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It was really good too. What was it? You know, when I forget stuff like that, you know, that probably doesn't happen to any of you out there and you're thinking about something. Like I sent myself into the garage yesterday to get something and I'm standing there in the garage.

Why am I here? Yeah, that's, it happens. Oh, well, no big deal. Two open lines. If you want to give me a call. 877-207-2276. Let's just jump on the line and get to Mark from Connecticut. Mark, welcome. You're on the air. Oh, did I hit the right button?

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What's up buddy? Hey, you remember me, Mark Jude Purdon. I'm one of your listeners every day.

Good. I'm glad you are. I'm glad we talked on the phone once. Do you remember?

I called you anywhere. I have a question about Todd White. If he's somebody that's a heretic or I have a friend that's into him and don't listen to him. Okay. Could you give me some information? Do you have anything on calm about him?

Um, no, we don't have anything documented. Uh, but, uh, I've, I've seen some of his videos, I've seen some of the stuff and I remember just shaking my head going, Oh, this guy's horrible. And I forgot what it was. It was, it was a while back, but yeah, I'd stay away from that guy.

And I'll have to write an expose on him and other people in our preachers and teachers section here pretty soon, which hopefully we'll get to get more stuff going pretty soon because we're almost ready with the site. So, yep. Okay.

If the guy wants more information. All right. Thank you. All right, man. God bless. Oops. Sorry about that.

Hey, if you want to give me a call, folks, three open lines, eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Yeah. I was going to say that, um, we've got, uh, basically almost all the articles now done converting from the old site to the new site and we're running a spider on both the old and the new. And then what we're going to be doing is comparing the spidered information and, uh, making some final adjustments. We've got some formatting issues to go and, uh, we hope so. Hopefully it won't be in a day or two, but it might be in a week or two or three, four, five, that kind of thing is what we're hoping. Just depends on how many issues we find because there's always going to be something, but we're getting there.

The goal is to absolutely have it released by the end of the year. So we are making a lot of progress and just letting you guys know about that. Keep, uh, praying to, uh, praying to us like reading something else, praying for us. Okay. And I wish we could appreciate all your prayers.

May the Lord bless you in them. Okay. Three open lines, eight seven seven two, zero seven two two seven six. Let's get to Elisa from Raleigh, North Carolina. Lisa, how are you? Hi, Matt.

Thanks for taking my call. I got a quick question for you. I was watching a video on YouTube today called hanging with Hasidic and uh, it was a Hasidic dude doing a tour of his neighborhood. And I, I thought I heard him say that the role of Hasidic Jews is to usher in the Messiah.

And I wondered if you know anything about that. Yeah, they believe that the Messiah has already come, but right. They believe that the Messiah was not Jesus and that they want to help him come in by spreading whatever it is they got to spread and uh, doing whatever is necessary for the Messiah to come in. They missed him.

They blew it. But uh, that's what they are. They're, they're Jews, very dedicated Jews. So that's it. Do they have any biblical foundation for their belief that they have the ability to usher in a Messiah?

Nope. No, because, okay, because Jesus already came. Jesus is the Messiah. They missed him so they don't have any biblical warrant. Exactly. Well, you and I know that, but I just wonder what their argument would be. Well, I had to talk to some of them and maybe if there's a Hasidic Jew listening, they can call me up and we can talk and they can say, well, this scripture, that scripture, what I find when I talk to Jews is when it comes to the issue of the Messiah, they, the verses in the Old Testament that are very clearly about Jesus, they either reinterpret or they find a slight textual variant in something from someplace some time ago, and then they will focus on that.

Anything they can do in order to get rid of, of who Jesus really was. And uh, so, you know, because a partial hardening has happened to them. So that's why.

Sure. Well, it seems very man-centric. I thought it was very man-centric for them to think they would have a role in ushering in their long awaited Messiah, which obviously they did already miss. So I do pray they'll repent and believe in Christ. That's what they need. Everybody does.

They need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. That's what everybody needs. All right. Appreciate what you do, Matt. Thanks so much. Okay. God bless.

All right. Hey folks, four open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get on the phone with Mike from Connecticut. Mike, welcome.

You're on the air. Hey, Matt. Um, just a quick question for you. Just curious how you respond to, uh, maybe like someone, I haven't dealt with it personally, but I'm kind of just predicting this coming, um, when people talk about socialism and communism, um, and kind of like saying Christians are supposed to be giving and things like that. And socialism is like sharing of our goods with everything. Cause I know the Pope is and all of the other green socialists and everything, they're kind of using environmentalism to push socialism on us and say it's for the greater good of humanity and stuff.

How do you, how do you combat that and go about answering that? Well, first of all, you always want to ask them to define what socialism is. Most people who like socialism don't know what it is.

They do not know what it is. They think that just helping people is socialism. That's not what socialism is. That's not what socialism is. It's not what it is. It's a political and social system of government and rule, which minimizes private property, minimizes private property and rights of individuals. It reduces them. It transfers, uh, power from the people to the government. So imagine a scale, okay.

And the scale is balanced. All right. Um, and let's do capitalism. So in capitalism, uh, in a democracy, in a republic, we're supposed to have a republic.

Okay. This is what we are democratic republic. We're not just a democracy republic. So with what's there, the scale is pretty even of human rights per citizens' rights and governmental power. So it might even be that the, uh, the human rights of people's rights are a little bit heavier than the government. So let's make this as socialism.

Well, then the scale tips in a direction a lot and communism, uh, the, the, it just all the way to the, it's bottomed out the power of the state. So what they don't understand is that in socialism, it's the redistribution of income, the redistribution of property. They want equality in all areas. There's a problem with equality in all areas.

It sounds good. We want equality in opportunity. We want equality in, um, social, uh, abilities. We want equality in, um, governmental economic, uh, areas. So the problem with this is that people are not equal.

People are not equal. Um, I have a friend who can bench press 400 pounds. I can't. He can do it.

Uh, I've seen him do it 13 times in a row. He's stronger. He's stronger. I'm not equal to him in strength. He's not equal to me in Bible understanding.

Okay. I have friends who are better at me than a lot of things, and I'm better than them than a lot of things. We are not all equal in all areas. Now what they're going to say is we want an equal opportunity. Well, you can't have an equal opportunity for everybody.

When you have an equal opportunity for everybody, then you are forcing everybody to have a redistribution of opportunity that is not commensurate with their natural abilities. Some people are better singers like me. I can't sing for anything. I mean, I sounded like a couple of male cats in heat in a blender. That's their fighting was turned on.

That's my, that's me on a good day. Well, you know, I want an equal opportunity for singing. No, it just doesn't matter.

It's not going to work. So when you have the reduction of excellence that different people have, and you, you round off the corner so that everybody's equal with everybody's equal, then nobody's better than anybody. Well, that sounds really great.

Sounds really nice. So that's not reality because in order to have equality among everybody, you have to have a certain group of people that are forcing that equality upon everybody by then taking into the, the abilities and rights and privileges and property and things of some and giving it to others. Well, wait a minute. What gives them the right to force redistribution? That's what socialism is. And the absolute moronic stupid stupidity of the leftist media, which is in cahoots with the leftist Marxist agenda. And I, I absolutely believe that I do because they, they promote, they promote socialism.

They don't say what it really is. Nobody focuses on how socialism has destroyed countries and cultures before they all want this stuff. You know, we'll do it better. We'll do it right.

The arrogance. So anyway, it's a, socialism is a political system in which private property is reduced. Ultimately it is forfeited and the income is redistributed. And in order to do this, you have to have a centralized government. In order to do that, you have to have more government control and the more government control you have, the less private property rights, the less personal control you have.

So it does not encourage private property ownership in businesses, but it prefers to have government ownership and control of everything for the benefit of everybody else. So who's going to be the ones who decide who gets what you know, and the one equality. Now here's another danger of this equality thing. Sorry, you got me going, but this is another danger of equality. I run a ministry. I run a ministry, karm.org, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And um, in our statement of faith, we state state clearly, homosexuality, lesbianism, all this stuff is sinful.

And we state that a proper understanding must be adhered to for anyone to work with karm. If everybody's going to be equal, then I'm not allowed to say that they can't work for me based upon their so called sexual orientation. So what they can do is equalize, so what they can do is equality act, right? The equality act becomes oppression. It becomes oppressive because those who don't agree with them are forced to agree with them and approve of their actions. That means the first amendment and the practice of religious freedom is now going to be trampled underfoot. This is what socialism will bring. And always it leads to the oppression of people, the silencing of people, the confiscation of the property. Also, what's happening within the leftist wacko marxist agenda is they're now developing lists of people who don't agree with the political status quo.

This is what they did in Nazi Germany. Yeah. Oh, I go on.

Sorry, but don't really get me going. So hold on man. If you want, uh, we got a break coming up though. Yeah, sure. I'll hang on.

All right. Hey folks, we have four open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. We'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. Welcome back to the show everybody. Mike, are you still there? Hey, yep. Yeah, I got a lot more I could say here, but uh, you got me going, you know, people get me going sometimes and I got to talk about stuff. Do you have more questions?

Because if you don't, I can jump on this topic for a little bit longer. Uh, no, I mean that was about it. I mean, uh, yeah, that whole topic is just really, uh, disturbing and the doublespeak and everything that they use now is really just like the most nauseating part calling.

So doublespeak from 1984, the novel. Yeah. Yeah.

It's really, it's really sad. But yeah, no, I was just curious what kind of a defending it from the Christian perspective. And I know even, uh, there's a couple of verses in the Bible where it says how, uh, you know, to be a provider for your family and obviously, you know, being an able bodied person and being on welfare and stuff like that is not a Christian value book.

No, it's not. The Bible actually talks about government and there is a biblical form of government. And a lot of people do not know that the pilgrims came over here, they were Calvinists and the pilgrims, they actually developed a biblically based governmental system and it became inculcated to the people and then woven into the constitution. Um, for example, a representative form of government, and this is out of Exodus 18 where Moses instructed the people to select representatives of them to represent their groups in matters to have self governance. This is out of Matthew 18, private property rights out of Exodus 20 and X five, the principle of liberty and freedom out of second Corinthians three, Galatians five capitalist principles. Um, in Matthew 25, Matthew 21, you have, in other words, you have the right to do with your property, whatever you want.

It's yours. Witnesses and fair trial, uh, and dual witnesses and the right of self defense. These are some of the things that are talked about. Just some of the things in the Bible about a governmental system. And so this was, this is why America was so successful.

It's because it's based on biblical principles. But here, right, right. I don't know if you've ever heard this or I've done this before. There's a timeline of Venezuela as it became socialist. So I'm going to read it. Okay.

Cause there's nobody waiting right now. Check this out. In 1992, Venezuela became the third richest country in the hemisphere in 1997 became the second largest purchaser of F one 50 trucks in 1998 Hugo Chavez was elected president through the blip. It's gonna be Bolivarian Bolivarian revolution and brought about a new constitution that brought socialist principles in 2001 Chavez passed laws aimed at the redistribution of land and wealth. That's socialism right there.

Right there, redistribution of land and wealth 2001 the country voted for socialist president and income equality. Now why? Well, because they liked the idea. Everybody likes the idea of getting other people's property and money. So they're going to vote for that. Okay.

Then let's keep going. Private healthcare was completely socialized in 2004 in 2005 Chavez signs decree, a decree to eliminate large estates and removal of private property altogether because the redistribution that he's in control of now has to continue. In 2005 there were stiff fines in prison terms imposed on those in the media who criticize public figures.

Now that wouldn't happen in our place. Well, you know, the three major networks, the hoots, but you know, OAN and now Fox is going left, so we're not going to watch Fox. That reminds you folks. I recommend you get an app on your phone called, um, uh, Oh, conservative news pro conservative news pro. I strongly recommend you get it. You will love it.

It's conservative news pro. All right. We lost him. We have five open lines. If you want to give me a call, folks, eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

I'm going to continue reading this list, but I want you to give me a call. All right. Five open lines, eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. So in 2005, this is in Venezuela, the socialist paradise, right? Chavez signed a decree to eliminate largest states removal of private property and then stiff, uh, prison of a term for the media. In 2006 Chavez shifts buying military equipment from the U S to Russia. In 2007 he announced the key energy and telecommunication companies will be now nationalized.

What does that mean? That means that the government will take over to all telecommunication companies and energy producing companies that they will be the ones, the government will be the ones control how it's done. Remember the government takes more control. You have to understand folks, the increase of socialism is a decrease of your rights to your power. It's the increase of the power of the government.

There's only so many units of power to go around 100 units of power, right? And if it's 80% you and 20% government, okay. If it's 70% you and 30% government, but what happens when it's 90% government, 10% you, this is what socialism does. It shifts the balance of power to the government. We don't want government to be controlling us.

We want to control ourselves. Self governance is what we want. So what Chavez did in 2007 is he encouraged or he demanded, announced that key energy and telecommunications companies will be nationalized. That means that privatized companies will now be wiped out and they take them over. In 2007, all higher education becomes free. Well, who's paying for all this?

See, so far it sounds good, kind of because of redistribution issues, except there's problems. And they started manifesting about them. And in 2007, he also said ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips were supposed to hand over operations and they refused. The key energy and telecommunications companies, right?

Remember you want to do that? And Conoco said, no, we're not going to do that. ExxonMobil, this is our property. And so they got kicked out of the country and then the government then took over their property.

So basically it's theft. 2009 socialists banned private ownership of guns. Now why would they want to do that? Why would the left want to ban guns from the private citizens?

Why? Because then they can't defend themselves and enforce their will on the government. The government has to be the one in control.

The government does. This is what socialism leads to folks. And it eventually leads to communism. Then voters approve a plan to abolish term limits in 2009.

Now why would they do that? It just reeks of corruption. Oh, did I say corruption? You know, like people voting fraud all over the place that you hear today that 2.7 million votes were in that dominion software that were altered by that software in the presidential election. 2.7 million were altered, didn't show up and or were switched.

Well, who would they switch for? This is the kind of stuff you cannot have a democracy or a public work if you cannot trust the elections, it will cause problems at every level. 2012 in Venezuela government enforces price controls on basic goods to battle against inflation. This is exactly the problem. See, when the government starts taking over everything, the efficiency degrades. See, when people are in charge of their own lives, they run their lives more efficiently than an outside organization telling them how to do things, telling them what to do. It's just a simple principle of truth. And so when they kick these companies out of the area, they started taking over their property and starting to run everything. They don't have efficiency. And then because of that, you have inflation on costs.

Then you have to have price controls. The government starts passing laws about that. We've got more coming. I'll finish this up after the break and then we'll get to the callers. Please stay tuned, folks. Hopefully it will be interesting. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to the show. Let me finish up on this bit about the Venezuela timeline. People might be interested in what happened. In 2012, I mentioned already that the government enforces price controls, and that's to battle inflation. In 2012, Bernie Sanders praised the Venezuelan-American dream. That is really scary. In 2014, 28 people died in the suppression of an anti-government protest. So you remember, they took away your guns. So now when the people protest, the government kills them. In 2014, opposition leaders were imprisoned. In 2016, food and healthcare shortages become widespread. In 2017, the Constitution and elections were suspended. In 2019, armed citizens massacred by their own government. In 2018, the UN says that 2 million Venezuelans fled to neighboring countries.

Where are we going to flee to? By the way, I'm just going to say this a little bit, because of COVID, what did our government do? It shut down a lot of stuff. Liquor stores were essential. Casinos were essential, and abortion clinics were essential. What was considered non-essential, schools to educate our children, because even though the virus rarely affects children, churches were considered non-essential.

You can't have singing going on. Churches are being attacked more and more by the media and saying nothing about it. You know what? You can't, apparently, gather to read Bibles, but you can certainly gather to burn them.

And they were starting to release prisoners so that they didn't get the virus. Can you imagine that? This is insanity. If someone wrote a novel, a dystopian novel, and put what happened in 2020 in the novel, would people buy it and say, you're ridiculous?

It would never happen. Yeah. All right, let's get to John from Georgia. Hey, John, welcome.

You're on the air. Yes, sir, how are you doing today, Matt? Doing all right. How are you doing?

I'm good. Hey, I'm just wondering, do you think any form or anything good about socialism, or would you just say socialism, period, is bad and wrong and we shouldn't have it? There are strengths inside of socialism. The concept of fairness.

The reduction of property. They don't want the rich to have great power. Those are strengths within socialistic ideas.

Not a problem. But there's weaknesses, too. Well, more importantly, do you agree with any kind of policies that could be social? Would you say, I believe you said welfare.

Are you for that or against it? I think welfare should be done by the churches, and welfare needs to be very, very carefully done. I understand that people certainly have problems, and you get in an accident, you can't work. You need help.

No problem. And I can see that as occurring. But when it becomes a system that rewards the lazy, that's when it's bad. So when you say welfare, the intent of it is good, the implementation of it is very bad. And that's a fact.

Okay. Because we lost them. So the weaknesses of socialism is that the government owns production and distribution and decides what is best for the majority of people based on the analysis and opinion of those in power. But those in power are not always able to understand the details necessary to run society at large and to be efficient in production and distribution of issues. Look, we're best at running our own lives. You don't want me coming into your home and telling you what you need to do. And I don't want you coming into my home and telling me what I need to do. You run your own life, I run my life. We want the government out of our lives as much as possible so that we can run our own lives. And socialism is nothing more, not nothing more, socialism is largely a government takes everything. It becomes the teat upon which we suckle in order to be fed and comforted.

But it becomes a laborious and evil taskmaster. So that's the problem. Let's get to Just, a wretch from East Coast. Hey, Just.

Welcome, you're on the air. How you doing, Matt? Doing all right. Just smacking on stupidity. Yeah, my question kind of ties in with your thing on socialism and everything. And I say, you know, a lot of Christians seem surprised about the state of our country.

And, you know, all these quote, unquote, Christian socialists, which I think is an oxymoron. But they're so surprised by it, and I say, well, there's evidence for total depravity right there. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. Total depravity being the teaching that we are touched by sin in all that we are, heart, soul, mind and body. And so, yeah, it rears its ugly head in all areas from atheistic to sacred, in all political systems, all social systems and things like that. This is why we need the truth of God's word.

We just need the truth of God's word. And they like to say, you know, capitalism is evil because, you know, it rewards greed and stuff. Greed is going to ruin anything.

Yeah. You can't regulate sin. You can't regulate total depravity. Is greed suddenly exempt from socialism? No one's greedy in socialism or communism?

Of course. When the people say that capitalism leads to greed, well, it does. And what's wrong with me working my tail off and getting a better car than you might have? Is that wrong? I worked hard.

If I get a better car than you, or vice versa, that's your business. So, you know, praise God. Yeah.

Right. I just, I look around and, you know, everybody's all, you know, torn up about what's going on and everybody's all up in arms. And I just, I'm saying, you know, the reformers have had it right for a long time. Total depravity. You're surrounded by totally depraved individuals. What do you expect? You expect them to do the right thing? You expect them to do the good thing? No, they're not going to do the right thing. That is for sure. Yeah.

They're not going to do the right thing. Yeah. Socialist systems become oppressive. And I read recently Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. And I was, in all seriousness, I wasn't looking forward to it.

What is this? I want to read this thing. And I was surprised by how many talking points that the socialists, the leftists are using in the media.

The same talking points that he was raising in the Communist Manifesto. Seriously. It was weird. So.

Yes. I've been reading politics of guilt and pity. And I haven't finished it.

It's a lot. But it explains all of that. You know, these totally depraved souls, they seek a master. They have slave minds. They don't want to take responsibility for their own actions. And therefore, they want to put that responsibility on something bigger than them.

That way they can say, well, it wasn't my fault. I was just following orders. Right. Yep. That's what they said in Nazi Germany. Right. I wasn't going to make that comparison on your radio show, but yep.

But it's true. In fact, my dad was in World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. And so I grew up watching things with him, World War II movies and various things. And so I have a little bit of an interest in that kind of stuff. Plus, I used to live with a guy who was one of Doolittle's Raiders.

When I was very young, we stayed with him and his family. You know, the first retaliatory raid on Japan. And so, you know, I have a little bit of an interest. So I've studied a little bit, just a little bit, the issues of Nazi Germany.

And the same kind of things that the Nazis did to gain power and control people, the left is doing in the media and the government desires. And it's scaring me. It is.

And I'm not the only one who's brought this up. I've done comparisons like that on social media and I get blocked and banned and they shut it down. Yeah, and that's exactly one of the things that the Nazis would do.

I know. I'm shutting down these comparisons that I'm making. They're proving my point. Exactly. That's what they did. They stopped the opposition from voicing an opinion and expressing a disagreement.

They stopped them from doing that. That's one of the tactics of the propaganda machine of Nazi Germany. And this is exactly what's happening here within our society here.

So MeWe is a replacement for Facebook and Parler is a replacement for Twitter. So I'll be moving. I'm going over those anyway. And I'll still use the other ones for the furthering of the gospel the best I can. But I recommend people move over and check these out.

MeWe, M-E-W-E-E, I believe it is, and Parler. Just go check them out and sign them up. I'm on them and do that. And I also recommend people get a conservative news pro app for their phone.

Get the pro version. It's like three bucks or five bucks or something. It's awesome.

It's awesome. So you know what? I believe very strongly that preachers, teachers are supposed to speak about politics, supposed to speak about homosexuality, supposed to speak about abortion. They're supposed to speak about righteousness and truth.

We're supposed to do that. I'm going to read a verse that's a very important verse that we need to know. It's Ephesians 5-11. And this is what it says in Ephesians 5-11. Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them. That's what the command is in scripture. Expose the deeds of darkness.

The deeds of darkness or whatever is in contradiction to the scriptures. All right, buddy. We're going to move along.

God bless. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get on the air with Dave from Raleigh, North Carolina.

You're welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How are you doing? Doing all right, man. Hang in there. What do you got, buddy?

Doing good, man. So my question was about an encounter that I had the other day with a World Mission Society guy, and I didn't know it at the time because he wouldn't tell me who he was with. I had to look it up on his website and then go to your website to figure out what he actually believes because he wouldn't tell me what he believes in his conversation that he was claiming to be spreading the good news is the way he put it. So maybe I can tell you a little bit more about the encounter to get some contact to my question or if you want to. Okay.

All right. So, yeah, the other day, I mean, I work at a gas station, but I was in the parking lot, and I was basically not soft, but he definitely targeted me. I saw him in the parking lot, and then I moved to a different part of the parking lot to work on a different dispenser, which is a diesel dispenser. And he pulled up to it in his sedan trying to be slick, unintended.

And I was literally about to tell him, hey, man, you know this is a diesel pump, right? And then he gets out and hands me this what I thought to be a Bible tract or a gospel tract and says, yeah, I'm here to spread the good news. But then he proceeded to talk about just nothing and say a bunch of religious buzzwords and wasn't really... What's your question then?

Okay. Well, so my question is when they don't, like, when they're trying to talk to you but they don't want to tell you who they are or what they actually believe, like, what do you say to them? Like, how... So that's my question. How do you engage with someone like that? You know, I've met many people like that. They don't want to say what they really are. And generally, people don't want to tell the truth of who they are or what group they're in because they have something to hide.

They're trying to tell them that. I say, well, you're trying to hide something. You know, I'm asking you to give an answer, as 1 Peter 3.15 says, to give an answer to everyone who would ask you.

I'm asking you. So what church do you go to? And generally speaking, when someone wants to go to the church they go to, I say, I'm not going to talk to you. I'm not going to play a game where I have to do, you know, 40 questions to figure out where you're at. And I said, I'm just not going to talk to you.

So if you want to talk to me, what church do you go to? And if you don't want to tell me, we're done talking. And I've done it many times like that. I say, okay, we're done. Bye. And they go, okay, be that way. Okay, fine, bye.

Click. You know, we're done. And we move on. Now, not always, but one of the things you can do is just ask them, well, do you believe that God, there's only one God in all existence, all place, all time? Now, World Mission Society teaches that the Trinity is really an office held by three, in modalism. God changes form. And it teaches there's a mother goddess. And baptism is necessary for salvation.

Other works are necessary. So what you got to do is you're only going to find out. You always want to do this with any group you're not sure about. Ask what their view of God is, what Jesus is, and salvation.

That's it. Start asking questions. Yeah, I did ask them two direct questions besides what organization he was. I asked him, how do I get to heaven? And he wouldn't, well, first, he just pointed to his website and said, go to the website.

And it'll explain it there. And I was like, well, you tell me, how do I get to heaven? And I asked him three times, and he wouldn't directly answer it. And he, well, he just kind of said, well, there's a lot of things that you got to understand and started talking about keeping the law. And so then I asked him, OK, well, you're talking about the law, so do I need to keep the law to keep my foundation? And he gave me more non-answers, basically.

OK. So what you do, you're just doing everything that's right. And he's not answering.

And you just need to call him on the carpet and say, look, you're not answering the questions. And depending on the situation, something like that, I might just say, look, here's what the Bible says. And if you don't agree with what the scripture says, you're lost. You have to believe in what this says. And you quote the verses. That's why I tell people, memorize scripture.

Memorize. But that's what you got to do. You did fine, buddy. All right?

OK. Yeah. I was just, I just felt like I kind of didn't do enough, because there was a point in the conversation where I, well, he started talking about the covenant. And he said that keeping the covenant means keeping the Old Testament law. And I told him, I was like, no, Jesus, he entered the new covenant when he raised the cup and said, this is my blood poured out for the forgiveness of sin.

Technically, yes, no, technically, yes, no. The new covenant is not instituted until the death of Christ. That's Hebrew 7, or Hebrews 9, 15, and 16, and Hebrews 8, 13. So he was typifying what the new covenant was going to be.

It was the new covenant, which is not ratified until he died. OK? So you know.

Yeah, that makes sense. All right. Hey, man, we've got a bunch of callers, so we're going to get going. OK? But you did fine. All right, man? OK. All right. Thanks. Good. Keep it up.

All right. Let's get to Kim from Rural Hall, North Carolina. Kim, welcome. You're on the air.

Thank you, Matt. I'm going to teach you that you are a living being while you're in the womb, and you don't receive your spirit until you take your first breath. I don't understand the question.

What? OK. Are you a living being while you are in the womb, but you are not a spirit being until you receive your first breath, and then that's when the Holy Spirit gives you life? You're alive, and you're a human being in the womb. Are you a spirit being in the womb? What do you mean by a spirit being? What do you mean by spirit being? Let's just say spirit was the Holy Spirit. I don't know if I was in the womb. I know that John the Baptist was, which was certainly possible.

And Jesus was, but we are not. Well, most probably that's correct. Yeah. OK. OK. Well, that was the question. All right. OK, then. Thank you. All right, then. God bless. All right, let's get to James from Raleigh, North Carolina. James, you're on the air. How you doing, sir? Doing all right, by God's grace.

What do you got? Yeah, I had a quick question. You said America became great for not believing in socialism. Great and powerful because they didn't believe in socialism?

No. They became powerful because what they did not believe in, the US Constitution enabled people to work hard, and the minimal involvement of the government allowed progress to occur. That combined with our great resources in this country allowed us to prosper, and undoubtedly, and I will be the first to admit it, there's a lot of atrocities that occurred by a lot of people. I kind of disagree with that.

I'm not a socialist, and I'm not really a conservative either. I believe in a balance, but I know an ideal world that can't be a balance. I know that, but I kind of disagree a little bit on that. I think America became great, I mean, basically, to be honest with you, off the backs of chalice slavery. Maybe, at least the South did, but what about the slavery, the enslavement of the Chinese, and did you also know that there were something like 200,000 white people who were enslaved also in America? Did you know that? No, no, no, blacks, it has nothing been close to the evil of black slavery in America.

That's right, it was bad. The Jews in the temple, blacks were brought from, basically, mostly the west coast of Africa against their will, and you had many thousands of slaves jumping over the wall. I understand this, I understand this, I understand this, I understand this, I know about this, and it was an atrocity chattel. But you can't clear Chinese slavery. I'm just telling you, hold on, hold on a sec.

Okay, goodbye, sorry, just got a little upset, I don't like that, I don't like it when someone won't listen. Now, I'll say it again, the black slavery was a travesty, it was wrong, it was not done in the name of truth, it was done in the name of oppression. There were also Chinese and whites, though to a far lesser degree, who were also enslaved. We can't just say it's only the blacks that were abused, because everybody was. The Mexicans were also abused, the American Indians were also abused.

Who did this? It certainly wasn't the Christians who'd go around and use the Bible as actual Christians, because the Bible doesn't teach this kind of thing, it doesn't teach this. So, you know, there's a lot to be said, it's a lot to be said, it's a touchy subject, but what we need to do, and what needs to be done in America is, the past needs to be forgiven and moved past, because you do not build for the future by tearing down the present because of the past. A lot of things were done wrong in the past, but a lot of things were done right. There was a lot of progress made, and it wasn't just because of the slaves in the South. The North didn't participate to that extent at all, that's what I understand in my studies.

So, the prosperity of the North was greater than that of the South. And then there was a, you know, bloodshed to free the slaves. So, you know what, what needs to happen in this country is that we need to remember something. You know, let me tell you, we've all been assaulted, we've all had things happen in our past. If something happened to my ancestors five generations ago, and someone five generations ago was mistreated, I'm not going to hold that against some people group, I'm not going to go and attack the people group and say, you need to pay me money, you need to give me this, you need to give me that because of what happened from your ancestors five generations ago.

They had nothing to do with it. See, this kind of a thing just breeds contempt, and it breeds jealousy, and it breeds resentment. And what we need to have is the ability to forgive and to forget. The Bible says in Ephesians 4 31, let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to another, tender hearted, forgiving each other.

That's how it's supposed to be. And what upsets me is when people start bringing up things that happened hundreds of years ago and then make demands on people for that now, that is doing the opposite. It is remembering bitterness, it is remembering wrath, it is remembering anger, and it's causing more problems. Yes, there were atrocities everywhere. My ancestors, my ancestors were mistreated as well.

And you know what? Personally, I was mistreated. I moved 26 times before I was 12 years old, I got all kinds of stories, but I forgive and you move on. You have to, you live in the past, you're going to live like the past. Okay, if you live in the past, you're going to live like it was in the past. All right, folks, move forward. Hey, folks, we'll be right back, oh no, you won't, we'll be back tomorrow. By God's grace, we'll talk to you then, we'll see you. God bless, bye.