Matt Slick Live

The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. It's Matt Slick live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry found online at CARM.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick live. Francis taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Everyone, welcome to the show.

It's me Matt Slick, your list of Matt Slick live. And as usual, if you want to give me a call, it's easy. Just dial 877-207-2276. And also, you can email me info at CARM, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And put in the subject line radio comment or radio question, we get to stuff. We got a caller coming in right now.

And we'll probably get some emails and stuff like that now. So the Catholic Church has selected a new pope. He's from America. And his name's Robert something. Well, it was Robert Prevest. And so he apparently spent some time, excuse me, spent some time in Peru.

And so he probably speaks Spanish. And you know what was sad? I watched when the white smoke went up.

I watched some news brief. And the people were cheering. And I thought, oh, that's so sad. It's so sad. They're cheering for a false leader in a false church. Oh, man, it's just sad.

But that's what it is. And we'll be talking about Catholicism sometime. Maybe today I can talk about some of the really bad things in Catholicism. And I say this, I say it regularly, that if anyone believes official Roman Catholic theology or official Eastern Orthodox theology, what it actually teaches about salvation and the priesthood, and it's, let's say, praying to saints. I call it its idolatry. You believe official what it is. You can't be a Christian.

Okay? So it's really sad. And the Catholics in the East Orthodox, they sometimes will tell me, but Matt, you don't understand, the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. We're the true church. I says, no.

Oh, man, it's too close here. I said, no, no, no. The Protestant Reformation was the fulfillment of that. That's what God raised up, that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church. So he raised up the Protestants. That shut them up, believe it or not.

They didn't know what to say at that. And so you're right. There you go. Hey, let's get to Jamal from North Carolina.

Jamal. Hey, buddy. Welcome. You're on the air, man. I'm Matt Slick. Take my call, sir. Sure.

What do you got? I wanted to ask about praying over food in general. And I know we can pray over like our regular meals, lunch, dinner, breakfast, and all that. But does it also cover snacks and drinks and things of that nature?

Well, it's up to you. You know, a snack. I mean, if you're eating a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, you say, Lord, bless this. Well, you know, it's not good stuff.

So, you know, asking for a blessing on it, you know, I wouldn't do. But, you know, generally speaking, you know, I had lunch with a friend of mine today, and we just were at a restaurant, a fast food thing. And it's not the best food, but, you know, it'll keep us alive. So we prayed over it.

I just gave a quick thanks. But I don't pray over snacks, you know, when I'm bad and I have a few M&M's with peanut M&M's are the best. I don't pray about them. I just gobble them. That's all. You need to repeat, Mr. Slick.

I'll be praying for you, sir. Yes, I do. Yeah, you know, I get this thing about peanut M&M's, you know, and people know it. And they also sometimes get me a big bag for Christmas or birthday. I'm like, thanks, but I don't need them.

But I'll put them in the freezer and then take them out after a couple hours, put them in one in each cheek. And I wait from the crack, from the heat. And I get a thrill out of that. So, you know, people look at me and they go, you know, you got issues. So, yeah.

So there you go. That's a new one for me. Yeah, well, I did it by accident once, you know, I was just something I heard just like that. What the heck was that? And it was the crack sound. From the shell cracking, and I got a kick out of it. So then I tried to do it again and again.

And then it became kind of a habit. So I'm just admitting how faulty I am in so many ways. It's kind of obvious, you know, but that's okay. All right.

No, no problem. We all have our little things when it comes to food and whatnot. I'm an ice cream guy.

So anything ice cream, I'm a part of that. So just to make sure I understand you correctly, praying over meals is fine. Snacks, not necessary. Would that be correct?

Yeah, none of them were necessary. Nothing in the scriptures. You must pray over food. It's just a grateful attitude that we have. Yeah, that's all. Oh, okay. I didn't know that.

That's interesting. But, but, but, but when Jesus broke the loaves, he blessed the food. He gave thanks and broke the, you know, so he gave thanks. Thanks to God. Thank you for this food.

You know, he did that and stuff like that. So there's some biblical warrant for giving thanks. You know, Lord, thank you for what we have. And please bless it to our bodies. Please bless these M&Ms to my body.

You know, you can try it and see if it works. All right. Right. One other quick question, and it might not be quick, but I'm going to toss it out there anyway.

What does it mean to live a good Christian life? I don't know. Oh, okay.

What are you asking me for? Appreciate it, sir. I mean, you know, people, they seem in a radio, I got these answers and they live with me, you know, they hang with me. They go, you know, and I go, yeah, I know. It's right. There's no, I'm no model of a good Christian.

That's for sure. I wouldn't know what it means to be a good Christian. I know what it means to try and be a good Christian biblically.

Okay. To emulate Jesus, to be more forgiving, to be more patient, to be kinder, to be more long suffering, to defend the faith, to overturn temple tables at the right time, to get angry at the right time, to not be angry at the right time. And the model is Jesus. And so I will never say I've got it down in any particular area, except my sin. Someone calls me a sinner. That's right. They say you're prideful. That's true. That's true. You're arrogant.

That's true. They say you're humble. And I say, well, I'm proud of my humility. You know, I joke about it.

And that's it. You know, I only take credit for what's evil in me. I don't take credit for anything good.

That's my Lord, my Savior there. Okay. And if, if I've ever done anything godly, and I mean in a really godly, in His measure, His level, if I ever have, then it's only by the grace of God.

And I can't say I ever have. I just, you know, and that's it. I don't know.

Okay. Yeah, that's, that's pretty good. I was talking to somebody and, you know, trying to encourage them. And I gave out the line, well, I was writing it down or texting it or something like that. And I was like, live a good Christian life.

But I was like, what all does that mean? So that's a good way to sum it up, trying to live a life that Jesus lived. Yeah, He's our example. And, you know, when I do marriage counseling, Jesus is the example of what a husband's to be. Jesus is an example of what a wife is to be. And I do theology, and I use Jesus as the measure of all things.

People will tell me that they don't sin anymore. Some people actually tell me that arrogant foolishness. And I'll say, really? Right. So I say, so you keep the law on the level of Jesus? Because he's the standard, not you? Yes, I do. You know, and I'm like, Oh, wow.

It's pretty bad. There are some real arrogant people out there. And, and I'm one of them.

But, you know, I just try and compare myself to Jesus. So that's it. Amen to that. All right. Well, thank you very much, sir. Praying for you, your wife and your ministry as usual.

And I can't wait to see you God willing when you come to North Carolina. Lord willing, there's some ifs about it now. But, uh, you know, well, is some my wife's health issues. So, uh, we're working on stuff and we're, we've got a game plan. So we'll see. And, uh, I let the person know that it's a possibility.

What? Sorry. No, no, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you off.

No, it's okay. I just said, I let the guy know the conference yesterday. We talked and I said, you know, it's a safe 50 50 right now. And that's it.

We'll see. Well, okay. All right. And I'll say this last last thing and I'll get out of here. Uh, I am, as you know, a monthly contributor, but this is for the listening audience.

Uh, again, if you like what you're hearing, if you want him to stay on the line or stay on the radio, five bucks a month, not much guys. I did it. If I could do with my cheap self, you all can do it too. Uh, let's help that message down there on the radio. Take care of God bless brother. Well, take care of God bless you too, man. And thanks. Thanks for your support. Really appreciate it. All right. Yes, sir. Okay.

Jamal. Yeah, he'd be a good guy to meet. I'd be out there. I'd like to meet him. There's some people I've met. I've talked over the radio and I just wish I, you know, we lived close to each other cause I could tell we get along.

He's one of the guys. All right, let's get to Jay. Let's get to Jay from Ohio.

Jay, welcome. You're on the phone. I'm on the air. Sorry.

I am on the phone too. That's right. That's right. You are. That's right.

Hey brother. Um, I just wanted to touch on what Jamal was saying there. Um, the way that I've always understood like praying over food is basically just because I, I, I, I call what you said about like blessing the food and all of that. And obviously that's, there's biblical precedence to that. Like you mentioned Christ at the last supper. Um, I always think of it as just giving thanks for, for the food. So even like little snacks and whatever. Um, I think that that's kind of like the, the mindset to have with that stuff.

I think like first Corinthians 10 kind of is what I'm referencing first Corinthians 10 30. Um, but yeah, kind of an, an aside issue. That's not exactly why I'm calling. It's all right. No problem. So yeah, I don't get anything else. I said something else you want to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes sir. Yeah. You were talking the other day, um, referencing the apostles creed and like it says Jesus went to hell, ascended to hell. Um, what is your understanding of that? I was kind of confused what you were, what your standpoint was.

All right. Before I give you the answer, I'm going to give you a little of a preamble. It appears to be the case that, uh, hell might be in earth and center of earth. Now this is very, it's, it's a, it's a controversial thing, but Jesus descended into the lower parts of the earth. So he says that, and just on that basis alone, well, we could make the case that hell is in the central part of the earth.

Now I'm not saying it is, but we can make the case. So when it says he descended into, and it does say that in the Bible, I get the verses, maybe I write an article on it and he ascended. It also says he descended and this is out of Ephesians four and then it go to first Peter three and talks about this kind of stuff. So, um, so now the creed, what it does is it says he descended into hell. Well, hell didn't mean the fiery place of punishment. It meant the abode of the dead and that's where he went. And it appears that he went there to make proclamation and not preach the gospel for it to be saved as false groups to teach, but, um, that he made proclamation to people and their stories about that too. Well, and that's, yeah, that's kind of what I figured you've mentioned.

And you know, that's, it's one of the reasons why I don't think the King James Bible is a good translation for today because they kind of blanket translate any, so she'll Hades, uh, Hannah, all of these things and one thing, James are just blanketed. You're right. Hey, we've got a break. So hold on, man. Okay. Hold on. We have a break.

Oh yeah. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. You want to call me eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. Here's Matt slick. Welcome back to the show. And if you want to give me a call, you can.

That number is eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six. And we have nobody waiting right now. So, uh, nobody online. That's okay. I think what I'm going to do then is just get to a bunch of radio questions and just kind of go through them. I like doing them.

And, um, let's see, I'm looking for someone actually today asked me a friend of mine. He goes, Hey, um, where's the hate mail? Cause he goes, that's my favorite.

It's it's my favorite too. So I don't get any hate mail anymore. I don't know what it is anyway. So, uh, let me get us some of this.

Uh, let's see what we got here. Um, what are your thoughts on the new agnostic and skeptic Alex O'Connor who believes Jesus never claimed to be God? Oh, he doesn't know what he's talking about in scripture.

Uh, the Bible does say he claimed God. He claims that both Johnny adds to the Bible words Bible says it can be added to. It doesn't say that the Bible does not say it can't be added to in revelation. It says, don't add to this book and it's talking about the book of revelation. And so if the Bible can't be added to, then why is it that the old Testament was added to by the issue of the new Testament? So it's not good thinking, not good logic.

A lot of times agnostics and atheists, they don't think very clearly and they make these statements and they just kind of jump on them without really analyzing what it is they're saying. So, uh, no, I don't know who the guy is. Uh, um, personally, I haven't heard of him, so I can't tell you. Let's get to, uh, Jermaine from California. Jermaine, welcome Jermaine. You're on the air buddy. No. Hey man.

Yeah. Today I had a question about study Bibles and one that I recently got back in my possession was, it was an old one called the companion study Bible by E. W. Bulliger. Um, and um, yeah, I, uh, I had it when I was young and didn't understand what I had. Lost it now more mature and older. I reacquired it. I just wanted to hear your thoughts on it.

I don't know. I haven't heard of it before, but I know who that guy is. And he is an underrated author and researcher.

Uh, his Bullinger does stuff that is just fantastic. Um, so it probably would be very interesting. Um, I'd be excited to get something like that. Bullinger study Bible. Wow. I'm actually surprised you don't have one, but he's, uh, yeah, it's a really thorough work and he, he breaks things down and the old languages very well and his notes alone could actually fill a separate book. But yeah, well, I guess I actually found something you may not be as familiar with, but you could find it online as well.

Yeah. In fact, I'm actually looking, uh, I do everything on Kindle, so let's see. Bullinger study Bible. Um, let's see. I want, I want the, uh, uh, uh, Kindle version. So he does figures of speech using the Bible and how to enjoy the Bible.

12 basic principles, understanding God's word numbers in scripture. Uh, uh, Bullinger, he's really good. You know, he's good. Yeah.

This thing's $80. Uh, the companion Bible. Let's see. I don't like getting books anymore because I got to carry them.

I got to move them and I like to search the things. Right. So I'm whining.

I'm guessing kind of whining. Hey, look at this. A companion Bible notes. Oh, that's Ethel Burt, by Ethel Burt, William Bullinger, B W. Oh, that's what, that's what, that's what his name is. I didn't know that. I think that's his full name is, uh, I know usually just, well, I guess if I had Ethel Burt as a name, I'd go by E W too, but I know that that I believe that is him Ethel Burt.

I have never heard that kind of name. So I just bought the notes and uh, then I can open them up. The notes are the Bible $2. So I'm doing that right now. Come on. I'm talking to my computer there.

I'm looking it up right now. So I love this. You see, I like things that are quick and slick. So now I'm opening it up and I'm doing the search thing. So it processes everything.

I could do all kinds of search and uh, able. Yeah. So look at that. It's uh, what page 35 of 9,737. That can't be right.

Anyway, I don't know how it's, it's, oh, I see why it's not formatted very tightly. Genesis 5, you know, Malhelel praise of God, Jared descent, Enoch teaching or initiation, Methuselah when he dies, it will come. I heard Chuck Missler talk about the name Methuselah. You know, he made a joke out of it one day. He goes, could you imagine growing up with that kid? You know, he's out playing someplace. Where is he? Where is, where is when he dies, it will come. It will come. I don't know.

I hope he's okay. You know, it was that kind of stuff was fun. Um, but yeah, it's got a lot of notes in there. So Hey, this is good stuff. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I guess, um, I guess giving the digital version will make a lot of sense from a computer screen.

Cause he has so much stuff in there that you, uh, yeah it would be nice to have virtual instant recall. So, Oh yeah. Look at this note.

The poly sin, the tin, Polly sent in 10, send a 10. I got to figure out what that is. So I have 914 books on Kindle. Okay. So yeah, I carry my folder phone. I love, I'm a tech nerd. I was just telling the guy today, uh, he's a tech guy like me. I said, you know, we've never even met in person.

We've just been, he's rebuilding the current site and a good Christian guy. And I said, you know what? He said, uh, maybe we could, um, go to a tech thing and nerd out together. He chuckled. So, uh, I love that stuff.

It's like, Ooh, look at the computer. Yeah, I got it bad. So, okay, here we go. Hey, I'm sure it's going to be good. Yeah. And I know you've, you've done some other, other pretty good works. He, uh, some of the language might not be, uh, politically correct.

Cause he hears from another time, but I found that the Bible inside the ad were were very, very good, but I'll wait till you familiarize yourself with it a little more. And then what we can talk about in the future. Yeah.

You never know. Um, he's just got partial notes, but yeah. Okay. It's good stuff. Okay, man. Hey, I like that. Thanks for coming out for that.

He's good. All right. Have a good, have a good weekend, man.

You too, man. God bless. Yes.

All right. Um, you know, some other good ones dial, uh, Kyle and dealage, uh, they do good commentaries. Um, and, uh, key E K E I L is the first word.

And the second one is D E L like deli with, and then it's D E L I T Z C S. No, excuse me, D E L I T Z S C H. It's just a, she'll never remember that, but it's a Kyle and dealage. So that's a, he just, they do good commentary. That's good.

And the Geneva Bible's also good commentary and stuff like that. Um, yeah. So, yeah. Okay. We've got a caller coming in now. Let's see if I can get another quick question in from somebody else while they're getting that guy ready.

And I just hit that thing wrong. Don't want that. Come on. Here we go.

Let's see. From a presuppositional standpoint, I find the atheistic worldview internally inconsistent. So do I, particularly in its inability to account for the necessary preconditions for intelligibility. I totally agree.

Uh, such as ethics, laws of logic, uniformity of nature. Uh, okay. Something came up. Okay. Uh, however I'm interested in exploring the philosophical critique of deism. Theists often claim that the problem of evil fits best within their framework. Well, no, it doesn't.

But anyway, namely a God who creates the world, but does not intervene in it. Okay. We get back to the break.

I'm gonna explain why that is not rational with a DSA and I'll explain what the problem is. All right. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. I want to welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy.

All you gotta do is dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Glenn from Virginia. Glenn, welcome. You're on the air. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

So what do you got buddy? Yes. My question was, who are the lost sheep of Israel?

Okay. The lost sheep of Israel, the phrase occurs in Matthew 10 and Matthew 15, 24. I think it's Matthew 10, four.

I think it is. He says, he sends out the disciples go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. In Matthew 15, 24, Jesus says, I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So he was not sent to the world. He was only sent to Israel. Israel broke the covenant and therefore we, the Gentiles are grafted in the lost sheep of Israel. Most probably what I understand them to be are the covenant people of Israel with God who had straightened their covenant relationship and propriety and were in need of spiritual repentance.

And that's who the lost sheep were. Okay. Okay. Okay. You're making noise there buddy.

You got some noises and clicks and stuff. So, um, Oh, yeah. All right. All right.

Thanks. All right. Okay. Is that it?

Yeah, that's it. Okay. All right. Well, God bless.

All right. Let me do a search of my Bible here. Lost sheep. Why did I put the lost sheep? Wait a second.

It doesn't really show it. Matthew 15, 24. Yeah, right there. The lost sheep right there. So it occurs in Matthew 10, six, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And, um, in Jeremiah 50 verse six, it talks about, it said my people have become lost sheep. Their shepherds have led them astray. And that was one of the things I think is really important is that the, the people of Israel, um, the leaders, the scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees were leading the people astray. Now this is an important concept because if your pastor, your church is not doing right, biblically, he can lead the congregation astray. If political leaders are not doing right, they can lead the people astray. This is why moral propriety is so important in political leaders. We don't want political leaders in there who believe it's okay to, uh, to teach, um, LGBTQ crap to kindergartners and people and kids in school.

The older trying to do is brainwash them and infiltrate their minds and, um, and groom them. This is evil and needs to stop, uh, or, uh, promoting abortion, you know, the LGBT mob and all this kind of stuff. And when I say stuff like this, I know people get upset.

I don't care. Oh, I need to answer my, to my Lord, not to their likes and personal preferences and leftist ideology. So, um, if people are leading the, if the leaders are leading the people astray, the people will go astray. This is why I say to people who are Christians, you constantly need to be reading the word of God. If I were to go to a church and let's say I was asked to preach there three weeks in a row, you know, help out. And I preached, uh, the first week and the second week and on the third week before I preached, someone came up to me and said, I've been listening to your sermons. And I got some questions about your sermon, what you said about this verse.

I would be delighted if someone did that. And I've had it happen a couple of times and I rejoice at it. And the reason I rejoice that it means they're listening and not just trusting me that they're checking what I say against the word of God.

And it says that Bereans did that. And Paul called them noble minded. He rejoiced in what they did as a good thing. I do too.

I rejoice. I remember once in a Bible study I was teaching in San Diego when we lived there. And this, uh, I've been teaching for months.

And on a Friday night, it was a nice, it was nice Friday night, you know, and, uh, people coming over for months. And this one guy, I've told this story before he came to me and he says, look, you know, what you said last week about, I forgot what it was, but you know, he brought it up and whatever topic it was. And he says, you said, blah, blah, blah. And I said, okay. And he said, I don't think that's correct. And he goes, I hope I'm not offending you.

And I looked at him. I said, not at all. Not at all. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe I didn't get it right.

What did he got? And he explained for two minutes, this insight that I didn't think of. And I said to him after two minutes, I actually said it to him. I said, you know, you're right.

You, you, you've got that better than I did. You understood that. And he looked at me and he was shocked. He tilted his head sideways.

He goes, wait a minute. You're saying that I'm right. And that you were wrong about that as well.

The degrees of wrong. I said, but I mean, yeah, you're right. And I think you understood it better than I did. And he was really surprised. He says, you mean your ticket?

I corrected you. I says, yeah. And he, he just stared at me and I said, I'm not bothered by that. I said, I don't know everything.

I know more than most, but it doesn't mean I got everything right. And so I thanked him. And then during the Bible study, I said, by the way, folks, so-and-so, his name was Mike. I said, this is what he said. And I, I just want to repeat it and to say that I think he's right.

And you know, it was not a big deal. It doesn't mean I'm a bad teacher. It just means that I'm teachable. And this is why when, when people listen to sermons, you should be able to go to the word of God and ask questions about it and say, well, I'm not so sure about that. And the person you're talking to, a pastor, elder you're talking to should be receptive. Now it doesn't mean every single time the same guy comes up with the same problem all the time.

It gets old. That's different, but normally speaking, you know what I'm saying? And that's what we want. We want to be able to have people that we, you know, as pastors and stuff that, that we could talk to, and that aren't going to get offended if you disagree with them or ask a question about them.

I always liked that. And so anyway, so if you think that I say something wrong on the radio, call me up and say, you disagree with me. I'll say, okay, why? I'm not mad. Well, what do you got?

What do you got? Maybe you've got something an insight better than I do. And I'll tell you, I've learned a lot from people who just had different insights than I have. Um, and I always check it with God's word.

What does the word of God say? And that's what I want them to do. And, uh, that's it. Okay. So there you go.

Now, if you want to give me a call, the number 877-207-2276. Let's okay. I was going to continue on with this, um, this, uh, email about deism saying it can explain evil better. Okay.

And no, it can't. Okay. Cause he says, I'm interested in exploring the philosophical critique of deism. Deists often claim that the problem of evil fits best within their framework, namely a God who creates the world, but does not intervene in it.

Okay. Now let's work with that. If I'm talking to a, a deist who says that, I'm going to say, can you define what evil is now?

We've got a problem. He has a problem because by definition, deist God is not involved in the world. If he's not involved, he just created the world.

Now he's not involved. So how do you then have a standard of what is evil? And you can say, this is what the deist God says is evil. Because if you're going to say that evil is what you don't like or unnecessary suffering, well, why is that the right definition? The problem of evil rests with them.

When atheists will say to me, well, Matt, let's suffer the problem of evil and go, I don't have any problem with evil. I mean, logically I can account for it. I said, you guys can't, you can't even define what it is and have a universal, uh, understandable definition that applies universally.

You can't even produce that. You guys have the problem, not me. And that's the same issue with the deist. God is not involved in the world. How do you know what evil is? Because you have to have evil compared to him. But if he's not involved in the world, how do you know what he is? How do you know what his character is?

How can you contrast on them, which is against his character? So there's no basis that they can say, evil is then better obtained or explained by them. It doesn't work. He goes on with the email from a presuppositional philosophical perspective. How might one respond to deism, explanatory power. It doesn't have explanatory power. And I just showed why in relation to issues like problem of evil and the grounding of moral values and the coherence of non interventionist deity. Yeah, it's incoherent because if he's not an interventionist, then you have no model. You have no standard.

You just have a watchmaker who made the watch, wound it up and puts it on a table. And that's all that's happening. You can't, you don't know what he looks like. You don't know who he is.

You don't know what tools he has, nothing. And, uh, it's just, he's absent. And if he's absent, then you don't know what moral values are true because he's not revealing those moral values to you. You see, you wouldn't know about people. That is, why that is a big problemo from that perspective.

Let's get to the next one. Whenever I read people who are against eternal security of Christians, they always say the doctrine of one saved always saved came from Calvin. Is that true? Uh, no, uh, came from Jesus in John six, 37 through 40, John 10, 27, 28, John three 16. Uh, I had it, I had it, it had to be earlier than the signature with Calvin, plus the apostle Paul taught it.

Uh, yeah, I just go back to Jesus and I give the reasons and I go to the scriptures where he said it. So no, and when people say this kind of stuff, they say it came or started with Calvin. I'll say, what evidence do you have?

That he was one who began it. And they'll say, well, there was a church father. Have you done a study of the church fathers? Have you?

And they haven't. Uh, so anyway, so much heresy, so little time. There's the last break. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8, 7, 7, 2, 0, 7, 2, 2, 7, 6. We'll be right back. It's Matt slick live taking your calls at 8, 7, 7, 2, 0, 7, 2, 2, 7, 6. Here's Matt slick. Everybody.

Welcome back to the show. Those that we've got nobody waiting. If you want to give me a call, the number is 8, 7, 7, 2, 0, 7, 2, 2, 7, 6. All right. All right. All right. Let me see. We've got another, uh, email, but that is not a question. Okay. Here's another one.

Uh, regarding the fall, would any every human have sent in place if placed in the garden? Um, I believe so. And I can explain why I, that's my opinion. I think so. I'll tell you why.

Uh, and can you explain why it is fair that everyone born automatically inherits in nature? Okay, let's get, let's do this. So, and I'm going to make sure I get this verse right. It's in, uh, I think it's first, first Timothy 5, 21. It says, uh, yeah, I solemnly charge you the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of his chosen angels. And the word they're chosen is a Greek word, uh, eklektos.

Okay. From, uh, eklektos. And it means to choose, to elect, to select. So they are the chosen angels. Well, when I read that, I was wondering why are they the chosen ones? And here's my opinion. Now when I say it's my opinion, it doesn't mean I'm right.

I just think this is what it is. So, uh, I put this together that, uh, the chosen angels that they would have sinned, but God chose them not to sin. They're the elect angels. The chosen, the election is also said of people. And when I, I see this about the issue of being chosen, um, and we're chosen for salvation and second Thessalonians 2, uh, 13, let me check what the word is for that. Uh, second Thessalonians 2, 13, uh, let's see, love and God has chosen you and, oh, it's a different world altogether.

Eklektos. So anyway, here's what I was thinking that God says, be holy for I'm holy. 1st Peter 1 16 and holiness is a property and characteristic of God's nature. And so he tells us to be holy, but we can't because we don't have his nature, but we are not re the reason he tells us that be holy is because he's the standard of righteousness, not us, but he provides the holiness through the person of Christ, who's God in flesh, who's holy, and then we are in crisis. So therefore we're able to be holy.

All right. In that imputed kind of sense and viewed through Jesus. So I view the issue of the created order, all sentient beings, humans and angels, who are created to have that ability to sin or not sin because they have that, that ability, the ability, the, and the sentience, the knowledge that, uh, any creature would have fallen because he's not holy. That's, that's position that if you're not holy, you're going to fall because only God possesses holiness and only holiness is perfection in God's character. We don't possess it. So therefore it's a matter of time we fall.

This is my, my matte slick version of something. And so, uh, I think that's it's all chosen angels are a clue to that. So that's why I believe personally, in my opinion that any human eventually would have sinned. Now the second part of the question is, and can you explain why it's fair quote fair that everyone born automatically inherits in nature, even though they weren't the one who picked the fruit.

All right. Now again, let's use Jesus as a standard. Jesus represented us on the cross. First Peter 2 24, he bore our sin. In, uh, on the cross it says in Isaiah 53, four through six, it says, he took our place, took our stripes. He, uh, is said to be the, um, he became sent on our behalf. Second Corinthians five 21.

All right. So the standard of representation is Jesus. It wasn't fair that Jesus was made under the law mistreated and went to the cross and bore our sins in his body because that's grace. Fairness is based on what's legally required and a moral requirement as well. But obviously the moral requirement of God is met in Christ.

We get into that too. But so Jesus has a standard. If you want fairness and you don't want Adam's sin to be reckoned to us, then be consistent and say, I don't want my sin reckoned to Jesus where he would pay for it and then I'd be saved. Adam is called the, excuse me, Jesus is called the last Adam in first Corinthians 15 45. Now it says in first Corinthians 15 22 it says, uh, in Adam all die in Christ.

All should made a lot. So Jesus is the last Adam. But I believe that Adam's representative power is because of the representative power of Christ, that Christ is a standard of representation. And therefore what he represented on the cross, we died with him. Romans six, six, we were crucified with him. Romans six, eight hours reversed. And so he represented us. So the reason Adam was able to represent us is because Jesus represented us as sin came into the world by the representative in Adam sin leaves the world by the representative of the last Adam. And so they go together and to reject one is to reject the other. Okay.

I hope that helps because I know we are none to say that was fair and what is not because we're all sinful. Yeah. Hope that answers. Hope that answers, Jennifer. Hope that answers the question. All right, now let's go.

We had a caller and we just lost him, but that's okay. So, uh, let me try another question. I was listening to the show today and I heard, uh, not today, today, but it's a little while ago that you talked about the gentleman who wasn't married but had been living with a woman for 13 years. What would you say to a parent who was allowing their kids to live in that property, their property, allowing their kids, well, mom and dad can let, let your kids live on their property. That's fine. Now, if you mean non-married people living together on their property, that's not allowed. My eldest daughter wanted to stay here at our house with her boyfriend and sleep together.

And we very quickly politely said, sorry, that we don't allow that. And one of you can stay here. The other one can get a hotel.

That's fine. But, uh, they both went and got a hotel. That's their business. And my, my daughter's old enough to make her own moral choices.

And unfortunately she made some very bad ones. So, you know, we, we weren't, we weren't making them feel bad. We just let them know this is our standard and, and it's our house. And that's it.

My wife was in complete agreement and we wanted to make sure they felt that they were welcome in our house though. And that, um, you know, we weren't angry at them. So anyway. Okay. All right. All right. Let's try another one.

Let's see. Dear evangelical apologists. I'm a former born again, Christian. I am now an advocate for science and a non-supernatural worldview. Hmm. I developed, Oh, I, I've read this before, months ago, what I believe to be the best method to defeat the apologetic arguments of evangelical Christianity.

Best method. I'm going to open this attachment. I have good virus protector things on. Let's see. Uh, yeah, let's see. Come on, open this thing up. Maybe I can get to it in a couple of minutes and scan it.

I think I did it before and found some very basic problems right away. How many pages is this thing? It's like one.

Oh, it's page three pages of stuff. Oh, he's got it. Oh my goodness. I love it when, um, people, you know, they produce stuff like this and uh, let's see. He has something bold. It'll just look at this and see Jews are a calloused hardhearted people who have closed their eyes near to truth.

They are evil. Oh boy. All right. So what we do with that is, uh, wherever you file that, there's this round it device.

I often put things in for filing. All right, so let's get out of that. And um, where's the delete thing on this one? There it is.

Trash that one. All right. Now we have a caller from Dalton, Ohio, so we'll get to him.

And by the way, if you want, you can email me anytime at info at carm.org and we get these kinds of questions. I like that. All right, let's get to Dalton.

Hey Dalton, welcome. You are on the air. Yeah. Yes. Hang on. How are you doing today? Doing okay.

Yes sir. Hey, I know you only got a few minutes left here. Probably try to take up too much every time, but I was just, uh, I was just having a conversation with one of my friends, um, this morning in regards to church. Well, uh, it's about church. Well, um, he, he believes in the Lord.

I believe in Jesus. Um, and he was talking about like why he doesn't want to go to church and he wants to stop going. And then he made a statement like, you know, the the church is manipulating and all that. Now he lives in Tennessee, so there's a very like heavy Southern Baptist kind of, you know, Bible packing kind of people down there.

Um, but he said already have what I need. Um, and you know, then I, you know, was telling him, you know, the church is definitely not the four walls, you know, it's, it's definitely within us and the body of Christ. And he's like, and he said, don't tell me that you go to one of them churches. And I live in Dayton, Ohio. And, um, I go to Grace Point fellowship in Dayton, Ohio, and it is a beautiful place. It is placed there actually from Franklin, Tennessee.

And it started, um, uh, from their basement and moved to Franklin, Ohio. And it was just, the Lord has moved in there and is a really kind hearted, just really good loving people, a really great fellowship. And, and, um, he was saying like, he does that, but that doesn't make it right. If, you know, even though, you know, we're loving and we're doing all this things and all that, and he was saying the new Testament does not authorize or provide examples of instrumentals being used in early Christian worship.

And he says, he believes that devil makes instruments. Okay. Well, what's the question?

I'm not sure what, what's your question then? Sorry about the kind of thing, but, um, what, what is your intake on like people that are, I have accepted Jesus Christ in their Lord and then they do not attend church. Well, we have to ask him, what's the reason, what's the reason they don't go because there are legitimate reasons not to go.

One is geographical. There isn't a Christian church around one is you could be in a country where there's no churches. You, you could be a sick and you can't get out of the house.

You could be, uh, handicapped. You could not have a budget for fuel to get to a church. There's all kinds of legitimate reasons where you can't attend a church, but if you're capable and there's nothing real, real reason not to go, that's not a good reason.

You need to find a good reason. I mean, I don't find a good reason, but you need to go find a good church. And so for some people like myself, it's hard to find a good church. I'm very often not satisfied with churches because there's just so shallow. And so, uh, you know, but I, but that's, that's okay.

Just need to keep looking and you find a church you go to and that's it, you know, you shouldn't be going cause Hebrews 10, 25 says, do not forsake the gathering together with the body of Christ. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a, that's about all I, that's about all I have today, man. I really appreciate your, uh, the knowledge and your wisdom on this stuff. You, uh, have a blessed one and have a good weekend. Okay. You too, man.

God bless. All right. All right. So, okay. What I was doing while we're talking, while he was talking, I don't have time to go into it. I was looking at the website for that church. And one of the first things I did was look for women pastors, women elders.

I don't see any. So that's good. And, uh, yeah. So good.

It seems to be good. You know, I always do that. I could check out, uh, what the staff says, who the staff are. And then I look at the, like what I'm doing now, what we believe and, uh, Ooh. Oh, this is a nice statement of faith. It's got a lot of big words, good paragraphs, lots of scripture. I'm not reading it.

I'm just scanning it. But it looks, look at that good stuff. Oh, it looks like pretty good. It looks like a good church. Well, it will go there.

Hey, there's the music everybody, um, out of time. May the Lord bless you. Hope you have a great weekend and just remember to lift up the car in prayer because we always need it. We are under spiritual attack in different ways and I'm going to talk next week. I just got to remind me what the missionaries we have in Africa and what they're going through and some of this stuff. But anyway, may the Lord bless you. By his grace back on next week. We'll talk to you then. Another program powered by the truth network.