Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at Carm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your call and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, and welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live if you want to give me a call, as usual. The number's easy: 877-2072276. Today's date is March 13th.

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Alright, hey, let's uh Let's get to Kent. For North Carolina. Kent, welcome. You're on the air. Uh Hi, Matt.

How you doing today? Oh, I'm hanging in there. I'm hanging in there, man. What do you got, buddy? What's up?

Alrighty. Hey, buddy, I've been doing my studies here, and I've been doing a research on a tribe of the world to Israel and Jerusalem. What is Jesus' original name? Oh, it's just Jesus in the Greek for Matthew 1:21. The way to pronounce it, from what I understand about Greek pronunciation, it's Jesus, i.a.

Easus, but Yasus. That's what it really is.

Now, some say that it's. And uh it's a the Hebrew for a form will be Yahushua. or Yeshua.

So that's it go either way. Where did Jesus come from? It's no such thing as Jesus. Where did that name come from? If Jesus is Latin.

Origin of Jesus is Latin and Christ is Greek. How can that be his name? And there's no such thing that name come from Roman Greek. Hebrew is from Jerusalem, Africa. Yeah, all it is is, it's like my name in Greek is Matiat.

Well, in Spanish it's Mateo. In English it's Matt or Matthew.

So pronunciation isn't exactly necessary.

Sometimes the There are groups that say you have to pronounce his name properly.

Well, if that's the case, they wouldn't be that legalistic, then they're they're going to be in trouble because no one knows how the name is pronounced actually. No one knows. Perfectly, that is.

Okay, I have a Hebrew version. My Hebrew version. In the Hebrew version, it says Acts 4 and 12, there is no other name. Under heaven nor earth name could be saved upon them through that name. Yes, we are Hamas Sheikh and the father is Jehuah.

No, it's Jesus. It's a Greek form, and that's the the Greek is the language that God decided would be used to display and distribute the issue of who Christ is. And the name in Greek is Jesus. We just say the Englishized version of it is Jesus. And that's perfectly acceptable.

Okay, who are the translators? I don't have a fucking embarrassment. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Let me ask you.

Hold on. You ask a question, I want to answer it. I don't have a memorized list of names of translators of different Bibles. That uh is okay, so it That's not an issue. All right, are you there?

The translators was Council of Narcio. And the Council of Trent went in there and changed the name out, which is all Catholic.

Okay, so I've just told you what the issue is. It's not a big deal. And so, what group do you belong to? I mean, who is right?

Okay. The Hebrew is like this to go back to all nations and speak the truth. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I just asked a question. I didn't ask for a dissertation.

Okay?

Okay. Yes, I think.

So uh So let me ask you, the Hebrews, right? Do you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity? And I'll start taking a tree in the damn. I just asked if you believe in doctrine. I asked if it's so difficult.

I just asked, do you believe the doctrine of the Trinity?

So do you or do you not? I'm sorry? No. No, not that.

So it's okay. Is Jesus God in flesh? No, sir. No sir. Thanks, Jesus.

Okay, the person, Yesus, who's crucified on the cross, the person who some people call Yeshua, some call Jesus, was that one? Did he die on the cross? Yes, Yahushua Homosha is not chief.

So is he God in flesh? Not Jesus, Yahushua is.

Okay, look. Look. Do you understand the concept of different languages saying of referring to the same thing with different pronunciations of words? Like Matteo in Spanish versus Matthew in English.

So if. My name is Matthew, and someone calls me Mateo. Is that my name? Is it my name?

Well, that's not a good example. No, you can't. I didn't ask if it was a good example. I didn't ask if it was a good example. I said, is it my name?

Yeah, yeah. Still your name, and yeah, it can be still your name, but you can't go change the world now. Can't, can't, can't. I just asked if someone says in Spanish, you know. Come seeama, and I say mateo.

Is that good? Is it okay? In the hardware. It can't be good, but you know, but it can be good, but can't, you're not listening, you're not listening. If someone said ask me in Spanish, Someone asked me in Spanish, What is your name?

And in Spanish I respond and say, My name is Matteo. Mi nombre is Mateo. If I were to say that Is am I correct in saying my name is Matteo? Yeah, you could be correct. You fully understand you have for the understanding.

So all I'm doing then is translating my name into the language they understand for clarity. Right? Yeah, if you're born it's that lie, but it's born it's a lie. That's not his name. If you do your research, Is it a lie to say my name is Mateo?

That's not no true example. You can't change the father's. I just asked you. I asked, is it a lie to you to say that? That's all I asked.

Is it a lie? Yeah, if it's not your name, yeah, that's a lie, because that's what your name. Because if we say, okay, let's go back.

Now, Jesus is Latin Christ is Greek Kent. You are not listening. If I told them, if I said, My name is I'm telling somebody in Spanish. I'm semi-fluent in Spanish, okay?

So if I were to say that my name is Matteo, my nombre is Matteo. Am I being accurate? I'm telling them in Spanish. My name is Matthew. You've been accurate in that region, yes.

I'd be accurate. Great.

So, now, so then the principle is easy. If someone says their name and they speak another language and translate that into that other language, It's not inaccurate, is it? Right? Because the origination originally that name is Greek and Latin but Oh, and that's what you're from. You're not listening.

It's English and Spanish we're talking about. I said, if I say to someone in Spanish, my name is Matthew, but the equivalent in Spanish is minombre is Mateo. If I say that, and I'm being accurate. You already said I am. Matteo is simply the Spanish pronunciation of my name, Matthew.

It's all it is.

So I'm accurate if I say my name is that. Right? Okay. So why is it a problem?

So why is it a problem?

Why is it a problem when God addresses Jesus As and Jesus addresses himself, or the disciples address him, I should say, as Jesus, Jesus in the Greek. Are they wrong for addressing him in uh as Jesus in the Greek? Is the is the Greek New Testament wrong? Yes, sir, all day long. The research is not it's been translated is not right, it's it's lies.

Okay. So then you're saying the Greek New Testament is wrong.

Okay. Since it is his birth of Satan And when we say, God, what God are we talking about? And God we trust, we're talking about that's Satan they're talking about. That's a topic.

So then, when Luke is. And wrote in Greek, or Paul wrote in Greek. and referred to Jesus as Je Jesus in ge in the Greek. Were they of Satan when they were doing that? Yes, sir.

If this name is not right, ask when they changed the name out. That wrong, that name is not his name all day long.

So that's a tagging name.

So when Paul uh used uh the word Jesus Uh he was he was sinning. When Paul did that, Paul the Apostle? If you do your research, he wants to use that name Jesus. He would use that name Yehoshua and Yehoah.

Okay. So hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. In Acts 9 Verse 5. Paul uh Saul, who became Paul. Says, who are you, Lord?

And he says, I am Jesus. I am Jesus whom you're persecuting.

So we have in the Greek word Jesus refers to himself as Jesus. Is is Jesus wrong? Your son is running all day long.

Okay, I look at it. He was at my name. Jesus was wrong? Yeah, so that nigga, he didn't say his name was Jesus. He said his name was Jehoshaphat.

I'm Jehosha. Yahweh is my name. Can you show me the manuscripts? What manuscripts show why don't you let me finish my questions to you? What manuscripts show The word Jesus as Yeshua Mashiach.

What are they? Where are they? Divine Cephar. C-E-P-H-E-R. It's got all your pockets of books and everything, and Enoch and books missing.

But Enoch is not Scripture. The apocryphal books are not scripture. You gotta add it for your reference. Enoch is inspired in scripture. It is heard of party balls.

One of the books that counts out of sin when they'll take hours. Yasher, Maccabees, all those, about 12 books missing. It's only 66 books. That's Satan's book. It's only six or six books, it'll be eighty seven books.

Okay. Can you hold on? We got a break. Maybe people will be interested in hearing what you have to say. Hold on, okay?

Hey, folks, we'll be back after the break, the message.

So, hopefully, this is interesting because I'm smiling. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Alright, and welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with um with Ken for North Carolina. Are you there? Are you still there? Maybe not.

We'll just give them a little bipped. And the beeps, not sure what's going on. Hold on a couple more. And then one more. Let's see.

One, come on. Are you there? Nope. All right, well, put them on hold. And maybe they can drop him so you can get back in.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, as you could tell, That was a difficult conversation. Hopefully it'll come back. It's pretty typical of BHI, Black Hebrews, or Light. It's a racist organizational movement. White people basically are evil.

And uh of the devil. And uh this thing, the defiance cipher, was compiled by a guy named Stephen Pidgwin. And it was pop, it's very popular among their groups.

Now, he had no formal training in Greek or Hebrew. or what's called textual criticism, which is the study of how biblical manuscripts are copied, transmitted, what manuscripts are where, nothing like that. There is uh there's nobody who's of any quality who said, Yeah, this guy knows what he's talking about. No, there's no peer review. And what's really important is there's absolutely no manuscript basis for any of the so-called changes in ideas that he's saying.

And just so you know, Yahua and Yahshua, Yahushua. are Hebrew roots inventions. They don't appear in any of the manuscripts.

So, uh So There's no evidence to support what they have. You have to ask: what manuscript evidence is there? As I was beginning to get into with them, starting to go on the. Certainly go on the offensive. And they had to break.

What manuscript evidence is there for such a claim to be validated? What are the qualifications of this guy who did this compilation? And no, the apocryphal books are not scripture. They are false books in the sense that they're not inspired. They don't belong to the Bible.

So here's one thing that's really important. Yahushua, Hamashiad, all this does not appear anywhere in any Hebrew manuscript. And for him to say that Paul the Apostle was wrong, and that as I went to Hebrew, it was going to be Acts 9, where in the Greek it says, I am Jesus, Jesus, the Greek name, that Paul was then wrong, and then everybody else is wrong. You can just see how ludicrous. This becomes.

Let me tell you, I've had many dealings with BHI, Black Hebrews right. And it is a, like I said, a very racist organization. And I'll go over a little bit of it now and talk about it so we've got no callers waiting. It's uh They claim that there are, or they're the descendants of Jacob, that they are. And that the descendants of Esau, the Edomites, are white people and they're cursed.

Now, these are the basic beliefs.

So Jacob and Esau. Jacob are them. And the Edomites are the white people who are cursed. I've actually been called a white devil. By one of the leaders in a group there.

I had a discussion with them. He called me a white devil. And uh I said that I would be a slave in heaven to them. It says also my notes here. I got my notes in my file on Black Keeper Israelites.

They're descendants of the transatlantic slave trade and are the true Israelites, as they say. Their ancestors did not keep the commandments of God, etcetera. They deny the Trinity. The deed of Christ, the deed of the Holy Spirit, justification by faith. It's a complete non-Christian cult movement.

So, um Let's see. The views vary on Jesus. There are. A lot of fractions of factions, excuse me. Inside the BH movement, Black Hebrew Israelite movement, or the Hebrew Israelite.

They don't like to say black Hebrew Israelite anymore, they like to go with Hebrew Israelite. But BHI is more inclusive. People understand what those three letters mean. But generally, they just go with Hebrew Israelites now. And so there are different groups.

I think there's 1 to 200 I've heard that are under the basic umbrella of this. They deny that Jesus is God in flesh, and they identify Jesus as the Messiah who will restore Israel, and that's okay, but he's not. Um He's not caught in flesh. And they generally believe that he was a black guy. They hold to the King James Bible.

1611 version, which I love talking to people. They hold, we hold to the original 1611. No, you don't. They just do not. If you want to be entertained, go out on the web, go to Google, and say, show me a picture of a page of the original 1611.

King James Bible, and you read the try and read it. The text is very difficult to read. Because of the way the letters are done and how ancient English. Has changed quite a bit from then to now, and you can see the original language, and it's really difficult to, you can't read it easily and smoothly, let's just say.

So, uh And some of the origins. In the 1880s, Frank Cherry and William Saunders Crowdie claimed to have revelation from God, stating that the African Americans were the true descendants of the Old Testament Hebrews. In the mid-1900s, there was a group called the Commandment Keepers. Ababebanese, I don't know if I got that spelled right, started the Israeli school of Tanakh. and he was killed by Nation of Islam Muslims.

And um The mid-90s here, last century, there were a split. group of African Americans who believe they're descendants of Israelites in the Bible, blah blah blah.

Okay. So individual groups Favor different variations, but I'll refer to God and Jesus as Yahooshi. Yahawah, Yahweh, or YHWH, and reject spellings or pronunciations of mainstream Judaism. Let's see people and I got the history, I got some of that. Oh, this is interesting too.

Mm-hmm. The twelve tribes of Israel were all black, all right, and this is how they are disseminated geographically. Judah. is the American blacks. The tribe of Benjamin is the West Indian blacks.

The Levi tribe of Levi is Haitians. Ephraim is Puerto Ricans, Manasseh is the Cubans, Simeon the Dominicans, Zebulon is Guatemala to Panama, and some say it's the Mayans. Gad is a Native American Indians, Reuben Seminole Indians, Asher is Colombia to Uruguay. Issacar is the Mexicans, and and Naftali are the Argentinians. And so you can see why they're moving away from black Hebrew Israelite because they're now including these twelve tribes.

basically all the non-white ones. I don't know what they do with the Asians though. That that's uh That'll be interesting.

So the Divine Cipher, yeah, completed. I have my notes here at C Resources. Go and camp. There's different kinds of camps. And so it's really hard to know every one of them.

There's a lot of different variations.

Now I know a guy who's an expert in this, maybe I'll get him on sometime, we can talk about it.

Now, they'll say the Bible has errors in it, it's the Word of God, and yet it has problems. They include the apocryphal books. The Father created Jesus, the Son preexisted as a created spiritual being. The Holy Spirit is a she, as a created being. Um More moderate groups, there's because, like I said, there are different groups in the group in the overall movement.

They're sympathetic towards Gentile.

Some moderate groups are sympathetic towards Gentile salvation, but they will be servants and treated well. uh in heaven. Israelites are the ruling class, Gentiles are second class. The only thing Gentiles look forward to in heaven is slavery. Through faith in Christ and keeping the law of Moses, this is how you're saved.

Jesus' sacrifice only fulfilled the animal sacrificial system, so no more animal sac sacrifices are necessary. You have to keep the law, the Sabbath, feast days, etc.

So, uh let's see. They're not I don't know my my was not able to find out if how much, if any, hold to what's called original sin? Um And let's see, I think that's about it for the break there. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. And we'll be right back.

And give me a call. We'll be right back. Yeah. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your call at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Alright, and welcome back to the show. And it looks like the Blackie Wizard guy is back. Hmm, let's give it a go. Let's see how it goes. Kent, are you...

You still there? Are you there? Whoops, we lost them. Hope I didn't hang up on him accidentally. I thought I hit the right button, I've done it so many times.

It's possible I could have Oh, he's calling back, so we'll see. Let me see if I can as soon as he hangs. As soon as it connects, oh, it's not going through.

Something's happening. It went and failed.

So uh Yeah, the Black Keeper Israelite Movement, like I said, it is a racist organization. It is. Let me see if you can get back on with Kent. Kent, are you still there? Yes, I'm here.

I'm here, man. How you doing? That's not a racist um That's not a racist group. That was a group that was called that Moses led to the mountain of Mount Sinai. They were the people to go back and tell the truth to a group of people, the Hebrew Israelites, to go back and tell the people the truth.

Okay, well, let me ask you.

So am I a d I'm a white guy, so am I an Edomite? Yes, sir. You know what seed? We all brothers and sisters, Esau and Jacob's seed. You know what seed you fall upon?

So the answer is yes. Yes, I'm an Edomite.

Okay. So am I cursed because I'm an Edomite? I want you to have the opportunity to come out, but you have to come out in truth. Because Christians are telling lies out here. You got a tithe and they're Christians.

Who are the Christians? You know about the Christians, people that are lying.

Okay. Do you know how many doctrinal days there's four doctrines?

So hold on, hold on, hold on, okay.

So I want to know, are white people, by definition, the Edomites who are cursed?

Well, if that depends, if you come out from the truth, it gives everybody opportunity. If you come into the truth, you can come out of the lie, but if you upon that lie, you upon a courage, yes, you are.

Alright, so I'm cursed.

So then what do I have to do to become uncursed? You have to come out from those lies that we've been taught that Deuteronomy 2:8 tells you the curses is come upon you. What cur what we've been taught is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, that's a lie. That's that's that's uh There's the doctrine of air rock.

The doctrine of demons, if what you're teaching.

Okay, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait.

So, the doctrines of demons are the Trinity, for example? Right. Right. All that lies.

Okay, Trinity that Jesus is God in flesh. Um And that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone? Right. Right by Graves. That's what you show.

So no, wait, wait.

So it's a lie to say that salvation is by grace alone in faith al uh with faith by faith alone in Christ alone? Ah, quite yes, it's a lie, that's a lie. On the lies. Excuse me. To go to heaven, what things you got to do?

You could do ABC, admit, believe, and. Confess that Yahushua Hama Shift is the only truly living LOM. Do you have to keep being on this? You have to keep any laws? You still can obey your law.

Yes, sir. Yeah, obey its laws. It it Okay, so obey. It's a law.

Okay, all right.

So you had to obey what laws? What laws you have to obey to be saved? All the commands. Miss Herb. The same off under the old Tataros still exists.

Yes, sir. We have to obey.

So we have to, like, for example, uh, worship on Saturday. Shabbat, good point. Did you know it? Jabba did the day we supposed to worship. But remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

Everybody tell me, it doesn't matter. Sunday is a Sunday called Raw, which is Catholic.

So do we have to worship on Saturday to be saved? Yes, sir. Okay. You're not your curse from the curse. At the workshop on Saturday, do we have to?

keep the festivals. Yes, sir. Speed low.

Soon as all the remembrance of me is your how Okay. And um So you have to keep the commandments? Your turn.

Okay. Matthew 28, can I ask you one question? Matthew 28 said, Be faith and baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the rural orthodox. What's the Father's name? It it doesn't say names of it says the name.

Of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, because the word name there is the designation of something different than what you're understanding, it's by authority.

Okay. Okay, when we say God, what God are you talking about? Because we've got to be specific with this thing there, because the God what you're talking about is a marker, that's Satan. Uh no, um and God's we trust that's faith. His actual name is Elohim.

Which is plural God is singular, which is safety. Um So the name The name, singular name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. What is that singular name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit? The the single name is Elohim. No, that's not the word.

No, that's not a name. That's the word in Hebrew for the word God. A single name, that's Yahushua is his name.

So God's name is Yahweh. Yahawa, Y-A-H-U-A-H. No, Yahwah, Yahwah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not accurate. No, the Hebrew word Yah Yahweh or YHWH occurs like 7,500 times in the Old Testament.

And the vowel points don't point to your pronunciation.

Okay. Done.

Now it's a three cent Told Moses when he was in the when Jehovah was in the burnt book. He said, Who must I say? Sit me. What was that name did he say yet? In Exodus three.

Well, he says, I am that I am. That's Yahweh. In fact, in Isaiah 42:8, Isaiah 42:8, God is talking. He says, I am Yahweh. And that is my name.

I am is not a name, that's a title. Wait a minute. I'm asking the the mean it.

So in Isaiah forty two eight. When God says, I am the Lord, I am, excuse me, I am Yahweh. That is my name. That's not accurate? Yeah, it's actual dead and you're accurate.

You go there.

So God's name is the tetragrammaton, Yohe Vavhe. Right. Yes, sir, April. Jesus is Latin Christ is Greek, which means that's a Roman and Greek European name.

So which is pagan. You gotta focus.

So when he says that his name, Isaiah 42, 8. Is Yahweh, or what is the right way to pronounce, or what do you think is the right way to pronounce YHWH? Yohawa.

So how do you know that's correct? And that means inhale and exhale. Forgive me, hell is that chill as them yak wall? Hushahama Shakana is name. And I guess it's dane.

Power.

Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Um So what I'm asking is how do you know it's the right pronunciation. How do I know? Yeah.

That's research. It's all about Do your research.

Well, I'm kind of known to do research. Hebrew proper pronunciation is Yahawah. which means to inhale and to exhale, it name means the light.

So, okay, do you know what vowel points are? different valid points are. Um pronunciation yes, um pronunciation of your words, yes. What's a vowel point? Your pronunciation, how you pronounce your pronunciations.

No, not not.

Okay. A vowel point in Hebrew is a mark that is used to designate vowels. Pronunciation is the combination of consonants and vowels.

So that that's what it is.

So different vowel points. It's just the kind of vowels like A-E-I-O-U, that kind of thing. That's how it's done in Hebrew.

So there were no vowel points when the Masoretic text was done. The r the original Hebrew was done, let me put it that way. When that was done, there was no vowel points.

So how do you know how it was pronounced since there's no vowel points in the original Hebrew? You have to be led by the holy Ruach, Ruach Akadash. The Ruach Emoth, which are teaching, guide you to all truths called the Ruach Emoth. And there's something in the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit.

So, so, so, so, but, but you see, I am led by the Holy Spirit.

Okay, so I don't agree with you.

Okay. You're about a doctrine of error, the doctrine of intentional and unintentional, and the doctrine of demons. No, no, no. You're the one with the doctrine of demons. You're the one who denies what Christ says about himself.

You're the one who denies who Paul takes. You're the one who denies that the Trinity is true and that Jesus is God in flesh. You're the one who adds works to salvation. You're the one who's teaching demonic doctrine. You're on your way to hell.

You need to repent. You're not upon a sound doctrine. You don't have sound doctrine. You don't have sound doctrine. You don't know what the truth is.

You don't even know how to pronounce God's name. You don't even know. Do you know the first day where the angels were created? They were created on the first day and guess what they wanted to do.

So, let me ask you.

So, let me ask you: are you doing enough good? We got a break coming up. Hold on after the break, I'm going to ask you a question. Are you keeping enough commandments to be forgiven of your sins? That's the question.

Are you keeping enough commandments to be forgiven? Folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Roderim, welcome back to the show. Whoa, cough. Wow, that came out of nowhere.

Sorry about that. All right, let's get back on with Kent from North Carolina. Kent, are you still there? Okay, let's see if we lost him. He should be working.

Kent, are you still there? Okay. Hello, can't. It's one of the things I like to ask people. is um What is uh you know What commandments do you have to keep in order to keep yourself saved?

I always think that's an interesting question. And uh I got another question I want to ask him to see if he knows how to answer. And there are questions I can ask. I don't know if Kent's still there. It's been a long time since I've really talked to a BHI guy.

I think he's the last guy I talked to here, I don't know, maybe a year or so ago. Or less, I don't know, we'll see. But hopefully he'll he'll uh We'll get back on the air here. And um In the meantime, I think I'm going to do... you just kind of summarize some stuff about religious systems.

You gotta understand something, ladies and gentlemen, that cults false religious systems. Very often, what they do, it's very rare. for this exception, but there are some. But basically 99% of everything I've studied. I'm just thinking of the Christadelphians, but it's another issue.

Anyway, they teach that you have to keep commandments to be saved. All of them teach. All false religious systems teach that your faith and your works keep yourself right with God. And this is one of the things, the problem with the BHI. Is because it goes in hands in hand.

If you deny that Jesus Christ is God in flesh, died on the cross and rose from the dead and bore your sins, then God did everything necessary. If God did everything necessary for your salvation by dying on the cross, then what you've got to do is believe. You trust what Christ did. But if Jesus is not God, then he's a creature, then that sacrifice is not of infinite value. If it's not of infinite value for the infinite God, you're left uh carrying the rest of it.

So it always works out that you've got to do works and varying commandments in order to be saved. And as I was working with him, he said you have to obey the law of the commandments, Saturday worship festivals, keep the Ten Commandments, etc. And one of the things I'll do Let's see, he's back on. Let's see, we lost him. Let's get back on.

Are you still there, buddy? Oh, yeah, I'm the man.

Okay, we lost you.

So I asked you before the break. What are those things you've got to do to keep yourself right with God, with the infinitely holy God? What do you have to do? Yeah. Yeah, basically to live to live for Elohim, the Savior of the world, you must change from your ways.

Your sinful nature, we're born into sin, and you must. admit, believe and confess. And change your way of living and come into the true knowledge of him and live for his life upon the Torah and the Bazaar. which we are missing we got missing books out here. And the books that we are missing is not it's not put the whole truth in that is not yet here together.

The John 8:13. You have difficulty answering simple questions, you kind of launch into other directions so. You have to keep tea excuse me, you have to keep the Ten Commandments to be saved, right? All the commandments are you must keep his commandments.

Okay, are you keeping the Ten Commandments? Yes, sir. I've tried two days. Yes, sir. I'm I'm living to live.

Well wait wait wait a second.

So you're not doing it, you're just trying, right? No, I'm doing I'm living it, you said through him. Do you keep them perfectly all the time? I mean, I I can't say practically all the time, but I'm Practical, yes, sir. I'm living according to his word, yes, sir.

Do you keep them perfectly all the time? Well I won't say Paul I mean you know I'm I'm exhibiting the cordon, yes, word evidence, yes sir. No, well, you know, try to live his life accordingly.

Okay, so you're not doing them, you're trying, which means you're failing.

Okay, so you're failing to keep the law of God.

Well then that means that If you've ever lied or lusted or coveted or anything like that, after you adopt all this stuff, that means that's what you are. You're a lying, covetous person, right? Because you're not keeping the law perfectly, you keep failing, right? Doesn't that mean you're a failure? No, through the blood of Yushi Yehusha, he paid the price.

Wait, wait, wait. If he paid the price, why do you have to keep the Ten Commandments? If didn't He already do all that was necessary? He did. That's why the blood of Yahushua, that's when grace comes in, grace and mercy.

But from the old test, you're talking about from the law. No, you are.

So, um If Jesus did everything that was necessary, What do you have to do to be saved?

Well now, let's get it cleared up. Jesus didn't do anything. That's why the churches are so confused because Jesus didn't pay no price. I don't even know who this Jesus is blue eyed white devil. That's not his name.

And I don't know why the people keep giving credit where credit is not due. What's the name of the individual who died on the cross 2,000 years ago? What's his name? His name was Yehusha HaBashiach, which means the Savior and Anointed One. Jesus means earth pigs.

Okay, so I'll say Yahusha. for short, okay? Uh so did he did he uh Cleanse did he Let's see, did he wipe away all the sins? Yes, sir, he took him even deal. If he wiped away all the sins, why do you have to keep the Ten Commandments to be saved?

You still have to live your standards. You still got to live according to his word. That's what change means. Confession means you're going to change from the way you were.

Now you're a new man. You're putting on the interval. Hold on. You got to focus. You got to focus.

So if he already. If he already uh took away all your sins, Then Why do you have to keep the Ten Commandments to be saved? If all of your sins are already gone, that means you're saved, right? Yes. You can't be hypocritical now.

You gotta be sincere.

Well, hold on. I'm just ask I'm working from your perspective, okay?

So you're saying two things that seem contradictory. One, you have to keep the Ten Commandments to be saved, but at the same time, Yahushua is the one who already took away all of your sins.

So, if you have to keep the Ten Commandments to be saved, then His taking away all of your sin is not enough. Right. I said, no, it's the blood covered at all. Even the Shabbat day people don't even keep he said, remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. People don't even live by the Sabbath day.

If if he kept if he took care of it all, removed all of it, why do you have to do anything to keep it to get saved if you're already taken care of completely and totally. You got to realize what we fight against. We fight against flesh and spirit. You've got to do away with the flesh. Whichever dog you feed the most, that's going to be your dominant dog.

You can't let the flesh lead you. That's your worst enemy. I understand that. I understand that. We're not talking about struggling against our flesh.

I do that. Other Christians do that. But we're saved by the grace of God. We're saved by the crucifixion. Death, bell, resurrection who cleanses of our sins.

So we don't have to keep the Ten Commandments to be saved. Because Jesus, excuse me, the guy on the cross, did it all. And since he did it all, we trust in what he did alone. And that's what makes us right before God. We go out and do the other things because that's just what's the right thing to do, but doing the right thing doesn't get us.

saved or forgiven or keep us saved or forgiven, okay? Yeah. No, what you're doing, you're giving a right to sin. No, no, you're not. You're still once you once you change your life, give your life to sin.

You're giving a license to sin. You can't do that. You still, you gotta change.

So when I say change, You've got to change from your ways always. If you're not sincere, you're not, Kent. That's not what I said.

Okay. Yeah. So I thought, didn't the Ten Commandments say to uh You know what I'm saying? Love your neighbor as yourself.

So, am I your neighbor? Yes, sir. Am I your neighbor? Yes, you are.

Okay, good. Yes, sir. So, then, do you think maybe in that it might include. listening to actually the questions and dealing with the questions maybe. You know?

Yes over?

Okay, good. So did uh Yahushua, did he remove all of your sins on the cross? Yes, it is. Did he? Yeah, we got a father to him.

Everyone, whoever we are.

So did he do it for everybody who ever lived, or did he only do it for those who would believe? Who sold? Will let him come. I know, I understand that. I didn't ask that, though.

I asked this question. I didn't ask that question. I asked a different one. Did Jesus, did Yahushu remove the sin? from every individual who ever lived, or only those who would believe.

Or those that will believe. To whoever will believe.

So then, welcome to Calvinism. That's Calvinism you're espousing. Yeah. It's Calvinism, that Jesus Yeah, but you said he was dead for the believers, not for everybody, but for those who would believe. That's Jesus or excuse me, that's him saying he lays his life down for the sheep.

John 10, 11. Right. Yeah. So then, if that's the case, why do you have to insult? His work on the cross by saying you have to keep commandments in addition to what he did in order to be saved from your sins, since he already took care of them.

Why do you think why do you insult him like that? I'm not in fault to them. You have to give respect, or respect you do. He pays the price that you're like, if you don't buy it. You did your wife wrong, you apologized to your wife, but you continue to doing it.

You're not sincere. No, I didn't say that. It's strictly, very narrowly understood. Then I'm talking about is the removal of sin. That problem, not what you do afterward.

You're mixing up the time reference here. That once Jesus has removed all of your sin, then do you have to do good works in order to have your sins removed? if they've already been removed. Then you just got to do your works, yes. You do.

You do have to do words. You're going to be held accountable for your works also.

So that's not the same thing, what I'm talking about.

So you're saying you have to do g keep the commandments, among other things, in order to have your sins forgiven, right? Right. But Jesus, as you said, already forgave us all our sins. He cancelled that, all this took care of it and removed it at the cross, right? Yeah, sure, for the believers.

If it's already gone, that's actually Colossians 2:14, you're referencing without knowing it. But if he removed the debt, the sin at the cross, then there's nothing you can do to remove it because it's already removed, right? Do you like it?

Okay. Yeah, that's true. That's Reformed theology, by the way. It's Calvinism. And it was started by a white guy in France in the 1500s, just so you know.

And so you are actually espousing. The theological perspective of limited atonement, where Jesus canceled the sin debt for the believers, not everybody. And that's what you're saying. That's what I got y I understand you to say. And yet at the same time you say you also have to keep commandments in order to get those sins forgiven that are already forgiven, already canceled.

That that's that's a contradiction.

Okay. Now let's remember why such a contribution comes when there's a lie at It keeps confusing.

Okay, let me ask you a question. Why are the churches so divided? Why you got Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, all Catholic?

Well, call back tomorrow. We can talk about it because, unfortunately, there's the music at the end of the show. I didn't even know it was at the end of the show.

Sorry about that. Call back tomorrow. Maybe we can talk, okay? We're just, we got to go, brother.

Okay, man. All right. All right, man. See you later. Have a good bud.

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