily. Really? You don't believe, do you believe in healings is for nowadays? Of course I believe in healings and stuff. I believe in all the charismatic gifts.

I'm just telling you. So do you believe I've got to give the tongues. You believe in tongues, I think. Yeah, I believe in all the charismatic gifts, but I'm just, you're not. But I'm surprised. You know, you're not hearing what I'm saying.

Well, not at all. We're telling you principles of interpretation of scripture. Always see who it's addressed to because in, in Luke 10, 17 and 18, 19, Jesus was speaking to the 70 in Matthew 10. He's speaking to the 12 disciples. Does that mean that we have automatically the authority to, for example, to heal every kind of sickness?

Well, there's a sense in which we can and a sense in which we can't. We don't have that authority the way the disciples did. They could utter command because it was specifically given by Jesus to those 12 specifically, but Christians today, we can clap, cast out demons and heal people. But that's if God was to will it through us. But with the disciples, they had that direct authority. They could go out and just hear you, you, you, you.

It would happen. Not so, not so with us. We are not counting the same authority as disciples, the apostles. I'm sorry, what? That's interesting. I thought we were all kind of the same.

No. But that's okay. I'll just look up the... No, Derek, Derek, we're the same in some sense and not the same in other senses.

You have to be more specific. We're not the same. We're not the same authority in the name of Jesus Christ is everybody. We're all the same in Christ. One, one, one body in the Christ.

Let me, let me try this again. We have authority in Jesus. You quoted or referenced Luke 10 19. That was addressed to the, specifically to the 70.

I mean, uh, uh, yeah, 10 19. That was to the 70. It wasn't addressed to us.

Now this, this freaks people out. We can bind this. Okay. I think you're missing my point. I'm trying to see something that when you look at a verse, see who it's addressed to. See what the context is. Then ask, does it apply to us? Don't just assume that when it says, uh, he's, I give a new authority. Who's the, you, who is he speaking to? It's just, this is just what you do when you interpret scripture.

Who's he talking to? Well, that's very good. No, I got to have to look further into that and settle that in my own mind, but it'll be interesting to see what I come up with. Yeah.

I'll definitely call back and talk to you about it, I guess we can say. Yeah. And we do have authority, but those are different verses.

I'm just saying here. And for example, in Matthew 10, just go to Matthew 10 and start at verse one and read who's he talking to? He's talking to the disciples.

Okay. There, the 12 disciples, Matthew 10, as an example, go, go there and take a look and say, how, what is it that he has said that applies to us? Like he says in Matthew 10, eight, heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons freely. You've received freely.

Give. Well, he's talking to the 12 disciples. To what extent does that affect us? To what extent is it carried to us?

Because you've got to be careful. If you say, well, it's to the disciples, therefore it's to us. Then you could just take a step right over into Roman Catholicism, who says that Peter has all the authority because it was given to Peter. So it can be passed down to his people in their papacy. And now the, the, the, uh, Roman Catholic papacy is, is, uh, legit.

Well, no, it's not. Just because something was given to Peter doesn't mean it's got to everybody after him. Just because something is given to the disciples doesn't mean it's given to everyone after them. We have to look at each thing, its own context, ask the question, who's he addressing? Does it mean it's for us?

Don't automatically say yes. Just see what it says and then find out that there's other verses like first Corinthians 14, where the charismatic gifts occur in the church. And then first Corinthians one seven, that we're not to lack any charismatic gift while we're waiting for the return of Christ.

Those are the verses that are universal, but these you got to be careful about. Okay. Very enlightening. Yeah.

That's going to give me a lot more to study up on. That's for sure. I thank you for your wisdom and talking with me. That kind of set me a little bit straight, but I got to check it out and make it okay in my own understanding. Good for you. Thank you. All right, buddy.

God bless. Okay. Bye. Okay.

All right. Let's get on the phone now with Scott from Virginia. Hey, Scott.

Welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How's it going, man? It's going, man.

It's going. What do you got, buddy? Hey, listen.

Listen, a quick question real easy. What do you think of, uh, are you familiar with and what do you think of Doug bachelor's ministry? Who's I don't know who that is. Okay.

That's all I wanted to know. Doug bachelor. Amazing.

Facts ministry. Never. Oh, that guy. Yeah, I've met him and, uh, hold on.

Um, because it's SDA and the SDA has lots of problems. Hold on. I'll go over a few. Want to get back to the break? Okay, Scott. Okay. Hold on. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt slick live taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt slick. Welcome back to the show. Scott, are you still there? Uh, yes, sir. I am.

All right. So, uh, just so you know, I, I met him and, uh, Scott bachelor, uh, cause you know, I know, I know you're talking about, um, at one of the conferences, NRB national religious broadcasting. And I went up and I said, Oh, Hey, you're that, uh, the guy in TV.

And he goes, yeah. And I said, my name is Matt. And, um, uh, I'm an apologist. I was, I'm wondering, would you be willing to have a discussion with me, uh, publicly on Seventh-day Adventist doctrines and comparing the scripture because there's people around.

I had to say it quickly. And he said, no, he's not interested in having a discussion with me in a public sense, going over SDA doctrine. And I said, well, the Bible says supposed to give an answer to everyone.

And he didn't want to talk to me after that. Now, this is the thing about SDA. See, I would debate that guy in a heartbeat publicly. I'd fly out, we go on a set, let's talk, let's go to their SDA church.

Let's have a debate. And we could go over things like soul sleep. We can go over things like is, are the doc, excuse me, is our sin going to be placed on Satan, which is what SDA teaches. And on October 22nd, 1844, Jesus entered the second and last phase of his atoning work.

What the heck is that? Investigative judgment, the fate of all people. We decided based upon what you've done, the wicked are annihilated. You know, they deny predestination. They deny election, which is clearly taught in scripture. And, uh, you know, so there are some serious problems and I would debate the Sabbath issue. Are we obligated to worship on Saturday?

Did we true Christian? If we don't worship on Saturday, these are the things I want to talk to them about and have a debate on and they won't do it. Now, why is it the SDA won't debate these things?

Have an official person do it? I think it's because they're afraid. That's what I think because they're afraid to be, get exposed, but they're not considered a type of cult or anything. Some SDA groups, churches, uh, factions are cultic and some are not. Now here's the thing.

The good side of SDA is the affirmative doctrine of the Trinity, as well as the deity of Christ and justification by faith through Christ. The problem with the latter statement is how it's interpreted in the investigative judgment. Now I've read through some of it from Alan G. White, who they say is a prophetess, but the Bible says no more prophets after Jesus. Uh, Luke six, no, Luke, uh, uh, John 14, 14. And so that's a problem.

It's a huge problem. Um, but they, they don't deny the, the very basic of the essentials. Now some say they do in the sense that they call Jesus Michael the Archangel, but they're not saying Jesus is an angel. They're saying that Michael the Archangel was actually Jesus, pre incarnate Jesus and angel just means messenger. So they'll, they're not denying his deity by calling him Michael.

They're, they're saying that Michael is just a pre incarnate form of Christ who's the second person of the Trinity. So though they're wrong about that, that doesn't invalidate their, um, uh, Christology in the in the ultimate sense. But the issues here, go ahead.

No, go ahead. I'm sorry. But the issues here are when it, when they teach that, uh, that, uh, our sins will be placed, uh, on Satan at the end, the great controversy by Alan G. White page 40, uh, four to 22 and 45. And it's not true. Our central place upon Christ.

And he finished the atonement on the cross, John 1930, and he canceled the sin debt at the cross, Colossians 2 14. So they, they got some serious problems here in this issue of soul sleep. It doesn't make them non-Christian, but, uh, soul sleep stuff is just, is wrong.

And the wicked are not, not annihilated. And I've done a great deal of research on that and, uh, and stuff. So, you know, wrong stuff. Okay. Is there, uh, is there more information on that, uh, on your, uh, on your website on farm?

Yes, there is a whole section on them. All right. All right.

I will look it up. Right, man. Okay. God bless.

All right. Let's get to Kelly from Los Angeles. Kelly.

Welcome. Oh, I think I got it out of the, out of the order there. Oh, well, we're on Kelly. You're you're next. I'm next. Okay. Oh, can I talk now?

Yes, you can. You're on the air. Oh, okay. Okay. Matt, I have two questions, but I want to be fair to my brothers and sisters in Christ. Tell me, just ask my original question, my original question is, is, um, does the devil have the power to send people into your life? So just to give you a quick scenario, he does. Yes.

I was wrong then in my argument. He has his, his, uh, servants. You either serve God or you serve the enemy. And undoubtedly you can have people who were sent by, by the enemy, uh, to do his bidding.

They won't even be aware of that. My rebuttal, Matt, was because I was telling someone, I said, well, I said, I'll never know why God even allowed me to meet this person knowing that, you know, we would, knowing that it wasn't a good match for me. And he said, well, maybe the devil sent them. I said, nah, the devil isn't an omnipresent being. The devil doesn't know where I'm going to be.

And where the. But you have to understand his, he doesn't need, um, uh, omnipresence in order to send somebody to mess you up. Okay. You know, in all things, I wrote a novel called the influence and in there, um, I took liberties, of course, but I wrote, there's a, the bad guy named leech and he's a, uh, he's in, once he get into gangs and he's a heavy drug user and he's possessed. And I have a, uh, uh, a place in there where he's looking into a mirror and the demonic force in him is whispering into his own mind and he's hearing what he thinks are his own thoughts. And he's enjoying the lies being taught, you know, I'm good.

I'm this, I'm that. And he's, he then goes out to do what this thing suggested. And so I'm not saying that's exactly how it works, but if people are possessed by demonic forces, then they certainly can be used by the devil to do certain things. Okay. Oh, okay. So I know the devil does have the power to just get, cause I'm thinking like the devil isn't sovereign. So how could the devil, I don't know. Okay. But you don't have to be sovereign.

No, he could be in one place cause he is in one place and he have a kabillion demonic forces and you can say that that person over there, go hassle him, go, you know, and use the, uh, use evil people to do it. Got it. Understood. All right.

Thank you, Matt. All right. Sure. You're welcome. Okay.

All right. Let's get to Tyler from Long Island, New York. Tyler, welcome. You're on the air. Good evening, brother. How are you? I'm fine. How are you? Very good.

Same here. Uh, quick question. Um, I just, I was, I have a while back, I read this book, um, by a guy named Richard B Gaffen and it was called, uh, I think it was a resurrection, redemption, a study in following soteriology. And, um, from what I remember, I think the guy was kind of pulling off of a guy named Gerhard's boss a little bit and trying to like kind of expand what he was talking about in terms of what's called the history of salvation and the order of salvation. Yeah. The order. Yeah, exactly. Like you could call it Ordo and Historia or something. Uh, I just want to make sure I'm understanding this right. Cause I always like to ask questions cause I'm most of the time I am wrong. So, uh, is the difference, like is Ordo Salutis kind of like the, the, the, the order by which we get saved and then the history kind of like how it plays out in redemptive history, how God unites us to Christ?

Yeah, it's like that, it's like that. Now the primary issues, like for example, um, how does, how does the issue of salvation work with, with us? So as I taught last night in the Bible study, uh, I taught on election and predestination for about an hour. And what I taught was that God who knows all things simultaneously, because he doesn't grow in knowledge, then when Ephesians one four says that he, uh, he chose us in him before the foundation of the world. So he is the father who chose us, the elect as what it means to choose, chose us, the elect in Christ.

So it's in Jesus. In Jesus, well, now what we're talking about is the issue of election for salvation before the universe was created. And that election occurred in the mind of God, even though nothing was existing yet. And it was done in Christ in that no election is possible without the redemptive work of Christ already being, so to speak in the works.

I don't mean that it was back then, but it was already planned. So then we would say then the reformed, uh, Ordo Salutis, that election is first because God has to make that choice and before the foundation of the world, and then predestination would fall, follow. Then he calls us a fourth because he would speak to us as John six 44 says, you cannot come to me unless the father draws you. And he does this kind of a thing that he regenerates us and regeneration precedes faith logically, not temporally.

Not temporally. The Armenians would say that the first thing that goes on is written through my notes is the calling that the gospel has to go forth and then prevenient grace works on the person, which I argue against that all day long. And then faith occurs because of the prevenient grace of God. And then regeneration follows that faith. And that's a temporal problem.

So that makes sense. So it's kind of like, uh, trying to fully understand it. I think it's almost sometimes like a lot. I find it funny, like a lot of people get into that, like inference super lap steering kind of stuff where it's kind of, kind of silly.

Like you just please look at what the Bible says. Can you hold on? We got a break man. Okay.

We got a break. So hold on. All right. We'll be right back out.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back everybody. Tyler, are you still there? Yep. You got it, brother. Okay.

So where were we? We're talking about inference super lap Sarianism, um, which I don't agree with either one myself, but, uh, uh, in the order of Saluta. So I don't know if I helped you or not, or gave you the answers or what? Yeah, no, absolutely.

I definitely clarified a lot of things. Thank you. And you know, it's, it's really even, you know, during the break, I was just thinking about just how comforting it really is to know that God, you know, even before everything was created, like his ultimate purpose in Christ, you know, to choose the people for himself. Yep. And it's just the one thing they can't take from you is, you know, I got my friend, Danny said at church one time, uh, he's a doctoral student at Westminster and he said, they can, they can, uh, only get as a dead body. And that's the truth.

Consummation is the greatest, uh, comfort of the Christian is like, we see God, you know, restoring and consummating, you know, eventually that final day when we see Jesus fully and in face to face glorified. So it is a compliment. Good stuff. Yeah. Thanks very much for me. God bless you. Have a great rest of your day. You too. God bless. All right. Let's get on the phones with Andre from Mississippi.

Andre, welcome. You're on the air. Yes. How are you doing today? Doing all right, man. Doing all right.

What do you got? Okay. I have a couple of short questions. Um, over in at, at chapter two verse four, it's talking about the tone. Yep. Speaking in tongue.

Uh, yes. And that first, does that mean that on the day of Pentecost, uh, each person heard their own language, although different Jews that were visiting, uh, did they hear their own language? That's what it seems to be the glossolalia in the Greek. And that, uh, that is the gift of the Holy Spirit is the charismatic movement and the ability to do this kind of a thing. That's what the context here in Acts two is talking about. But, uh, it seems to be the reason it's unusual is because the idea was that the Jews only spoke their language. They wouldn't be speaking, uh, scriptural stuff in other languages because Hebrew was the sacred language. Well, all of a sudden now they're hearing stuff in, in Greek, in Latin, in Egyptian and all kinds of languages.

And that's seems to be what's going on there. Okay. Now is, is speaking in tongue relevant today in the church? Yes. I mean, I know that some people do it. Yeah. Yeah, they, yeah, but they do it.

Usually it's wrong. Um, like I was watching some woman, uh, on some video, uh, yeah, it was on Sunday nights on TV. Oh, geez. And, uh, she's a preacher, teacher, pastor, which is wrong.

And then she starts speaking in tongues while she's praying over somebody. It just, it just, you know, it just ridiculous. Yeah, it's wrong. And it's supposed to be done. Tongues are supposed to be done in the context of a church with interpretation.

Otherwise keep quiet. That's what the Bible clearly tells us in first Corinthians 14. Yeah, you're right.

And you're definitely right. And I read it somewhere. I don't know if it's first Corinthians 13 or 14.

Um, this is one thing that John, John MacArthur is really big on. He used to verse when he said that, um, tongue is ceased. Or ceased tongues no more. Or tongue is ceased today. Yeah. It's first Corinthians 13.

But, uh, the, it was called antecedent is the issue. But then, um, you know, when the perfect comes, then these things will cease. Well, what's the perfect? Some, what they call it is the perfect is the, uh, the completion of the Bible.

Nope. The perfect is, is the return of Christ. And I have articles on this, another website, but, uh, because it says when the perfect comes, we'll see face to face and we'll know as we're fully known. That's not, that doesn't happen when the Bible is completed because to face to face as a personal encounter and to be known, it means that you're saved. It's a phraseology used by God.

You know, get away from me. I never knew you or my sheep hear my voice and I know them. And so that's what it's talking about is a salvation thing. And when the perfect comes, the partial shall be done away. And that's first Corinthians 13 10 and first Corinthians one seven. Oh, okay. Okay.

So you're saying that, can you say it one more time? Uh, first Corinthians 13 verse eight, they should cease. And you said, I mean, if there's knowledge, it will be done away. Prophecy will cease and tongues and knowledge. Well, if you can ask them, if the Bible is what is supposed to be the perfect, then what does it mean that the knowledge will be done away with? Ask them that. And they might mean they might say, well, it's the word of knowledge. And then you have, you know, they might say that, but the thing is when the perfect comes, show me from scripture that the perfect means the completion of the Bible.

And I can't do it because it's not there. I know this topic very well. Okay. I see good. All right.

And one, and one more thing, a little bit. We'll tell you what we got, we got five people, four people waiting. So let's get going. Okay.

Cause we get a lot of people eating. All right. Okay. Okay. Thank you. We'll not be on the air on Monday.

So call back on Tuesday because Monday is a holiday. All right, Andre. God bless, buddy. Okay. Let's get to Jamie from Seattle. Jamie. Welcome.

You're on the air. I was going to ask you about, um, uh, what was it? Um, the doctrine about Michael and Jesus Christ.

Yeah. So why do you think that didn't be the case? Why, what, what, why isn't that the case? Why shouldn't we think that is the case?

What is the case? We more specific. The Michael and Jesus are the same. They're not. How do we know that? Because nothing in the Bible says Michael is Jesus.

Okay. It's just not there. And, uh, it's been a while since I've had to deal with this particular issue, but um, it's just not taught it doesn't say that why does it have Jesus' voice? I would think that only Jesus could raise the dead. And then we see Michael, he has the voice of the archangel when he raises the dead. No, it doesn't say he raises the dead. That's out of first Thessalonians. It says that the sound of the trumpet and the dead in Christ will rise.

Okay. Well, doesn't it say like, um, that the dead in Christ will rise? Um, he shall descend with the shout and the voice of the archangel and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Yes, it doesn't. It does not say that the, uh, archangel is performing the resurrection. It just says with a voice of it and the shout that these are things that are simultaneous or very closely connected, you know, consecutively.

Sure. That's what's saying. I'm like, I'm not going to, I wouldn't die on that hill, but it seems like, um, I wonder what they're trying to say with, um, is, uh, him having the voice. I mean, it must have some sort of symbology or something, right?

I mean, or symbolizing something, wouldn't it? I don't know. Well, that's a, it's a big question, you know, and that means just going through, uh, first Thessalonians four, 16 through chapter five, verse two, verse by verse. And what it says there, the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God in the dead and Christ will rise first.

It doesn't say who's performing the action. Okay. Doesn't it kind of seem like it's, um, a throwback to maybe the idea that Moses was resurrected because it says in Jude that like he, um, contends over Moses' body with Satan.

Okay. I'm not sure what your question is and how, why you're, where you're going with that, with it. Well, I'm seeing that thing related to Michael and resurrection, I guess is what I'm saying. Like Jude said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we've already gone over first Thessalonians four and that's the archangel's not performing the resurrection.

It's not the text doesn't teach that. No, I didn't say that. It's obviously Christ.

I'm just saying that he has the voice. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Um, it could be just Christophany in my mind. I don't know. No, Michael, the archangel is not Jesus in the Old Testament, but go ahead.

And we've got callers. Do you think it's the angel of the Lord as well? It is the angel of the Lord though, right? It seems like it would be, but the angel of the Lord is also mentioned in the New Testament. So, uh, but it says an angel of the Lord, but yeah, there's debate on this issue of the angel of the Lord, the messenger of God. So some say it might be a pre-incarnate Christ and, and, uh, you know, can't die in the hill either way, but there you go. Well, yeah, cause he like receives worship or he allows himself to be worshiped.

Unlike the angel in Revelation that says, no, I'm one of the brethren or whatever. And then the other question I had for you was. Well, we have, hold on. We have, we have callers waiting.

I want to get to them waiting a while. Okay. All right, buddy.

Cause we just, Elijah just lit up. All right. I hear you. Okay. Call back on Tuesday. All right.

Okay. Let's get over to Chris from California. Chris, welcome. You're on the air. Uh, Hey Matt.

Uh, first time, uh, caller. Okay. Long time listening. Good. Good. So what's up? Uh, do you recognize my voice? No. Okay. Uh, well I, uh, I've been riding you for a few years now, uh, in Utah prison. And, uh, I I've been out for a few months now. I just wanted to, you know, say hi.

Yeah. I tried calling you. I got your number and I called once and it didn't go through. But, uh, did I, when I was down in Cali, were you in prison? Did we, did I meet you in prison? Uh, no, I started writing you about, uh, two, three years ago. Okay. Yeah. We get, uh, we get mail from, from prisons and, and, uh, and stuff like that.

I did nine years of prison ministry, but, uh, you're out now, huh? Where are you in Cali? With general area? Uh, I live in, uh, uh, about 15 minutes, uh, South of LA. Really? In this place called, uh, yeah.

15 minutes. Yeah. And it's like, it's like, uh, Oceanside. Well, South of LA, maybe not.

That's in Orange County. So, okay. Well, good, man. I'm glad you're out. Well, good. I'm glad you're out.

Praise God. Thank you. Well, good. So, all right, uh, I guess I'll talk to you later then. All right, man.

We'll keep listening and, and, uh, you can always contact us via email. All right. So praise God you're out. All right, man. God bless. Thank you. Okay.

All right. Oh, I'd like to hear, to hear that. I did prison ministry for nine years and, uh, um, it's always great to see you guys get out and follow the Lord.

Nathan from Iowa. Welcome. You're on the air.

Hi, Matt. First time caller, and I just want to say, I really appreciate your insight and I had a question, um, I've, uh, watched, tuned into Jim Swagger's ministry, uh, in life for years and I, uh, I, you know, I, I'm, I, um, I believe he's a talented man and, uh, I don't question his salvation or anything like that, or it just, um, I often hear, uh, the, um, statement of, you know, we believe you're saved in Jesus Christ and you know, um, that he died on the cross for our sins and that he rose from the dead. Well, let me, let me say something really quickly. I don't recommend you listen to Jimmy Swagger.

I recommend you do not. Yeah. Okay.

Thank you. I, I mean, I just want to say, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just wanted to be careful not to, um, come across as I'm seen. Hold on, let me tell you the reason.

The reason is because he was caught with prostitutes two times. I know that, yeah, yeah, I agree with that. And so Reed's disqualified, he's disqualified. Okay, thank you. Okay. So, what I just wanted your opinion on that also. Okay. He's disqualified. So it really doesn't matter. I just think he overemphasizes where he says add to caveat with the evidence of speaking another tongue and I believe in tongues and the gift I just never hear anything about interpretation or you know and I've witnessed yeah it's just I think there's an overemphasis there but thank you that kind of confirmed what I was thinking I appreciate your insight well thanks man and keep listening okay but I can't recommend Jimmy's where I will for that reason yeah okay God bless God bless hey sorry about that Randy from Kentucky call back on Tuesday so Monday is a holiday for the radio won't be on the air then and we're back on live by God's grace on Tuesday we'll talk to you then have a great weekend everybody God bless another program powered by the truth Network