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Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. Today's date. Is let's see April 27th, 2026. If you want to give me a call, as usual, all I have to do is dial 87720.

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All right, couple things. Couple things. I'm going to talk about an article I wrote and released. today. Probably gonna change the title of it, but um Besides that, we have openings that have in have I've started on the trip.

to um Let's see to England and Germany. to England and Germany. I think it's called the let's see. Uh England, Germany. England Germany.com or something like that.

I'm going to look it up. And so maybe one of you guys can find it for me. But it's a tour we're going on for Reformation. We have two or three spots open. If you guys are interested in checking it out, there's a lot of information there.

Just letting you guys know. It's England, Germany, Germany, England. And you'll figure it out for me, and I'll let you know a little bit. But that's what that is.

So we had someone drop out, and we have, I think, two or three openings. Anyway, there you go. If you want more information, I'll give it to you a little bit. Germany, England. There was a England Germany.

I'm trying to remember England. Germany. Yeah.

So I'll. We'll we'll figure it out. And also, I released an article a little bit ago, like about an hour and 15 minutes ago. But, like I said, I'm probably going to change the title because now I'm thinking about the title. I'm thinking a better title is um Yeah.

is proof the Catholic and East Orthodox churches are false. And uh I found a proof. Yeah.

Now some of you may be really Curious what this is. I'm going to go through it. Uh and I've been working on this and developing it. And I've been using it more and more lately, and the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics aren't able to answer it. repeatedly.

And the proof is very simple. And I'm going to go through what's called premise 1, premise 2, premise 3. Germany, England, that's what it is, Germany, England. Let's see if we can get right in there. Germany Germanyengland.com.

That's there, it is. Thank you. I got it reversed. And all the information you need for that experience: 500 years of Protestant history in Germany, England, going October 14th and 26th. I'll be going.

So if you want to go check it out, you can. Any information you need is there, germanyengland.com, and let me know. All right, now. Back to the issue of this proof, and it is, it's proof. that Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism are false.

And it's a pretty bold statement, so how could it possibly be true? That is that's proof.

Well, logic necessitates conclusions.

So for example, if we were to say that all men are mortal, Socrates was mortal. or all men are mortal.

Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal. These are necessary things that when we have a logical conclusion, it follows. We have to affirm the consequent. We have to affirm that the conclusion is correct. Yeah.

So One of the things I've been saying, and I use this a lot lately. is uh proposition one or premise one. In Matthew 10, one through seven, one and seven, specifically, Jesus. explicitly granted the twelve disciples authority to heal every kind of disease, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. And so He was able to do this and he demonstrated his authority in Luke 5, 24, when he says, So that you may know the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins, I say to you, Take up your pallet and walk.

So we know that Jesus established his authority by the miracles he did. And then, what we see in Matthew 10 is that Jesus gave apostolic authority to the 12 disciples. We call it apostolic authority because they're apostles. And the authority was to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons.

So, as it says in verse 1, to heal every kind of sickness, and in verse 7, to raise the dead. We can say then that Jesus gave the apostolic authority to include healing every kind of disease and raising the dead.

So, the apostles demonstrated this practice, their authority, with signs, wonders, and miracles throughout the New Testament, the book of Acts in particular.

So in Acts 3, 6 through 7, Uh Peter was talking, and seizing him by the right hand, he raised him up, and immediately his feet and ankles were strengthened. There's you go. In scripture in Acts 5, 15 through 16. They carried the sick to the streets, laid them on cots and pallets whenever Peter came by, and he was healing them. We have in Acts 9.40, Peter was turning Uh, said to Tabitha, the dead girl, says, Rise, and she did.

God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul in Acts 19. Uh one or eleven through twelve.

So We see this is a demonstration of the apostolic authority.

Now in addition in 2 Corinthians 12 2 or excuse me 12 12 Paul defines the mark of true apostleship with apostolic authority, As including precisely these things: wonders and miracles.

Now, he says this: he says, true apostle.

Now, if they have apostolic authority, the apostles are performing his miracles.

Now, the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, their churches claim to have that same apostolic authority. That's what they claim.

So, Roman Catholics say bishops and priests as co-workers have their first task to preach the gospel of God to all men. In keeping with the Lord's command, they are heralds of faith who draw new disciples to Christ. They are authentic teachers of the apostolic faith, endowed with the authority of Christ. as paragraph uh eight eight eight in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. And the East Orthodox says apostolic succession is the tracing of a direct line of apostolic organization.

Ordination. It is through apostolic succession that the Orthodox Christian Church is a spiritual successor to the original body of believers in Christ that was composed of the Holy Apostles.

So they're claiming to have apostolic authority. All right. They do. That means that their priesthood their bishops or priesthood. have this authority.

And Paul confirmed that the apostles and their apostolic authority. had this ability to do this in 2 Corinthians 12.12.

Okay.

Now, since we see the criteria Jesus established in Matthew 10, 1, and verse 8. And Paul confirmed in 2 Corinthians 12:12 that the apostolic and East Orthodox churches do not possess genuine apostolic authority. Because they are not doing it. That they are not. Performing Yeah.

Because they do not demonstrate the apostolic credentials. If they did, there'd be great crowds following them. just as there were great crowds following the disciples and their miracles in the book of Acts. That's a demonstration.

So, by the criteria established in Matthew 10, verse 1 and 8, and 2 Corinthians 12, 12. We see, verse 8, not verse 8, but verse 7. We see. That's what the apostolic authority is. It consists of being able to raise the dead and heal the sick.

And they don't do it. Therefore, the priesthoods do not have apostolic authority and their false priesthoods. Their churches are based on the validity of their priesthoods.

So, therefore, since they have false priesthoods, their churches are false. Very simple, very, very easy. It's logical. I've been using this in a more direct manner by just saying, Look, you guys claim your church is true, right? It has apostolic authority, right?

Yeah, well, in Matthew 10, Jesus says that to have that apostolic authority is to heal every kind of disease and raise the dead. And I said, are your your guys doing that? No, they're not.

So therefore they don't have apostolic authority. Really simple. Real simple, quick and slick. And boy, I'll tell you, the ways that they try and get out of it are just numerous. And of course, I answer them all.

And then on the same article, I have objections answered. I have four of them. And then.

some other stuff I found today, as a matter of fact, going through and researching. Found some more information. Anyway, so there you go. That is proof that uh they're uh they don't have apostolic authority, which means they don't have they do not have um Apostolic authority in their priesthood. Their churches are founded on their priesthood.

They don't have a valid priesthood, so, therefore, their churches are false. Simple, easy peasy, germane. How are you doing, buddy? You're welcome. You're on the air, man.

Hey, Matt, yeah, I wanted to ask you about Romans chapter fourteen, verse twelve. about every man giving an account. Yeah.

I I've heard some people say that they believe that when you give an account, Potentially, everyone that has been wronged by you may be there to bear witness against you. I'm just, you know, that maybe, maybe not, but does the scripture ever allude to what exactly? goes on during that account. Yeah.

Uh no you're gonna face God, not other people.

So Let me get this straight.

So people are you're hearing this. Each one will give account of himself to God. Is being used to say that we're going to have to give account to our friends and people will be offended? I guess Maybe uh let me clarify.

Some people Seem to be preaching in a way that says. when you give account That there will be people there to testify, in a sense. And I just don't see that in the picture. I mean, maybe it's possible in some way, shape or form that we can't comprehend, but. I just don't see it really spoken of as scripture.

So I but I hear a lot of pastors have gone and used that as an illustration. Yeah, that's found actually in the book called The Book of First Colostomy. That's where that's found. that teaching. It's not there in Scripture.

We don't have to give an account to people. We give an account to God. That's what it says. Each one of us will give an account of himself to God. It doesn't say that people are going to be bearing witness against us in there, they're going to be too busy with their own accounts before God.

So, this teaching, I wish preachers would take courses in logic and learn what it means to apply logic to Scripture. You can't say that. The Scripture doesn't teach that. If they draw conclusions, as so many of them do, erroneously, then they start leading the members of the body of Christ astray.

So, it's really problematic. I wish they wouldn't do that. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, yeah, I don't even think I need a follow-up for that one. You were pretty clear. It just said it seems like they're adding anecdotes and illustrations, but I I think it speaks for itself. Yeah, it doesn't say that what they're saying. You know, um Like for example, uh this is something uh I I'll do with some people sometime.

You'll go to John 3:16. You know, it's a famous verse, you know, God loved the world, gave His only begotten Son. And I'll have discussions with Him. I'll say, What does the word world mean? And they say it means every individual.

Say, well, okay. How do you know that? And it was because of what it means. I try and get them to think. If the word world means every individual, then can you demonstrate that that's what it means from the text, or are you just assuming it's what it means in the text?

Now, this annoys people when I ask them to demonstrate their position. exegetically. Because if the word world, you know, I could say over here, the world, you know, God made the world as plants. And animals.

So, how do you know it doesn't mean that? I'm not saying it does. I'm just trying to get him to think.

Well, because it says he gives eternal life.

Okay, well now you're on the right track.

Okay, so then he gives eternal life to everybody all over the world? No, only those who believe. God's loved the world, he gave his only begotten Son. Right, whoever believed would not perish.

Okay, so then now we're saying that the word world there is in reference to only the believers? Or everybody. And I'm just playing with them mentally to try and get them to learn how to apply something, even to a very simple scripture like that. And to see if what they're saying can be found in that scripture or the context of that scripture. And most of them can't do it.

But I try and teach them how to do it. Anyway, make sense? Yeah, I'm 50%. All right, buddy. All right, God bless, man.

Hey, we had a break. Talk to you later.

Okay.

Yeah.

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So I go on to Discord a lot, and I started going back to what's called Clubhouse. And I went to Clubhouse recently and had an 45-minute discussion. with atheists. And We got into some really interesting conversations. And uh What I've noticed recently, again, I kind of have a season where I'll talk to atheists and a season where I don't, and maybe the season of talking to them is coming back.

I don't know. And I had this discussion about demonstrating that that uh atheism was true. And the way this one guy tried to do this. was uh By saying he had a syllogism. Uh Let me see if I'm going to be remembered.

I wrote it down. Then I actually closed the window out and I lost it. But it had to do with the idea that. Uh If atheists, if Christianity is true, God doesn't exist. But if atheism is coherent, then God doesn't exist, and therefore atheism was coherent, so God doesn't exist.

It was something like this. And I remember thinking, well, okay. And he cited what was called a truth table. It's a tool used in logic to map out different possibility combinations of true and false statements given for a particular argument. And so we had this discussion, and it was really interesting because he made this statement: atheism is coherent, or it's not incoherent.

He actually used the negative: atheism is not incoherent, so therefore atheism is true. And he was using this in a truth table and And I said, well, okay. I guess if I remember the thing uh issue with the Uh oh. Oh ideal.

Okay, let's see if I can get my notes to come back up and remember exactly what it was said, but it's not really here nor there. Uh So here, oh, I remember now. Here it is. Christian God exists and atheism is incoherent. Atheism is not incoherent, therefore the Christian God does not exist.

And uh So this was uh It's valid, but it's not sound. And I told him, I said, look, validity and soundness are different.

Now, let me give you an example of what is valid and sound. All men are mortal, Socrates was a man, Therefore, Socrates is mortal. It's valid because the premise. Premises lead to the conclusion, or the conclusion supported by the premises.

So it's logic, it's valid and sound.

Now, what I'm going to do is show you, using the same example, how something can be valid but not sound.

So, here's an example of validity using the same thing with Socrates. All men are immortal.

Okay, that's the premise. All men are immortal.

Socrates was a man, therefore Socrates was immortal.

Now that's valid logically because if the statement one and two are true. then it logically follows, so therefore it's logically valid. but it's not sound. Validity does not necessitate soundness. And this is what I was pointing out to the guys: validity doesn't necessitate soundness, even in the truth table.

I said so. If you're going to say that it's logical and sound, then you have to demonstrate that the premises you're holding to are sound. Are true. And this goes back to this what I just said in the syllogism. all men are immortal, there and Socrates was a man, therefore Socrates was immortal.

It's valid logically, but it's not sound logically. In other words, it's not the case, premise one is not true, in that all men are immortal.

So it's it's even though logic means the conclusion follows from what's before it. It doesn't mean that the premises that bring that conclusion are true, therefore, you can't say the statement is true, even though it's logically valid, it's not sound.

So I went through this with them. And he wouldn't grant it. And I kept saying to him, and this is something typical, this is the point I'm trying to get to: is that I've noticed when I say to the atheist, okay, you've made a positive statement. Atheism is not incoherent. Can you demonstrate his truth value?

And he says, Yes, I did with a truth table. And he didn't by a truth table. A truth table doesn't establish validity, it looks at possible truth identities based on different constructions of premises. And so. You know, I asked him repeatedly, I said, come on.

And what I noticed was really interesting is with him and with others. Other atheists, it's all the same. They haven't changed. Is they never want. Or will allow their atheism to be cross-examined.

They only want the Christian to show why atheism cannot be true in any and all variations of atheism. This is what they do, and this is what they practice. They haven't validated anything. They just want to attack anything a Christian might offer. And this is just interesting.

It's just something I've been going through recently. And it makes me wonder, you know, how much time should I spend wasting on people like this?

Now, I don't want to say they're not made in God's image. Nothing like that are not valuable. But how much time should I spend going through arguments that I've already gone through repeatedly and they get nowhere? One of the things I've said to them is when I argue with atheists that I have to then argue every sub point they might bring up. I have to know thousands of sub-points.

I have to be able to respond to all kinds of sub-points. Because you might say an atheist is a materialist, and a materialist is someone who does hold to property dualism or does not hold to property dualism. Then you might get someone who holds to substance dualism but also affirms the supernatural and then can't ground them because it just gets really complicated. And this is why I say to them, Look, I want to talk about all atheist positions. When I'm talking to a particular atheist, I'll say, What is your position?

I'm going to tackle yours. And they don't want to do that. I just find it interesting. And I pointed out, I said, you guys are afraid of cross-examination. You only want to go force the Christian.

And others to prove their position is true while never applying the same requirement to yourselves. That's what they do. It's not a big deal, it's just observation. And I've also noticed this too: the same kind of a thing goes with. Islam.

I've noticed that Muslims are very similar in that they only want to attack. but they don't want to defend. Generally.

Now they will sometimes, and when I ask them to demonstrate that Muhammad is true, they say the Quran is the miracle.

Well the Quran's not a miracle. I said the Bhagavad Gita is bigger. The Book of Mormon is bigger. I said, sight and held the key to the scriptures. These are things that claim to be inspired of God.

And they are as equally, if not more, complex theologically and logically. than yours.

So to say, well, the Quran proves that Allah is real or that Muhammad is true is not a valid argument. It's just it's not a valid argument, okay? And I'll point this out to them. Let's see, but it d it's the um And I'm going to write something out here. Let's see, I mean can take a note because the okay the Kur of the Koran.

Okay.

So uh I always take notes, and sometimes I'll say something I like what I'm saying. I'll take notes about it, maybe work on an article. This is something I've noticed with the atheists and the the Muslim.

Now, the Muslims might occasionally try and offer some substantiation into the validity of their or their their religion. And they, like the atheists, commit the fallacy of what's called circular reasoning. Maybe we'll get to that afterwards. If you want to give me a call, it's easy. 877-2072.

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So I'm going to get to some emails. I was looking at a few of them during the break, and this was an interesting one that a person wrote and said that when he was younger, he and his mom would see a spirit walking around in her apartment. And then, when they had others come through, they said they would see the same thing. They said it was a girl who had committed suicide a year earlier before. And uh And says that when we looked at the picture of the girl who committed suicide, it looked identical to the figure of a ghost.

Now, I'm going to get a. There's more than the email, but I'm going to make a comment. Is that The Bible tells us, Jesus says in Luke 16:19 through 31, when you die, you go to the other side, you can't come back.

Now, in the witch of Endor, in 1 Samuel 28, God allowed Samuel to come back and address Saul. But And that's the only example we have of that, like that. And so, well, then we have Matthew 17 with the transfiguration. Moses and Elijah were present, and this was the glorification of Christ.

Okay, so we don't have any accounts of where people who have died, these spirits come back and walk around and do stuff.

So, what you do have was called familiar spirits. They imitate mom and dad, brothers and sisters, and various people in order to deceive people.

Now, this email goes on. It says he's also had experiences where he's left clothes out for the kids. And they vanished. And I was reading that. I still remember back when I was in late teens, I was working on my Camaro.

I had a 67SS Camaro. Oh, yeah. Dead and then drove it off a cliff, wrecked it, totaled at mid. Darn. Anyway.

Yeah.

So I remember that uh I remember this one time in particular, I put a 916 short sallow, a shallow socket wrench.

Socket on the ground, and I put it on the end so it would not roll. And it was only two feet from me, just arms length. And I was double-wrenching a socket set with a ratchet and extenders and a universal in order to get a bell housing out. I mean, a lot of you guys know what this is. It's what I was doing.

Anyway, I put this socket down. And I was able to get something in for 5/8, and I broke something loose with the double-wrenching system. And I went back to that socket, and it was gone. Just flat out gone. Nobody was there.

No birds. No nothing happened, just gone. I got looked up for for a half hour. Because I was so intrigued. It's still to this day.

Things happen. You know, they happen, okay? But just remind me of that story. But, um,.

So is it possible that that uh demonic forces imitating spirits can do that? And yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. They can imitate mom and dad, they can imitate various people. And they can, well, there's lots of stories about objects being moved and things being taken.

So it goes on and uh the friends The friends said some said it was fairies or gnomes, and I just needed to make them a snack. Yeah.

Have a peace offering. I'm like, no, you don't. That's a sacrifice to demonic forces. Don't do that. And it just opens up to more occult stuff.

And then others said to pray to Saint Anthony. Oh. To me, this is ludicrous stupidity. They pray to a dead guy about dead people. Coming back.

No, you you address God. He addressed the Lord God. Oh, man, people just don't have any common sense.

So, anyway, um, I've had some paranormal experiences too, and I know a lot of people who have. And anyway, just an interesting, I thought was an interesting. Email. Let's get to Buskman from Ohio. Buskman, welcome.

You're on the air. Hi, Matt. I feel like I'm getting a free biblical college education by calling your program, brother. Is that okay, Matt? Yeah, okay.

So what do you got? My question is, and I was asking our screener, what happened, Matt, between the last prophet, I guess that was Malachi? And then the uh four hundred year silence of God. Between Malachi and then, I guess, John the Baptist, who came onto the scene. And I read some research.

uh in one in one article that Possibly, John the Baptist was of an ancient civilization, religious civilization, called the Essenes. Had you ever heard of that theory? And if you could elaborate, Matt, on what happened between the two testaments, God was silent for 400 years. And I can take that off the air, sir. I can take that off the air.

Yeah, it's up to you. But yeah, it's just Malachi is the last book in the Old Testament. And then we have John the Baptist, and he was a member of the Jewish community. And he just went out into the wilderness because he was anointed by God for that purpose. He was the cousin of Jesus, and Jesus was not a scene, and they weren't Essenes.

So, no, it's not true. He may have, I mean, theoretically, he may have joined a group called the Essenes later, which I don't know of any biblical warrant for that because he was out in the desert.

Now, I've been to the desert in Israel and been to the location of the Dead Sea Scrolls. And uh There's lots of areas where in Israel, I'm sorry, it'd be difficult to live in. Just flat out. I mean, just think of a desert and short plants. As I remember, short plants, not long ones, like we have cactus in America, but short things.

And I remember that. Anyway, so it's just very inhospitable.

Okay, so we have a 400-year period, and there's lots of stuff that happened. For example, Alexander the Great happened during that period, the 300s. Alexander the Great. Oh, yes, that's correct.

Okay.

Yes. Go ahead, sir. And it was Cyrus the Great, and uh than uh Antiochus Epiphanies. about uh a hundred fifty, two hundred years BC.

So there's the Maccabean revolt. There's plenty of things that happened during that period that are documented. Could you describe any of those events, especially the reign of, I forgot, yeah, of Alexander the Great? Because sometimes my brain, Matt. confuses where these historical Benchmarks, if you will, took place between the Old Testament and then when Jesus.

came came onto the earth and through his yeah. Go ahead, sir. Well, Alexander the Great was just a genius at warfare, and I believe that God anointed him for the purpose of making Greek. the universal language of the Mediterranean area. That's what I believe.

Do we know if Alexander was a well, I guess he wouldn't be a Christian? Was he what was his religion? Do you just surmising, just hypothesizing that? What did what did he agree? I guess he would.

Maybe study the Greek myth gods. Yeah.

I don't know what religious system he held to, but it would have probably been the Greek pantheon. not Christian because it was three hundred years BC. Right, right, right. He wasn't Jewish.

So he went through, he conquered. And um He would go into a city, conquer the city, then take the population and transport them around to different areas of the Mediterranean area so that they would not be united by language and culture in order to rise up against him. This was a genius move by him, and it made ineffective people who were then moved to other areas a thousand miles away.

Now there's only one city he did not do this to, and that was Jerusalem. And that's because when he came into Jerusalem, the scribes, the Pharisees, the religious leaders, went out to meet him with, I believe that's the book of Daniel. And they said, You are the man spoken of here in this prophecy. And he said, And what's going to happen. And they said, What's going to happen is after you die, your kingdom will be split up to four, by four generals.

Which is exactly what happened.

So he he didn't destroy Jerusalem.

So anyway, do you know what the name of that group was, of those ancient Jews by any chance, that Saul and met Alexander? No, just a bunch of Jews, just some Jews who knew the Old Testament.

Okay.

So there's lots of information out there what happens during the intertest. It's called the intertestamental period. Also, the Jews translated the Septuagint, the Greek, excuse me, the Hebrew, into the Greek Septuagint. around two hundred fifty two hundred two hundred fifty B C. by seventy scholars.

There's also uh the Roman conquest of Pompeii occurred around that time. And I've been to Pompeii too. I'm really glad as I've had Pompeii saw that.

So there's lots of stuff that happened, okay, that we know about, all right? Awesome.

Okay.

That's what I need to know because I know I've It's like if God was the same yesterday, today, and forever, well, actually, it says Jesus in Hebrews 13, 8. I'm wondering, well, what was God's plan? With the world populations.

Okay, hold on, hold on. People often will quote Hebrews 13:8 or Malachi 3:6, God's unchanging, but yet he'll do things differently. But God's not changing, he doesn't change. Why is he doing things differently? When it says he doesn't change, it's referring to his nature.

It doesn't mean he doesn't deal with different people differently at different times.

So it's a mis uh application of that verse. Yeah, feel free to elaborate on that. That's interesting, yeah, if you wouldn't mind. Yeah, so that's just what it is. When it says he doesn't change, it's referring to his nature.

But how he refers and works with people at different times changes. But this means he's changing. He has different purposes at different times, okay? Fantastic. Always great talking to you, Matt Swick, and I appreciate your ministry as always, brother.

Hey, thanks a lot, brother. God bless you, sir. Oh, we got another break. We'll be right back after these messages.

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If you want to give me a call, it's easy. We have three open lines. The number is 8772-07-2276. I got to Jonathan from South Carolina. Jonathan, you're on the air.

Hey, Matt. Appreciate the show. Got a quick question about Jepsa's daughter. Um from judges. I'm sure you're familiar with it, but just had a question as far as like I know he basically won a battle, and then he promises to God whatever he sees come out of his house first.

He's going to sacrifice to God, and it happens to be his daughter. And then he. with her friends, and then he proceeds and fulfills his promise. Um How is that not considered murder? It is.

God never approved of it. God never said to do it. God never provided any such recourse for him to do that. He made a vow. He carried out his vow.

It's recorded what he did. What he did was wrong. And it's just recorded. The Bible often records what people do that's wrong as well as right. And that was obviously wrong.

He should never have made such a vow, he should never have said what he did.

Now then we get into the issue of, well, he was obligated. We can talk about the ethics of obligation, and we're going to it'll be an interesting discussion. You made a vow to God, is he obligated to keep it? Either way, he's going to sin. By murder or just breaking his word before God.

And I would have thought, you know, he'd have said, Lord, I spoke rashly. And I cannot do this, and please forgive me. And God may have punished him for his irrationale, his rash judgment, but it would have been better than killing his own daughter. And the Bible never subscri prescribes for people to do that.

Okay.

Yeah.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I just feel like the whole thing is very comparable to Abraham. You know, being told to almost sacrifice his own son, except that God never told. Jetsa to actually do that. But then it's just I'm kind of thinking in my mind Where Where's the lamb? You know, and it why did it never come?

But I know one is one is the story of foolishness of the promise Um But it's just hard trying to explain stories like that to my own sons.

So looking for some guidance on how to present that. Sure. In Judges 11, Jephthah made his own request. God didn't tell him to do anything. He's the one who was foolish.

God didn't instruct him to. Never in the text does it say God approved of it in any way or ordered it. What God did with, you're making noises in the background there, man, a lot of clanking and stuff. What God did with Isaac and Jacob, I mean, Abraham and Isaac, is completely different. Because when He said go offer your son, that's now a command from God directly.

Now if God wants someone to execute somebody else, God has the right because all people are condemned under sin, and He has the right to execute them.

Now he doesn't, and that's his mercy. But one of the things that Abraham knew. was that God had already promised him that the descendants would be through Isaac.

So he knew God had made the promise and knew that God could not break his promise. It can't happen.

So he didn't know what was going on, but he was moving by faith, saying, I don't know how it's going to happen, because I think the writer of Hebrews or Hebrews 11 says, You know, believing that he would rise him from the dead. That if he did execute him, kill him, his own son, that God would have to raise him because God made the promise that the disciples, I mean, the descendants would come out, the Messiah through Isaac.

So he had the confidence to know that no matter what the outcome was. Abra I mean, Isaac was going to be alive one way or another. Because that's logically necessary from what we understand. At the last moment, you know, don't do it, et cetera.

Now I know it, and it goes on.

So there's a big difference between those, okay? I don't think I've ever heard that take of raising Isaac back from the dead, but I Very interesting. Oh yeah, in fact uh let me show you. It's in uh let's see. Uh Isaac Um Where is that?

I'll get to it. I can find it. But it says: By faith, Abraham, when he was called, obeyed, going out to a place which he was received for an inheritance, without not knowing where he was going. By faith, he lived in an alien land. And with Isaac, he was looking for the city.

Uh where is it? It's here, but uh anyway. Uh and all these they died in faith. Where is that verse? Here it is.

By faith, Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he would receive the promises was offered up his only son. It was to him, and Isaac your descendants shall be called, he considered that God was able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type.

Okay, so that's uh Hebrews 11, 18.

Okay.

Alright. And also, I don't know if you know this, but are you familiar with the typology of Abraham and Isaac being a representation of the. The Father and the Son, and Jesus, the Father and Jesus. Are you familiar with that? Yeah, yeah, I've definitely heard that whatever you just said, but I've never heard that phrase, that terminology before.

The typology. Yeah, that Yeah, three days for Abraham and Isaac to get to the grave, to the place of sacrifice. Jesus was in the grave three days, you know, things like that. Yeah.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Well go ahead. Nope. It makes more sense. But I appreciate you giving some clarity on that. That's definitely helpful.

All right, well, God bless. All right. All right. Thanks, sir.

Okay.

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All right. If you want to give me a call, folks, we have nobody waiting. 8772-072276. Isn't that an interesting story, though, about Abraham and Isaac? I'm going to go over a little bit of it.

I think it's worth just going over. I'm going to find my articles. I've got a lot of it. I did a lot of research on it on Abraham and Isaac, and I found some interesting stuff out about it.

So let's see: Abraham, Isaac, Typology. Let's see if I can find the article. And um Where is it? Maybe it's just another word typology. I have written so much, you know, I've just written so much.

Uh Uh Oh man, I can't even find it now. But now it makes me wonder. We mean with the new site over. Let's see, Genesis 22. Oh, if I can't find it, I'll just tell you what it is anyway.

So, um,. What we see in it's interesting. We see that uh God said to Abraham, Go take your only begotten son, Isaac, go up on the hill. Go offer him to a place of sacrifice.

Well, he called Isaac his only begotten son, except at 13 years earlier. Thirteen years earlier he had had Ishmael. But God says, Take your only begotten son, Isaac.

So This is the word only begotten, it has to do with the word with being unique, being special. Take him, your only begotten, in this sense of who he is and what he is before the purpose of the plan of God.

So they took a three-day journey. To the place of sacrifice. And there was a servant that went along with them.

So there's three that went: Abraham, Isaac, and the servant, and there's others that accompanied, but three are mentioned in the specific sense. And so the father and the son went up the hill, and the son carried wood on his back up the hill. Isaac carried wood on his back, just as Jesus carried wood up to the place of sacrifice.

Now, some scholars, I've heard, think it was the exact same location that Isaac was offered on, that Jesus was offered on. And I don't know about the proof of that, but there seems to be some historical evidence supporting that. All right, so they went up the hill, and Abraham says to the servant before he goes up, he says, The lad and I, or the boy and I, we will return to you.

So he knew one way or another that they're going to return. This is what he believed.

So Isaac was probably not a boy. He's probably a grown man, but that's another topic. And got on the altar to be able to be sacrificed. And Isaac said, Where's the sacrifice? And he said, Abraham said, The Lord will provide for himself the sacrifice.

and Jesus is the the provision of God for himself the sacrifice.

So it's really interesting there. And then they caught a ram caught in a thicket of thorns. Jesus bore a crown of thorns. And the ram was the sin offering, and that was the place where the bloodshed occurred. And then it says, what's really interesting in the text of Genesis 22 and 23, it says that Abraham went down.

It does not say the son went down, it does not say Isaac went down. It just says, and Abraham went down. And that linguistic omission of the Son, typologically, probably refers to the idea that Jesus did not come down from the cross in that same kind of a of a of a cent. He was in the spiritual realm. And so I think that that's really a strong parallel.

Then they went down to a well. They will. That well is where the bride was found at that well, which is the same well of John 4 with the woman who was at the woman of the well, which Jesus was there. And by the way, I've drank out of that very well. I've actually had water out of that well.

It's really awesome. And so. At well, where she had five husbands, and refers to five times and some other issues of history with the Samaritans and the Jews. We'll get into that. And so.

The uh the bride They found the bride. Eleazar the helper went and found the bride for Isaac the son. and she was giving water she watered the camels, and there were ten camels. gifts.

Now what I did is I looked at And I found that in the New Testament there are different gifts given. There's charismatic gifts and non-charismatic gifts given in the church. Non-charismatic or stuff like administrations and helps and things like this. And so basically, they are worked not by the extraordinary power of the Holy Spirit, but we have other gifts. In 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12, where it talks about the charismatic gifts, the charismata.

The Greek charismata, the charismatic gifts, like speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, prophecies, word of wisdom, word of knowledge, things like this, healings. There's nine of them.

Now, what was interesting is that the camels that were given were ten in number. Ten gifts were given to the bride. The bride represents a church. Isaac represents Christ. 10 gifts were given to the bride, 10 gifts given to the church.

When I went through the. The scriptures in the New Testament talk about the gifts, I discovered fifteen. And I discovered that six of them were Non-charismatic, like I said, administrations, helps, service, etc. But the others, I found nine that were charismatic gifts, and I couldn't figure it was a tenth one. I went through the text and looked.

I go, it's got to be here someplace. I couldn't find it in Romans 14 or Romans 12. And one day I was reading through the text.

some other place doing another study and uh Romans 623 The wages of sin is death, but the free gift, the free charismata. The free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. And I went, bingo. That's where the tenth gift is. The charismatic gift of eternal life.

It's empowered and worked by the Holy Spirit Himself.

So, the consistency of the Old Testament typology in the New Testament, Jesus even said in John 8:56, Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad. He saw the day of the crucifixion, the sacrifice of Christ. That's what I believe he's referring to. in the typological representation of his own son. and what was going on.

I think Abraham knew what was going on. I think God gave him a lot of knowledge and insight. And the ten gifts and the ten camels to the bride, the ten charismatic gifts given to the church, I believe they're all for today and that we as a Christian nation Not United States, a Christian nation, as the people of God. The people of God, the Christian nation. We live in a foreign world, we have access to those gifts, but we are immature.

Because we're not practicing what God has given us to practice by the exertion of. the use of them in the world to convert the world. I believe God's equipped us to give and accomplish what He's called us to do. make disciples of all the nations. There's the music.

I'm out of here. May the Lord bless you by His grace. Be back on here tomorrow. And Lord willing.

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