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Info at C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. and we can get to everything you need. We can do all kinds of stuff. Had an interesting call today. And um So, a friend of mine from San Diego used to live in San Diego for years.

There's uh a gentleman. who uh young young believer And we talked on the phone today. I'll give you generics and stuff like that. And it raised some interesting issues, raised some good stuff I thought worth discussing. There are things called deliverance ministries.

And we're talking about some of that deliverance ministries, where a lot of times they will, someone who has this word of knowledge, word of wisdom, they can. to say they they know stuff. And what they'll do is sometimes They'll say, well, you have a spirit of whatever it is. a demonic presence of. And in order to break it, We have to do a deliverance.

And a lot of times what they'll do is say that That the means of deliverance is well casting out demonic forces. From From the actual individual, from the Christian, supposed to be a Christian who's possessed. And some people, they're smart, and they say, no, you can't be possessed by demonic forces if you're Christian. And then what happens a lot of times Is people will say, Well, your spirit is not possessed, but your soul is. or your soul is not possessed, and your spirit is.

And this gets into what's called trichotomy, which is not bad. But uh some people misuse certain theological uh possibilities. And then they they um They do stuff like this. And then it puts people under bondage a lot of times, fear.

Well, am I really a true Christian? Have I got these demonic things in me? And it puts them under Confusion. And then the deliverance individual who knows stuff, who's knowledgeable. will then guide them and what They need to do.

Well, often what happens is the people who are subjected to this. become Worse off. Because the deliverance individuals often are manipulative. as well as just simply Unbiblical. And so what happens a lot of times, I think, Sometimes it can lead to demonic oppression.

And There's a technique. in manipulation. where what you do is you say, uh let's talk about your past. And you talk about your past. And the various struggles you've had.

And once they've the deliverance minister, male or female, has identified something in your past it can latch on to.

Well, you had this problem, that means you have a demonic attachment. We've got to go through things to get them out of you. And this kind of stuff happens.

So you might confess a certain sin. Oh, there you go.

Now they have knowledge of your personal life, your personal sins, and they're the ones in control on how to get delivered. This is manipulation. It's a cult tactic. It doesn't mean all I'll talk about legitimate deliverance ministries, but there's a cult form and cult tactic that's like that in Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses. And even some aspects of Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholicism in.

How they want to control you. Instead of pointing straight to Jesus as the deliverer, straight to Jesus as the Savior. It's something else. It's the church, it's the prophet, the prophetess, the true church you've got to go through. And they do stuff.

And. What are deliverance ministries?

Well, often the individuals will use themselves as the one who is the deliverer. You got to go to that person. For control of that person. for deliverance instead of the church. as a deliverance.

uh the the prophet or prophetess as the deliverer. It's similar stuff, and I've seen this for years and years.

So What do you do about this?

Well, first of all, before we get into that, are there legitimate deliverance ministries? Of course, there are. I don't know of any, but I'm sure there are. Let's just say hypothetically that someone came to me and says he thinks, he or she thinks that there's a demonic attachment, maybe a generational curse, or maybe something else, and we just talk. And we find out that the person really is a Christian.

You know, you can't read their hearts, but okay, they're a Christian. And what do you do then?

Well, it's not that bad. It's not that hard. It's not that difficult. There's different things we could talk about here. One of them, I would say, is you have the elders.

Hopefully, you have good elders at your church. and that you talk to the elders about this kind of a thing. And that's always a good thing if you're going to a church. And But I've found sometimes that a lot of elders don't know what to do. and art sure how to proceed.

That's okay. I should write an article on deliverance ministry stuff, how to do things. And We have to understand we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities and darkness.

So Mm. I'd say go to the elders, talk to the elders. If they're trustworthy elders, good elders or knowledgeable elders are not going to get all weird if you think something that might be happening. And they should be, okay, well, let's talk about it. And they find out.

This is the basic thing you do. And if you don't have access to the elders, you don't trust them, let's just say, maybe it's too personal, whatever. There's just all kinds of variables. Then, what should happen is if the elders do get involved, or if they don't get involved, you get into a prayer mode. and you ask people.

that you trust to pray for you. And you don't have to give them all the details. If you have good friends that you trust, you say, Look, I'm going through something and I don't want to give specifics, but I'm going to ask you to pray for my spiritual health and protection. Let's just say something generic. And uh You might say, you know, just ask that you pray for, you know, for the Lord to send angels to battle in the spiritual realm over me.

And that's fine. And people say, no problem. And you say, I don't want to get into too many details. I'm just going to ask for that kind of prayer. And that's okay.

And that's fine. The elders could do that. You have friends that could do that. And the person who suspects that he or she may be under some demonic oppression, I recommend that as well. But also.

What you do is You um You confess, you talk to the Lord, you spend time in silent or verbal, doesn't matter, prayer. with God, you spend time with them. And you discuss this with God. You say, Lord. I suspect that that this might be the case.

I suspect this and this and that and that. You lay stuff out. He already knows everything. And you're verbalizing it, not because you have power in the words and you create your own reality. No.

It's because you're just talking to God, and it's between you and the Lord. Not Mary. not Saint Joseph. Or Pope Bob. It's, you know, you go to Jesus.

And You talk to him about what you think might be the case, what might be the issue. And you ask him to reveal to you any doors. That might be Opened. Accidentally or Opened. where there could be A venue of demonic activity that's allowed.

So let's say, for example, that. that there's a a Christian man who is backsliding. and he's getting into some stuff he should not be getting into. Maybe drugs. Maybe he's struggling a little bit with his old life or watching things he shouldn't be watching or whatever it is, okay?

And it's getting it's getting into be a real problem. These kinds of things are doors. in that they can open you up to a spiritual oppression. Also, another thing is objects that people have given you.

Now, I'm not saying every object someone's given you, every gift is an attachment to demonic fortunes. I'm not saying that. But sometimes these are the cases. And so let's say you have a Mormon friend. who's given you a gift.

Well, yes, it's a gift.

Okay, Frank. Thank you very much.

Okay. But let's just say when that gift is given, that all of a sudden weird things start happening around the house. It could be an attachment there because, you know, Mormonism is not Christian. They preach with a false God, false Christ. They have everything.

It's a false gospel.

So. Yeah. You know, you might want to then take that object, put it outside, or pray over it and see.

Now I know this is uh legit.

Okay, I know that objects can have demonic attachments. And so, I'm not saying all the gifts, I'm not saying all the gifts from Mormons are like that or Catholics. I'm just saying, these are just the possibilities. You've got to think about them. And you pray over things, you pray through things, and you just, in your life with God, you talk to Him.

You You confess your sins, you ask for cleansing, you ask for protection. And you do this kind of a thing. And I call uh there's a factor of this, I call it phasing. To faith, okay, to have faith on an ongoing cognitive. deliberate trust.

I call it faithing. Where you decide to trust God beyond your ability to understand. You decide to trust Him. You say, Lord, I don't understand how it all works. I choose to rest in you.

Because of who you are. And in your prayer, you can do that. And let's just say, I'm skipping a lot of stuff, but let's just say that. Uh things get worse. It could be because you're stirring a spiritual pot.

And the bad forces don't like it. You just keep up what you're doing. You keep praying through and you ask people to pray for you, and it'll break. It'll break, it'll end. And And you move forward.

And one of the things is when you ask God to reveal to you any doors. Doors that might be in your life, your heart, physical, whatever it is, family members, you just ask God to reveal them to you and to deal with them. appropriately. And these are the kinds of things that need to be done or need to be talked about from the pulpit. of what to do.

Because there's a lot of people out there who have experiences and they don't know what to do. They're not sure how to take care of things. They're not sure how to pray through things.

So One of the things you can do also, and I've talked about this on the show before. is you can take some oil. And if you're praying for somebody else, you can anoint their head with oil, just a little bit of oil. Not like pouring it all over their head, but you know, a little bit on their fingertips, and just put her ha your hand on their head. You pray over them.

It's It's not a spiritual, powerful oil. Oh, you know, just send five dollars into carm veteran. You get the carm oil. No, nothing can make you. It's just the issue of faith.

There's the anointing of the person or object. for holy use. You you can do that. Also, a person, if you think there's something going on in the house, you go around and you just very lightly, you know, just I'd like to do this, is go around all the rooms, all the doors, everything. and just pray out loud while you're anointing everything in the house.

Everything, every room. Closets, toilets. The garage, everything, the boundaries. And that's what I've done before. My wife, Uh I asked her once uh years and years ago to take the kids.

and go do something. But for an hour, hour or two. because they were saying in the house that they were seeing things. And, you know, once or twice, whatever. But it started happening to the point where she and I both agreed: okay, something's going on because of the ministry I do.

You know, there's an attraction of forces. And so I did the house, I prayed, and then after that, it was done. We had no more problems and no more issues. The kids didn't say anything. Were they sing things or not?

I don't know. For you to see, this kind of stuff is what we deal with as Christians. That was a quick and slick, kind of a low-level intro to this. And Pod, you might be interested in that. If you want to give me a call, please do.

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So something interesting here. I was during the break Going through some of the emails I'm going to get to, you know, just some email answers. And uh, Somebody from Ethiopia wanted to know if we could Translated my articles. I said, sure. I just wrote it back.

The next one. Says hello, I've heard of A few false teachers, typically in the charismatic movement, speak of bloodline curses. I don't believe it to be biblical, but I'm not sure how to refute against uh it. Any insights would be helpful.

So interesting that the same kind of a topic just came up. I'm going to continue with this a little bit. I don't know if it's interesting, if you think it's interesting. I'd like to know if uh you want to hear uh this kind of talk. I can get into this more deeply.

I used to be involved in the occult. I've seen things. literally seen manifestations back in the day. And uh it it's no joke.

So it's real and we have some interesting stories about our family. and stuff in history.

So You know, if you think this is interesting, I want to know if you think it's interesting. I need some feedback. You know, it might be a good idea to have a Where they could do that. Have a feedback button on Carm for the radio. for topics that you want to see and uh Or I could just say go, you know, to I think that'd be interesting.

We used to have a feedback button on the home page. But uh we don't any more. Let me just check that really fast. I think we took that's right, we don't have that anymore.

So I do want to know. I see, I always want to know what the audience wants to hear. I'm not going to tickle your ears though, but I want to know what kind of things you're interested in. And maybe I'll do something like that, work on a feedback idea. Feedback radio thing.

Okay, making a note. Anyway, so the idea of bloodline curses. What is a bloodline curse?

Well, it's not a biblical term. And we don't know if it's a biblical concept.

However, there are those. Who will say that there are generational curses? And there is some support of this kind of a thing, for example, from Exodus 20, verse 5. I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children on the third and fourth generations of those who hate me.

Now those are for those who are haters of God. that there's going to be curses and problems that go down to the generations.

Now there's theological discussion on what that means. Is it an actual spiritual attachment? Or is it the consequences of their sin manifest, generationally speaking? Or is it a combination of both?

So we don't know for sure because the Bible doesn't tell us for sure. That's as close as we can get to the idea of what we might call a generational curse.

However, In Ezekiel 18, 20, It says the person who sins will die. The Son will not bear the punishment of the Father's iniquity.

So when we look at Exodus 20 verse 5 The cursing that goes down to the generations. That's for those who are the unbelievers. And that there seems to be a spiritual effect that goes down the line. Because if you have a father who becomes an atheist, And hates everything about God and teaches his children that way, they generally will come into that kind of an attitude as well. And be haters of God as well, and the problems arising with it can follow the the generation.

So that's one understanding of it. But we don't want to say that the children are punished for the sins of the father in that sense. We don't want to say that.

So it's a fine line to work between and get through.

So But Galatians 3.13 states something that's really interesting. He redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. The curse of the law in Exodus 20. Of the curse that goes down to the generation, if it's interpreted that way. is no longer in effect for the Christian.

If you have died with Christ, Romans 6:6, or crucified with Christ, Romans 6.6, you're died with Christ, Romans 6.8. Then the law has no more power over you. That's Romans 7:4.

So Galatians 3.13, Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. having become a curse for us.

So Galatians 3.13 is very helpful. In that That it would make the sense to say that if you become a Christian, if you suspect any generational kind of curse, I'm being very generic. We've got callers coming in now. If you suspect something like that, do what I said before the break and even praying. But we don't have to worry about that because we're under the blood of Christ.

We're no longer. under the curse of the law, and those curses along the The children's children is in the Old Testament law.

So you see, we're set free from it. There shouldn't be any attachment like that at all. Galatians 3:13 is very helpful. Let's get to Peter from Texas. Peter, welcome.

You're on the wor on the air. Hey, thank you, Matt. Um, thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to ask about The uh deliverance ministries Um I've had personal experiences with those in my family. Um and then bit to a few myself.

Um I mean, for for ISO like you, I believe that uh the gift of the holy spirit um can be um seen today. Um however, I would be open but cautious. Um And it's not something that I would necessarily focus on. Um but I just wanted to see if I could get your comments on Deliverance ministries in particular. Yeah, I think most of the ones that I've encountered or heard of are damaging and not very well theologically.

grounded because the people who do it seem seem Most of them that I've encountered and talked to seem to develop. Out of necessity and/or experience, and are not really digging into the scriptures about it.

So I've seen this kind of a thing a lot. But it doesn't mean that they're all bad. We can have some people very knowledgeable and very biblical and can be very helpful. But the most that I've heard Is that they're they're damaging.

So I don't know what experience you had. but or know about them, but that's what I I understand about him. Righty.

Well, I mean, real quick experience that my aunt had actually, she she has a business. She's had that since she was um you know, a team and she's now in her Late sixties, and she had gone to a deliverance ministry event. Um When she was a teenager, and you know, that did not go well for her to not sort of, I guess. Mm-hmm. Start cheap.

She tried, she tried again and Since then, really she's um rejected God, rejected Christianity because of that and that.

So Like you said, it can be damaging. Yes, this is one of the other deleterious effects of deliverance ministries.

So yep. There's also a psychological I talked about it in the first part of the show a psychological damage that could be done when a deliverance individual asks questions about someone's past, finding emotionally charged Bad things they've done, and then start speaking about it, it causes an emotional. Uh trauma. a lot of times. And then they use it and say, hey, you've got this demon with you.

And it can be just devastating.

So, this is why, like I say, the most of them I've heard, very damaging. Very damaging, make things worse. Most of them I've heard of. Yeah. Okay.

Well, thank you for your thoughts on that. It just kind of confirms my position on things as far as that goes. Thank you, Good. Right, brother. God bless, Peter.

Thanks, man. All right, that was Peter from Texas. Let's get to the next longest waiting person is Ken from North Carolina. Oh, Ken, hey, there's a break. Oh, sorry about that, brother.

Hold on, Ken. We'll get right back to you after the break. And then we'll get to Luke from Washington, D.C. And we'll be back. Have these messages.

Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get on back on air with Kent from North Carolina.

Kent, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Mac, how you doing, buddy? We meet back up again. Oh okay, Kent.

What do you got, buddy? Hey man, uh you've been bobbing you have been bobbing with you. Uh yeah. Uh, can we go to Malachi Wood? Malachi?

Okay. What about okay, Malachi? Yeah. Here. It's talking about this The Israelites that were at Zion.

That to the folk out of Israel.

Now, when we talk about this chapter right here. when we're talking about this chapter right here on the uh On the Hebrew Israelites. What are they talking about? The Jews or the Israelites? I have to read it to see when you say Jews or the Israelites.

I noticed that phraseology.

Okay. Now in there, you know, Jacob I love Esau, I've hated.

So go to the chap here, man. Man, the original version of the King James Version reads a little bit different than my version here. Uh, the version I got here: the burden of the word of Yahweh to E. Yeshua. by Mashiet.

I have loved you, says Yahweh. Yeah, you just don't know. What version are you using? What version? Other bars.

That's the visual version, right? The divine seafood that goes goes with the name Yahweh. No, no, no, no. What's the name? No, no, no.

What's the name of the Bible version you are using? The divine safe front CEP. That's no good. What are you doing using that thing? Josh, you know what?

Look, I'm gonna tell you. Look, dude, you know what you're doing, man. You don't know what you're doing. That is not a good collection. The guy didn't have any training who put this together.

He doesn't understand Greek, he doesn't understand Hebrew. The only reason you guys use it is because it happens to support what you want to believe.

Well you have no business using that thing. But I'm saying, what name will they use?

Well, the question I'm asking right here. You don't hear what I say. You don't hear what I say. You have a faulty version to begin with. It's like being a Jehovah's Witness that uses the King, I mean, the New World Translation.

I say, don't use it, and you just ignore it and keep going. It It's so different in the reading though, uh uh th though, uh, Mac. It's it's just different than the name. It's don't go with Lord and God. I don't tell for Lord and God 'cause those are not those are not my titles.

Look, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. I don't want anything bad to happen.

Okay, I get a question. I just want to get ahead of stuff here. I don't want anything bad to happen to you. But if you were to go meet the Lord right now, if you're dying to meet the Lord, I'm not wishing any harm on you. I'm just saying.

If you where would you go? Heaven or hell? Yeah. Why? On what basis?

Oh, his name, Yahushua. Why would you go to heaven? What's the reason? I've got my fingers on my keyboard and my right here. What are the reasons?

Give me the reasons you would go to heaven. What? I want to hear a list. At Ford Holman, let's go at Ford with all of them. No, her name and her name.

I wish man may be saved. Yeah. Okay, so, yeah. That's the only way you can be saved. Salvation is through that Romans 10 and 9.

Let's go to Romans 10 and 9. Romans 109, upon the Hebrew version. Romans 10 version version. No, no, don't. But just tell me, what things you got to do?

You have to be baptized? Do you have to what? Pronounce the r the name of God properly? What? I think there will be nobody don't misunderstand.

Romans 10 9 says right here. This is the true version right here. If you shut them fast, Will fill my Badane Yehoshua and said, Believe in your heart. That's not what it says. That's not what it says.

Then you are saved, other than you cannot be saved. That's what it says. That's not what it says. See, this is the problem. You have a cult.

book you're using. It's a non-Christian cult book. It's false. It's not what it says. What God are you talking about?

I go to the Greek. Because that's what the early church used. That's what God ordained to be spread all over the Mediterranean area. Not some Hebrew thing that you got later on, hundreds of years later, from a false guy, the Cefer collection. It's just, man, I'm telling you, dude, you are so off base, man.

You're so off base. You're on the moon. You're not even on Earth anymore. Body. One minute, Mr.

Matt, Mr. Matt, Mr. Matt. Huh? Do you know who they Do you know?

That Yahuwah, who he spoke to? He spoke to the Hebrew Israelites. He didn't speak to the Adamites. He spoke to them. He didn't speak to the heathen nations.

He spoke to the He spoke to the Hebrew Israelites, sir, at Mount Sinai and told them to go to the altar. You're not listening to anything I say. Look, this is one of the things of a cult. It's one of the things I notice in cults. I'll tell them something, they don't even react to it.

They just ignore it and keep going on. It see, when you don't know how to think critically, You just repeat what you've been told. You ignore comments from others. You ignore it, you just go on. That's a cult It means your your mind is is uh is captured by cult techniques and cult thought.

See, if I say something, I'm gonna react to it.

Well, then could it be you? Because you considered as Adamite, what would be the Malachi one? You know, the people in life is. I'm not an Edomite just because I'm white. No, you guys You guys say Edomites are the white people.

I don't affirm that. Nothing in the Bible says that. I mean, what are you guys getting this? Out of Cracker Jack boxes? You know, little statement, little cor torture cookie stuff?

You up on the East Sauce Seeds. Don't deny your heritage. We up on the same sea, but you're up on the East Saw Sea. You know what it is. Come on now.

Don't try to play games. We got games in there. We're all brothers and sisters, but you're up on the East Sauce Sea. You know who your daddy is? My my daddy now Myth now Nick, do you disagree or agree?

Do you agree that we upon the uh uh uh uh there either two things we upon the myth or truth and you upon the myth? No, you are the man you agree? No, you're you're the one who's lost. You're on your way to hell. How am I going to be lost if I'm a Hebrew Israelite?

I'm telling the truth. Hebrew Israelite stuff is a cult. It's a cult. You know what? Is that Christian?

Yeah, I know what a Christian is. And I'm telling you, man, you're in a cult. Dude, you're in a cult.

Okay. It's false. Do you know Christians are Christians and Catholics? Do you know what a Christian is? Christians are liars.

Okay, so You go with a divine Sefer, which is a pseudo-translation motivated by black Hebrew-Israelite beliefs. That's all it is. No, it's the truth. No, it's not. Oh, it's not.

The Greek New Testament is the truth. What biblical text? No, no, no. What biblical text? No, no, I want you to do small work.

I want you to do some more work. I want you to find the biblical texts, the manuscripts that you think are true. Was it? Alexandrinus. What are the biblical manuscripts that you have?

Because if you start studying this, you're going to find out that your boy. Who did uh The the divine Cefer. Man, he did not have all his paws in a litter box. I don't know why I I know all the truth has been he is because when you change names, you change identity. That's my favorite.

No, you don't. Look, puedo la respoño un poco. Sio estoy un other countries. For example, Colombia minimum. See, I just said if I'm another country And I tell them my name is Matteo.

I'm going to say Matteo in Spanish and I'm going to speak their language. I'm going to use Matteo. My name is Matthew. In Spanish it's Matteo. It just because she has different different pronunciation doesn't mean it's not the same name.

Translation? Translation, you know what a translation is? Translations is a written tris translations are from one written language to another written language. And interpretation is a spoken language to a spoken language.

Okay. Okay, let me ask one other question.

Okay, we've got a break coming up, and now we're going to move.

Okay, so why didn't why why when uh the slaves came to America, why was names changed? I don't know. I don't know. I wasn't there. Yeah.

Well, how the name changed? That's the same way. I just said that black man to a white man and changed the name to from a black to a white man. Come on now, let's tell the truth now. That's a lot to the people.

Truth is telling the truth.

Well, I don't know why. I can guess on things they've changed because maybe they couldn't pronounce how to write those things. They just gave them different names. I don't know. Maybe.

What's that got to do with anything? Maybe. You said maybe? Yeah, I don't know. I I don't know.

Maybe a doubt. Maybe it's doubt. Can it be that you're lying? Because I'm the Hebrew Island and he fucked. No, not knowing, not knowing something doesn't mean I'm lying.

It just means I don't know. I haven't studied how the name changes went from the African slaves in America or any other country. I just haven't studied it. You know why? Amen.

There's the break.

Okay, there was a break. We're going to move along, Kent. You gotta move along. Pigeon, your pigeon's a false guy, and your divine seeper is a false book. We gotta go.

You do some research, call back, okay. All right, man. Woohoo hoo. Hey, I enjoy that stuff. We'll be right back after these messages.

Please, stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. Let's get on the air with Luke from Washington, D.C.

Luke, welcome. You're on the air. Hi, uh Matt I Hey, I haven't heard from you in a while. I'm okay, by God's grace. Thank you.

How are you? Good, good, good by the grace of God. Good.

So my question is, what is the difference between neo Calvinism and the traditional Calvinism, neocalvinism by Kuyper. Abraham Caper. Yeah, it's from the nineteenth century, eighteen hundreds.

So It's a Neo-Cal neo-Calvinism was a And it's good in that it develops a comprehensive view. of the reformed faith that needs to be uh confessional So in Belgic Confessions has what's called the three forms of unity. Uh the Belgic Confession, which is the true faith, I think and what's the other one? Uh no, it's no, sorry. The Belgic uh Confession, Heidelberg and Canons of Dort.

And they affirm the three forms of unity. It's a theologically very astute, very good. Uh system Of understanding how we are to relate to God and to society, in governments, in social structures, church, etc.

Okay? It's very good. It's a worldview, worldview, cultural worldview, formation of reform perspectives.

So, did you write anything about this neo-Calvinism? Did you have any? Let me see if I have. We go in here. I got so much to work on.

Neo-Calvinism. And uh No, I don't have it.

So I'll put it in my list of of more articles to write.

Okay. They get a lot of free lot of stuff. Mm-hmm. Okay. Does that help?

Okay, does that help? Yeah, I have to research about it, you know. It's a new book. Uh called Neo Calvinism by Abraham Kuyper. Yeah.

He's very well ref known in the reformed circles, very s very intelligent man. very intelligent. very competent in his ability to communicate.

So uh Yeah, you can learn a lot from Kuiper.

Okay. Worth reading. I think that the Palm Theological Seminary has a class about neo-Calvinism. one semester or two semester class. I just heard about it, and that's why I ask you.

Yeah, it might be a lot of fun. Yeah. And uh You know, Reformed theology, a lot of people don't know, is very, very deep. very, very comprehensive. If you read what's called the Presbyterian Divines, they were in the 1800s, well, 1516s, 100s, basically, excuse me.

And like John Owen. These guys, oh my goodness, their knowledge, their humility, their spirituality, which is on another level. They're very godly people. worth looking into.

Okay. Presbytery uh sorry, what is that what kind of divine? They're called Presbyterian Divines. You get to go to Google and type in who are the, I'll do it right now: Prez, Baterian, Divines. And uh right in here.

There we go. and see what it says, okay? Uh The Presbyterian Divines, specifically the Westminster Divines, were a group of over 100 theologians, pastors, and scholars appointed by the English Parliament to reform the Dutch uh Church England. And some of these guys in there were incredibly uh brilliant, uh very, very uh godly people. But you can read like Jonathan, John Edwards.

Jonathan Edwards, John Owen, these are. Wishert, Fleming, these are some of these guys back in the day. that uh would pray, for example, for hours a day. Yeah. when you read some of the stuff from these guys, you're like, ooh So that's what it means to be spiritual.

Ah, I didn't know. That's how good they were.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right.

Well, God bless.

Okay. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276, John from Colorado. Welcome here on the air. Hi, Matt. All right.

So what do you got? I really appreciate their work throughout the years.

Okay. Thank you. You taught me so much. By God's grace.

Okay. So what do we have? Yeah. The topic going to church.

Okay. It's a very important thing. Yes. But the people in the church Well, they don't seem to like him very much. And it's important that the pasture uh does his duty Intelligence.

and teaches the congregation without obstruction.

Okay. So if I come in for congregations, and I'm somehow some kind of interruptions or distractions Wouldn't it be better if I'm not there? Damn. Um depends.

Okay. If you are are a distraction. I can't tell you if you are or not. If it's you who has the problem, and you're causing problems with the fellowship. and spirituality of others.

Then it'd probably be better you weren't there. But I don't know if that's the case.

Well, let's say I'm a young, very good-looking man. And I'm a believer. But then the church is signed all of a sudden. to bring in these young vulnerable women. from some sort of care home or shelter or something.

and presents a temptation for me to be involved I mean, wouldn't it be better if I just wasn't in there? I think at this point, you should be talking to the elders about some spiritual maturity issues.

Okay. Wall. Not just that. but disagreements about political A financial insight. Then two economic and political uh situation in the our society in general.

And I bring up these disputes. And now I'm distracting them from their purpose. Don't do it. Then why do it if you know you're distracting them?

Well, if I if I'm gonna do that, It'd be better if I'm not there, I'd say. If you're gonna do it, it's better if you how about it how about it's better if you don't do it? Just go there, but don't be a problem. it's hard not to be a problem. Oh, you mean you can't hold on.

Are you saying you can't control yourself? They're saying that you go, and you're a problem, and you know it. and you can't help it and so you're gonna be a problem anyway. Is that what you're saying?

Well, not exactly.

Well then what is it? But eventually, sure, I'm growing up and I do it less over time. as I realize that that's what's happening.

Okay, then you're gonna one of the things I would recommend that you do. This is going to sound very simplistic, it may not even make sense to you, is study body language. You do two things. Uh you study body language. And you learn and people don't want to hear what you have to say.

You watch their body language. How they blink. what they do, you know when to stop. You might have a condition. You know, you might have Asperger's, you might have some other thing, you're not aware, and you don't know when to turn the valve off.

Body language helps you read other people so that you can do that.

Okay. I know. I have Asperger's myself. and had to learn this over the years. There's ways to work to things.

You might want to consider going going to see a psychologist. Yeah. so they can work through some issues. And you need to be praying and asking God to give you wisdom on what to say and not to say, and how to be a help in the body of Christ. Instead of something that seems to be what you're saying is some somebody that's distracting and causing problems.

And you've got to learn how to get over that. You've got to learn how to stop that. I guess my uh main point is The Bible does tell us to not forsake the gathering of ourselves again. That's right. Hebrews 10.25.

That's right. Right, John.

So I still say It's important. Yeah. If I'm gonna be this. distractions. I'm going to hinder these people.

the pastures. and his congregations. Uh It'd probably be better if I'm not around. If you can't control yourself, if you can't control yourself and you are a distraction and you're being harmful in the church, then maybe it is a good thing that you don't go. But I think that what you need to do is learn how to control you know control yourself.

Well, it's not just me, right? We're all there together interacting with each other. But you see, we've had conversations before, and I've noticed something about you. Is that I'll give you feedback, and you really don't respond to the feedback. You just kind of move on to something else because you're more concerned about your own relationship, your own this.

You're rather, how do I say this? you're more geared towards interreflection. And what you need to do, and how to be around all those, and how they and you don't get along. And so you wonder what you can do. And this is not loving.

Love is outer-centered. God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son, and He laid your life down for others. You need to switch. from self-introspection so much. And then verbalization of that to the issue of how to be loving and kind.

And that'll change your mind, it'll change your attitude.

Okay. I'm not a psychologist.

Okay, but it could be helpful.

Okay. I've been through a lot. I got I've got a word of advice. I think you should follow that advice. Yeah.

It's other-centered. How can you help others? How can you serve others? Not. I go in, I have a problem, girls come in or temptation.

I am this. I bring up these things, I bring up this problem, blah, blah, blah. They don't like me. What's the center? You.

The center is you. That's a problem. The center needs to be the Lord Jesus. and when you love him, you'll learn how to love others. And you'll do several things at once.

You'll glorify God, and you'll start to change. It's not easy. You make lots of mistakes. You study body language because I don't think you know what that is. I think you need to know it.

Because it'll tell you when people don't want to hear what you have to say. because sometimes it's just a fact. that what we are can be boring and irritating. People could just R sometimes. That's how it is.

So, you need to learn this all the more.

So, in social situations, you make fewer mistakes. And you need to learn how to be loving. Other centered. And learn how to change your ideas and your mind and everything to be Christ-centered.

Okay, that makes sense. But the point is, you still say I should go to church. There you go. I think you should go to church. And I think if you do go to church.

Don't be a problem. sitting in the back. Be by yourself, Ask God to teach you in that situation. And that you go if you're causing problems. Don't do it.

You can be there without causing problems. If you can't be in a church without causing problems, then you have a serious problem. Look, man, we've got thirty seconds on the show. We had thirty seconds, okay?

Well this is my point. or go to church. or gut problems, go there, deal with it. Learn how to act. And go.

Church isn't a thing to teach you that. The scriptures are and you focus on Jesus. How do you glorify the Lord Jesus in what you do and you say? Turn your eyes off of yourself. Get them on the Lord Jesus.

That's what you need to do. All right.

That'll move you to spiritual maturity.

Okay, brother? All right.

Right now. Hey folks, sorry about that. It could have off right there, but there's a music. Jeff from Ohio, I would love to talk about that topic tomorrow if you call back. And that's a really interesting topic.

May the Lord bless you all, and by His grace, we'll be back on there tomorrow. And Lord William, we'll talk to you then. God bless. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.