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Hey, why don't we just jump on the line? On this, oh, let's see, today's date is October 22nd, 2025. Let's get to Germaine. From California, Jermaine, welcome, brother. You're on here.

Hey, Matt, I um Something I always wanted to ask you on Second Corinthians chapter five, verse eight. Yep. Being absent from the body and present with the Lord. Mm-hmm. I I believe we may have discussed that verse a while back.

Bye. there's something I always wondered when you see people who are comatose, or you go into hospitals and you see folks that their bodies been kept alive by machines. Is it possible that They're not present there, and their body is just being kept alive, but their spirit is departed. That's possible. When you make possible, it opens up to all kinds of issues, and I think it's.

logically possible. And Because, you know, you could uh you could feasibly have someone who's got such a bad brain injury that uh there's just it's just no possible way. that they're going to make it. And Their body's kept alive for whatever reasons, you know, for organ building. Which reminds me.

Someone told me something about that. Oh, my goodness. Anyway, so yeah, I think it's possible. Yeah.

Okay, 'cause um I I mean, I guess you wouldn't really know unless that person did or did not come out of whatever state they were in, but some people, as soon as they disconnect, they're their body just dies. And I I just kind of wondered if their spirit had departed anyway. Yeah, I don't know. It's just something we don't know. We've had people, you know.

There's counts of NDEs, near-death experiences where people have died on the table And gone out of their bodies. which is consistent with what 2 Corinthians 12 Eleventh uh separate twelve uh 2 through 4 says. And so um you know, and they go in and out uh all these accounts that has happened over the years.

So it's a tough one to say exactly. But I think it's possible that people could still uh be in that condition you're talking about like that. I think it's possible, yeah. Possible it is.

Okay, yeah, I do remember asking about N D E's a while back and I think I've seen way too much evidence to at least Say you it's Something that warrants further investigation because I see a lot of doctors and some of them atheists who have been keeping track. And these stories number into the thousands And not to deviate from the question, I think it it actually coincides with it, but to me, it just kind of reinforces that reality that God is who He says He is and You know, there's a whole lot more. to our lives than simply what we can see or what we think we know. Yeah.

Yeah, I totally agree. There's a lot more going on. And the dynamics of it you know We could just give variables. But undoubtedly there are people who have uh died. I said they died, they've seen the Lord gone to heaven.

Come back. There are people who've gone to the bad place and have come back. Their descriptions are rather interesting. What it is that they say they see.

So it does occur. Um how long after Does it recur? You know, it reminds me uh we had a a friend who uh some sickness took her. She's a a really good, strong Christian. And my wife wasn't there, but someone told her what happened.

That Melinda was her name. And uh they tried all kinds of stuff to cure this rare disease that she had and she was in hospice and you know just hours or days to live. kind of a thing. And right before she passed, She sat up. in the in the bed just sat up.

smiled. and was looking off into the distance. and I don't recall if it even was said. But she was Happy. what she was seeing.

And then she just laid back down and was gone. And my mom, my dad said this too. My mom was. in hospice. When she was gone.

and I went and visited her. Daily and and stuff like that at work and then in the evenings go spend time with her. My dad. He said Uh shortly before she died. a day or two.

He was standing at the foot of her bed. And uh he told me that she asked him Who's that man standing next to you? And he looked and there's nobody there. And he says, What were you talking about? He's right there next to you.

And you know A day or two later she was gone. And then I remember a friend of mine said that um He was working at Dialis's place. And we were talking about this, and he said that there was this interesting incident where a woman, very elderly, dialysis. Um Started this uh getting excited because there was flames. Uh she saw fire.

And uh My friend said he saw fire on a wall. and he looked, he didn't see anything in the wall. And I interrupted him and I said, Did she die, didn't she? He goes, Yep. And they would honor he would Yeah.

that she kept saying she saw fire.

So fire. and they checked in that wall behind that wall you know, there was nothing going on and she said, I see it, I see it and then shortly afterwards she perished.

So yeah, there's stories like this. And uh I'm just kinda rambling, uh, you know, j springboarding off what your question was, but You know, people can die, be on the table, come back, see things. It's real, it's happening, and there's lots of documentation on it. Lots, just like you said. Yeah.

And yeah, that'll lead me to my question to Marl, but. But real quick, do you think that A lot of what people are experiencing is visions God's allowing them to have. versus because I see that there's a variance. There seems to be a variation Of the experiences, and this relates to my original question, but. Again, for me, it just reinforces that they're there is the reality of the spiritual world and It's probably more real than what we know of here, but Does people see seeing and experiencing things, they're just They're having experiences and they're only relating them as best as they can, but it doesn't touch the reality.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of lot to that. Different cultures see different things when they die. I just recently saw one about a Muslim who had an NDE, and he was shocked. that it wasn't as the Koran said. and that he was in trouble.

and Jesus was there and and he understood who he was God. And then he came back and he was okay. You know, he's a Christian. Uh I remember reading accounts of uh You could get me thinking about these now, sorry, but uh you got me uh An ER doctor was doing CPR on a guy, and the guy woke up. and grabbed at the doctor's uh shirt and said, Don't let me die, I'm in hell.

Don't let me die screaming it. and he ended up passing away. I remember a woman, she uh was in a car accident of some sort and went off into a pond. And it was deep enough to submerge the car. And some guys saw this and, you know, got out of the car, jumped in, were trying to free her, and she had drowned.

And while and they brought her back, you know, they were able to do a CPR and she came back. But she said there was a creature. That was after her. And because she wasn't a believer, and it was a creature, and it was hideous, and it was after her. and she was in ab abject terror, she said.

And all of a sudden she woke up and there was that it was these guys, you know, doing CPR on her.

So I don't know if I'm answering your question or not, but this stuff, you know. There it is. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff. No. No, it's perfectly uh I think it all correlates there exactly what I was asking because um Uh I'll just say this uh to keep going on, but I'm always fascinated by the people who had these experiences.

and their first reaction when they're Their bodies were vivid, just why did you bring me back? Yeah.

Actually, one was my uncle. He went from terror to hail And he wasn't afraid of death. He wouldn't share all of his his experiences, but He was no longer the same man after he'd had a heart attack many years ago and cold blue and all that and You know, whatever happened to him. He was quiet for a while, but he would not go into detail other than there wasn't a fear there anymore.

Okay. Um, you just remember another story. I talked to a guy. He told me we we met for lunch in uh Salt Lake City area. He was listening to the radio show.

Maybe he's listening right now and he remembers our discussion. He can call in if if by any chance he's listening. And he was I think it was a handyman in an apartment complex. Long story short, something happened in one of the apartments. He got shot.

And he saw the Lord. He's with the Lord. And uh he said it was just tremendous. And I said, really? He looks at me and he goes, yep.

Yeah, I was with him. And so You know, if anybody, you know, you're listening and you've had an NDE, Call in and uh you know. Tell us. The closest I've come is is saying something mean to my wife and she had a frying pan in her hand, you know, you gotta run. But uh So No, actually, I've come close to dying a couple of couple three times.

One with really bad pneumonia, one in a very bad car accident, and one with my gallbladder died. and uh it was 80% mortality. it ruptured while they're taking it out and it's 80% mortality if it ruptures in you.

So I've had those three instances and nothing, you know, I wasn't dead, it was just an incredible amount of pain. But um Yeah, I know there's lots of people who've had lots of en encounters. Lots of encounters. Wow. Yeah.

Well, I don't know. Yeah man.

So We'll find out more when we go be with the Lord. I got a question for you, though. You always ask me questions now when we turn it around.

So you're a believer.

Alright.

Now, I know a lot of people are fall into this category, they're believers. Do you fear? Death, the process going through death. dying in the on the bed, you know, all the stuff you're you're you know you're going. Does it bother you at all?

Well, I'm afraid to answer that question, Matt. No, just kidding. I would say I'd be lying if I say there wasn't some anxiousness there.

However, You know, my experiences and even leading me up to the show. Yeah.

Let's know I'm 100% secure my salvation, and I know where I'm going. but it's the process that kind of perplexes my mind. You know, so I would say I'm not afraid of death so much and I I don't know if I had shared an experience where I thought I was dying. a year point five or so ago. But I guess the process itself Does at times have me thinking to the point where I was like, hey, you know what?

Just give this all up to the Lord when. you go, you're gonna go, but the most important thing is to be secure where I'm going.

So net I don't have that fear of death. anymore. Good. We're good, brother. Appreciate it.

Praise God. And there's the music, so we've got to take a break. All right, man. We'll talk to you later. God bless, Jermaine.

God bless, brother. All right. Couple. Hey folks, if we write back after these messages, please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live, taking a call at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. I just want to add a comment to what George Maine said before we get to the next caller, Martin. But I too am apprehensive about the process, O'Donnell. Uh it uh it's scary.

It's uh Uh it's just not Good. And I think there's a lot of Christians like that. It's the nature of our flesh. But I'm confident that'll be with the Lord. And Uh All we can do is continue to trust.

And as I like to say, trust him beyond our ability to understand. Just by faith. choose to trust. and get through that process. When it occurs, let's get to Martin from Virginia.

Martin, welcome. You're on the air? Hey, Matt. Good afternoon, and thank you for your ministry. Yeah, just kind of tacking on to that NDUs and Mm.

I I finished a book, uh a about two years ago. It was a Science at the Doorstep of God. And they had a uh a really good section on uh terminal lucidity. Oh really? Like like you said, the s the the folks that are on the deathbed, they're just about to pass.

And they become very lucid. very aware of certain things and they I'll even see certain things. And they're It had some peer reviewed studies and one of the most fascinating ones was a a gal who had a disease early on and Child beats. Uh cared for. Yeah.

As she aged, she was pretty much bedridden. She didn't talk And on her last Moments she Yeah. And she started singing a gospel hymn. I forget what it was, but it was a very, very pretty much the nurses were amazed and they gathered and the doctor came in. Everybody was amazed at at her ability to sing so clearly.

a song that she'd never sung before, words that she'd likely never spoken before. And there are other cases too, where it just it just seems like The evidence for the soul that consciousness is just it's just overwhelming. Yeah.

kind of there's nothing that an atheist or non-believer can Just scientifically The evidence is there. And they can't they can't Come up with this. scientific reason work. where this could happen. And like the NDVs too, that's as beautiful, I mean blind people that see things.

When they come back to life, they describe what they saw. It perfectly where they could not have done so, they were blind from birth. I mean, it's it's a very good book, a lot of good peer review studies. It's uh It's just great evidence that If you wanted science, to strengthen your faith. And and and obviously hopefully you won't need.

That But if you're an atheist out there and you're Reaching in questioning. This is something that it's very real. Very real, very strong. And what was the name of that book again? Um Science at the doorstep of God.

Cool, cool. I think uh uh it there's a PhD priest uh I forget the guy's name. Who wrote it? Uh, he works he kind of feels in and uh physics and Okay, I'm gonna check it out. Yeah, I like doing research on topics like that.

The first NDE I ever heard of. Incidentally. Was, and I incorporated the idea into one of my books I wrote, a novel that I wrote. But there was a man who was a bad guy, you know, he was just a biker dude. And he was going on a road, Nate late night road once, and um anyway, uh cars were passing them, you know, no big deal.

and he felt a prick in the back of his neck. And he felt funny. And then uh he woke up in a in a green grass field with lots of light. It was just it was in daylight and he was confused. And uh He he ended up surviving, but what had happened I'll tip Continue with the story, but what had happened is someone.

driving by him just reached back just took a gun out of the car and shot at him. hit him in the back of the neck. And he went off the side of the road. And a trucker thought he saw headlights go off the side of the road, so when he got to the next town, he contacted. That to the police and said, maybe I saw something, maybe I didn't.

And they went out and found him and then brought him back. Quadriplegic and He's the happiest quadriplegic in the world, he says. because what happened was he said he woke up in this g this green grass field Full of just beautiful. Beauty. He said you could see the blades of grass with such incredible clarity and great distances, and it smelled fantastic, and it was just beautiful.

Beautiful everywhere. Just wonderful. Felt Fantastic. And he said he f a figure started approaching him from a great distance. And the closer this figure got, the worse he felt.

the worse he felt. And uh this guy was was coming and he goes, walking but covering great distance very quickly. And that the man said uh he he he felt horrible. and he had to bow himself down before this figure because He realized it was Jesus. And his holiness was so perm permeating around him.

that this man felt bad about his own sin. That's what he was feeling bad about. He couldn't bring himself to look up. And Jesus instructed him to follow him, And he was going through a field. And they started going in a downward direction.

where the the ground started moving downward. And the further down they went, the worse It got. the green brass started. failing and and dirt and stench and And he realized. He's being taken to hell.

And he could not. disobey Christ. he continued to proceed with him. And he got down to this one area. And he says there was no The only light was from the fire.

And it was odd. Horrible stench, and he could feel. People. looking at him. inside this lake of fire.

that this area. And he had his face to the ground, just begging for mercy. And Jesus just communicated to him said, Come with me. went back up to the hill and he said, Your time's not yet. And the guy woke up and I see you.

And he's quadriplegic, and he says he's the happiest quadriplegic. in the world. Because he knows where he is. He's not going when he does.

So that was my introduction to NDEs, the first story I read. forty years ago or so. is stuck with me. Yeah, it's it's impressive. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I I I I I don't I don't profess that I've died. I came close three times. They all had to do with water incidents. One was maybe six to seven years old and then The other two times when I was a teenager and then Uh very young adult and It's the young adult times that it affected me the most were When I found out that I I'm not going to die, that was the I mean, I just was in tears. when I made it through the incident.

When I was a child, it it wasn't so much of a fear thing, it was You know, I'm a child. I didn't really know the value of life at that point. I didn't have the value of of all the religion that I was brought up on. But But I suppose that I mean, it's I mean, obviously when you're a child and you still fear things. Right.

not to go I mean it's sort of akin to your situation with a white van and a bike. The guy chasing you into the bar. Oh, you're surviving. That's not really a near fourth one, but boy. It has a fourth.

I forgot about that. That's right. Yeah, that was close. Yeah, well, and you ought to make that a Halloween episode every year, close to Halloween. Cool.

Talk about it. Maybe I will. Maybe I'll do scary stories 'cause when I tell that story to people Uh, they're surprised at that. Are you serious? That was real?

It goes, it was real. What happened? Yeah, it's quite a story. But anyway, go ahead.

Sorry. Yeah, no, no, that was it. I mean, that's I You know it. It's the fact is I I you're a human and you value life and you know the situation you know they do about to very well die. And it was that close.

And uh and you did And when you came out of it, it I mean, it was just very pureful Joyce Hall. And uh exhaustive situations Yeah. Wait, oh, there's the music. Man, there's all kinds of of stories in. experience people get like this.

That's interesting stuff. But hey, brother, appreciate it, man. Thanks for calling. All right. God bless.

Alright, you too, man. God bless.

All right, hey folks, kind of interesting topics today. I really like this. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8772. 072276. We'll be right back.

It's Matt Slick Live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 8772. Let's get to Nate.

From California, Nate, welcome. You're on the air. Um Matt, how are you? It's Nate from Bill Flower. You should live in Bellflower.

You should live there. You should live in Bellflower. Exactly. Exactly. May God bless you and your family.

Well, thank you. This question I ask, um Because I had a I was Not arguing, but discussing the Bible with my cousin, who's a good Christian. And it told me He asked me, do you believe all the beautiful father? And I told them, no, I don't, for some reason, because I read it from Long roads. He said that You Feel the Father, feel the Holy Spirit.

But see Jesus only because he is God. But well, we see he and then he took me to um Revelation 4. And I I don't see there. I indoor I see a lot of things that confuse me. Um I don't see there that we s that it says that we will see the Father.

Uh no he won't. Um Because Thank you. You're on my side. Yeah, Yeah, that's good. And then here's the reasons why.

In uh 1 Timothy 1.17, now the King, eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God be honor and glory. Forever and ever. In 1 Timothy 6:16, it's speaking of God the Father, and it says that He's. dwells an unapproachable light who no man has seen or can see. Yeah.

And then when they see God in the Old Testament, they're not seeing God the Father, they're seeing the preincarnate Christ. And in John 6:46, Jesus says, not that anyone has seen the Father. He is from God. He has seen the Father.

So And that's it.

So it does not look like we'll be able to see him. 'Kay. Thank you very much. I wanted to make sure. And you know what?

When I was reading it, the first time I said is that. Um of all the details like a rainbow. Um, I thought I thought it said it was gonna sit um Uh What are those horses with those uh those things? Mm-hmm. A unicorn.

Flew also by Ben Ho. I read it again, I was reading it again. I made a mistake of everything of that. Um yeah. Also, before we leave, I thank you so much for your answer.

You're on my side also. I'm on the side of what I see the scriptures teaching. Oh, of course, we're both on the side of scripture. That's right. That's right.

And so this is an important topic because it it deals with Mormonism. Mormonism, for example, says Joseph Smith saw God the Father, but the Bible says you cannot be seen.

So it invalidates flat out. The first vision, which then proves Joseph Smith lied, which then proves Mormonism is false. It's that simple. Correctness. Thank you.

Um also when um from Moses. When to spot Speak to um The burning bush. Yeah.

He had a and the Lord told him, told him, take off your your shoes or sandals. Was that Jesus or was that the Lord?

Well I'm not exactly sure. Even though Jesus is not spoken about in the Old Testament. But there's the angel of God Okay.

So by definition, Jesus did not come into existence until 2,000 years ago. What we mean by that is that the union of the Word, the divine word, and the human nature, that union occurred 2,000 years ago. And that means Jesus has two natures, a divine nature and a human nature, and the attributes of those natures. are ascribed to or part of that one person.

So, the person of Jesus consists of the divine nature and a human nature, divine attributes and human attributes.

So, that union occurred 2,000 years ago.

So, from that perspective, Jesus did not exist in the Old Testament. the pre-incarnate Christ existed in the Old Testament. And that's how he referred to him. A pre-incarnate Christ.

So when you go to Genesis, Exodus 3. When it talks about the appearance of God in the burning bush, that it's not in an anthropomorphic form. Whenever anybody sees God in the Old Testament, and I give you lots of references for it, there's lots. And they have a physical form, it's not the Father, it's the pre-incarnate Christ in a manifestation, not an incarnation. Jesus 2,000 years ago is the permanent incarnation.

The pre-incarnate Christ in the Old Testament manifested in human form. You go to Exodus 6, 2, and 3, Exodus 24, 9 through 11. and varying verses like this. And it shows this. Who was being seen or dealt with in Exodus 3, the burning bush?

It doesn't say.

So it is just a reason. You're going to have to forgive me.

Okay. So it does mention the fire.

Now generally speaking, the Holy Spirit manifests as a fire, as a flame.

So we could maybe say it was a manifestation more personally of the Holy Spirit in that sense. But that's about as far as we can go, okay? How about um Um, I you're gonna have to forgive me 'cause, um My memory's a little bit bad. Um just said that um Before um Who what was his name when He will come to the world, Al Muslims. You're gonna the angels told them that Um married uh Her her son is He has another name.

Um A Christian name, of course. Can talk on I forget True. Oh yes. Yeah, the first answer you gave me was great. I truly appreciate it.

Because I also read Ron Rhodes. He said the same thing you said. Yeah.

Yeah, Ron's a good guy. I've met him. And he's very brilliant. He's a great writer, good researcher, fantastic. Yep, isn't it?

Yeah, he's great. He gave me his one-on-one column, and I spoke. I called him. And he he was wonderful. Yeah, he's a great guy.

Yep. A great man of God. Wow. Absolutely. May the Lord bless you and keep it going, my friend.

And I hope, you know, this is the first time I saw you get up to probably. use a restroom or something or I don't know, you got another Sometimes I do during the break, so I'll use restroom, but this time I mainly wanted to get my coffee cup. Because I drink coffee all day, and then it and then because it's heated, it creeps. It's a little film.

So I need to remove that film so I can continue drinking my coffee. And I had to go to the bathroom. Drink Cuban coffee, espresso. That's the best.

Well, I have a N'spresso machine And my wife and I love our coffee. Yes. That is a mess. Yeah.

That's our one luxury that we allow ourselves. I get up in the morning every day and have a good cup of coffee and I nurse it. For hours, usually. It's really nice. Uh That is wonderful.

Well Keep it up and keep it up with um Saying the word, the true word of God. May the Lord bless you and um your wife and everyone in your family and Please pray for me as well. No problem, man. All right. God bless you.

Okay. All right. God bless.

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7-6, let's get to Joe from North Carolina. Joe, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt, how you doing? Hanging in there, buddy.

Hanging in. I hear ya. I gotcha. I have a question. You know, been born again twenty two years, And I've always been taught that, you know, the only person that can take you out of the arms of Jesus and the hands of God is yourself because he won't.

ever let you go. But yet I'm reading in Revelations Our Revelation this morning in chapter 3, verse 5, when it talks about from Laodice or Sardis, I can't remember which, about That their name would not be blotted out, which means that there's a possibility that it could be blotted out.

So I'm a little confused.

Well, first of all, if I framed this question right. No, I understand. First of all, I don't believe we can lose our salvation. I don't believe that's possible. And because otherwise, God was making a mistake giving the elect to Christ.

And we just can't have God make any mistakes. And so, notice what it says here. I will not erase his name from the book.

Well, it could be understood two ways. It's possible to be erased, or it will not be erased. It won't be. It's not going to happen. It can't happen.

it could be understood that way as well.

Okay. Okay. But it also I mean, but when you read it, sometimes it can give you the And I don't want to use the word illusion, but what if for whatever reason for Yeah. That's it. God would blot your name out if you did something stupid.

Well, there's another possibility here that the Book of Life is simply a book of those who are alive. Alive. anybody and everybody who's alive, and that those who are elect remain in the book of life and that the non-elect, the people go to hell, they're erased out of it. That's just another theory. We don't know which is correct.

All right. I gotcha. Okay. Well, you know what? I'll keep I'll continue to read them, waiting for the little brick seal something.

So Thank you for helping me try to clarify that.

Okay, brother, God bless. All right. Yeah, sure, thank you.

Okay. All right, we got nobody waiting right now. Um I'm going to take the opportunity to to kind of go for something. And I don't know how to say it the right way. It's not that profound or anything, it's not a big deal.

It's just, I've been thinking about something for months, and I finally talked to my wife about it last. night about The state of the world. We watch different shows at night, and I enjoy my time with my wife watching TV. We relax. It's nice.

And uh we watch all kinds of things. Uh I don't watch sports, so I don't you know I don't watch sports, but we'll watch documentaries, we'll watch whodunits, we'll watch. you know, a series, whatever. And um One of the things I've been noticing Over the years, and particularly in the past I don't know, past year. I I don't know is the increase of people using Lord's name and thing.

Now This may or may not sound like much. But I want to go Yeah. and just kind of talk about this a little bit. This is Exodus twenty of the Ten Commandments. And God spoke all these words, saying, I am.

Yahweh your God. who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, you shall have no God before me. you shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is he in heaven above, or on the earth beneath, or in the water, Under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them, For I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity, of the fathers and the children on the third and fourth generations of those who hate me. but showing loving kindness to thousands to those who love me uh and keep my commandments.

Verse 7, you shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. The Lord will not leave him unpunished. Who remembers excuse me who takes his name in vain?

So I was thinking about this. The first commandment, and forget the Roman. Catholic view of the Ten Commandments, they altered them to adjust and allow for their their idolatry. But nevertheless. What it says here is, You shall have no other gods before me.

Don't make any idols, don't have anything else you serve. This is primary. You're only to have one God, the true living God, not the truth. the God of Mormonism, not the God of Islam. Not the God of Jehovah's Witnesses or Christadelphianism or Buddhism or whatever isomeristic.

you might uh want to insert in there. Don't worship them, don't serve them, don't bow down to them. Leviticus 26:1 says. Don't bow down to these images in front of them. the Catholic Church does, but Yeah.

I digress a little bit. And then don't take his name in vain. Why? Because his name is holy, because it represents him. His name is Yahweh.

And people say, Well, we're not saying, Oh my Yahweh They're saying, oh my GOD. That is part of the commandment or not to break. I mean they're breaking when they do that because it's not just his name. but everything that represents him in his holiness. the title.

His name His lordship And so last night, I can't even repeat what I heard. I was on a show, we're watching something and It was so disgusting. the way that the name of the Lord was used in vain. I can't even repeat it. And it angered me.

The quick litmus test. of the spiritual state of our country. is this Do they use the Lord's name in vain? And answers. Undoubtedly.

It's used in vain by the believers and unbelievers. The unbelievers will say his name in in vain and say, Oh my and I can't even repeat it 'cause it's it's a a vain repetition. It's a vain use, but oh my and then they'll say G O D or they'll use the Lord Jesus and the word Christ together as an exclamation. And It bothers me. disturbs me.

And I remember It reminds me when I was working at Hewlett Packard in San Diego. And uh we as a computer tech fixing computers and helping people out. Um There are about forty-five techs. We were all uh privilege to go into a certain room. because we had a lot of sensitive information.

computers in there, it was locked. But once you're behind that door and it was locked, uh the guys would loosen their tongue quite a bit. And they would use the Lord's name in vain all the time. And I never... told him not to.

But what I did was I just wouldn't participate in a conversations when they would do that. I didn't judge him. And I wouldn't participate in their foul humor. And after six or eight months or so, they started asking me questions: why am I different? And I told him, I uh I said, you know, minister, And they got talking, and I said, The thing that bothers me, because they brought it up, is you guys use the Lord's name and pain all the time, and every single time you do it.

I'm offended by it. But I've not brought it up, I've not said anything. I'm just telling you. That's what it is. They stopped you doing it around me.

And I I respected them for that. And uh yeah, I didn't try to make him feel bad, but that was it. It came up. It's a horrible thing. When the name of God is used as an explanation as something foul.

The disrespect, the dishonor. Uh using his name. as an expletive. And it's the unholiness of it. The rise of such foulness in the hearts of people.

who don't even care. about the sovereign. And they so flippantly and casually use his name his title. And they use it in a derogatory way. Foul.

manner and even associated with Prejoratives. And It has bothered me constantly. years. I've gotten into the habit and it's annoying my f my family. When I know that someone's about to use the Lord's name in vain, I'll clear my throat or I'll cough.

I don't want to hear it. And sometimes I will not watch a show if if If they use the Lord's name in the thing.

Now, once or twice, I mean, you know. What am I going to do? But if it's just On and on. I'm done. I I you know, it and I don't wanna watch it anymore.

And I don't. He says. In Exodus twenty, verse seven, you shall not take the name of your Lord God in vain. The Lord will. Not least.

him und Punished. What is this punishment? I'm going to tell you what it is, but before I do, I'm going to address the Christians. Or any of you listening. Do you ever Say, oh my GOD.

just like the pagan unbelievers still. Do you participate in that great sin? It's a great sin. Do you Use uh the Uh the Couplet Jesus Christ. Christ.

as an expression. without reverence behind it. Do you participate in the ungodliness? of the darkness. And the mockery of God's name which is authored.

By the evil one. Do you participate? In it. If you do as a Christian, you need to repent. This second and and ask God for forgiveness.

And you need to never do it again. Consider his name to be holy, and all titles associated with him to be holy. Don't use. His title? God Lord king, the sovereign, Jesus, the Christ.

Yahweh. Don't use those names and any and titles in any way except in reverent conversation. This is the Lord God we're talking. If you're a Christian and you do this, Shame on you. Oh, shame on you.

Oh, it's disgusting, especially for Christians. I know, I know of Christians who've done it. I've gone into chat rooms where they're using the Lord's name constantly in Christian chat rooms, and I just get on them all. Stop it. You're breaking the commandment.

What is this judgment? What is this judgment? He will not leave him untouched. punished. The punishment can be eternal loss of reward, the punishment can be a hardening of your heart.

right now. For the unbeliever, he punished. Yeah.

is the judgment. giving them over to more and more their depression. gravity, so that they'll believe lies, participate in lies. And sh And Bring and bring their souls further into the Depths of Hell. Through there.

Casual. Non-reverent misuse. title and name. And for the Christian. That unpunishment or the punishment that he's talking about, he will not leave you unpunished.

could be a judgment in your heart as well that you are becoming calloused not only to that sin, but others. You can ask yourself if you're a Christian. Are you using the Lord's name? Or you kind of say, Yeah, I do sometimes. Let me tell you, no sin is by itself And the hardness of your heart.

Will not only be in one area, it'll be in others. And after a while, this continues, the punishment continues, where God gives you over to the depravity of that heart and that mind. even in the Christian. that other things become softened. and you become more familiar with sin and justify it.

All the more. This is something you need to stop. And we all Neither speak of God reverently. But our culture that we live in, this fallen world we live in, is telling us what it thinks of God. And it hates God.

And it uses his name as it as a Trash heap comment. in invective form. in pejoratives. And this is sinful. and it's the world we live in.

We don't need to participate in it. We need to set an example. You can only ask of the Lord. But bring our world and our country to repentance. May the Lord bless you.

There we go. We're out of time, and by His grace, people like His grace, Lord Bloom will be on the air tomorrow. and hopefully we'll talk to you then.

So have a good evening everyone. God bless, fuck you. Another program powered by the Truth Network.