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September 22, 2021 4:35 pm
The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. A few more practical thoughts about a response to the pandemic and then a fascinating interview with Joel Rosenberg by this new book enemies and allies stage for the line of fire with your host activist and author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown your voice of moral cultural and spiritual revolution Michael Brown is the director of the coalition of conscience and president of fire school of ministry get into the line of fire valves like always 866-34-TRUTH that's 866-34-TRUTH your Jim is Dr. Michael Brown friends to the line of fire broadcasts this is Michael Brown delighted to be with you at the bottom of the hour. I'm going to be speaking with best-selling author, Middle East expert Joel Rosenberg about his new book enemies and allies. It's it's can be a fascinating conversation. I assure you of that before we get there though. I want to conclude some things we been talking about for a couple of weeks now regarding our personal responses to the pandemic about choices that we make and that we have to make that are coming away on a regular basis. I want to do that is why I want to ask you a question is a medical 866-34-TRUTH 866-34-TRUTH 87884.
What counsel would you give to someone a Christian who has concerns about the vaccine simply based on what they've read, studied, heard, but their job requires them to get the vaccine. If they don't get the vaccine they lose their job.
What counsel you have for them or when you're faced with a similar choice and you had questions about the vaccine. What was your decision 866-34-TRUTH that a colleague of mine really wrestled with this for some time when he had no way out in the state which he lived, in which he lived. He either had to get the vaccine or lose his job as an educator. He chose to get the vaccine and ask God for mercy and grace.
If you put anything negative or destructive in his body.
Others are losing their jobs rather than doing that and others of course are wholeheartedly getting vaccinated. Believing it's good, safe, and the best thing to do so. If you been faced with that what you do. How did you decide if your pastor and people coming to for counsel. What has been your counsel to them. This woman that wrote to me earlier.
I've been able to to respond it but you wrote earlier asking for counsel's at her church has been standing with her and not to get vaccinated. Less the case than all of the church is 10,000 people, or 10 people. But if that's the case, will they stand with her financially to help her while she looks for all the work that would be, if requested, right or how widely can you do that membership and so on so forth. So these are practical questions that we are facing yesterday.
We talked about Romans 14 and and how to apply the principles of Romans 14 in terms of disputable matters because these are not just matters of health and safety.
These are also face matters.
These are also questions about the temple of the Holy Spirit is questions about loving our neighbor so last night I posted a re-phrased Romans 14 of my application of Romans 14 to the question of massive vaccines, not mandates, but personal choices and this was interesting. I did look through all the comments by any means. I did scroll through some of the comments, and overwhelming.
It is been affirmation 1.2 thousand likes for the postal form Facebook, which in the past was nothing but since our flow is been greatly restricted by Facebook that's a it's a positive affirmation and I glanced responses many agreement thanked me for laying this out, but the fascinating thing was you had some on each side.
The Pro mask anti-mask Pro vaccine anti-vaccine posted this not a disputable matter is black and white. There's only one right choice here. That's just proposed deal with it in Romans 14 with dietary laws and and different days of worship that those that were doing them were each convinced there's only 1 Right Way in the. It therefore always right. The other way is wrong. So it's fascinating that the people are unable to see that is also when gentlemen comment that I base and got no business commenting on this at all. The sum qualified medically academically. Whatever. And I'm the one who was that person cough that I have the right to tell me not to talk, but all I'm doing is is seeking to apply biblical principles that I can do that I'm qualified to do by God's grace.
So here's my my application of Romans 14 except the one is faith this week without quarreling over disputable matters, such as wearing masks getting vaccinated now I'm not implying there that the one wearing the mask is weaker, the one not wearing the mask this week with one vaccinated, is weaker, the one not vaccinated this week. Simply just trying apply Paul's principles one's vaccinated mismatch must not treat with contempt. The ones not vaccinated is not vaccinated must not judge the one who is vaccinated forgot is accepted that who you to judge someone else's servant to their own master servant stand or fall, and they will stand for the Lord is able to make them stand. One person considers it prudent and loving to mask a church gathering church gatherings another considers it restrictive, unhealthy and unwise. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
Whoever wears a mask does so to the Lord does not wear a mask most of the Lord, for they give thanks to God for them of us lives for ourselves alone and none of us dies for ourselves alone. We live, we live for the Lord. If we die we got for the work so that we live or die, we belong to the Lord for this very reason Christ God and return to life's that he might be the Lord, both dead and the living you then what you judge your brother or sister. What he treat them with contempt. We will all stand before God's judgment seat is written through this… The Lord, every knee will bow before me. Every tongue will acknowledge God so that each of us will give an account of ourselves to God there. Passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. This therefore make every effort to do it leads to peace and to mutual edification do not destroy the work of God for the sake of masks and vaccines so every believe about these things keep between yourself and God blessed is the one who does not condemn himself for what he approves the river as doubts condemning self condemned. If they act in doubt, because their actions are not from faith in everything that does not come from faith is sin. That's my practical application of Romans 14, much of it verbatim. This reading the text and in here's the deal. We're not talking about fundamental doctrinal issues were not talking about matters of eternal salvation were not talking about something that will damn you to hell, or open the door of heaven to work without talking about issues like this. These are disputable matters and they are not merely political issues.
They are not merely scientific and medical issues. They are also personal faith issues are they not hear. Why are so many people seeking religious exemptions to the vaccination it if it's not a faith issue. If it's not a religious issue. Now one hospital in Arkansas said okay we we accept a religious exemption. If you are saying that the vaccines are some of the vaccines can be traced back to two fetal cells from aborted babies. Therefore, somewhere along the chain of development aborted babies parts were used in the developing of the vaccine based on which you cannot in good conscience could vaccinated. They said that's fine.
We just need you to sign off a form sin that you also do not take Tylenol or Benadryl Sudafed ibuprofen I remember everything on the list. I think there were something like 30 well known commonly used medicines, all of which, in their development.
According to this report.
According to this hospital used fetal cells. Somewhere along the way from aborted babies and then others who said well if you think that I've erected is a good cure for Joe Rogan. Obviously, the famous podcast reframes for a bunch of other things. Joe Rogan got hit with covert use.
I've erected in the liberal media went after him.
You're using horse medication. What are you doing it's veterinary medicine. We talk about his Nobel prize-winning research going back five, six years.
It was prescribed by my doctor, even challenging the Rolling Stone and CNN and others that claimed that he was using horse medicine. While some of argue that I've erected and and and other hydrochloric point that these also go back in their development with with the fetal cells from aborted babies, etc. on the scientific expert and I'm simply reporting what is commonly known and out there, but the point is if you say I have a religious objection to this religious objection of putting certain things into my body, which I believe to be the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Okay, so this this for many is a faith issue that for some it's it's a purely medical issue purely scientific issue for some, the whole issue is that the vaccines of the mass, but the government mandate so we we most all of us agree that the government has overreached most all of us agree that things have pushed too far in this regard, and most of us feel confident that once the bide mandate is articulated. Everything is put out in writing by OSHA. All of the demands for the laid out and instantly the lawsuits from at least 20 states will push back against this am attorney John Franco who is very, very, sober minded, not one given to wild speculation when he saying what 99% certainty that the Supreme Court will overthrow the mandate, wherein large-scale agreement on this is liberty loving followers of Jesus, and as liberal liberty loving American citizens. When the time of the mandate trauma, personal choices ultimately and I want to come back here and and then switch switch to a related but different subject. In a moment about the restraint faith and fear, ultimately, you are responsible for the decisions you make before God as they affect your life and potentially those around you Dr. James wife determine he was. Not going to be going on flights Mike Mike dear friend and colleague James like he was, not going to be flying wearing a mask feeling that that was an unhealthy thing for him to do that the mass get that environment and wearing the mask just potentially be dangerous or negative to his health but he still committed to traveling minister in different settings so he got an RV certificate lifestyle change got an RV and that's always gonna be traveling around and speaking in ministry so he made that choice based on his look at science. His look at the data he felt safe and was not. This was his way of responding to what he felt was government overreach as well. Ultimately, you prayerfully make decisions before the Lord thinking of yourself and give your family thinking of the will of God, thinking of others or coworkers, friends, cold members of your congregation and you make that prayerful decision. This is what we would call a disputable matter. Your arguments on different sides do not judge one another spiritually over these decisions that you make a want to urge that on you. Do not judge one another spiritually rare decisions that you make each one make this decision before the façade of their decision affects me will address that we will file the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown get into the minor fire now by calling 866-34-TRUTH dear again is Dr. Michael Brown about last week or two because the mandates and things that people are facing day and night in the world in which they live.
No more travel issues, travel restrictions, I would be in Germany.
Let's see this this coming weekend. I would been in Germany for major dedication of the new church building with my friend Jason Potter him after years of peers and engineering missions work in Germany with incredible results in fruit were been over there. Initially I could travel with those certain requirements and those requirements change because I did meet those requirements. Because an out American. The high risk list potential would've had to been quarantined for days when getting there.
I would've had to been quarantined longer that I was staying the screens of the country so let's postpone that trip.
These are these things were facing what you do in school what you what you do in this pressure on you with teachers and students and how we respond so just want to say this last thing about how to respond and then talk about the difference between faith and fear. Look at some interesting election results California and Canada. So the argument could be made if you choose to eat pork and not eat pork. That's between you, God, and your own body right you're not imposing that on anyone else that you might say if you something unhealthy if it will potentially shorten your lifespan of that affixes, but it does affect others in terms of infecting them.
The reason I can get your heart disease if if you ate pork day and night, so the argument would be if I choose not to wear a mask on others than I am therefore potentially endangering them right that the other issue is the people push back and say well you're wearing a mask is psychologically damaging to others or puts pressure on others to wear a mask and we determine that that's unhealthy or that we have learned that there there are other issues with that. Your vaccinated using okay your safe now, but you might be spreading it even more without even knowing it.
So you go around in circles in terms of my decisions affecting you in your decision is affecting me at an end in community life.
Just when it came to dietary laws in observance of days and things that these these were issues that were very hot, very intense in a different level II just urge once again. Don't judge the parenthesis very clear and the principal.
Romans 14 if someone in a disputable matter makes a prayerful decision before the Lord to honor the Lord don't judge them for if a person says I really feel it's the will of God that I'm vaccinated that this is a God-given saying that the science the wisdom that is given to people to develop these things we should take advantage of it. It's a lifesaver for the Lord wants me to do for my health. The health of others. God bless you. I'm going to have enough faith that is your problem you are having a faith I member early on and cocreated in Virginia law, you could have gatherings more than 10 people in one pastor gathered and said were were not afraid of Colby fear God is bigger than covert. Look around.
We got more than 10 people. You're not long after that he die quintal reports because of covert and they could have the funeral immediately because so many of us of his family members were cyclical than the starter came out after Sue.
Please take this seriously. We made a big mistake. Your soul a minute of seeing that I've seen. The people that there is no frameless in our view, and then their dead as far as we know, covert L on the other hand, we've got a whole society out now bashing those that which is quite a number of Americans quite a large number 100 million+ who've not been vaccinated bashing them as super spreaders and unloving, and so on.
We've got no business doing that as followers of Jesus that I can say with clarity that I can say with decisiveness. As for the woman that that called or that that emailed sent a note asking what my counsel was for her anyone in that situation. If you lose your job. That's not my decision to make free really is you have to do the research. She's done make a prayerful decision.
Ask God for wisdom. If you feel hate on them to be vaccinated and trust God that if there's anything negative.
My body will react to it. That's one aspect of trust, unless you're convinced that you're putting poison in your body. Potential poison you don't do that you don't willfully ingest poison or something destructive and pray that it will hurt. It's one thing if you drink something so impressed poison you know it know the Mark 60 longer ending of Mark principal that you drink any deadly thing will hurt you.
You don't willfully drink rat poison.
So praise the Lord is protect. On the other hand, it could be faith disable Goss my provider and there are other jobs out there and I I can live on less and either when the trust God for health and trust God to preserve me through what I know how to do and go from there.
So it's a decision was. I would encourage though if a church is actively encouraging people not to get vaccinated and as a result of that, those people lose their jobs that I would encourage that church to do its best to stand with those people to encourage others in the in the creation to help out while the person diligently looks for new work. Okay, last point is we talk about faith and fear. And then we can go to the phones and break in my special guest Joel Rosenberg to talk about his enemies and allies look. It was very interesting to see the results of the recall in California governor Newsom won his battle not to be recalled and replaced by another candidate by a little higher percentage than he was actually elected that I was frankly surprised to me why because what I'm hearing from California is people who had it with the the double standards.
There who've had it with the restrictions who had it with the court cases where the courts of the siding consistently say with churches against governor Newsom because of restrictive regulations and you know the all the restrictive things kids in school and so on so forth. And then coupled with the high cost of living in other issues that have driven hold major companies out of California is treated 61% of the voters going to exit polls, said that the cost of living was unmanageable.
And yes, it's true that there is a very strong Democrat turnout. Interestingly, though the recall went Newsom's favor in the number one issue with people was the pandemic and the great majority of the people favored the way governor Newsom and handle things in favored the requirement for kids to her massive school, etc. note what we produce this and then in Canada. Prime Minister Trudeau with with elections there and his liberal party remains in power and Canada's crackdowns are much more severe across the country as a whole was covert then than in America in their process on the street is being cursed to his face for for his restrictions and things like that. And yet remains in power, which would obviously mean that the majority of the people pandemic being so high on the list of issues, the majority of the people are standing with him in his handling of the pandemic. Swiss was a tell you why would people embrace these restrictions. Why would people be so positive on things that are so life restricting life inhibiting freedom, restricting why to me there is one answer fear they generally fear that without these things that people be dropping Devon streets, so to say. In other words, the with the pandemic would be much more severe. There be many, many more sick people that the hospitals would be completely overloaded that there be many more people dying and that this is the good and right thing to do was why on earth would you accept some restrictions, it would indicate to me also that the voices that I'm hearing from Dan. I have had it for pushing back or think of get out of Canada because things are so restrictive. Moving to America that that those of yourselves in California that they do not represent the majority. Otherwise, Trudeau would have been voted out and Newsom will be recall. Got an article it's to see Hannah eroded earlier today before radio see if it's up on our website yet you little quick to get up and sometimes they get up there. This is there several website squid asked Dr. Brown.org S. Dr. Brown.org and check out my new article analyzing the election results in California and Canada Canada and the attitude of faith versus fear. By the way, when people's and you can trust the votes on trust and erodes the votes went in California the way all the different polls were indicating they would go right up to the vote.
So say the whole thing stolen their the votes were in accordance with opposer. There was no major shock. There in the day it got really close for a while within the days leading up whatever was attacks on Larry Elder was demonizing the Republicans it was it was fear tactics.
Whatever it was, the votes ended up being very similar to what the polling said so without looking at data. Beyond that, it would seem to gone the way it was expected, but as I note in this article twitter pole that I did on September 20 look look at this when I asked what your current state of mind are you fearful, frustrated or angry excited about what God is doing something else, please explain this only 7.8% of those responding to my twitter pole said they were fearful, followed by 24.9% said they were frustrated or angry 28.9% responded with something else.
Look at this 38.4% by far the strongest response said they were excited about what God was doing so I'm seeing among many people who are in our similar campus conservative Jesus followers.
Bible believers see rising and then faith in front of Greg.I hear on the line of fire with your host Dr. Michael Brown. Your voice is more cultural and spiritual revolution. Here again is Dr. Michael Brown is slot we can get a New York Times best-selling author Joel Rosenberg talk about his brand-new book enemies and allies. I opening behind the scenes information personal interviews with some of the most significant world leaders in and around the Middle East and Joel of out of got to be candid with you reading this book under certain level almost felt like when your novels because it's so crazy to see the doors the guns opened up for you.
Michael, great to be where you and in many ways it feels step in my own political thriller okay and and note the power prayer. I've been praying as an Israeli citizen for my neighbor are praying for the people of Dorton, the leaders of Dorton people of Egypt. Leaders of Egypt, and so on so forth. Region and I even asked the Lord to meet the leaders in them because they seem to be going up very different direction. Very positive from what I've known and read about last 75 years of Arab-Israeli cremation. What is happening and God opened some crazy wonderful fascinating doors to tell you this one bit of background information message you privately about it, but I want to say first want to hear. I had John a few months back when your latest novel and come out and I thought you like III do sometimes long exercising and and I need something just to keep my attention or distract me saw him in a download that that novelist really started the beginning of the series. Well, I got completely engrossed. I've gone through. I think six of your books are nauseous and sincere it seriously and I have guests on all the time right so upset can't be constantly doing this but the that what what I also felt like the last war during call in with with with that with Hamas in Gaza is I feel like I'm reading the news in the novel so so this this really got me interested well through your book now on on audio enemies and allies so tell us what's unique about this book is it's not just your offering your opinions is someone's been involved follow Jesus Jewish follow Jesus. Note to Americans really citizen but what you say makes this book somewhat unique. Well Michael Pecora. Look.
Looking at the Middle East 20 year after 9/11 right out front with Scott who are the day.
20 years ago it was Al Qaeda but today it clearly regime in Iran and how close they are her weapon that one trendline, the radical Islamic fee to be more emboldened than ever and Iran are so dangerously close, not to acquire nuclear weapons. But what are they really wanted. By describing and now I want to bring about a second Holocaust. You distort Israel wipe her off the map, because Israel in your you are the little beaten, but what they really want to do is create a new 11 in the United States where not just taking out American tower but American city at one trendline. The other trendline which is entirely hundred 80° opposite is that error want to make peace with Israel and and so that's an interesting story to tell. But what makes enemies and allies unique and literally is not a single book on the market like it is I get to sit down with the king and the crown princes the president and the prime minister in the arable highest possible level, and Israel and go into the Oval Office and weekly as we have on the record conversation. How do they see the threat from Iran. They see the threat from her in the rigid and wider wired or attitude change, inquiring, moving towards peace with Israel and far more important than what I think is my opportunity that God gave me to hear what these leaders think from net Yahoo to Mohammed bin. Follow Mann ugly. The most controversial ally that United had your course the crown prince of Saudi Arabia yet so you get the first-hand discussion must've been fascinating. I can imagine I try to imagine being in some of these palaces and and getting behind the scenes tours and in the Muslim world, places where many of us would never get to step foot. So, in your view, simile, King Abdullah of Jordan is is he is he masquerading, the real intent of Islam to destroy and subjugate the world, presenting himself as a man of peace and a moderate just to win outsiders like you or from sitting with him and being in Jordan. Just think he's the real deal. I believe the real deal and you know Peter tell them how to assess people, you know you know them by their fruits. Okay, so… You wonderful beaches that are very moderate, but that's not it is interesting to me is what he's actually doing King of Della as I described in several chapters in the book.
I think most moderate and and and are in upbeat Arab allies and has been the most faithful for the longest period of time right.
He is a former special forces commander in Jordan and he is actively moving his forces into battle like when we have with Al Qaeda with radical Islamists, King of Della Jordan that protects the Christian Christian to probably safer in Jordan in any era mostly country in the world he once again an entire block of land to create a national Park for the churches of Jordan right along the Jordan River to celebrate and honor the baptismal spite of Jesus like that.
Pretty amazing and down and and get his people retorting people are not as moderate and so he navigates being very moderate and very currently towards Christians and Jews and Israel and maintain a peace treaty with Israel. Even people up pretty much moving the other direction. They don't want a war with Israel, but they are not happy with the peace treaty it's about we just lost Joel there so that some skin back online and find out what would happen. Sure team will reconnect these things do happen with phones so having been in the book right now enemies and allies entice a fascinating read because it it reads like one of the Joel Rosenberg novels because they they are contemporary historical models. In other words, they they will bring in real fears that will bring in real historical events that will bring in real conflicts and crises within the Middle East and then playable because different scenarios and many times snares it is written about actually come to pass, and if if they're not actually coming to pass their vertebrae close to two historical reality or contemporary reality. So you good to reconnect with you, Joel. She was saying that King Abdullah has to navigate between him self being more moderate than the people as a whole, many of whom are not happy with the Israeli peace treaty with the switchover to another player.
Again, you get to meet and speak with face-to-face the president to be to present LCC to go back a little while. Did the Obama administration make a mistake in embracing Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim brotherhood, tragic and terrible fate for Pres. Obama and invite Greg Biden to heaven brotherhood radical terrorist organization that it really be original radical Islamic characterization in the Middle East started in Egypt in the early 1920 and when Mohammed Morsi came to power. He was a train wreck and Christians were in danger and moderate important danger and West Egyptian alliance was in danger and Egyptian Israeli peace treaty was in danger and I described On the book when but how many can't think of where Arab Muslims will rise up and remove a terrorist regime from power, but this is exactly what… LCC. A devout Muslim, wrote about defense minister in the more government because Morsi the head of the Muslim brotherhood was so convinced that if you got that out of the Muslim part of Muslim brother, but he wasn't when he saw what was happening. He and his forces moved and liberated hundred billion Egyptian from the reign of terror of the brotherhood and then as I described enemies and allies.
LCC went on to rebuild at government expense. Every church had been damaged or exported or burned down by the brotherhood and even built the largest church in the history of the Middle East and gave it as a gift to the Egyptian Christian on Christmas Eve.
I was there to request to witness this really quite extraordinary and you will not hear this in the media because they're just not what I had read with great interest. Transcript of his speech a few years back, calling for reform in Islam as a devout Muslim and surrounded by leaders from all laws are University hundred thousand students amidst the Harvard of Egypt. As you say, and thousand year old school, surrounded by by leading clerics speaking out against terrorism is that that's a courageous thing to do a wonder with the men on the platform are thinking but but you in enemies and allies. Joel you talk about actual reforms that are being carried out even even firing with 55,000 Muslim clerics in one year for being radical so you see some tease to what he's trying to do yet in many ways pregnant. Healthy Egypt is the next in line after King Darla right, not just speaking in a moderate way, not an inept speech that you mention it never hurt you literally told the leaders of of of the Islamic academia if you don't perform what you're doing, you're going to face the judgment of Allah in hell I'm like oh my gosh what is this guy I want to meet up and that he's making right document them in great detail I've met with present LCC five times now there are five of him fulfilling the book yet overreaching on putting too many people in jail but I understand why you will be doing too much. He feels like you can know America 1860 in the Civil War. And of course our president, Abraham Lincoln, you know, suspended habeas corpus and put reporters in prison and so forth. Because the highest objective at that point was save the union don't think the state you can't have individual freedom. I think the objective is correct.
I think he's overdoing it, but over all I think Stevie CP is the greatest thing that happened to Egypt. Moses Mays I stay residual. I know you got a strict cut off about four and half minutes and I got one more question for you. This is a great new book Joel Rosenberg nonfiction enemies and allies. It's the line of fire with your host activist, author, international speaker and theologian Dr. Michael Brown voice of more cultural and spiritual revolution get into the line of fire now by calling 86643 here again is Dr. Michael Brown and his friends just ran out to my delight that stay with us right to the top of the hour here so get a bunch more questions from his book enemies and allies talks about ways to face meetings with Pres. Trump, Mike pence for VP Mike pence with with the Prime Minister Netanyahu for vice president for mice Prime Minister. She is a former president. Trouble is just to commit conspiracy theory a bit but anyway okay back to Joel up there's there's a funny story you tell where you are invited to hear Prime Minister Netanyahu in the states and he's giving a speech and you've got a guy next to you. You don't want to talk either the space Justice tells us right. Funny story, I fell in enemies and allies to prime Internet Yahoo came to Washington rapid joint session of Congress and getting to take on directly correctly interview that Pres. Obama and VP Biden Iran nuclear deal was very dangerous for Israel and for the United States and for our Arab allies and he would really giving quite a quite a stem wind or speech, and I was sitting in the gallery guide white did not know Capping me like jabbing the in the ribs during the speech was leaving the speech is so fascinating that the stakes are so high that with Iran. If you click one of Joel Rosenberg's novel likes to talk about it later. In a few minutes later he would do it again no idea who I was and it was mortified. Netanyahu will actually work for 25 years ago would stop in the middle the speech on live television for you to die or not, I can wait. Oh my God, did you talk to the guy after his tell them that you are he had any P actually at the end of the speech. I will think it was great to meet you and he looked at because he hadn't really been looking I got there.
Rosenberg so anyway that was funny alright so so you you get to meet with them in the MBS as you say the most enigmatic leader you've dealt with in terms of the Middle East so even even to be in a setting like that or to going to Saudi Arabia in general. If someone did that as it is an Israeli citizen as a Jew is a follow Jesus.
Those are a few strikes against you. Was it like to be in this kind of environment I am a senior official told me when I got back to Israel. Work will relive. Don't you realize that your only Israeli citizen who isn't senior you don't intelligence official who'd ever met the crown prince of Saudi Arabia and in your case told you run the front page of every paper in Saudi Arabia in doing it.doesn't make that and I told the crown prince were also the first Christian delegation in the history of the 300 years, but the Stout family had control so much of the Arabian Peninsula that had ever been invited into the pallet the heat without having just literally does not meet with Christian leaders, not in their home until their invitation to me and I set the crown prince listen I I'm very honored with a lot of things we want talk about including wider, not a single church you I'm sorry territory. We want that to change.
We want to talk you about these issues. Let me start by saying thank you for inviting me a dual US Israeli citizen.
You could affirm it dart out the window in America chosen one of the other 60 million evangelicals who aren't financed through art Israeli citizens who don't have to send to serve in the Israeli army to come and visit you. But thank you and I gotta say Michael it it's part of the signaling that they are actually considering should day and when should they make peace with Israel in the whole scenarios extraordinary going back to Pres. Trump and Abraham accords and how you can do that with radical Islam or Islam in general can Islam accept Israel in what was previously Muslim land them in all the theological issues with it but yet you're very careful to draw a clear line of distinction between say King Abdullah in Jordan and the Islam of of Tehran of Iran and you call it apocalyptic Islam.
So what's the difference between radical Islam in general as dangerous as that is an apocalyptic Islam well in the short version would be.
I'm not concerned about 1.8 billion or not fatback majority are not dangerous or not violent. I disagree with them theologically know they need the gospel and they need to understand the divinity of Christ, not merely a profit. So I really theologically great. But then there's that radical Islamic and this is the group instead that we want to use violence. We believe in violent to achieve our religious and political objective for this Al Qaeda that Patel nap, that you know Islamic see how it begins that the Muslim brotherhood that but is not as bad even at apocalyptic Islam is a mess was held by the supreme leader of Iran, in his inner circle where they believe that they want to commit genocide against the epicenter of Judaism, Israel and the epicenter of Christendom United States and in so doing, they will usher in the end of day and the local Islamic caliphate or kingdom, run by their so-called Savior and Messiah so that it was so dangerous — what were up against in Iran. This is life interesting. Even though crown prince of Saudi Arabia understand it. I'm not sure Biden dies and the crown prince said to me on the record that he regards the supreme leader of Iran." The new Hitler unquote.
Suddenly the Saudi's are starting a lot more like Yahoo and ukulele and Pres. Biden is surrendering to the Tampa band and undermining any competent.
The people in the Middle East have it you'll know how to with yet. He's even submitted by the ministration calling for the tell band to be inclusive in their government leadership and to incorporate women.
Obviously there they are missing the ideologies that they're dealing with, but by a wide wide margin. So Joel again friends get the book enemies and allies to get all the details to get all the interviews, some of the back stories fascinating personal anecdotes of the very touching is as well with both your son and in the note with the king of dry alert readers set out about it. Go have one going to go to work go to Jericho yeah okay so I had lunch with Mike Penn at one point to brief him on the nuances of these delegations I was leaving always Arab leaders and other trumpet ministration was forming their Middle East peace strategy which course became enormously successful but but had been a longtime friend that I described the book but at the end of our lunch. She could have met the president for this).
You know I would've never Trump 16 labs that change my view but no so he take me in the Oval Office and prompted great. Let's sit down, let's talk. I want to hear your story and then and then introducing me to present Hunter's very critical weight. You're saying to Joe that even chocolate that what you're saying Mike Penn and bite. Yes, Mr. Pres., Trump turns to me to join your evangelical I said yes, Mr. Pres., but your name is Rosenberg net Jewish.
Yes, Mr. credit, my father side is Jewish and my mom not an Israeli dual US citizen and we really understand how can you be Jewish and believe in Jesus.
Now Mike, I have never ever been in the Oval Office about point think of the Lord at that moment, you're telling me Lord that the first conversation I ever had in this room is about being Jewish and believing in Jesus and explaining it to the present night faith By me, on but tell that story in the darkest humored of me.
It was also amazing to me is that of to that point, Pres. Trump did know that didn't you still hadn't understood got that okay if I get the one minute version. How is it that Saudi Arabia could potentially even countenance peace with Israel, given that the Jews now occupy what was historic Muslim land what justification can I come up with again. In the book, but short story here.
You show the short version is correct from Iran fundamentally transforming every E.
Arab leaders view of who is my friend and who is my quote yet 75 years.
Saudi saw Israel find you enemy and now they're like weight and I don't think that's true. I think there are friend and I think we need a trend towards them Iran dental threat and the Israeli get it, and what I can agree on finance and but maybe we ought to work closely to get a better story to me of not telling you and this is the only one that does. The enemy is my enemy is my friend that's that's was working out and they realize the level of intentions, the potential murderous intentions.
The potential worldwide war intentions of the leaders in in Iran so friends the book the new book by Joel Rosenberg, enemies and allies if you haven't read his novels to speak any one of them start there to be blown away. You'll be pulled in like I have been the good news website. Joel Rosenberg.com you can find out about great new services all Israel news all Arab news. I go there regularly to get updates as well. So Joel much success to you. Thanks for doing what you doing being who you are appreciated. Great to be with you. Thank you so much my joy. All right friends we are out of time. Rosenberg enemies and allies and then I can see that I think I've listened to at least six of his novels in the last few months. I just got drawn and so a long drive of something praying with that in the work one on the treadmill, or rolling so check these out another program powered by the Truth Network