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Francis taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick live. Today's date is April 9th, 2025, for those who might be interested in, you know, what day it is for the podcast. Because sometimes we have these emergencies or problems or issues, and then we do a rerun and not just say the name so that you can know what day it is, if it's live or not.

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Radio questions, I guess, stuff like that, if we can get to them. All right. So I have been working on Eastern Orthodox quotes, and I'm going to be releasing another article today, probably later today. It's almost ready. I mean, I just need another 10 minutes on it and be ready to go. But I ran out of time. And boy, I'll tell you. You know, I say this. A lot of people aren't interested in this, but that's just what it is.

I do this kind of stuff. You know, I'm a researcher, and I like to research to see what actual stuff is being taught by different religious systems. You know, I go to their sources, and it took me a while to find their official sources. And I've read hundreds of pages of material on Eastern Orthodox theology, and I'm not going to focus on it a whole bunch, but check this out. Salvation is, we believe that a man to not simply be justified through faith alone, but through faith which works through love, that is to say, through faith and works. For thus, scripture would be opposed to itself since it promises to believe our salvation through works.

This is what it says. The Bible doesn't teach salvation through works. It teaches it through the grace of God.

And you know what they do when I bring this up? They say, well, the works we do are the works God gives us to do. I say, well, are they your works? No, they're God's works. Are you doing them? No, God's doing them through us.

It's just stupid. God's doing them through, well, do you do anything? Are you doing anything at all?

You know, give me an example of one of the works, you know, and they might say, helping the poor, right? Well, is that you doing that when you go out and you hand money to a poor person or you buy them groceries? Is that you doing it? Is that God doing it? And then, you know, it gets stuck. Well, it's God doing it through me. Oh, so you are doing it. You know, it's just, this is what happens in the cult mind.

It's really bad. What I'm fascinated by is people, how they think. Now, this is interesting because, you know, I have Asperger's and I'm autistic and high functioning, obviously. And so I've always been, as a child, I couldn't understand people until I figured out why. Oh, that makes sense. And so I always had trouble figuring them out because they didn't make sense to me. People didn't make sense, okay, because they would do things that just didn't make sense. Like beat people up or they'd lie or they wouldn't say what they meant, you know, or you wouldn't answer questions. You know, did you go to the store yesterday and buy that blender?

Well, I'm thinking about it. That's not the answer to the question. You know, and I remember talking to people going, what the heck? How come people can't answer basic questions? And so I became quite interested in studying people to learn how they think, to try and figure out how come they just can't. To me, it was like, well, but that's not the answer. To me, it was so simple, you know, I don't get it. It's like, did you put gas in the car? Well, tomorrow when I go to the store, you know, I was thinking about getting some milk.

Great, save that answer for the question, what are you thinking about doing tomorrow? You know, and so I really got interested over the years, and so I'm still entertained by cult mind theology. It fit right in to when I was, you know, studying the cults a lot back in the day with my buddy, you know, Charlie Spine, who's listening right now. He's a good guy, mostly good. I hope he doesn't hear me say that because I don't want to get a big head, you know, I don't want to, you know, praise him up too much. But because you know how that could be, you know. Right, Charlie? That's right, yes, he's nodding his head, that's right. And so when I talk to people in cults, you know, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, false religions like Islam, you know, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, I mean, these are false religions, they're just not true, I get fascinated.

I do. Why people would say what they would say, what they do, what they do think. And one of the conclusions I've come up with, particularly in religious circles, is people are naturally idolaters. We are naturally idolaters. And we always do this, you know, we tend to, in religious systems, you could kind of blend this over into secular things too. We tend to identify with a cause or a theological perspective. Now imagine that cause or that theological perspective like a true church, okay, a true prophet, whatever it might be, all right, the Watchtower Bible Tract Society, whatever. Imagine it being an idol, an image that, you know, like you have the Catholic Church, you have a Catholic Church idol or an Eastern Orthodox Church idol or an idol of Muhammad, you know, or an idol of Joseph Smith or Angela Moroni or a temple, whatever it is.

People, you know, if you could just take those images and have them represent their theology, their ideas. That to me is their form of idolatry because, you know, what I do, like say the Eastern Orthodox, you know, I'll come in and there's a little Eastern Orthodox idol, the church, the true church with the true priesthood, with the true sacraments, with the true Eucharist, with the true authority, with the true whatever it might be. And it's all represented by that little idol and they kneel before it. Now they don't actually kneel before an idol of their church. I'm just using it as a kind of a metaphor, an illustration. And when I come in, I come into rooms and I just go, hey, you know, knock it over.

I just knock it over. And people get upset because they identify with their idols. They identify with their causes. They identify with their churches. They identify with their systems. They identify with whatever it is.

And I go in there, I don't identify with any of that stuff. I just say, what does Jesus say? What's the Bible say?

That's it. I don't worship the Bible. I don't worship John Calvin, as some say I do.

I don't do that. What does the Bible say? And it's let all the other idols tip, tip over, fall down as we push them. And it's like, you ever have those pointers, you know, pointers with a little hand on it, a little one inch big hand, you know, with a pointer and finger on a stick? Just imagine those, they get their idol over there. And the stick I have is the biblical theology.

Just reach in there, keep pointing. And boy, they don't like it. They do not like it.

They're kind of mean sometimes when I talk to them. But that's just what it is. That's my observation.

That's what it is. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Now we're going to get on with Patrick again, and we'll see how this conversation goes, how long it'll take to degrade. Let's see. Pat, you're welcome. I mean, you're on, on the air. All right. Thanks for taking my call. I just hope you don't hang up on me.

Well, don't be coming up straperous. All right. Yesterday you had said that you were baptized by Chuck Smith. My question is, did Chuck Smith baptize you with the Holy Spirit? No. He just baptized us in water. My wife and I together.

What did he do? Oh, we baptized in the water out in the ocean, Southern California. That's all, just baptism, water baptism. Have you ever been baptized with the Holy Spirit?

Well, define what you mean by that, and then we'll see. Have you ever had a born-again experience? Yes, but what do you mean by baptism of the Holy Spirit?

What do you mean? Well, you know, John the Baptist said, I baptize with water, but the one coming after me will baptize with the Holy Spirit. What does that mean in Matthew 3.11? Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a movement of the Holy Spirit and the charismatic gifts.

It's out of Acts 2.38, it's also out of Acts 10, 44 through 48. The movement of the Spirit of God, the gift of the Holy Spirit is that movement, because the Holy Spirit is poured out upon people's prophesied in the Old Testament, particularly in Joel 2, 28, 29, which is quoted by Peter in Acts chapter 2, verses 17 and 18. So it's the manifestation of those charismatic gifts. And only Jesus can do the baptism of the Holy Spirit, correct? It doesn't say only Jesus can do that, but it would be a good logical thing to say that, but it doesn't say specifically. Well, it does, because in John 1.33, God himself said to John the Baptist, the one who sees the Spirit descend and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit, which is referring to Jesus.

Yes, I know, but this is an issue of logic. It says he baptizes in the Holy Spirit. It doesn't say he alone baptizes in the Holy Spirit. That's all I'm saying. It doesn't say the word alone.

That's all. Well, when it says that Jesus said, in order you to get to the Father, you have to go through me, that to me would be a baptism of the Holy Spirit born again experience to get to the Father. Would you believe that? No, that's not what he's talking about there. In 1 Corinthians 1.7, God is faithful to whom we're called into fellowship with the Son Christ Jesus. And Jesus says in John 14.6, he's the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the Father but by him.

And so he's just saying he's the mediator. He's the one through whom we have to go in order to get to God the Father. A born again experience is something different. But, okay, in John 3.5, when Jesus said you must be born of water and spirit, what is that water? Most of the Church Fathers thought it was water baptism.

I believe that it is the water of the womb, and that's what I believe it is. Well, in Scripture, in John 4, right after that, Jesus meets up with the woman at the well, and he told the woman, if you knew the gift of God, you would have asked me for a drink, and I would have given you living water. Don't you think that the living water would be the reference from John 3.5? No, because they're completely different contexts. He's talking to the Pharisee then, and then in John 3.22, he says, after these things, Jesus' disciples came into the land of Judea. There's a geographical differentiation and a time differentiation.

So different events are now occurring, so I wouldn't say it's the same thing. Well, you know, the woman at the well asked Jesus, how can I receive this living water? And Jesus said, go home and get your husband and come back. Why did Jesus say that? Because he's God in flesh, and he knew her five husbands.

Also, the five periods of time and oppression that had happened to Israel in history, but that's another topic too. Okay. Well, no, I believe when Jesus, when the woman said, I have no husband, Jesus said, you're correct when you say you have no husband.

The fact is you had five husbands, and the man you're with now is not your husband. But hold on, we got a break, okay. Hold up, buddy. We'll be right back after these messages, folks, if you want to give me a call, the number is 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, it is easy. Just dial 877-207-2276, and if you want to email me, that is also easy, simple. Just email me at info at karm.org, info at karm.org, and put in there if you have a radio comment, radio question.

Just put in radio comment, radio question, and we can get to those also. All right, let's get back on with Patrick. Okay, Patrick, you're here. Yeah, I'm still here.

Okay. What I was saying is that the woman asked Jesus, how do I receive this living water? And, you know, Jesus told her, go home and get your husband and come back. And the woman said, I don't have a husband. And Jesus said, you're correct when you say you have no husband. You've had five husbands, and the man you're with now is not your husband. What did that have to do with her getting the living water?

With all this, you know, not having a husband and stuff. Well, we'd have to look at the context of John 4, and that well that they're at, I've just, trivia, I've drank water out of that very well. Over there in Israel is great. But that's not the living water. I know that. You drink the real water that you'll get thirsty again for. Yeah, I know that.

Yeah, I'm just saying. Okay, but Jesus was speaking of the living water to the woman at the well, and that was the gift of God, the living water. So wouldn't it be fair to say that in John 3-5 it could be living water that Jesus was speaking about?

Unless you drink the living water, you'll never enter the kingdom of heaven. Well, I don't like changing God's word by interpreting it and altering the text to make it say what I want. So that's why I don't do that with John 3-5. But you think it's human birth?

That's my opinion. The majority of people I've studied don't agree with that position, but that's what I hold to because of the context. Right, most people believe it's water baptism. Right, which I think is incorrect. But that would mean then water baptism is is salvational.

Well, it could mean that, but it's not a doctrinal issue that I look upon and then impose on the text. The reason I hold to what I do is because Jesus says you must be born from above or born again, otherwise you can't see the kingdom of God. And Nicodemus says, how can he be born when he's old?

Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb? And Jesus says, unless you're born of water and the Spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and the Spirit is spirit.

So I just think he's referring, Jesus is saying born of the water and the Spirit and the flesh and the Spirit is paralleling them. This is Nicodemus was thinking that too. That's why I say that. I'm not the only one who says that.

There's some, you know, it's others who do hold that position, though it's not a dominant one. That's just me, my honest opinion of the text. Right, but the scripture does say in John 4, right after John 3-5, to the woman at the well, if you knew the gift of God, you would ask me for a drink and I would have given you living water. That can easily make more sense if that is the water. So, um, what's the drink? Okay, what, what's, what's Jesus telling her to drink? The living water. What living water? The living water that she would make when she repented her adultery, because she was an adult because she had...

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So it's the living water is the water she would drink, you said, right? Yes. So is it actual water?

Yes, in fact... Which water? In your testimony... Hold on, I just asked if it was water, actual water. So where, where is this, where is this water that you drink in order to have, uh, eternal life? Is when you truly repent with great sorrow you'll cry tears of living water, they will go down your cheek and you can drink them. So let me get this straight, so you're saved by crying and drinking your own tears?

Yes, as a repentance to God, because Jesus said you must repent to get to the kingdom of heaven. All right, um, that's one of the worst, that's one of the worst, let me just tell you, it's one of the worst exegetical positions I've ever heard, period. It's not the worst you've never heard before. In 45 years, uh, it's, yeah, it's, it's the first time I've heard that, that someone says the water, the living water is your tears that you drink down your, when it goes down your cheek and your mouth and you drink, that's how you get saved.

Um, I would think that is basically, uh, Lulu. That's crazy. Okay, you documented your testimony the day you cry, uh, were saved, you were crying like a baby, you documented in your, in your personal testimony on car. Yes.

Right? And, and you had a footnote before you explained what happened, you said, what, what am I about to tell you, I do not understand. But he said it did happen, and then you go on to say, you went up and you cried like a baby. You said you cried more than you did the day your son died.

Is that true? That's correct, yes. Yes, because that day you were born again, you drank the living water because you were crying like a baby, and you said to yourself that you were, the tears were flooding out of your eyes. That's what you said in your testimony.

I mean, Charlie could post it on the thing. Except that when that happened, I said when it happened, my face was to the ground, so they weren't going down my cheek. The point is, your, your tears can be drinking because they end up at your mouth when you cry.

Uh, you never heard that. Hold on, I recall. Hold on, hold on, there you go again, you're getting obstreperous.

I just recall the tears falling on the carpet, straight from my eyes, because my face was down, my face was on the ground. Okay. Now, you're just trying to, to make excuses. The fact is, I'm not. You were crying. No, I'm not, hold on. I'm not making excuses. I was there.

I remember. I wasn't there, and you documented it. Yeah, so, um, Pat, uh, I don't, I don't know what happened to you, but, uh, spiritually, you're, you're, you're lost. You don't know the truth. You don't know how to actually, or examine scripture.

You don't understand logic. And what you need is the Lord Jesus Christ, God in flesh, who died on the cross. You need to trust in Jesus. You're the one who says Jesus was sprinkled and was baptized.

That's right. Yeah, according to Levitical law, yeah, according to the law, uh, which I can document, but I'm just saying, you need, you need Jesus, and you need the real Jesus. You need to trust in Christ. You need to abandon this. I'm more than again, you need to you, you need, hold on, you need to abandon this is wacko stuff you come up with. You need to, you know, okay, I'm trying to talk to you about salvation and Jesus, and you keep interrupting. This is you becoming obstreperous again.

You know what that means? I know according to you, it means, okay, we're just going to go on. Okay, and we'll move on.

This is what happens is, uh, I'll just do this and then that. So, um, you know, for those of you who don't know who Pat, Patrick is, he, there's a good example of Patrick, uh, who does not have all his theological paws in the litter box. And, uh, we've had many, many, many conversations over the years. Uh, he's interesting. I've never heard anybody teach that you're saved by the tears you cry they come down in your mouth, you drink them, that's how you get saved. That's living water. Um, wow, uh, that's, that's, that's a new one. I've never heard that before, but hey, there's always something new under the sun, isn't there?

Kind of. Anyway, hey, we'll be right back after these messages. Hey, give me a call. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276.

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All you have to do is just dial 877-207-2276. Let's get to Alexander. Here we go, Alexander from Virginia. Hi Matt, nice to be here again.

Hey, nice talking to you too, man. What do you got? Uh, so today I wanted to ask from like a theological perspective, what do you think or who do you think built the pyramids? I don't know. I've heard so many different things that some say they're older than the Egyptian empire, some say that the Egyptians built them, some say different people came in and helped, and I don't know.

Uh, it's been an interesting, uh, it's been, it's been interesting though, so I'm not sure. Okay, does that have anything to do with like the, the Jews being enslaved in Egypt? Like, did they build it? I, you know, I can't say yes, can't say no, it's not an area I've really studied that much, but I will tell you this, that the, this is what I remember about studying the Great Pyramid of Giza, uh, years, many, many years ago, uh, that the altitude, when it's completely normal, when it, the, the, uh, cap is on and everything, that the altitude divided into the perimeter of the base is pi, 3.141592685, it's really weird, and that two, four thousand, six thousand, whatever, years ago, that the shaft, uh, that went in, uh, pointed to the, to the north star, I think it was, uh, it's just some weird stuff about it, and it's built in such a way that when there's an earthquake, it actually gets stronger. I don't know if there's a major, you know, eight, you know, whatever, but, uh, and there are granite, uh, blocks in there that, uh, they don't know where they got them from, but then there's some theories that they, that the Nile was differently located and had moved, and there seems to be some evidence, uh, from above when they do, uh, an analysis of terrain, you know, the height camera's up, you know, a thousand, two thousand, twenty thousand feet, whatever it is, and they can see straight line canals, and it looks like the Nile was a different place, you know, in that area, you know, and so they were able to maybe shift or ship these stones down, um, the river and then into a canal that was man-made, built up to the location, so I, you know, I've just heard so many things that I, I just don't know.

Okay, so it's not really like a, a true standpoint. Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know, you know, I mean, it'd be fun if some people say, well, the aliens build them, you know, or who knows, maybe the Nephilim, I don't know, you know. Yeah, yeah, well, if it's all right, also, one more thing I'd like to ask about, um, so I just know that, like, the Catholic Bible has more, more books than the King James Version, um, so how exactly, how exactly do you distinguish, like, what books from the Apocrypha, like, are to be read as canon versus the original 66, or I don't know if this is the original? Yeah, go with what the Jews did, because in Romans 3-2, Paul says the Jews were trusted by God with the oracles of God. They did not accept the Apocryphal books as inspired. It's just that simple, okay, that easy, okay, and I can give you other evidences as well, but the Jews didn't regard them as Scripture. They just didn't, and, uh, like I said, let me go to the verse, oh, where's this word verse right here, Romans 3-2, and it says a great every, three, two, or is it two, yeah, that's right, first of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.

That's what it says. So, okay, Paul the Apostle says the Jews were entrusted with God's word, with God's oracles, with God's statements, and the Greek word is logia, or logia, their word of God. So, they didn't recognize the Apocryphal books.

It should be over, argument should be over. So, what did you say, like, can't be held to the same standard as the Bible with, like, infallibility and just maybe being able to receive inspiration by reading it? No, no, you don't receive inspiration by reading it. Uh, uh, it's just not inspired. The Apocrypha is just not inspired. It just has problems, and I've got articles on it.

Okay. There's some issues, and I know some other stuff if you want, but it's worth reading, you know, like, I just spent a few days reading some confessions of the Orthodox Church, or the Seventh Ecumenical Council, um, on Second Nicaea. I've read, read that, and these are not inspired, but they're worth reading to get information. So, uh, they're just, you know, just don't consider them inspired, and the Catholic Church added them in, because in Second Maccabees it talks about praying to the dead, and the Catholic Church has that heresy, that idolatrous practice of praying to the dead, and they want to justify it. So, when the Protestant Reformation occurred, and, uh, it was the, uh, pocketful books were authenticated in 1546. They said, oh, these are the true books now. So, up to that point, it hadn't been authenticated.

Okay, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. And also, in, uh, there were a couple, I can go with a couple other things if you want, but, um, I mean, yeah, let me do this. Let me show you. In Luke 11 43, okay, it says, uh, oh, that's not, that's the wrong one.

I want to go 51. Jesus says, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God, yes, I tell you, it'll be charged against this generation. The blood of Abel is Genesis. The blood of Zechariah is Chronicles. But, what a lot of people don't know is that, you know, we have 39 books in the Old Testament.

Okay, and, uh, hold on. We have 39 books in the Old Testament. They have 22, but the 22 are the same as our 39. They just combined books. We haven't broken up. So, if, hypothetically, the Old Testament was exactly 100,000 words, their 22 books is 100,000 words, our 39 is 100,000 words.

We just haven't broken up differently. Okay, so, when Jesus did, said this, for the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, Zechariah was in Chronicles, and Chronicles was at the, in the end of the canon. It was at the end.

Ours is, is Malachi. I don't know what, I don't know how it all changed, but, anyway, it's an interesting study. I just don't know how it changed. But, uh, it's, so, it's like saying from us, it's like saying from Genesis to Malachi, when you say from Abel to Zechariah, the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah. That's what it's like saying. So, Jesus was referencing the existing canon arrangement of the Jews at that time. It's like, it's equivalent to us saying, or Jesus saying today, from Genesis to Malachi.

Okay, and furthermore, there's another thing. In, let's see, Luke 11 45, Luke 11 45, nope, that's not it. Where is that? 22, oh man, um, prophet. You know, I got so many verses in my head, and then I met, I forget where they are sometimes. Uh, the law of the prophets, um, where is that? The law, hold on, he opened their mind, oh, it's Luke 24, I knew that, Luke 24. Let's see, Luke 24 44, Jesus says this, these are my words which I've spoken to you while I was with you, that all things written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. The law, prophets and Psalms was the division of the Old Testament, those books, not the apocryphal books.

They weren't included in that. So, Jesus says, this was written about me in the law of the prophets and Psalms. He excluded the apocryphal books. Okay, okay, and do we, were these written by Moses, or do we not know who they were written by?

The law was written by Moses, the Psalms written by David and a couple other guys, and the prophets, you know, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, etc., you know, Hezekiah, all right. All right. So, curious, how come you're asking?

Thank you very much, Matt. Sure, how come you're asking? I'm curious. Oh, how come I'm asking about, uh, the Apocrypha?

Yes. Well, I actually just got a new Bible. It's the Bible plus the Apocrypha, common English version. Um, I just didn't know whether it was worth reading, really, or, like, what the, what the stance on it was at all. Yeah, it's worth, uh, it's, it's worth reading if you want to do research. It's not worth reading, reading if you want just God's inspired Word. I need to stay away from it.

Okay. Would you consider that same thing of both, like, other religious texts that other churches talk about, like the Quran? The Quran is, uh, you know, I've read most of it. You can read the Quran and just see what it, what's in it. What it sounds like to me is a guy trying to sound spiritual. There's really no history in it.

Yeah. It has contradictions in it, and, uh, it just is badly put together. It's badly arranged.

There's lots of problems in it. Uh, you know, when I read the Quran, seriously, when I read it, if I study it, I'm like, this is a joke. I just say it's a joke. You read this stuff, it's a joke. It is. It has dumb stuff in it, too, and they believe it's the word of Allah. Uh, jeez, it's bad.

I can show you stuff in the Quran, too. That's really bad, too, if you're interested, but, you know, it's up to you. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, thank you. You know, I'm going here to Liberty at Lynchburg, and I just think it's all a cool area, but, yeah, thank you. All right, man.

Sounds good. We got our breaks. We got to go. All right, buddy. God bless. All right.

You, too. Hey, folks, give me a call. 877-207-2276. Be right back. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, you can. It's really easy.

877-207-2276. And, um, all right, all right, all right. I got some things here we could talk about, but I don't know yet.

I'm going to wait until I get the proof. Someone texted me and said, hey, check this out, and I'm like, what? And so, um, I've been asked to come on to a show to discuss it. What am I talking about? The Return of Christ. Is it physical or not physical?

And there's a prominent author, apparently, who has denied it, and so I'm going to get the book, research it, find out, and then see if, uh, this prominent individual is actually teaching what people are saying is teaching what I'm going to find out. You know, and don't I wet your interest on that? I don't know.

I hope so. All right. Hey, let's get to some emails, and, uh, let's do the next one here. Let's see. Thanks for your ministry. My question is, could a gentle convert, a gentile convert, come into the court of Israel at the Tabernacle Temple?

No. The Jews wouldn't let that, because you have to be a Jew, and a gentile, uh, couldn't do that. Um, oh, you mean a gentile convert in, okay, uh, okay, back then. Uh, that's interesting. Uh, you know, I, I, I don't know. There's, the reason is because, um, I've heard different things over the years, that in order for a person to be considered officially descended out of Judaism, there was something to do with a gentile being converted, was considered a true Jew convert, but of the bloodline that it was excluded, and that it took four or five generations, I'm trying to remember this as I'm talking, four or five generations of descendants before that descendant was considered worthy to be involved with certain things that were like this.

I'm trying to remember. So, uh, that's why I can't say. However, as he goes on, it is, uh, in reading this stipulation, it's almost as if this is the way for the outsiders to be exposed to Judaism as a form of witnessing. Interesting. In reviewing passages in Levitical law, it seems that gentile converts residing with Israel are allowed to make sacrifices and participate and, uh, really discernment. That is correct. That is correct, yes. Furthermore, my study gives indication that the altar for making these sacrifices was inside the Court of Israel.

Hence, if a gentile convert would present a sacrifice, he would de facto have to be inside the Court of Israel. That one I don't know. I'll have to see, but that's an interesting thing.

You know, I could just be mistaken about that, but that's, that's, that's good, good stuff. Um, good question. I don't have a good answer on that one. Maybe someone who's an expert in Judaism and that kind of thing could give you a call and say, hey, here's the answer. I'd like that.

Let's try this. Thank you for your show and answering my question. Did Jesus die for an infinite number of sins? No, he did not.

Um, I wrote an article on this. He did not die for an infinite number of sins because there aren't an infinite number of sins. Because in order to be an infinite number of sins, mankind has to have already been alive infinitely long, which isn't the case, and that's not the case, or an infinite number of people, then now, then you'd have an infinite number of sins. So Jesus did not die for, in any scenario, for those. Now, um, when it says die for sins, we get these logical issues of, are the sins then paid for, removed, the sin debt canceled. Um, the blood of Christ is certainly of infinite value and could do that, but, um, it doesn't look like that is the case. Now, someone might say, well, what about those who are in hell? And they are denying the true God and maybe cursing God in hell for forever. Um, well, about those sins, did he die for those sins?

I'd say, of course not. Because I believe Jesus only bore the sin of the elect. Because I believe the atonement of Christ is so powerful that all for whom he died will be saved because he paid for their sins. This is a statement people will just say that I don't think they think through.

He paid for their sins. Okay, well, what does that mean? We paid for them.

Okay, what does it mean? Okay, you think about it. So if I met a restaurant and I have a bill coming due for a meal and a friend pays my bill, he's paid my debt, right? He's paid for it, right? It's paid for. Well, then, does that debt exist anymore?

Is there a bill coming due anymore? No, it's not. So he paid for the sins of everybody who ever lived. Well, then, there's no sin.

It's gone. Well, then, how can anybody go to hell? Well, they've got to accept it to make it work. It's like me saying at the dinner table when my friend pays my bill that when he, you know, slips the card in without me knowing it and he pays the bill, maybe switches my card out with his card and he pays the bill and comes back, it's paid. You know, it doesn't become paid if I accept it. This is the kind of stuff, the logistical problems that are replete in that view that he died and paid the sin debt for everybody ever lived. There's all kinds of problems with that.

So, but, at any rate, that's one of them. All right, let's see. How about this next one?

Let's see. Matt, how would you address a sibling that believes Paul's epistles are not scripture and therefore the Jewish law still needs to be followed for salvation? I would say, okay, why?

Why are they not scripture? And this is asking, what are the reasons? He has to have a reason. Maybe he says they're just not because they're just not, but it's not a reason. It's arbitrary.

An arbitrariness does not prove anything or doesn't support anything. He'd have to give a set of reasons and if he could, then we could just sit there and go through them and make sure that his reasoning is good or faulty. We find out which one. That's what we do.

It's not hard to do and so that's what I would suggest and to do that. All right, let's see. Let's get to another one. I'm a fairly new listener and really enjoy the show. Okay, good.

That's from February. I especially like the times when you share what you're learning about and how to go about it. Yeah. I like, you know, I like research. It's one of those, those, uh, autism things. You know, you focus on one thing, get something done. I enjoy it.

I enjoy reading through heresy. That's weird. Some people enjoy watching sports. Some people enjoy, um, I don't know, watching sports and so that bores the bejeebers out of me. Like, okay, they dropped the ball. Now they're all jumping on each other.

Okay, they're, look, they're chasing a guy with a ball. Okay, now what am I going to do? That to me is boring. What I like is, ooh, I tell my wife this. I say, hey, let me read you this. She goes, she just, you know, her eyes go to, I list a half mask and she just kind of waits till it's over.

I can tell, but she's good that way and I say, look at this. This is heresy. You know, I look at this heresy and I'll read a heresy to her and she, and I say, that's exciting. It's interesting. She says, well, I'm glad you like it.

They said, yeah, this is really good stuff. You know, it's, uh, that's heresy. So that's, that's me, you know, and I was talking to my wife about, uh, you know, what she goes, you know, and she used to go up with the ladies. What's your husband do? There's that expression again, that blank expression. Well, it's kind of hard to explain, you know, he sits in front of a computer and works on articles, researches heresy, debates people about theology and, uh, gets into these discussions and long stuff.

Then he does these word studies on Bible verses and words out of stuff. And then he did, I can see them all, just all the ladies going into comatose fits. All right, let's try Alberto. Hey Alberto, welcome buddy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, real quick. Yeah, my question is, why would a man of God who's been faithful so many years, but lead premiers faithfully mean false morally. Everybody wants to get into the mud, but yet when an ex-porn star or a prostitute suddenly comes to Christ, people praise him for it.

They say, oh yeah, now they're coming, like they're, now they're gonna live a better life and stuff. Because the pastor was faithful. Because the pastor is supposed to be above, um, reproach. He's obligated by scripture out of Titus one and first Timothy three to be above reproach. When he fails, he has really fallen hard and really fallen, and he is under that judgment.

But when we have a sinner who is repented of their sin and come to faith in Christ, we rejoice over that. That's why there's, there are different things. Okay? Okay, I understand that, but still he's human. He's human.

Okay, it doesn't matter if he's human or not. That's not the issue. The issue is the Bible says he is to be above reproach.

It says that. So if he does that, he's failed in his calling. That's why such pastors are then disqualified. Okay?

All right. Okay, so when people, okay, so when people fall, I hear people say fall from grace. That doesn't mean to fall from grace. Uh, fuck that terminology. I heard so many sometimes people say fall from grace, but they throw that that verse, that phrase is misuse. You know what I mean?

So you can't fall from grace. It's just a, it's just a phrase. That's all it is. Okay.

Just a phrase. All right. Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. All right, man. God bless you. I hope I work. You too. All right. We have like two, three minutes left in the show.

Two and a half. Let me see if I get some more emails and um, I'm gonna finish reading the other one. It says if, uh, an article, if you have one on how to perform your studies and geeky ins and outs, use your excel spreadsheet to organize it all. Um, I've actually thought about, uh, doing a video, uh, where I show how to make an outline and how to go through the outline in word and then, but I also do something else where I have a macro. This is, this is the right, really like I do this.

A lot of people don't know this. I'm going to talk about it very often. I developed a macro that, um, that you can create or you can just, you know, you can put in so that when you do an outline and you, because the thing about doing an outline, you cut and paste all kinds of information and the outline gets wonky.

What I can do is I can highlight the entire area, like the entire file, and then hit the macro button and boom. It, it, uh, arranges all of the, the outline stuff indented and all this up really nicely and, and, uh, it's one of the best tools I've ever developed. And man, do I love it. Uh, it's great.

So there you go. That's what I do. I gotta do that. You know, I gotta do, I gotta make a, make a video.

People have asked, but then I have to figure out how to do it. So, uh, I'm trying to make a right, the right kind of video. All right.

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