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Why Brady “Phanatic” Goodwin Renounced His Faith

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January 25, 2022 4:50 pm

Why Brady “Phanatic” Goodwin Renounced His Faith

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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network so what we say about another respected Christian leader who is now renounced his faith. Time for the light a fire with your host biblical scholar and cultural commentator Dr. Michael Brown your voice for more Centerview and spiritual clarity called 866-34-TRUTH to get on the line of fire and now there's your host Dr. Michael Brown friends.

This is Michael Brown. We are going to talk about yet another respected Christian leader who has renounced his face on the talk about how we respond to these things, how they affect us how we can most be constructive at a time like this. Talk about Brady Goodman known as fanatic so and if you were blessed by his ministry. In years past is that renounced his faith we talk about that if you personally enjoyed his ministry in the past I was unfamiliar with him until now but if you enjoyed his ministry in the past. I look to hear from you and hear how it impacts you hear that he no longer believes what he professed and preached for 30 years, 866-34-TRUTH 86634878844 we get to that. There's an urgent matter that I want to discuss was is not that many weeks back a few months back I had Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Junior on the air with me. His dad was a pioneer in helping men with unwanted same-sex attractions through counseling through insights into their own life development, and then Dr. Mickelson Junior has carried on with that work and was only here to talk about some amazing insights that that he and his team have developed justice as they've applied aspects of trauma counseling general trauma counseling people with them. One same-sex attractions and see real fruit and lives being changed and we spoken openly about the attack on so-called conversion therapy. That's the way the critics painted but there's a band now in Canada anyone of any age was unwanted same-sex attraction and wants to get professional help is banned by doing so under the law.

We linked to Dr. because these videos we talked about the important work he was doing and now he himself has suffered the hand of the sensor. He has had his own videos band hate document closely.

Thanks for joining us again on the line of fire. So tell us what's actually happened has YouTube actually removed your videos and all of them a lot so you're right we were talking about about the Journal of human quality of five your study of 75 participant men and we found that independent researchers found that by doing trauma treatment interacting with individual sexuality than those specifically significant decreases in sexual thoughts, feelings, behavior and identity and increases their thoughts on behavior and identity and increases well-being. So we put out videos talking about the study did a series of video talking about the research I was plenty of published peer-reviewed studies with her being shielded from the public.

They do show that and then YouTube in the dead of night on Friday night uphold the plug in the entire channel and I got a single notification from them saying that the entire channel is guilty of so-called hate speech and the every single thing that we had posted would automatically be bound in what happens when you try to peel. II wrote them that look for 501(c)(3) nonprofit every single study that we mentioned it evidence-based published in a peer-reviewed journal.

We use these exacting trauma cleavage for heterosexual example of the pornography addiction of and that there was no response from them just like shutdown of the channel and no references of the study existed scrub the record of all the fine material showing information on first happen.

I was shocked. I was at first be a mistake. It must be good having other people must be a misunderstanding by roots and that that one single appeal that they gave me in and they shut it down without without any further discussion.

That's one of the reality started that got just totally absolute and how it felt was shocking.

But then, what really came up for me was with the this is a need that thereafter there shutting down speech and I'm not the real victims are the real victim is the client that the people who were sexually abused for the people who want to go on the Internet and find out the different treatment option other than the pop-culture dose of LGBT. They want to hear other, and ultimately those people who are having their choices brought from your Christian sinking man, you are not looking for some secret bogeyman everywhere trying to attack us, but this is a literal fundamental attack on some of the most fundamental principle.

YouTube is supposed to be a neutral platform and it's one saying if I was telling people how to make a bomb and giving out private addresses to bomb someone's house. Of course that should be banned, but there is even under YouTube guidelines didn't violate anything, there's nothing I could be called hate speech. So what, what's the larger ideological battle driving.

This will what are we actually fighting against your hitting the nail on the head. There is a big part of which is on the platform provoked many scientifically incorrect videos about gender issues. You can go on there right now across the but by silencing scientific evidence that they don't like what they are doing it. They are effectively shaping the public conversation about the science of sexuality and gender in at about gender and ultimately in the name of anti-bullying and stopping medical misinformation for Themselves to have now become the real book and in doing the thing that's really the very people that they either are trying to protect individual struggle with, and their sexuality yet again knowing how you present things he presented things on the air. I'm enough to watch the videos to know this. There is anything that under any reasonable standard could be called hate speech in any get your your speaking is a professional and reviewing studies and in looking at the help. The help that they are bringing to the people were not so much kidnapping a 16-year-old teenager who identifies as lesbian is forcing her to some camp to be reprogrammed, God forbid, so the ideological battles real I mentioned earlier yesterday that in 2004. This is when I first realize that LGBT activism was the principal threat, not would-be but was a ready the principal threat to freedom of religion, speech and conscience and were seeing it now played out in all these different ways.

So what is the biggest threat to the idea that someone who identifies as homosexual can change. Why is that concepts are terribly threatening that scientific evidence undergirds is a threat because we are telling people particular children that they are but they have a certain quality LGBT. They were born that way will always be that way, and their only choice elevated or live a life of misery and self-denial and when somebody else present 1/3 option that is a major threat to the prevailing narrative and what about the idea that gay rights and civil rights that gays new black or trans is the new black that these things are innate and immutable born this way. I can't change, so if that gets challenged.

This is a challenge this whole idea of gay is the new black park that challenges the foundations of our LGBT rights are automatically civil rights automatically transpose civil right victories of onto the struggle they and realize the effect started not really and portably eligible population, have an impact on quality that is a big yeah right. First give out your website to those that they do want to find out more about what you do and and the things that you're talking about here on the website is re-integrative therapy.com integrative therapy.I am looking for. Look at others. Many sexuality and change.

For many people, and that actually very robust literature is re-integrative therapy.com and we been able to get the videos up on another platinum much more fun, but people can watch the videos band and the fight for themselves whether or not the so-called right question. What happened to your late father and his books tragicomic bunny rabbit a roughly 2 years ago someone created a get all of my father's band from him and and LGBT active board and the got a lot of time and not in the band all of my father's and in an interview about a month later. Eight gave paper. The interview started a petition first, but will talk about how to get started. But what about the book. Not like in the guy admitted he never even read the book offended by the title that would yet again.

That was a pioneer and highly respected in the field and known for the work that he had done.

And yet perhaps this really wild dads books good ban on Amazon, YouTube bands your channel it's it's really extraordinary. Some friends go to re-integrative therapy.com.

Find out more about this research about people how people can be helped spread the word and and because all of my videos do get checked on YouTube to Everest watching the sun on YouTube. You need to reconsider the ban.

There is no hate speech here whatsoever. All this is is the kind of heavy-handed censorship that really all of us on all sides the floor so Dr. Nicolosi, we can't silence the truth we keep getting the message out that was standing with you and will do whatever we can to help promote your work. Thanks so much for joining us.

You are very welcome 86634 we come back I'm gonna play some clips for you from the video that was put out over a few days back by a well-known Christian hip-hop artist who was also doing apologetics defending the faith gone to seminary and while in seminary more and more questions came up, and ultimately he has publicly renounce his faith, that we were scheduled to interact privately and and he's very open to interacting private so I am not here to attack criticize is constructive and helpful as possible. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown drawing his friend how we respond yet another respected Christian leader renounces his faith. If you were personally blessed by cross movement and the music and lyrics and message of Brady Goodman known as fanatic personally blessed by his ministry now heard the report that he has that cities were now safely denounced his faith in his words. Give me a call let you know how that news impacted you, 866-348-7884 but be clear. The purpose of discussing this publicly is not to attack Brady.

It is not to criticize him is not to speculate what might have been going on in his life. Okay you if you have questions, pray to God about those things and pray for him right. I certainly pray for him because I'm sure he's wrong. He may be sure I'm wrong right now but I'm sure he's wrong and a burden for him. I was told is familiar with his ministry at work. It does mean he wasn't touching a lot of people just is a big church and a lot of stuff out there so many of us are completely unfamiliar with one another, so I know anything about him.

This began to read reports that things are red spoke very highly of him and he was respected and loved to see serious enough not just go to Bible college Lancaster Bible college, but seminary as well and so I take some of the work with when they tell their story right first thing I do is take them at their word. Now everybody has different perspectives and sometimes a perspective shift over the years right guy tells his wife after 30 years of marriage I never loved you while he's vulnerable somebody else is now projecting his current feelings back on 30 years right but I don't come in with a skeptical judgmental attitude someone shares their story.

I I take them at face value. Okay, so he said he started seminary, full of faith and the more he studied, the more questions came up and he finally had drugs. He didn't believe what he wants. Believe now if you're active in Christian ministry, and do all these kinds of things. That means you live with a certain amount of pain over the years. That hurts me that that's that's real to me.

In other words, a hug and a buzzer turned her back and didn't really get angry with them will make your angry because you're hurt. Don't take that anger out on some of that that which we pray for and loving and listening to in the sense of bliss interact. Let's let's it if if a lot of serious intellectual sayings are the things that are troubling you should have plenty of people he can interact with.

But what's his recognition is great. Let's do it and really interact with issues so I again I want to be very clear purpose of this broadcast is not to throw stones and not to judge right.

I want to play a few clips from the video that he put up and I want to look at the Scripture that's commonly raise and tell you why I do not immediately go to this verse right again this is a video of what 25, 30 minutes long. They posted on Facebook.

Here's the first clip. It's been a crazy journey for me over the last couple years also have the child like a little. Hence the cottages advertise Lisa let people know I'm not well once know I used to be anything that I didn't know where I was. I knew I wasn't totally where I used to be just as all sunlight on some awesome social matters political matter, not even theological.

Just don't see things the way some my Christian community do a lot of books in the Christian community of others who work in the Christian community who I didn't see with you even when I was wrestling with the theology so nothing really making is because I know the word is, going out to some some people who were part of the church that was a last for five years. I recently sent a letter to the church withdrawing my membership in the church. It was a heavy heavy letter because as I said in the letter. I was not just withdrawing my membership from this local body sexy to the universal church so you know what I really can't remember what I used to amen I I taking his word that he wrestled with things for years difference with doubts your wrist with questions you you ever struggled with what I thought.

This is true, but I'm not sure it's it's painful it's agonizing and when your whole life identity is being a follower of Jesus and being a minister of the gospel. Everything get shaken. So I hear this and I feel compassion. No, not because I'm sitting here safe and secure in my faith in this terrible person is now wasting away know he probably does have a few free now I can feel it is something new in front of the missing that demeaning way. I'm just saying this because I love Jesus and and I love the body and and I respect that people can go through struggles and doubts you note in June. It says, have mercy on those who doubt right so there's there's a doubt that sinful will be know the Lord and and and we are double minded and and we don't put our trust in him we have every reason to. There's another doubt your paint your wrestling image. Mark nine the father of the boy having seizures, but is what I believe, help my unbelief the different kinds of of doubt.

So first thing when I hear this is I feel compassion okay let's get into a little bit more of why he normally believes what he used to believe clip number two I'm doing all the trusted sources of people who are bona fide are a born again believer some reading them first as other people.

Luckily, more liberal sources that I could start reading and I'm never going to take the safe people first reading the same folks, and even the safe ultimately say, there's a reason why people have been rethinking these issues and end up in the bedrock of the less safe people. The liberal theologians that always been more to go that way, but eventually it got to the point with a liberal beans were the ones bringing the most comfort because they were the one most honest about the issues and say I got to the progressive canola.

I can no longer, in good conscience, amen preach what I preach. Believe what I believe so here's the question, isn't it integrity.

To be honest, even if your honesty and point you in a direction away from God. In other words, being honest before God has great value would God rather that I publicly get up every day preach Jesus and preach the Bible when I no longer believe with with you rather I do that or rather that I openly say I'm struggling. I don't believe this anymore. Not now again I am grieved at as Esther Brady's conclusions right now and I really look forward to getting to know him and hearing more about his his journey and if I can provide helpful interaction wonderful, but I'm not going in there is the answer man to fix everything I but I just want to emphasize that honesty and integrity are really important. God's sight. In fact, you know many of you know, turn the book of Job and Job worships God in the midst of all kinds of hardship and losing everything continues to worship God to matter what the Lord gave the Lord took away me the name of the Lord, we pray. Should we receive only good for the Lord and not bad in all this he doesn't sin with his lips. He then begins to grieve and wish you were dead and he was never born and his friends begin to lovingly reach out and say hey joke come on you been strong guy what you doing Outlook.

Obviously there was some issue in your life and God because disciplining you in the gold visits cannot even stronger, so he pushes back it will essay quite like this but can't. Don't tell me because there's some little issue my life got killed by 10 kids come on so he pushes back as the dialogue ensues. The more they hear Joe push back the more scandalized they are inside your with your kids die because your wicked and and Joe push back in the will and God's monster and I will I will have my day in court with God. I want to argue it out with God because I know I don't deserve this.

I'm suffer the punishment of the wicked to service now the friends wrongly judged Job and and God rebukes them at the end of the book, Job wrongly judged God and God rebukes infinitely Job you don't know anything you know anything.

You have no idea about my goodness as well as my Majesty and power and wisdom. But God also rebukes the friends inspect. He specifically rebukes them for not speaking rightly about God as Job did what Job called got a moral monster.

Job also said I know my Redeemer lives.

Job also said I I know that there's justice in God's universe, and I'm going to be vindicated.

So on the one hand, God's really rebukes Job speaking out of turn and God and Job deeply humbles himself this is not I recant nothing and then Job commends him and says three times because of my servant, and twice as he spoke rightly about me how because Job knew this couldn't be right. Because Job knew the God he worshiped in love all those years with undo those terrible things to him. It was actually Satan, who was involved with it and he knew and professed that ultimately because God was a God of justice.

He would have to be vindicated.

God himself commends him and commends them for his integrity.

So even though I believe where Grady is at and categorically different with visions of a trust within this Scripture. I appreciate his honesty. The line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get on the line of fire by calling 866-34-TRUTH here again is Dr. Michael Brown welcome welcome, as Michael Brown delighted to be with you on the last few years.

I can think of Christian rock singer was renounced his faith seminary professor whose renounced his faith of a woman pastor whose renounced his faith in thinkable worship leader, was publicly questioned his faith or we end the final falling away final apostasy.

Jesus speaks of in in Matthew 24 and Paul speaks of in second Thessalonians 2 perhaps if so, this is rarely the tip of the iceberg. But Jesus did say because iniquity will abound, the love of many will wax cold. So many of these cases it's not so much iniquity abounding as much as questions, issues of the things arising sometimes you about someone's lost their faith or announce their faith and and then as the months and years go on.

There will come out say is as publicly gay or the come out as as publicly holding to something very else and are very different terms of moral standards. Also, they were wrestling with this for years and that's that's part of what fueled the fire others it's it's it could just be praying and believing for the killing of child and child died or it could be burned in church over and again it's like where's Christianity or could be questions and doubts about the Bible. Had Dr. Josh Bowen on all last year, a very moving interview.

It is, it was just in tears about the loss of his baby son some years back, and how he wishes he could know is going to see him in the world to come, but he doesn't have faith anymore. Would love to have faith again and it was in his case after Bible college and seminary strong in faith.

He went on to grad school, secular grad school of doctoral work. It was completely new to be in this environment of virtual unbelief about the Scriptures and and he lost his faith, so there many situations like that. If you haven't read my book has God failed you. Finding faith when you're not even sure God is real. I think you'll find it really helpful came out last May has God failed you.

Finding faith when you're not even sure God is real, you'll find it dealing with experiences questions about wrong theology. Questions about social issues in the Bible. Questions about unanswered prayer, so check it out.

Has God failed you. 866-34-TRUTH specifically and only talk about people leaving the faith, losing their faith and an even more specifically, if you have been blessed by the ministry of Grady Goodman known as fanatic and heard his announcement that he no longer believes what he used to believe to have an impact record criticize him okay but I like that is impacted you 866-34-TRUTH what when I hear about a leader who no longer believes the first thing it immediately as my heart goes out to that person again. They may not want my sympathy or compassion but I'm saying immediately, even if I have no idea who the person is Sam so sad. It's it said this just like it's wonderful, glorious and so particular line like a lot of validation yet as I understand it, and absolutely is no need to understand it rightly.

It's not saying if you send your saved and you think I'm getting drunk I just depressed now.

You lose your skull lose your salvation. Know this is not saying that memories talking to two Jews there in context. Jewish believers and they are being told to deny Jesus to walk away from their faith and he's saying if if you are going to go on in sin willfully. If you reject him and go on sin willfully.

The temple sacrifices and I can avail going back and practicing the day of atonement that there's no sacrifice resend that make you reject so your willful sin is rejecting the Messiah now living your life however you want to live it and says when you've done that of as you keep reading that that you've trampled underfoot the son of God, so it is someone who makes a go little choice out on the system will send them goodwill verse that that is commonly cited when you hear someone left the faith want to look at that and then I want to tell you about how we should respond some constructive thoughts to build strength and encourage her own faith in our own will hear Celeste Clifford Brady I got what I think I get it now I think I understand well hold the Bible in my hand I think I understand what I'm holding think is now better than I ever have and I don't believe, but I understand actually still love the gospel still love the way that the message has been massage and presented to us with the descriptors present himself to various authors I get it.

I still believe so again being candid and obviously 50 years in the Lord.

I believe things as deeply as ever, have, and my heart my mind my soul oral and harmony there is and I don't have to turn off my mind to follow the Lord's mine heart, soul, all in one now why exactly Brady came to these conclusions. He's explained some things. Hopefully as we get to interact and that's that's very positive to me his willingness to try unloading positive like I'm getting convinced him mean positive that is not shutting people out secure cortisol and track that's that's very positive and that to me is as part of an honest search before God, I'm always open to interact with people that differ with me and and I'm honestly confident there's nothing they could say to present this to shake my faith. But if there is a good question. Then I lose a good answer after but many people immediately go to first John 219 and first John 219 says says this is a well-known verse in first John so-and-so no longer believes many people go here and John writes they went out from us, but they were not of us.

For if they had been of us, they would've continued with us, but they went out that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

So there were people who were part of these different house churches. Part of of these groups that John was was writing to and they used to be part of the congregations and then they left. They held to certain beliefs that were not biblical, Orthodox, true, and ultimately they left, and John says that proves they were never really among us. If they had never really if they really been among us.

There would state so from that people of deduced understand you can read the text in this way from that people of deduced that if anyone leaves the faith they were never truly in the faith. If they were truly in the faith that they would continue to believe that's 1 Possible Way to read but since the entire New Testament gives warnings in harmony with the Old Testament that someone can leave the faith that someone can be a believer and turn away and I can go through all the warnings about that and debate quote once saved always saved, and that many many times you go to website S. Dr. Brown.org and look at shows. We discussed that issue respectfully with others, but I do believe that we are absolutely 100% secure in Jesus is promised to keep us and that no one can plug us out of his father sent also believe he doesn't force us to stay in his house and that it is possible to turn away from the Lord that which you could be genuinely born again, know the Lord indwelt by the Spirit and turn away in the longer follow. Now since I see all these other verses in the New Testament, saying that I'm gonna interpret first John two in the midst of that and say here.

There are some who were really among us. Okay it's it's just like your input on very very basic natural level. Your your your your football fan and and you are you ready for your team for years and years, even when they had terrible losing records and were just in the basement of the student badly and and and and then some happens a fire favorite coach Larry follow him again and services that you were never there for, if you're really a fan you would just follow them when they have a coach that you like, or something you follow them through second in sin.

Okay, so there are people who seems to be among us. Every church, every group has it right. They they seem to be among us for a while but then they all left.

It was clear they were never really among if they were really part of us.

They would state it's not saying it's impossible for something something. This is the case with anyone who ever leaves some out group of people that were known in their midst. That left and set opposite in the really among us or that or the state MEP if you're really digging them you to give us a call. We had always had questions earlier there was challenging Oreo the never really agree with ER.

They were always rebellious some sagacity. They were never really among us. But again the New Testament is filled with warnings about the real danger and possibility of someone willfully renounce different links again.

I I am 100% secure in the Lord. I never for a split second worry about backsliding rebut losing a summation for split second it doesn't dawn on at the same time. I know that God will not force me to follow him.

And if I willfully turn away willfully choose sin willfully choose unbelief to force me to stay now. Here's what troubles me when people immediately raise this verse.

All this guys that really saved was Brady because I was never really saved would still be safe. You understand what you're doing when you say that I could trust, maybe you really say maybe six months from now you'll end up renounce your faith and I'll prove that you never sent it it it undermines and undercuts the promises that we have it. It undermines and undercuts our ability to look at others as brothers and said, well, maybe you're not really sure. Maybe you're not really say maybe in a year you will come out as an unbeliever, so don't just go there sometimes it's it's because we're insecure and all faith where insecure in our own walk and therefore we gotta put these barriers were also wrong with them. I take I keep one called this brother but he would use it. He's a fellow human right brother of the human race. But right now, not a professing brother in the faith you symbol.

He's really say till come back well if you're Calvinist, and that your theology when I respect that perseverance of the saints. Then you can be confident if he's truly saved. He'll be back. My view is. He may have really been on fire. Believer, he may really love Jesus I don't know Lewis history Lopez Boykin testimonial about his walk with the Lord on the leasing gotta do experience of years, but my sociological wealth in Christian serving God trying to reach others with all sincerity is now available come back from to return for God to seek him out and bring to light a fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get on the line of fire by calling 86634 true here again is Dr. Michael Brown.

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Okay, so interacting a little bit more with Brady fanatic wins video where he talks about reading reliable sources rights in which you're struggling reading the Bible and some slick happy truth is these contradictions in the Gospels, only the contradictions of the resurrection accounts or how did how did God call these rights kill the Canaanites, or I get on the Bible since it it's it's hateful against other P it's misogynistic or whatever seizure these things or contradicts science and so on. So you're a believer really go will you go to books by other believers or you talk to. Maybe your pastor's educated nests or get some apologetics what's in it.

You go to people you think will help you write and and what happens when you're reading their answers and their interest. Don't convince you that the more you read, the more you question that's replace it happen with him so well, let's see what the others say the liberals who don't accept the authority of Scripture, and I believe this is one way to God through Jesus and believe there are many different authors who may have contradicted each other in all okay lumbering what they say. That makes sense will that's another Brady. Here's here's where I'm looking to challenge his own walk is on life is unexpressed because I don't know that is not for me to say is us. If you begin to broadcast them on the here to criticize but I I had the exact opposite experience.

So I get gloriously wonderfully born-again and 71 heroin shooting LSTs and proud of it and drums in a rock band to be a rock star the lab the last thing Nono.

It was even on the list of things but the last thing beyond the last thing that I want to do was stop doing drugs I was enjoying getting hot. Stop that the whole pursuit to be a rock star is are going to church when a holy life was a 16-year-old rebel center. One of the folded lusts and desires of the flash and I believe the God existed in the role of my life. Jesus meant nothing to me as a Jew but but God really got hold of me when I did mine believe deeply convicted me of my sin is people pray for them though their prey Fresno conviction was and then revealed his loved when I was gloriously wonderfully again. I cannot describe in human words except to quote Peter he says inexpressible and glorious joy in the King James joy unspeakable and full of glory. When his love is revealed to me through this overwhelming supernatural joy of the Lord different than anything I've ever experienced. And I knew his love is real at that moment. Some of never putting the alarm again instantly set free, instantly set for my life dramatically transform. Not long after that I had hives before I was a believer and it's just you know it's his condition is like blotches pop up will rescan and the itch terribly and I got off my back and legs are.

It was torture and you went to the dock with my parents and was put on meds and was told since a 24 hours for this and takes effect in skeptic days for Kelly takes effect and then will be gone.

So when everything disappeared.

I stopped taking the meds I was on my way to school. At this point a believer decided say right this time and suddenly the hives. I was winter and Esther from scratch your mama like all know and I wrote was sleep. I think all gosh I have a pill him even if I do this me 24 hours have effect, but the time I get to the school a few minutes later the blotches are all over my arms and and and I'm on now in a panic as I thought it just terrible.

There's another guy a new believer to come into the room I was I was when the first ones in their message just agree with me in prayer for healing and the next thing the room filled maybe a minute went by maybe two Max, this is just business and think about everybody else in what what happened, not just the itch stop, but every blotch on some ugly lords why they all disappeared.

Those are real things that you can't just dismiss but my dad said Michael it's great rough drugs, rough drugs, but were Jews will believe this needs talk to look around here. I am 16 years old barely read the Bible little Hebrew that I learned from my bar mitzvah. Do remember that I'm sitting down talking to a brilliant guy fresh at the Jewish theological seminary is sometimes a professor there and he's immediately challenging. This is instantly administered college at 18 and one of the first classes I take is an ancient history class with a guy got his PhD in Syria.

Knowledge of things, from Brooklyn College. We was in the Samuel Paley brilliant guy and totally demolishing the Bible and in all these different accounts and how to contradicted Mrs. Fawcett where I had nowhere to go. I did not know a Christian scholar.

I did not know a messianic Jewish apologist. I did not know a born-again theologian, I just knew the people in my little church and it was not a church that emphasized study.

In fact, it sometimes quote for Max.

Fourth 13 that the apostles were ignorant and the learned men of good there for them is good enough for us and sometimes with a smile, but cemetery seminary that's was the concept so I I really struggled. But not only that the bigger struggle was that this rabbi brought me to other rabbis and then other rabbis and other rabbis and knee. Some of these guys steadily. 1214 hrs. 16 hours a day. Pray for hours and very different. How and in their try to explain how important King James is a memorize at this point. As the years went on hundred thousands versus misquote verses to them all. This translation is a terrible.

Look at the Hebrew, there is likewise like a little baby this letter. This letter so I determined I have to follow the truth wherever it leads.

And I knew at that point I knew that being a Jew in God's sight meant something and that there was something that he required of the Jewish people, and God was real. The required some of the Jewish people and I and I earnestly said God God, I must follow you and your truth and be a loyal Jew, whatever that means.

If that means losing every friend in his church and having to tell everybody up and running so I can Brady's case, we was well known to be doing this for decades.

There was just somebody in a local church preaching and Nono circles but still is difficult to say I'm wrong, I'm announcing us on the other hand, of what I believe about Jesus the Messiah is true, then then I will give the whole Jewish world rejects me of the folly and and in that moment, which was part of years and decades of asking the difficult questions and in facing up to the difficult issues and sometimes not finding anywhere to go except God and his word that at that moment, I say a 53 jumped off the pages of Scripture to be just Bible open to that, and it was another reminder to me of the truth of messianic prophecy of how the word laid out in advance, the death and resurrection of Messiah on our behalf, though, is this one of many many things over the years, but just a 1% below present. I am all for pursuing truth wherever it leads to crickets, 13 aces we can do nothing against the truth only for the truth. I believe that's true. I'm not afraid to ask the difficult questions.

We welcome them for years. Her ministries asked Dr. Brown. We've we've asked critics we vest people who differ with us to call for it for years when I'm invited on the college campus to discuss Palestinian Israeli issues to discuss LGBT issues to discuss messianic prophecy to discuss whatever I always say can you find someone to debate me because I want everyone to hear both sides presented as clearly as possible so that they can really study and think and pray and researching come to conclusions. Generally they can't find someone willing to debate me, then I say okay can we have a open mic Q&A afterwards so people can raise their questions and interest in and and issues. I welcome that my friends and Christian ministry in apologetics welcome that effect.

They love those opportunities for people asked her questions but but here's what I want to sum up for you right. I know that I know the Jesus radically changed my life. No one can take that for me. I know that I know of these last 50 years that I've seen the hand of the Lord move in supernatural ways that cannot possibly be rationalistic. Leora logically explained apart from God. I could give example after example I know of people around the world who miraculously healed its document and its undeniable, and friends who had divine intervention was that the only possible logical explosion is gone so when I now am looking at Scripture and faced with. Here's a strong argument in favor of the Bible being true in a strong argument against the Bible being true. I don't just weigh it. Based on that and and whose philological linguistic hermeneutical acumen is sharper who has more footnotes.

I said okay I see the arguments but I also have my experience in God is not turning on my brain.

It's factoring in everything together is being logical, rational, with faith because faith is my real experience in God so much, struggling, wondering role-playing as I know God and I must pray God's very best.

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