Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers, taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live. Today's date is March 17th, 2020. Six for the podcasters and ask Lordette.

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Now, I released an article I've been working on for quite a while. I released an article today. And um What I like to do sometimes is is think about something. And then go to uh you know when I go to bed I have I have one of those fold phones and uh I'll sit there for an hour. Yeah.

This is not how you go to sleep. And I'll sit there for an hour and work on syllogisms, work on logic, paradigms. I know, I I got it bad. And I did that. for about a week or so.

Or maybe less, I don't know. on a logical and biblical case for sola scriptura.

Now It's a different kind of an approach. You know, the scripture. Uh is there. What it teaches. And the Catholics and the Eastern Orthodox are always trying to find some way.

To subject the word of God to their church. It's what it comes down to. Our church gave you the Bible, therefore, our church tells you what it means. This idiocy. It's not good.

And so I stumbled on A method of syllogistic sequences. And I absolutely love it. And you can go to the Carm site. And you can read. This is more for Apologetics.

This is more for debate, it's more for an intellectual examination of something.

Now I could. And maybe I will. uh convert this to a narration kind of article. Instead of the logical syllogisms, just condense it into just like an article where somebody could just read through it without having to. to study.

But I think I've made a pretty good case. For the necessity of sola scriptura. What that is, is a teaching that the scriptures are the final authority in everything they address. That's not to say that we ignore councils or church fathers or traditions. No, it's just that they are all subject to the Word of God.

And at the end of the article, I answer, try to answer perceived or projected objections to the article. from Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.

Now I'm going to just say this again, both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are false religions. They are apostate, they teach a false gospel, they promote a false priesthood, and they promote a false Mary and promote idolatry. Yeah. Now, a lot of you may be surprised by hearing that.

Some of you who've been listening to me for a while know that that's what I say. And if you are taken back by that, let me just make it clear. that official Roman Catholic theology is Antichrist. that in regards to salvation. And The same thing with Eastern Orthodoxy.

I believe very firmly. that all who who affirm and believe and trust in the doctrines of salvation of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. will be damned.

Now the reason I say that It's not because I used to be Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox, and something happened bad, and now I just have vengeful thoughts, whatever. No, it's purely theological. It's purely an issue of biblical revelation. And having talked to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Catholics and Eastern Orthodox over the years, I'm absolutely firmly convinced that they are false religions, false churches. It's unfortunate that they're both uh growing.

But uh The Bible does teach. There's going to be an apostasy in the last days.

Now, that's not to say that Protestantism is perfect, because it certainly isn't, and I certainly throw stones in that direction as well, even though I am a Protestant. But I just want to say that the gospel of Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, is not Christian. Is not biblical. their priesthood, which uh deals with sacrificial systems. Is not found in the New Testament economy, the New Testament document of admonition of what to have in a church.

There's no place in the New Testament where it talks about having a church with an altar where a priest gets up and does stuff. A priest. in a church service is simply unbiblical. And we have the priesthood of all believers. We're all priests, kings and priests, so to speak.

But they're talk and I'm talking here is about the actual priesthood. that the Catholic Church has and the Eastern Orthodox Church has. I just challenge them. And if you're listening to me and you're a Catholic or you go, I just challenge you politely. It's not a mean thing.

Just go find the priesthood. Go find your church's priesthood in the New Testament. Where is it? This is after the death of Christ, of course, because with the death of Christ, the new covenant's installed. And that's out of Hebrews 9, 15 through 16.

You can certainly find priestly aspects of before Christ is crucified. But after the crucifixion, When the new covenant is is instituted, in the church. There is no priesthood. Where a special guy with special garments and special authority goes up to an altar in a church and offers sacrifices. That is ungodly unbiblical.

The reason it's ungodly is because God has put an end to that. in the blood of Christ. And Hebrews 8.13 says the old covenant is made obsolete. with Jesus.

So their priesthood is a false priesthood. It's absolute false priesthood. And this is so obvious. It's so important. That uh I think it's one of the areas to absolutely attack.

on the false churches of Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy. In light of all of that, I wrote this article, A Logical and Biblical Case for Sola Scriptoris, on the homepage of Carm. You can go through and read it. Give me some feedback. Let me know what you think.

Let's get to. Let's see, Kevin from Arizona. Kevin, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how you doing, Matt?

Oh, I'm doing okay. Hanging in there, man. What do you got, buddy? Uh yeah, I got a question. about uh Mary Kay Baxter.

She has written books like A Divine Revelation of Heaven and The Divine Revelation of Hell. Would you recommend any Christian read her books or stay away from them? I do not know. I haven't heard of her before.

So oh Um So, I did a little bit of research. I mean, I'm just going in, and you can. You can go on the web and just do searches. Uh Yeah, she was in the Word of Faith Pentecostal movement. uh charismatic prosperity stuff, so I would definitely not recommend her.

Okay. Yeah. Uh Rickia, yeah, there's some others uh yeah, there's some definite criticisms of her. They're popular in charismatic circles. Her books are They implicitly claim authoritative extra-biblical revelation.

And which is precisely the kind of authority that Scripture alone must deal with.

So. Yeah, I I would not go. I would not recommend her stuff. Just doing a quick search. Oh, okay.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. word of faith And uh Yeah.

See this Maria. This can get more involved because When we talk about the issue of uh revelation, You know, we can get a word of knowledge, a word of wisdom, but that's not equal to the scripture. And when people get up in front of churches, and I'm not saying she does this, I just don't know, or did that, she's passed away. I don't know.

Sometimes these people will get up in front and say, I'm now getting a word from the Lord, and they'll talk to the congregation like God's talking through them. This is a cult technique for mind control. And It's dangerous.

So um We don't see it in scripture. But the revelation of God came through the prophets and the apostles. They could speak for God audibly. They could tell what God said and what he wanted. That's fine.

But we don't have that kind of a thing in the New Testament, but the charismatic gifts. I do believe in, and they have to be subjected to scripture and things like that. But it looks like what they're doing is the typical. Over the top, word of faith, name it and claim it, blab it and grab it. uh uh stuff that gets into Usually it's into various heresies.

Okay. Yeah. All right.

So, all right, thanks, Matt. You're welcome. God bless. All right.

All right, God bless. You too. God bless. Mm-hmm. All right, now, next longest waiting is Brent from North Carolina.

Brent, welcome. You're on here. mister Mack back with you again. I was the one that called you the other day. You probably remember me, Matt.

I do now. Yes, sir. We were discussing something the other day about names. And I don't know whether I was in class and I missed this in grammar school and. You said that Lord was the name the capital?

Leathers L O R D was a name. Maybe I was just a sleeping class. I missed that part. Uh Lord and God are not named. In the Old Testament, Psalm 105, I was reading this morning.

For my studies. And it says, in the name of the Lord. Yeah. Lord and God are not names matched.

Okay. You don't understand what I'm saying.

Okay. So the name of God is Yahweh. Yothe Vavhe the tetragrammaton. He gives us That as a name, I think it's Isaiah 42.8 says that. My name is Yahweh.

All right.

Now, the word in Hebrew, the word in Hebrew for God is Elohim.

Now, the word for Lord. In the Hebrews, Adonai. About that's correct.

So what the Jews would do is it because they did not want to risk uh using the Lord's name in vain. When it came to the tetragrammaton, Yothe Vave, which is Yahweh. they would substitute the word adonai, Say Lord. in Hebrew.

so that they would not violate a risk violating the name of the Lord. This tradition became enculturated into various Bibles.

So When you see in the English The Lord capital L, but then small O, small R, small D, that's Adonai in the Hebrew. When you see capital L, capital O, capital R, capital D, That's Yahweh. in the Hebrew. That's what I'm telling you, okay? That's what it is.

All right.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, I understand.

So so when are we going to start going back? To the ritual fact. We're teaching people not to lie. I heard you say earlier that the Catholic Church. Was an apostasy and it was of the devil.

Uh do you know that Originated from his wealth from the Roman Church. I couldn't understand you breaking up. Um Martin Luther started the reference. You're breaking up, so I can't understand what you're saying. Could you say it again?

Yeah, I'll give it a try. Go ahead. Can you can you hear me now? I think so. Go ahead.

Yes, sir. The Reformation started through Martin Luther. Christianity started through Constantine. There was no such thing as Christianity. Jesus is Greek.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You know, you guys astound me at your ignorance. And then you speak as though you know what you're talking about. It's just amazingly. A bad.

How little we know. Christianity was started by Christ. In the first century.

Okay, now we'll get back after the break. We'll talk about this. After the break. All done. We'll get right back after this.

Wow, so much heresy, so little time. Be right back, please. Stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Okay, everybody, welcome back to the show. If I crack up, we've got some great dialogues going. Oh man, it's good stuff. Ooh, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. That's good stuff.

All right, let's get back on with Brent from North Carolina. Brent, okay. You're back on, buddy. Uh Yes, sir, Mr. Mac.

I just want to say thank you for everything you've been doing, Matt, for the last 23 years. All we want to do is. Teach truth. That's all we want. And what it is, Yahushua made a statement.

He said, I came in my father's name. The father's name was not Never No Jesus. Of Christ. His name was Yahushua HaMashiach, which is Hebrew.

Now, why people keep lying to people and telling people all these lies? I don't know why, because on the day of judgment, we will be held accountable. His name, he said, I came in my father's name. What is my father's name? My father's name is Yaf.

Hallelujah means all praise to God. Yahuwah is the Father, and as you said earlier, no such thing as God and Lord. Guard. It is Elohim. Elohim is plurality.

Father, and the Conquer Dash. You guys, you guys, the BHI movement. Are some of the most ignorant saying you God.

Now, I've been disrespecting you at one time. Why you keep saying you God? Because you two of you guys have called up, and I've had many interactions with BHI. And I'm amazed. What exactly is DHI?

Be more specific. What is DHI? How is this? Blackie Bruiserlight. Blackie Bruiser Light.

Right. You know that's a form of racism. You know, I haven't even said I was a. Look, that's what they call themselves, okay? We're just telling you what they call themselves.

If that's racism, then they're racist. All I'm just doing is telling you the truth. Y'all are lying. Jesus Christ was not the Savior. What?

Jesus is not the Savior? Wait a minute. Wait, Jesus is not the Savior? Most definitely, he was not the Savior. James has not been in existence for 490 years.

Look.

So why my goodness? Am I right or wrong? Have the Jay been in the distance 490 years? Am I right or wrong? Look.

You have no clue what you're talking about. You really don't understand. You don't understand. It's not. Let me explain something.

In Hebrew, there's a sound. In Hebrew, there's a sound. It's a guttural kind of a sound. We don't say that in English. Even when you pronounce God's name, you don't use the Hebrew guttural sounds that are sometimes necessary.

So I guess you're mispronouncing God's name. You're teaching a false God. You better be careful, sir, because you can bring a curse on yourself. I am the one cursed. And I'm out.

You're the one cursed. Can I ask you one other question? Sure. The Jews in Israel, are those the true people? Then it's going to determine right here.

Are they the true people? I don't determine whether or not there is no yes or no. I don't determine if they're true or not. That is determined by the history of their genetic lines in their houses that they trace back. That's up to them, not up to me.

So the twelve tribes of Israel was not captured in the four corners of the earth? Who were those people that were scattered to the four quarters of the earth? According to Deuteronomy 28, 63, 64, and 65 says, You will go on slave ships again. Oh, my goodness. I think you guys are fascinating.

I'm just trying to tell you the truth. Hello? Yeah, I think you guys are fascinating. Because we're the two people and y'all lying. Jesus Cedar's lies about the Jacobians.

No, it's just no, it's fascinating because I haven't heard so many heresies spoken in one minute in years and years and years. It's just so you're you're if I'm if I'm from the tribe of Judah and I'm in America, the tribe of Jan is a nation, the tribe of devils, how's that heresy? J. Yeah. Wow.

This is awesome. I'm going to ask you a question. Are you going to beat the hell live? I'm not lying. I'm telling you the truth.

Who are the true people? I'm just asking the question: who are the true people? I just answered you. I don't do a genetic examination of individuals to judge that. All right?

Well, who was on the transatlantic trade slate? Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is awesome.

So you're a black Hebrew Israelite, okay? You're a Hebrew Israelite individual, and you deny the true God, you deny the true Christ, you deny the true gospel. You're in a racist group organization. I deny your lies.

So let me ask you something. Let me ask you something. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Let me ask you.

Hold on.

Okay. I'm a white guy, okay?

Now, officially, I don't believe in different races among people. I believe there's only one race: the human race. I don't either. And so I don't care about color. I don't care.

But. It's a colour.

Well, if you don't care about color, why are y'all lying? If you don't care about color, color is a different category than lying.

So here's the thing: hold on, hold on.

Okay, so I have a white skin, as they like to call it.

So when I die, where do I go? Because I'm white. Where do I go? If you don't preach truth, you're going to hell, and hell took like a fire.

Okay, my, but wait a minute. I thought I'm an Edomite, right? Am I an Edomite? It doesn't matter, sir, whether you're Edomite, Hebrew, Israelite. Color does not have nothing to do with it, sir.

He said, whosoever will, let him come. Yeah, I understand. There's different groups within BHI. There's lots, like over, I think, 200 fractions. Fractions fractions, yeah.

And there's a lot of groups in Christianity as well. Yeah, no. Look, you don't even understand what lying means compared to misinformation. You could be telling me what you believe is the truth. You're not lying.

Lying is a purposeful deception. If you tell me something you believe is true that is not true, you're not lying. You're just misrepresenting. You don't understand something. There's a difference between lying.

You don't understand. Which one is it? Have you ever been to Rome? Have you ever been to Israel? Yes.

Yes, I've been to both. I'm just asking the question. What's the burden? I just asked the question: Have you ever been to Israel and Rome? Yeah, I've been to Israel twice.

I've been to Rome once, yes.

Well, if you are a traveler, you should know better. What day do anything? What's that got to do with anything? I actually saw some black Hebrews Black Hebrew Israelites in Israel. I did.

We were at the tomb. I think it was a tomb of Abraham, I think it was. I'm not sure. Was it one tomb? And I can't remember.

If Eric's listening, he can tell me. But. They had people at a guard. They had people who were guarding. It was a white person and a black person, and they were from Israel, both of them.

So he was a black Hebrew Israelite. She might have a good one.

So, do you still pull up Christmas trees? Do you still want to sound a call? Do I what? Do you still put up Christmas trees and worship Easter, Christmas, and Halloween? No, no, I don't.

Do you worship Easter? No, I just believe in the resurrection of Christ. That's what I believe. No, I asked the question: do you believe in Easter? We didn't mean to believe in Easter, the bunny?

No. No Easter. Did he died on a Friday?

Okay, we got to go. We got to go. We got to break and we're going to move along. Call back tomorrow. It's entertaining.

Okay, I appreciate it. Woohoo!

Someone said, be joyous. And what was it, big honkin' idiots? The truth is awesome. Hey folks, need to write back every messages. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. Hope you enjoyed that. That was fun.

Um For me. All right, let's get to Cole from Georgia. Cole, welcome. You're on the air. Ah, hello.

Uh like um Um let's um Now, um Um back to um Uh, baptism, the last time I talked to you.

Okay. All right.

Okay. No, uh Um Do you now I'm going to say one question and then I'm going to make a comment. Um Okay. Is there one example of Sprinkling in the New Testament. Yes.

There is yes.

Okay. Okay, where's that located? Jesus' baptism, because he had to fulfill the Old Testament law, and in order to enter the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek. According to he's that high priest, Hebrews 6:20 and 7:25. He had to fulfill the Old Testament law, that's Matthew 3:15.

And the requirements of the law in Leviticus chapter 8, Numbers chapter 4, and Exodus 29 were such things as he had to be 30 years of age to enter the priesthood. He was 30 at his baptism. He had to have a blessing given, my beloved Son, whom I'm well pleased, anointing with oil, which is the representative of the Holy Spirit, 1 John 2:27. And he had to be sprinkled with water, Numbers 8:7.

So that would be the fulfillment of sprinkling. Also, if you go to Hebrews chapter 10. What you'll see there is is uh I'll show you this, okay? In Hebrews chapter 10. If you go to verse uh Oh no, is it 10?

Yeah, it is 10. Come on, okay, hold on. Hebrews 10. Um Washing, that's right. Man, oh man, oh man, oh man.

Let me get to it. There we go. Hebrews 9:10. Not 10, 9. I get them mixed up.

Sorry. Hebrews 9:10. It says since they relate only to food and drink and various washings, regulations of the body imposed, the word washings there is baptismois.

Now the context. is uh Of Hebrews 9. The high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers of himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance. And then he goes on about what he does in the in the temple. It says, and these things relate to food, drink, various washings, regulations of the body.

And he says, For the blood of goats and bulls and ashes of heifers, sprinkling those who have been defiled.

So he goes on to mention sprinkling there in verse 13 and also in verse 19 and in verse 21. Because in verse 19 Yeah, but Matt, that sprinkling was probably referring to blood. They sprinkled the blood. Yes, various washings because they were washings. They were doing these things for cleansing and sprinkling the blood was one of the ways of being cleansed.

Yep. Yeah, but when you say that Jesus was sprinkled, and it clearly says he came up out of the water. Yes. But that doesn't mean he was immersed. John the Baptist.

Well let me uh let me uh let me explain my point. Like your point's invalid. Not a baptist. No, well, you can still let me explain it. Go ahead.

John the Baptist was baptizing him. If he would just need. What? Are you there? We lose you?

It's like the Catholics do.

Now you just said that the Catholics are apostate.

So that but you're going to follow what they do with the sprinkling. Think about that for a second. This is called genetic fallacy or guilt by association. It's not a logically valid criticism. Just because the Catholic Church does something doesn't mean it's false.

Okay?

So the issue is what does the scriptures say?

Now, when you say they both went down or when he went came up out of the water, I used to live in Southern California. We'd take the kids down to the beach. They'd be up in their their knees. We'd say, Come up out of the water. Just being in the water doesn't mean that you're immersed.

And you can prove this by going to Acts chapter 8, starting at verse 38. He ordered the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eubonic. when they came up out of the water.

So Philip and the eunuch went into the water. If the phrase come up out of the water means they were immersed, then both Philip and the eunuch were immersed, right? You see the problem with that logic, you're thinking? Are you there? Okay, but wait a minute.

Hold on.

Hold on a second.

Well, I see what you're saying there, but let me say this.

Okay, what's the definition of baptism in the New Testament? What's the raw. I'm tired. Definition of baptism. What is it?

Okay. Depends on the context. Yes. For example, in Acts 1:5, John baptized with water, but you'll be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. What does it mean to be baptized with the Holy Spirit?

Does it mean immersed? No, because the means by which You don't get sprinkled with the Holy Spirit, you get immersed. It engulfs you. It engulfs you. You're buried.

You're buried. That's what it represents. Baptism represents burial. And you can't be buried if you're sprinkled. The Holy Spirit is poured upon, as how the prophecy is.

In Isaiah 32:15, 44:3, Joel 2:28, 29. Acts 2.18, etc., the Holy Spirit is to be poured. That's how the Bible speaks of it. The Holy Spirit. I can read you the verses.

Okay?

In Acts 2, 28, 29, for example. It says that the pouring of the Holy Spirit. When we go to For example You go to Acts chapter 2. Verse 17. And it shall be in the last days that I will pour forth my spirit on all mankind.

In verse eighteen, I will in those days pour forth my spirit And they shall um Prophesy. In Isaiah 32, 15, until the Spirit is poured out upon us. Isaiah forty four three I poured out my spirit on your offspring. And you can go to Acts 2:17, I'll pour out my spirit on all mankind. Acts 2:18, I'll pour out my spirit.

The Spirit is poured. That's what the Bible says.

So when you go to Acts 2, excuse me, Acts 1:5. You baptize with the Holy Spirit. That's the pouring of the Spirit.

Well, the porn is closer to immersed in sprinklers, wouldn't you agree? Ha ha ha.

Well, I'm halfway between, maybe. But I'm showing you. I'm just kidding. Look, I'm just showing you what the Bible says in different contexts. You can't say baptism always means immersion, it does not.

Okay?

Well, it's like, look, if you get sprinkled, Matt, you're not going to eat your hair. Oh, your hair's not even going to get wet. That's what I'm saying. Look, um I'm just giving you the biblical, what the Bible talks about. Jesus had to fulfill the law.

At his baptism, I don't I I looked very, very deeply. into the Scriptures, doing word studies, I never found any place where a man was immersed in water while he is entering into the priesthood. It doesn't say that he's sprinkled with water. It's about it. up out of the water.

Why would they need to get down in the water to get sprinkled? It could be sprinkled or pouring. And. Are you familiar with, oh man, are you familiar with the hyssop branch? The hyssop.

Yeah. Okay, so the h the hyssop branch was used In rituals, it was used in various things that were happening. And let me see if I can find the notes on that. And the hyssop branch, the hyssop plant. Yeah.

Here we go. Hebrews 9, 19. For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of the calves and goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and the people. A hyssop is a plant. And it says, Numbers 19:18: A clean person shall take hyssop and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it on the tent.

and all the furnishings and the persons who were there.

Okay. So I'm just saying. They were in the desert, Matt. They had to do the sprinkling.

Okay, come on. We gotta use logic here. Yeah, that's what I'm doing. That's how come Mm-hmm.

Well, why would it why would the Bible say he he he John went there because there was much water. If he was sprinkling, he could just get a a cup of water. He wouldn't uh bath it all a basin of water. That's true, yeah. And I'm all the evidence point.

Hold on, let me comment. No, no, no, no, you can't say that. Look, when I baptize people, I prefer to immerse them. I think it's just psychologically, emotionally more satisfying. when my son Use the only one I ever I ever uh poured water on.

For baptism, my son was in the hospital and he was dying right after being born. And I you know took water. and I pour it on his head and baptize him in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And then he passed away.

So we couldn't immerse him. There was no place to do that. He was literally. You don't At my on my wife's chest. Dying.

Yeah, I'm sorry to hear about this.

So, son, but I don't believe that a kick unless you're at the age of accountability and you have to accept Christ. I don't believe in child baptism. There is no age of accountability in the Bible.

Okay?

See if you can find it. But hey, look, we got callers waiting. We didn't get going. Call back tomorrow, buddy.

Okay?

I enjoy your conversations. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

All right, everybody, welcome back to the show. It's been a good roller coaster ride today. I've really enjoyed it. Let's get to John. He's been waiting for almost 40 minutes.

John from Colorado, welcome. John the Air.

Well, start it. Don't we have other colors? Yes, I do, but you're the next longest wait. And then we got Jeff from Ohio who's been waiting a half hour. Mm.

So what do you got? Whoa. I was thinking about Martin Luther.

Okay, Martin Luther. And I like to think you're a lot like him. you know that kind of thing Well What does Martin Luther do? Mean a lot of people mad?

Well, you remember the movie, right? Aliens? That was a great movie. And you remember the part where he was telling the congregation: look, we obsess over these things.

Okay. These these relics. And obeying this this these rules. Do you have a question you want to ask? Or get to something with, you know.

Well All I'm saying is. This is a call to encourage you, saying you are much like kids.

Well, um Okay. I wouldn't put myself in his category, but I appreciate the the the the sentiment.

Well, you are.

Okay. And you're saying there's this dogma. Thus they present it to men cards. And partial decades. And nobody likes that.

But you still do it because you know what you're doing.

Well, if you think I do, and But we'll see.

Okay. Well, it's because you have been doing that in steps. Yeah, it's hard to understand.

Sorry. Get some background noise there. Hard to understand you. Wait, say that again? I've heard.

What I'm saying is, you are like Martin Luther. Yeah. Please be encouraged and keep going. There's one set.

Well, I appreciate that. That's nice. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Okay. Okay. And that was the losing wire called Okay.

Well, thanks very much. I appreciate that.

Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Well, um I wouldn't say I'm like Martin Luther, but Appreciate the compliment. All right, let's get to Jeff from Ohio.

Hey, Jeff, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, thanks for taking my call, Matt. Yeah, I know from hearing your past broadcasts that I know you're not cessationist. You believe in the Sign manifestations, I think.

But what is your position on? Praying in tongues, not speaking in tongues and having someone else interpret, but. Praying in tongues, or as some say, praying in the spirit. Is that biblical?

Well, it does say in the Bible: if you pray with tongues, and let me see if I can find that reference. Let's see, pray. With tongues. No, let's see. I I know there's a reference like that someplace.

Yeah. Uh Therefore, if this is 1 Corinthians 14, verse 13 and following, therefore, let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. If I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. What is the outcome then? If I pray with the spirit, I'll pray with the mind also.

So apparently what we can derive from this Is that you can pray in a tongue and not know? what you're saying. Your mind is not edified, but your spirit is.

So I that's why I don't have a problem with it, because of those verses.

Okay. All right.

Yeah, because I know yeah, here's the thing, you know, I am Reformed and I do attend a uh reformed church. Uh However, um Thing is, I had attended Previously, an OPC church. You know, it was, they had evening services, the teachings were great, but When I looked at their literature, they there was a case about where A pastor was disciplined for praying in tongues during private devotions and. That was the deal breaker for me. Good.

Yes, um they're hardcore cessationist. And the arguments that they have for cessationism, in my opinion, are very weak. And this is a very important issue to me because when I was a pastor, I lost my pastorate over this issue. of the charismatic gifts.

So I did study it. Which can you tell me which denomination? PCA, Presbyterian Church in America. Ooh, PCA.

Okay. Yeah, the thing is My experience, the thing is, I do attend a PCA church, but I haven't told anybody about. any of that, but I do know that there are um soft continuous in that That denomination. And so, you know, I sort of. You know, I just Keep it to myself for the time, unless it's somebody I know I can trust.

And And let's see, what else? Oh, and the thing is, you you mentioned weak arguments. The thing is, how I can't logically embrace cessationism based on knowing that The Scottish Reformers, to include Andrew Melville and I think even John Knox, they walked in some of those manifestations. Yes, I did. If you go to my website, CalvinistCorner.com And you go down to the bottom, I'm doing it right now.

You'll see CalvinistCorner dot com. Corner.

Okay. Calvinist one word. There's John Knox, Robert Fleming, George Wishart, who. moved in the charismatic gifts. And it's documented.

I also heard a story. I don't know if this is substantiated. It was a secondhand account supposedly. From a friend of John Calvin, who he overheard his friend John Calvin praying, and he got so. Wound up in the spirit, apparently, that he started speaking in a tongue that sounded.

Hebraic or Semitic.

However, it freaked out John Calvin so much because he was afraid. that the language he was speaking was from one of the Canaanite nations that the Lord had ordered to be wiped out when the Hebrews entered the I wouldn't know. How would they know? But again, again, that's unsubstantiated. I just wondered if you had heard about that.

No, I have not. Not heard that. I take it with a grain of salt. Yeah, I would, yeah, with a ton of salt. Yeah, okay.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, what gets me is that's a keynet language. How would they know? How would he know what the Kanite language was?

Well, he no, he didn't know. He that said that he was afraid that it might be. Oh, okay.

Well, yeah, I don't know. If you can find documentation on that, it'd be worth looking at. But now I don't know.

Okay, so. But I do believe in all these gifts, but I'm a soft. Non-cessationists. I don't believe in using them all the time. I don't believe that it's legit.

I have a pastor friend that we prayed together. He says, Do you mind if I pray in tongues? I say, I don't, I don't, it doesn't bother me at all. He's praying in tongues. I'm unusual as a Calvinist in that.

Yeah, I'm very unusual. Most Calvinists would never approve of that, but I do because I don't see any reason to deny it out of Scripture.

Okay. Alrighty. Cool. All right.

It's good. God bless. Thank you for your time.

Okay, God bless. All right, next is Jermaine. Jermaine, man. Woo! Man, we had they were all the slots were filled up right away.

Guys have been waiting a long time. Jermaine, welcome, buddy. You're on the air. My idea is uh It's good to get in. I'm glad you had a full line of callers today.

Oh man. Yeah, we got two more waiting after you.

So what do you got? Well, um Yeah, I wanted to ask you about the demonology a lot, and I'll be quick today. You pick it up tomorrow. I heard the story you told about the what sounded like familiar spirits. And I know the Bible doesn't really hardcore elaborate on that, but Is it wrong to research that stuff?

Because some people. think we shouldn't even know the ways of of uh in evil kingdoms, but I personally don't have any problem learning, but I don't I don't take it as scripture, you know. Yeah. Well, I have no problem studying that stuff in order to expose what the lies are and the deception of the evil one. It's like me reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church or Sasha and Helf's Key to the Scriptures or the Book of Mormon or the Koran to read what the the false things are in in different churches.

And so you can expose them. I'm called to do that kind of a thing. I don't think the average Joe is. And I think anybody who wants to study demonology better be well prayed up Have people in your corner to pray. You better know what you're getting into.

It's not easy. It's a serious thing. I remember the first time when I got a bunch of books on Wicca, which is Satanism Light.

Okay. Mm-hmm. And I prayed over those books because I was going to do research. I wrote a lot on Wicca. That night, I had one of the most horrendous nightmares I'd ever had in my life.

seriously, the kind that took a full minute, after even after waking up, to calm down. And then two days later, I get a suspicious flat tire on the freeway. And then two or three days after that, I got ejected out at a river. out of a a raft and cracked some ribs and almost broke my left arm. And so just weird things all within a few days.

So you you better pray uh things happen.

Okay. Yeah, and I'll I'll pick it up tomorrow when you have more time. And I do want to say it's an honor to talk to the great Martin Luther Slick. Yeah. Wow, never been called that before.

But uh Yeah, he was a good man. Martin Luther, he was good. He was good stuff. Red butter.

Well, God bless. All right.

All right.

God bless you.

Okay. Yeah. Well, we don't have time to get on to the next caller because we've only got a minute or or so left in the show. A minute and a half. But Brad from North Carolina and Andrea from North Carolina, I want you to call back tomorrow with a new heavens and new earth because Brad got some interesting stuff to talk about on that.

And Andrea, where the Black Hebrews lights come from. We have documentation or research on it as well.

So about the uh Concerning demonic stuff, I wanted to say this. I want to take this one last minute to talk about this. It's okay to study it if God calls you to do that. If you're doing it for the research to teach others, to know what the enemy is doing. But if you are curious about stuff just to learn.

This is an area you should be very, very cautious about. because you can get in over your head very quickly. And I recommend that people who, if you're interested in studying that, it better be for the right reasons. And if you want to, you talk to your elders of your church about it. This is serious stuff.

It's edging right up to the cliff. and you better make sure you know what you're doing. And even when I think about studying and doing a section on it, Uh I'm reticent to do it. I would only do that after. I got my friends to pray for me.

And I was in prayer before I ever started to open up the books to look.

So, this is a serious thing, and I just want to let people know about that. Don't look at it whimsically. Just be very careful about it because there are real forces out there.

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