Matt Slick Live

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 872072276.

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I hope you enjoyed the conversation we had yesterday with the black Hebrew Israelite stuff, which I thought was very interesting because it's just bad news. It is bad news. And um Let's see.

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You're on air. Thank you, Matt. How are you doing? Oh, hang on in there. Sleepy, sleepy.

So if I na nod off while you're talking, don't take it personally. That's no worries. I've had the video pulled up, so.

Okay, good. All right.

So, what do you got, man?

So I was kind of um I was looking into charismatic gifts stuff. I was thinking, I don't remember how it came about. But I uh I was talking to a buddy and I don't know how it came about, where it was like we're t talking a little bit about speaking in tongues. And I thought that uh speaking tongues was like a uh Translation type of thing, but I was kind of, I guess, fusing the gift of speaking of tongues and interpretation of tongues in a sense or something. Um Can you kind of go in so kick I guess first to back up?

Are the gifts of the are the gifts of the spirit and charismatic gifts the same thing? Depends because it depends on how people are. It's still you have Okay, so let me close this out. Um Yeah.

So the fruit of the Spirit some people call the fruit of the spirit the gifts of the spirit, but it's not, it's not the same thing. The fruit is karpas. The fruit of the spirit in Greek is not uh gifts from charisma or doron. But uh so some people might think they're the same, but they're not.

So, the gifts of the Spirit, some mistakenly say the fruit, like I said, love, joy, peace, patience, but that's not it.

So, the charismatic gifts of the Spirit. speaking in tongues, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, and things like that.

Okay.

Okay.

On What is it is it just So say someone gets a essentially temporary superpower from God.

Okay.

Is that not considered a charismatic gift? It's just a miracle?

Well, okay, with this okay. Let's say Let's say that someone is up and out, and if Laura could move the cursor away, if someone is out there speaking to another culture, another whatever it is. And you don't speak that language. All of a sudden you speak that language and you don't even know what you're saying, that's uh that's a form of tongues that can happen. And would you call it a miracle?

Yeah, I would. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Are there I guess I guess there are temporary gifts in a sense too sometimes, right?

Well, what do you mean by temporary gifts? Like say someone speaks in tongues once, it's it's temporary, it's miraculous.

Well they prophesied once, It's not like we have to say that someone always has this gift, always has the operation of that gift, but that others might have it once or twice, kind of a thing. I don't see any pattern in Scripture like that. What I see in Scripture is one person does this, another person doesn't do it. It doesn't have any issues of durations or number of times, but it has to be done in order for the edification of the body of Christ, for the furthering of the gospel.

So that's what's going on there. And so if someone were to prophesy once. Then that's just a manifestation. God can certainly do that.

Now, the charismatic gifts, some people will look at them and say, well, the charismatic gifts. Regarding on the apostolic level. And they'll say that all charismatic gifts operate the same way the apostles operated them, and that's not the position. We go into 1 Corinthians 14, and you'll see in the Corinthian church there that there were those who had operations of the Spirit of God, who were moving in different levels. And they were speaking in tongues: word of wisdom, word of knowledge, discernment of spirits, and things like that.

And so those are things that were in the church. As a body of Christ as a whole, different people would have these different kinds of of gifts manifestations, if that makes sense. Mm-hmm. So is it can any unbelievers Uh Are unbelievers allowed to have any charismatic gifts?

Well, yes, we have Gamiliel, the high priest. He prophesied by the Spirit. And so he wasn't a believer.

Okay.

So the Spirit of God moved and he was able to do it.

So it doesn't necessitate that only a Christian could do it because God could bring someone who's not a believer to say something according to his will for a certain goal, a certain Um yeah, there's a certain goal, you could say, certain purpose that fits there.

So it's certainly possible. But Gamiliel he did, he prophesied about this.

Okay, because I know there are spirit there is an example of a spirit of divination that was a demon.

So I guess a fallen angel. I know there is powers that can be granted that can be similar to Gifts of the charismatic gifts. Yeah. And by the way, I'm correcting myself. It's not Gamiliel, it's Caiaphas.

In John 11, 49 through 51. Let me go to that because I want to make sure I get this right because I messed up on who it was. But in John 11, 49, it says, But one of them, Caiaphas, who was a high priest that year, said to them, You know nothing at all, nor do you take into account that it's better for you that one man should die for the people, that the whole nation should not perish.

Now, he did not say this from himself, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation. And it says, now the Bible elsewhere says no prophecy is one prior of interpretation, but moved by God.

So we would say here that God is one who moved it. And we also have Agabus, a prophet who's described in the New Testament as prophesying by the Holy Spirit regarding great famine and imprisonment, which came to pass.

So it would appear to be that unbelievers and believers alike can do it, but it's normatively inside the Christian church that does that in a charismatic sense.

Okay, okay, now go back on track. Gotcha.

Okay.

So that means that Uh there could be situations. within, I guess, orthodoxy one could say That a believer could have the gift of tongues and an unbeliever could have a gift. of interpretation of tongues.

Well, maybe, maybe not. I can't say yes, no. What I knew, though, is that Caiaphas was what he prophesied, and apparently what he prophesied was true.

Okay.

So, how is it that he was able to prophesy?

Now, did he that doesn't say anything in the text? He prophesied, like I said earlier, about the Spirit, I thought it was. But he was the high priest. And he did that. And um So, yeah.

So, did he do it by the power of God? If it was a prophecy from God, then yes. If it was just a generic thing he said, we don't know. But it calls it a prophecy. He prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation.

So, I would say if it's a prophecy in that sense, it probably was from God.

Now, this opened up another door. Can Can false prophets like Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell, Muhammad, can they potentially make prophecies that come to pass? The answer is yes. Because demonic forces can work through them. Demonic forces are very astute and they have information we don't have.

They might know what's coming down the road and. Then prophesy this is, they know it's going to happen anyway, because that's what they've been working on, or whatever it is. And they make this prophecy.

So it's possible Yeah.

So this opened up a lot of doors of conversation. and what levels can happen and what levels it can't.

Now, as for the Christian, what we can do is say that anything that is by prophecy or interpretation of the tongues, the elders or the people of the body of Christ need to judge them according to Scripture to see if it's true or not. That's what needs to be done. It is done for the glorification of God or for the glorification of the prophet. or the church. Because prophecy is for the expansion of the kingdom of God, the edification of the body of Christ.

Now, this opens up even more doors.

Well, what qualifies an edification for the body of Christ? And then we get into all kinds of stuff.

So, this really is a deep topic when we talk about these kinds of things. And I've had all kinds of different level conversations on this many, many, many, many times. And this is a big deal to me because I was a pastor in a PCA, and when they found out I affirmed that the charismatic gifts were still possible. Then, long story short, they say, We love you, great preacher, but we can't have you be our pastor for that position. And so that was an important thing.

So I've gone through a lot on this. I've experienced the charismatic gifts, and I've known of others who have too. And um There's a lot there to discuss. There's a lot there to to discuss. Uh Got you.

Is there any way of knowing if knowing with absolute certainty that you have a gift or not. Sure, you said, is there any way of knowing? Yes, if God comes down and tells you specifically. Yes.

Now there's that's an external connection.

Now, can you know it internally?

Well, I remember once, I prophesied once over a girl. And I gave time references. In five months, this will happen, in eighteen months, that will happen. and both came to pass. and I remember still remember it.

It only happened to me once. And it must have been 45, maybe 45, 7 years ago. And I remember it clearly. I remember the experience of assurance it was true while it was happening.

So that's subjective. But I just remember it's the only time I've ever done that. I've had words of knowledge other times where I've known things, just known things, and they've come to pass. About a person or something. And I'm not trying to point to myself.

I'm not trying to, in any way, point myself. I just think I. I know. And before my wife passed away years and years ago, this would happen enough where I would say things. She actually started saying, well, what about this?

What about that? Because she started believing that it was happening, because it was happening. And I got nervous about it because, well, igh. I just got I just started pushing it away. I did.

I don't know if I should have or shouldn't have, but at any rate.

So there's subjectivity here, and this is why it's difficult to ascertain: well, yes, absolutely, no, absolutely. We just have to judge it by Scripture. That's what we have to do. And it's okay to make mistakes in the process. But we need to make sure that we're trying to be committed to Scripture and that the thing sought is the truth of God's Word, not the charismatic gift.

Okay.

Yep. Thank you. Yeah. Hmm. I guess in your case, so you believe that you have the gift of prophecy.

Is that right? No, I would say that I prophesied once.

Okay, so that's but you you would differentiate that from the gift of prophecy? I guess, yeah. I I can't say you have it or don't have it. It's p logically possible I have the gift, I'm suppressing it. It's logically possible I don't have the gift, it just happened once because God ordained it that one time.

I don't know. And so, again, I do not like lifting these things up because I don't want to glorify myself in any way. I don't like that, but only because we're talking about this. And experience, but experience, like I said, experience doesn't make doctrine.

So we just don't know for sure, and we judge everything by scripture.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

I appreciate it, Matt. Thank you. All right.

God bless, buddy.

Well, we'll get to Jermaine next and then Eugene after him. If you want to give me a call, the number is 87720-72276. We'll be right back. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Welcome back to the show. Thanks for listening. And it's going to Give a shout out to Steven with a V in Rumble. Give a $10 rant, as we call them. They're called rants.

Hey, man. Thanks a lot, buddy. Appreciate it. Really do appreciate it. All right, now let's get to Jermaine from Virginia, Jermaine, welcome every year.

Oh hey, yeah, it's still California, Matt. Why does it say VA? Because I keep thinking, no, you've got to be. Yeah, okay, so anyway. I have to go through what it says, and then there's all these people I've got to give track of.

So, what's up, buddy? What are you doing, Mel? Yeah. Hey, well, you know, um I wanted to ask you about the end of this whole Iran situation. And I don't want to get too much into it right now.

There's so many layers, but. One thing I heard that kind of disturbed me is supposedly some generals say supposedly we're allegedly telling there are their troops that this was you know, God's plan and they need to usher in The second coming of Christ. And to me, it really thinks it just kind of reminds me of. you know, just hyper dispensationalist type folks. I just kind of wanted to hear your thoughts on that because I I just pr I just find it very dangerous.

Where theology gets mixed in, and it's incorrect theology, just how dangerous that can be. in the hands of someone who's convicted 'cause to me, it doesn't seem to be any different from some erratical Muslims.

So I just wanted to hear what you had to say about it.

Well, I'm not sure which direction to go because a lot of we could talk about. You know, is Iran. what's happening there is part of God's uh Plan. In one sense, yes, maybe in an uttered sense, no. You know, in his sovereign plan, he allows all things.

Ephesians 1:11, all things work together, or he can all things work after the counsel of his will.

Now, there's the permissive will, it may not be that. That he wanted it specifically to be done now, it may be that he just allowed it to occur. We don't know.

So when someone says we need to do this kind of thing to usher in the kingdom of God, that's presumptuous. And people who say those kind of things are ignorant of Scripture. God is the one who works things according to his plan, not ours. We don't usher in the kingdom of God. that is a fallacious approach.

So, you know, generals need to stick with generaling and not be theologians. And um did I don't tell them how to shoot guns and how to do warfare. I'm a theologian.

So we don't usher in the kingdom of God by what we do. It's in his sovereign timing, not ours. And so we need to be careful about that. I don't know what else what else you want to get into that about that, if I answered it or not.

Okay, yeah, and I just really, it kind of disturbs me because I do know some.

some folks who I care about who are super dispensationalists, as I call them. I just find that that line of thinking can be very just dangerous because they don't. Allow any other any other thought process where it's so obvious that I mean, I I don't know what other way to say it, but it just seems like reform theology be a little more correct in these matters and Yeah. They just won't listen.

So, and these are people I know who I care about who are family and. whatnot, but it's it's it's like, nope, this is it, you know. crisis coming back any moment, be ready and And it's always everything else other than that is not rightly dividing the word of truth. And Right. That kind of just to me, that's a little bit dangerous.

It is dangerous. I don't want to step on too many people's toes, but there are theological perspectives that are less grounded than others. When people put all their eggs in that basket, it can become problematic. And they shouldn't do that. They should refrain from that.

Particularly, dispensationalism. It's not very well. Um It's not very well uh grounded in Scripture. Trust me, I know a lot about it.

So uh I mean, you know, it's okay. But as far as the war in Iran goes, I'm glad it's happening. I hope to get rid of the terrorist regime that is there that's based on Islam. And I hope that uh They get wiped out. I'd rather get saved, but hope they're taken care of.

And that uh a a truly good regime of government gets instituted.

Now I do know there's a lot of Christians in Iran. A lot of Christians. The biggest underground church in uh the Middle East is there.

So, who knows what's going to happen, what God is going to do. But those Muslims. are well entrenched there, and militarily speaking, they are are seeking to destroy. That's what Islam does a lot. It it kills and destroys.

So uh They're just acting like good Muslims. Yeah. Okay.

All right.

All right.

Well, thank you, Matt. I appreciate it. I guess there's not much more to get into with that subject, but I I really and I mean I wish they would just give the Army memberships to Carm because I think some good theology would really go go and do them a lot of justice right now. Yeah, I've offered and also wondered, you know, I'd like to be a consultant theologically with a lot of people who want to make statements. I can just say, no, here's the reason you want to do that, you want to say it like this, and just help them out.

But, you know, who's going to trust a guy named Slick on a radio show? You have to have more degrees than the thermometer and be famous before they start listening to you. And that's unfortunate because, generally speaking, the ones who are famous don't know their theology very well either. They just know how to get famous.

So That's what it is. That's all right though.

Well, all right, well well, thank you, man. I appreciate it. All right, brother. God bless, man. God bless.

All right, that was Germaine. I got to Eugene from North Carolina. Eugene, welcome. You're on the air. Yeah, hey Maggie, yeah, this is Eugene, man.

How are you doing, brother? Hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. What do you got? Yeah, but Just keep on hanging.

I had something else to, you know, I know I wanted to talk about predestination. But when you and Jermaine were talking, and we you know, you talked about the change of regime over in Iran. And it got to kinda thinking about Predestination. And and And the way I kind of went there, I was like, Don't you you know, I know God wants all people to be saved. And I would hope Uh it's You know, even though Islam is a false religion, Um he desires for every person to come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

you know, that was just my thought on that whole regime change and you know, everything that's going on in Iran and for that matter, what's going on in the world. We've got some, you know, Western civilization uh governments and regimes that you know, have some aspects Of what is just innate to all men, some evil, you know. Yeah, that's true. That was just my thought on that. Yes, there is in the Psalms, there's what's called in Pregatory Psalms.

They are Psalms of condemnation, of wishing harm upon people, and they're in the Psalms. And so, we as Christians with the balance of the idea. Of wishing harm on someone versus their salvation.

So, what I pray for is, Lord, please save them. But if it's not within your sovereign decree, uh then judge them according to their sin.

So that's right, the gospel will be preached, and that's how I will pray. I want it in his hands, not in mine.

Okay.

Right. And, you know, I don't think any general or Anybody can usher in or move God to the day of his. Uh no you can't. Uh we can't. Yeah.

Breadbutter, hey, there's some music. We gotta go. All right? Gotta break. Oh, man.

I didn't even get to it.

Well, hold on, man. Hold on. We'll get back to you after the break, okay?

Alright, hold on, but I'm not sure.

Alright, hey folks, we'll be right back, and then we'll get to Renee from North Carolina after Eugene. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276.

Let's get back on here with Eugene. Eugene, welcome. You're back on. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, Matt, I wanted to hear your thoughts on And I've heard them before on predestination. And, you know, because the scripture does say, you know, for those he foreknew, he predestined. But You know, it also says you know, in John 3.16 and then in Peter. You know, they talked about whosoever and all. And and in my mama, when God says, Whosoever He means whosoever.

And when he says all, he says all. And to say that we don't. In John 3:16, it doesn't say whosoever. No, no. No, in John 3:6.

The gospel of the world, whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Yes, it doesn't say that in the Greek.

Okay, it says the Greek is it's pos hapas duon, it's all the believing one. The word for whoever in Greek is hos. It's not there in the Greek. It should be translated: God saw the world that gave His only begotten Son, that all the one who believes. And now it should be called the one that believes, yeah.

because it's all the believing one is singular. That's literally, but so it's similar to the idea of whoever, but here's the question.

Okay, we could say whoever, that's fine. But whoever believes, even by your words, you say all. And when God says all, he means all. other ones.

Well, hold on. The one that believes. It doesn't say how they believe or why they believe, it just says the ones that believe. It does not say that everybody has that free will ability to believe. But that's assumed.

Because Jesus says in John six sixty five, you cannot come to me unless it's granted to you from the Father.

So, if the word whoever in John 3:16 means it's just your free will ability, then why does Jesus say? Nope, that's not it. You can't come to me unless it's granted by God the Father. You see? Yeah, absolutely.

I agree with you. And it doesn't, by natural reason, it doesn't make sense. But all things are possible with God, so He can predestine you and call you. That when it says all things are possible, but when it says all things are possible with God, the context is salvation. That's what it is.

God cannot lie. God can't make a square circle and things like that. And so when it's talked about there, all things are possible.

So it's harder for a rich man to go get to the eye to be saved than the eye chemical to go to the eye of the needle. But all things are possible with God. That's the context of what's going on there.

So Yeah. I I'm Matt, I get that and I still struggle with it. Because I don't wanna oversimplify, but I don't know how he does it or. How it makes sense, but when he says all, he means all. And when he says whoever he says all the world was disturbed.

Um all the world was taxed.

So, if you go to my website, karmla.org, I'm really tired, sorry, you go to carm and you do a table. On the word all. I think it's table, all the church table. Words mean what they mean in context. And I've gone through every single word.

of the the word all. and to show you that it uh Here it is. Every I have every single one of them listed. It could be not individual. It says When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled in all Jerusalem with him.

That's Matthew 2.30. all Jerusalem, it just means a lot of people, it doesn't mean every individual was. And so it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness. What does the word althitter mean, okay? And all the people were coming to him.

That's John the Baptist. Mark 6:39, he commanded them all to sit down. That would seem to be every individual. And then we have Mark 5.26. Uh he was not helped at all.

Okay.

Where it's of expressions and not people, of totality, of not every individual. For example, Acts 11, 28, in a great famine all over the world. But that doesn't mean every individual all over the planet.

So, I'm just saying, and I got lots more of these I can go through. I've done a big study on this. And so, if you go to. uh caram and look up words being what they mean uh the word all It'll give you every instance. And I have we're categorized, not e what's every individual, not every individual, things, totality and expression, not people or things.

So I have the categories.

So when people say, well, all means all, well, it does i i in context. And so, what I try and get people to do is understand deeper theology. And let me show you something here. Let me show you something.

So, would you agree with me that when it says in Romans 6:6, okay. that her old self was crucified with him. And in Romans six, eight, we have died with Christ. And also Colossians 3.3, It says you have died with Christ. All right?

Would you agree with me that whenever it says anyone's died with Christ, died to sin, died to the world, it's only the believers, right? Right. Yes, I would agree with that, yes.

So, uh Second Corinthians five uh Let's see. five fourteen. For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all. Therefore all Died. Who's the all who died?

I see. Who's the all who died? That can only be the believers. It can't be every individual.

So I'm just showing you right there. Even in that context, Uh, it doesn't mean it all means what it means in its context, and that's what I try and show people. And then when they go to 2 Peter 3. People go to 2 Peter 3.9. God's not slow with prompt, right?

He wants all to come to repentance.

Well, there's we can understand this in different ways. He wants all might mean, logically, he wants every individual to be saved. If that's the case. Then why is it Jesus speaks in parables? In Mark 4, 10 through 12, he tells us also.

Yeah, so people will not be forgiven.

So, if he wants every individual to be saved, why is he speaking in parables so they won't be saved? Mark 4, 10 through 12.

So, what I do with people who have this, I break their foundation up. But I show this a bright crack. Here's a crack. This Pry it open, and then say, let's put it back together. and make the scriptures be the thing that guides us, look at everything through the lens.

and you start singing things about the word all. that a lot of people just don't look at, don't know.

Okay.

I can just trust me, there's a lot more I can speak about on this. It's a lot. Yeah, there are many, many, many, many times I've shown people stuff. I get it. I don't want to overthink it or anything.

No, overthink it. Think it. Go ahead. God wants you to. The deep things of God belong to God.

Yeah, God says, come let us reason. But then there's some things that, you know, that He says, our thoughts are above. You know, his thoughts are above our thoughts.

So we're not going to understand it. That's what comes in by faith. But there's many things. But anyway, I love what you do, Matt.

Okay.

But we can't understand a lot of stuff. But okay, okay, brother.

Well, there you go. Just go study. Go look at the word all as I've done the work on the Carm site. Go check it out. All right.

Okay.

All right, man. Bless you, bruh. YouTube brother. God bless. All right.

So, yeah, I've taught on this so many times. There's so much. Romans 5:18, Romans 5:19, 1 Corinthians 15:22, 2 Corinthians 5, 14. I get a 1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3, 9. I cross-reference.

I get all these things in my head. And I've talked about this so many times, and I show people things, and they're like, I didn't even know that was there. Renee from North Carolina. Renee, welcome. And then we'll get to Brent.

Renee, you're on the air. Hi.

Okay.

Hi, Matt.

So, what do you got? How are you doing? This is. Oh, doing all right for a guy, sleepy guy. I'm sleepy today.

I'm sleepy. Yeah. I understand. I am too. But I always try to listen to you when I'm in my car.

So I'm like, oh, let me ask my question. I'm just wondering why don't we and I know is I think it's out of respect for God that we're not supposed to say Yahweh. Um his his name and then but I do wonder why don't we why do we say Jesus and not Yeshua? Because his name is Jesus. Because it's Jesus.

In the Greek manuscripts it's it literally it's Iesus. And it's so we just say Jesus because we don't say EA. It's IA in the Greek to begin with. Iesus, we just say Jesus. That's okay.

You know, my name in Spanish is Mateo. And Matu in French, I believe it is. My wife spoke French.

So it's okay. But why do we not say Yahweh, the tetragrammaton, you know, Yodhe Vabhe? We don't know how it's properly pronounced. And it's okay to say Yahweh.

Okay, okay. Yeah, Yahweh's fine. And so the reason that we generally don't is the holdover from what the Jews did. They did not want to misuse or mispronounce the word of God, so they would substitute Adunai or Yahweh. And it just became a custom.

And I have no problem with just putting the word Yahweh in. I think it's good. I think we should have it in our Bibles. I think the LSP does.

Okay.

Okay.

Oh, there's a lot of things. And we should not say, I mean, Yahshua, we don't, we just constie Jesus. We don't say Yeshua. Yeah, don't, yeah, that will just confuse people. Yeah, it'll just confuse people.

Okay, okay. All right.

Okay, thank you Matt, thank you.

Okay, thank you. Bye-bye.

Okay.

We have three open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Right back. Brother Brent from North Carolina next. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show, last segment of the hour. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six Let's get to Brent. From North Carolina, Brent, welcome here on the air.

Hey, Mr. Mac, how are you tonight, sir? I'm hanging in there. I'm more hanging than in there tonight. I'm tired.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Good hearing from you, Matt. You're doing a great job.

On your station there. How long have you been on air, Mr. Max?

Well, this is my twenty-third year of radio, and uh on this network uh I don't know, three, four years, I guess, four years, I I don't know. Yes, sir. Well, Fortune, you're doing a great job. And what I'm calling about is, Mr. Matt, like I said, thank you for your time and your support, many years.

You did a great job. But uh w we we're not here to Condescend or put nobody down, but we have to correct you. The lady just called earlier. and ask you a question about the name Yeshua. and the name Jesus.

Uh what do you know now? The Bible also says, I don't know which versions y'all are reading from, but. You're in error there when you tell people this, it doesn't matter about the name. you you're you're you're you're going to be held accountable for that on the day of judgment. And now like I said, you're doing a great You're doing a great job.

Now people are lying about those people in Israel, who the true people are, or the false Jews. I don't know why people keep lying. They just watch the salvagated Sunday. They've switched holy days to holidays. I have a book, actually I'm an author and I'm a world what validates And substantiate me, I'm a world traveler.

I retired from the shelter. Let me ask you some questions, okay? Just curious, all right? Yeah, right here. Sure, do you affirm the doctrine of the Trinity?

Women, sir, yes, sir. Women, now, Trinity, first of all, is not in the Bible. He's the father, the son and the rock Hakadash.

Now, you've got to be careful about your throne. I just ask, do you affirm the doctrine of the Trinity? One God who exists as three distinct, simultaneous, co-eternal. Of course. I just said He's the Father, the Son, and the Ruach Kakadash.

Well, God's who God is. No, not God. It's Elohim. God is a pagan title. Lord is a pagan title.

Okay.

So is Jesus God in flesh? No, sir. Jesus never dies for nobody. Jays have not been in existence for 490 years. Nobody never asks who the translators are.

Okay, well, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm just asking questions. I'm just asking questions. I don't need all the stuff in there. Yeah, it's just so when the Bible says in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God.

Grand War. The word became flesh and dwelt among us, we beheld his glory.

So, who's the his glory that we're beholding? Yes, sir. Okay, I'm glad you asked.

Well, let me put it in perspective. In the true word of Elohim, it says in John 1: In the beginning was the word. The word was with Elohim, and the word was Elohim. No, it's not. Elohim said in the.

And the word became flesh and dwelt among us. Hold on, you just contradicted yourself. You contradicted yourself. You said don't use uh Jesus, it's a pagan name, and then you just switched the Greek theos for um Elohim, which that's not what the Greeks say, so you just you just broke your own word, your own pattern. No, sir.

Elohim, sir, signifies plurality. The Father, the Son. That's Hebrew. It's a Hebrew word. But John 1:1 is Greek.

So, you shouldn't say it's Elohim. You should say it's God because it says in the beginning was the word, the word was with God. And the word version of the Roman Catholic Church, sir, since it says books. No, that's what the Greek says. I'm I I can look at the Greek.

Yeah, so uh Yeah. That's what it says in the Greek, okay? Inarche na lagas.

Okay? And the beginning was a word, right? Yeah. Okay, so it says and the word was with God. Right?

So that's just the Greek. It's just Theos is the Greek word there. You know, it says in the word was God. That's all that's going on.

So, but if it says that the word was God and the word became flesh, we beheld his glory.

So, whose glory are we beholding when it's who is that? Y'all behold it's Satan's glory. You'll behold in Satan's glory. That word Jesus Christ came from the Roman Catholic Church. That one didn't work.

To the councils of Nicaea, Trent, and Constantinople. Constantinople. No, it did not.

Well, who translated then, sir, from Yeshua to Jesus? It's not Yeshua.

Okay, it's not translated from Yeshua. That's Hebrew. It's the Greek. It's the Greek. It says, He shall bear a son, and you shall call his name.

That's what it says in the Greek. Yeah, yesus.

So, are you going up on the Hebrew or are you going up on the Greek? The Greek? Because I'm looking at the Greek. The New Testament is written in Greek. Not he.

Greek and Latin. You know, Jesus is Greek and Christ is Latin. Are you aware of that? No, Christ is from Christos, which is Greek.

Okay.

Okay, well Jesus is Latin. Yeah. Okay, look. Are you aware of that? Jesus is English, okay?

It's just an English word. What did it originate from? It's just a. I don't know. I don't know where the English pronunciation originated from.

It's just an English word that we use. That's a European word, sir.

So? What's wrong with that? Sir, his name was Yahushua Hamashiach. Actually, let me ask you what else they have there. Let me ask you.

Yeah, go ahead.

Okay, are white people Edomites?

Well, first of all, sir, you're getting into raise. You're not supposed to get into raise. First of all, you you you try to back me in a corner, sir, which is. Are white people eat them like that?

Well, let me let me be straightforward with you, sir. Sure. people are people. Y'all are doing a great job.

Now, listen to me, Zer, very well.

Now, because you're trying to back me up in a corner. The Hebrew church. If you really. If you really want to say who was a stiff-necked, hard-hearted people, was the Hebrew Israelites. Yahushua came and tore the veil down and allow every man, woman, and child to come in whosoever will.

And like I said, you're doing a great job, but you're going to have to tell people the truth. It's not about no white man, black man. I'm condemning what you say. What you say is not of God. You deny who God is, you deny who Christ is.

Now, let me ask you. Do you believe that we are Justified before God by faith alone in what Christ did on the cross alone. What Yahushua did on the cross, sir. Yes, sir, we are justified by his grace and mercy. What is grace?

Grace is unmerited favor He gave unto us, sir, which undeserved, we didn't earn it. Yeah, I know what it is. Do you have to do any good works to be forgiven of your sins? It's not by your works, but you do have to do something. According to Acts 4 and 12, you are to be witnesses of him through your darling.

I understand. I understand. I understand. Yes, sir. I'm just asking.

I ask simple questions. I just need simple answers. I mean, that's all you have to do. Do you have to add any works in order to have your sins forgiven? Or is it by faith alone?

I mean, what witness sir? You don't have to have works to be saved, but you do have to do something. What Yahushua commissioned his people to do is to be witnesses. You do have to be a witness.

Okay, okay. As you're doing.

Okay.

So are you witnesses? That's a work. Yes, man. I'm sorry. I'm j I'm sorry.

Yeah. Um So, I you can ask me that, answer the question: Are the Edomites the white people? It'll tell me a lot if you say yes or no.

Okay, well, what worship w why is your the Edomites are the white people, if that's what you want to say? The East Os. Yeah, okay.

So what does that have to do because you're a he you're a Hebrew Israelite. You're a black Hebrew Israelite, all right. Yeah. What is, sir? That's irreverent and trivial.

I mean, what does that have to do with our subject matter? Yahoosha came in love, sir. You're trying to, you're, you're trying to get what a false. You deny Christ? Jesus Christ did not die for me.

It was Yahushua. Why are y'all denying Yahushua? Why are we? We just go with what the Greek said. We just go with the Greek says.

The Greek says he's God in flesh. And you deny that. Yeah, so you're lost. I deny that Yahushua HaMashiach died for me. It was Yahushua that died for me.

Have you ever been to Israel? Mr. Max, you don't mind me asking Israel? I've been to Israel twice. Have you ever been to Rome?

Yes, I've been to Rome. I wrote a book, or what validates me? I wrote a book called Authentic or Counterfeit. By Andre Mims. You might want to get that book.

A lot of people are being misled, misguided, misinformed, and they're following demon doctrines. How do you know you're not teaching demonic doctrine? Sir, I'm going back to the original. Do you mean the doctor? Original Greek?

Having a doctor's this day. The doctrines of demons is plural. There's only one true doctrine.

Now the Greek New Testament is what God decided would be written so that Christians would understand what to believe.

So you do you use the Greek New Testament? I don't use, I go back to the original Hebrew version because y'all have alternate sympathies in the book. Where's the Hebrew? Where are the original Hebrew manuscripts of the New Testament? Where are they?

Divine Ceph. You can pull it by Cepha. And I'm going to tell you another good book to get it. But you see, the problem, that guy, he didn't have any theological training. He didn't have any training in Greek or in Hebrew or in textual.

Or in order to criticism.

So he's not qualified to make any such things. Can I can I say this Mr. Matt? Sure, you know, in the very word you read, he said Peter and John they were ignorant. He said they had not been sitting with the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

That's all y'all is doing Pharisees and Sadducees educated fools. They were led by the because you're following Pidgin. What are the ghosts and what is the spirit? But you said you're following Pidgin. There's no, he had no formal training at all.

No peer review. There's no manuscript. There's no manuscript evidence for what he's saying. You tell me that the royal concerns can't teach us what we need to know. What I'm saying is that Pidgin doesn't know what he's doing.

He does not have all his paws in a litter box. Yeah, so I understand what you're saying. But y'all keep following them teachers and doctors and all these masters. It's false doctrine, sir. They're lying.

They're being taught by the Roman Catholic Church. It's a curriculum. That's called a genetic fallacy. That's what you're doing to mislead, misguide, misinform, and disinform. But that's called a genetic fallacy.

Because it's my real name. Click as a fake. It's my real name. Dude, it's my birthday. Yeah, Matt Slick, Matthew Slick.

That's right, my real name. But it is. It is. It's my birth name, driver's license, birth certificate.

Okay, it's my name. You don't say about the creation? I'm not sure what you're saying. I don't know. But black Hebrew Beaver's Light stuff is false doctrine.

Jesus is God in flesh. The Trinity is true. Pidgin didn't know what he was doing. He had no skills whatsoever. And if you want to set up a debate with your top representatives, we can have a formal debate on some things.

We can set it up. Mm-hmm. Okay, kettles up. Isaiah 52, you have blasphemed my name. Isaiah 52, his name is not no Jesus Christ, Lord or God.

We got to go.

Sorry, man. I've enjoyed it, but we got to go. There's the end of the show. There's the end of the show. So we got to go.

All right.

We got to go.

So there we go. Wow. We're coming out of the wood boardwork is interesting. Two in a row. All right, folks.

Hope you enjoyed that. I got to get going. May the Lord bless you by his grace. We'll be back on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then.

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