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That has just kind of rocked the NBA. Terry Rogier, Miami Heat Guard arrested, Chauncey Billips, Portland Trailblazers coach arrested, Damon Jones, assistant coach for the Cavs arrested, all tied into illegal gambling issues and stories, tipping off betters and illegal poker games. And this could have some wide-ranging implications, not just for these individuals, but also the league. And professional sports in whole.
So, joining us right now, as I mentioned prior to the break, is Odyssey Legal Insider Amy Dash. And it was good to have her on. All the insider calls, ironically, are presented by Bet MGM. Go check out all the latest lines today on the Bet MGM app. Amy, how are you?
I'm doing great. How are you? I'm very well. I know it's been a busy day. We've all heard about these allegations against Chauncey and Damon Jones and Terry Rogier.
What is the next step in process as to what happens with these guys as these allegations are found to be proven or not proven?
Well, it's going to be a very lengthy process. And they will probably have to be arraigned and they will have to postbail, and then they'll have to meet with their attorneys, and they'll have to see if even any type of plea deals are offered or if they want to put up a full defense. and go to trial. If there is a trial, apparently the federal government says it had thousands of hours of video. from extensive surveillance that's reportedly been conducted over the course of years.
more than two dozen search warrants. were also executed on electronic records.
So that could be cell phones, it could be computers.
Some text messages were cited in some of the indictments.
So they're going to have to contend against that evidence and the Fed say that they've very precisely been building these cases piece by piece over years.
So knowing that that any of these guys could is sit around and say, hey, I know somebody else, you know, he's a bigger part of this than me. We know that there's organized crime families that have some big names that are obviously a part of this. What could any of the punishments look like for any of these guys? I mean, if they strike a plea deal, do you get off a little easier because you you pulled in a bigger fish? Like what are some of the the implications here?
Well, first of all, the case is ongoing. And to your first point, I believe that some of these people may have already cooperated. I'll give you one example.
Somebody is listed as a co-conspirator. In the sports betting case.
So there's two separate cases. One, as you mentioned, deals with sports betting, giving insider information so that people can bet on things. like prop bets, unders, and assuming that athletes are not going to meet their statistical norms. And we saw that that happened on a couple of occasions. And there's that rigged poker games.
As you discussed, So Chauncey Billops, we know that he was taken into custody and he was only named in the rigged poker games case. But then there's a co-conspirator listed in the sports betting case. And this co-conspirator, number eight, is described as an NBA player who played from 1997 to 2014, an NBA coach since 2021, an Oregon resident.
So a lot of people are rumoring maybe this could be Chauncey Phillips, who may have also been reportedly involved in the other case.
So I think there's been a lot of exchange of information. Damon Jones is listed in both cases. There are a lot of players and co-conspirators, some of them former NBA players and coaches that have not been named. but are named under these pseudonyms of Coke's Inspiritor. player one, player two, player three in these indictments.
in terms of what they could face sentence-wise.
So the guys that you mentioned have all been charged basically with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to money launder. These are crimes that at the federal level could carry up to 20 years, but that's really unlikely. Like I said, they take into account whether a plea deal is offered. Even if a plea deal is not offered, if they were to get convicted, there would be a lot of things that would factor into the sentencing guidelines. For example, the number of victims, how much money, was their restitution, did they have a criminal history?
And as we saw with the college bribery scandal, A lot of guys that were charged with similar crimes got six months or just served probation.
So I wouldn't say that necessarily there would be years and years of prison time if there were convictions on these charges. Amy Dash is here with us, Odyssey Legal Insider. We knew of what we knew about the situation with Terry Rozier. The NBA actually cleared them or cleared him from their perspective. Obviously, he was not cleared.
From the FBI. The NBA hires plenty of people, outside investigators, law enforcement, and what have you. Of course they're not the FBI. But why do you think there was a kind of a discrepancy? Do you think the NBA just kind of wanted to take the approach of let the legal system handle us if something's going to be there?
I'm not sure if they were privy to all of the information that the federal government had and what the federal government is alleging in that particular case. is that Rozier, on at least one occasion, you know, removed himself from a game. They're saying on purpose so that people could bet on his Unders. But what they're additionally saying is that They believed that he was co-conspiring with a childhood friend of his, and that after these bets were placed, after he left one of his games early. They have proof, they claim, that he paid for this friend's trip to go to Philadelphia to get the proceeds.
that immediately when the friend came back from Philadelphia, he went to Rosier's house. And that's where they counted the proceeds and Razier allegedly got. portion of the proceeds.
So I'm not sure if the MBA was privy to that information that's in the indictment. We don't know if that's true, but that's what's alleged here. And maybe that's why. Or to your original point, actually, maybe people have since cooperated and given more information. Um over the years since that investigation was concluded.
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So, if you love Survivor, I think you're gonna love On Fire. Follow and listen to On Fire with Jeff Probst on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, I'm Josh Radner, and I am so excited to tell you about How We Made Your Mother, a rewatch podcast looking back at how I met your mother. And I'm here with Craig Thomas, who co-created the show along with Carter Bays. Hi, Craig.
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Now Amy Dash is here with us, Odyssey Legal Insider. We know that Chauncey Billips and Rogier Damon Jones, they've all been placed on leave while this system plays out. We know that the government wants to be aggressive, and there might be other people that get roped in. And the season ends in June. We know that's when they'll crown another champ.
Is there any possibility that we'll see Chauncey on the sidelines this year, or is this might as well be a A lost season for him and even Terry Rogere. I don't think you'll see them this season. That's my opinion. I question whether if they are convicted, obviously they're innocent until proven guilty, and it's going to be a long road ahead, even if they were getting a plea deal. These processes take a long time in the legal system, but There is some precedent.
Jante Porter, who was named in one of these indictments, we know that he. You know, he had some legal troubles, and he got a lifetime ban related to this type of situation, the sports betting. It's questionable whether they'll ever return to the league, in my opinion. But obviously, that remains to be seen because they they should have an opportunity to put up a strong defense.
Well, Amy, we know even before we moved into an era of digital gambling, prop bets, gambling was an issue and a threat to sports for forever. I mean, we can go back more than a hundred years to the Black Sox. We can fast-forward to Pete Rose. We could think about Louisville from almost more than a decade ago at this point, just about a decade ago. This isn't anything new.
But what might be a change now that we have so much technology involved? Or is there a change? Is this just the latest scandal and we'll have another one another year from now, another five years? Yeah. You know, I really feel like it comes down to the characters of the people that were involved.
Obviously, you know, four different crime families. La Cosa, Nostra, Boneno, Gambino, Genovese, Lichese families. are accused of being involved in these illegal uh gambling rings where the poker games We're rigged. And like you said, with this high-tech you know, technology, the x-ray tables and spyglasses and decks that shuffled these cards and could read them with with hidden cameras.
So I think the technology, to your point, Does provide more opportunities for people to think that they can get away with this type of thing? But I feel like when it comes to the league, Um if you have people on the inside who are making massive amounts of money, you know, over $100 million. from playing professional sports. and they are willing to take Risks If in fact any of this is true. and give insider information and um you know, fix games.
And millions of people are affected, and millions of dollars are at stake from people who are trying to legally gamble. Um whether it be at poker games or whether it be on these online platforms betting on professional games. You know, there's certainly an element there of recklessness and of questionability as to why people would put so much at stake. When they're already profiting from the professional achievements. And so I think.
Um, you know, part of it may be, um this very real uh sort of consequence of gambling being so accessible is that it is an addiction for a lot of people. Um and there is sort of a uh uh you know, this payoff that people chase, this adrenaline rush and when they lose they try to recover it and we know the house always wins.
So You know, I think you need to uh there's there's character, there's how people Weigh risks versus benefits, and there's addiction.
So I think it's like very multilayered, and it depends on the people that are involved, but certainly the technology. Mix it. I guess, uh a little bit easier to feel invincible in these situations. Amy, in conclusion, we know that another adjustment is that the leagues have certainly embraced Gambling. This is not something that's just under the table or on the side.
The leagues are certainly all benefiting from. The sports books and prop bets as well. Do you see any future regulation to try to maybe slow down what we've gotten? Maybe the prop bets are adjusted, maybe there's no more unders, or is it just too much money out there on the table for everybody to just maybe just throw their hands in the air and go, Hey, it's gonna happen every now and then, let's just make the money and keep it moving. You make a great point because I remember when they were fighting to try to legalize sports gambling and actually the leagues were initially against it.
And then of course, as people started taking a piece of the pie, everybody's views changed toward it. And I think also some people realized that they weren't going to win that fight, so why not profit off of it? And then you have sort of this wild, wild west where there's so many different ways to bet. And there's so many different platforms, and they're constantly advertising to people. And it seems like a quick and easy way to make a lot of money.
And so with that comes temptation. not just from people who are everyday people who are who are betting, but you know, people who are in the league and the league itself. And the league has said, you know, we're going to try to cut down on prop bets. We're going to try to mitigate the risk. But I do think it's very hard to do so because there's just so much money involved.
And it's just so accessible.
So I don't think it's as easy as just cutting out prop bets. I think it's something that Um you know, maybe there does need to be more regulation, but I hate to say that because anything that's regulated by the government or the federal government is never really regulated properly and properly. And then when you have private entities, then there there's corruption there as well.
So Um yeah, it's a tricky situation. A lot of people enjoy it and they do it responsibly. Um and so I guess Situations like this hopefully will be a deterrent. Um where people, you know, lose so much just to gain so little. And a lot of people are affected in the process.
It seems like history repeats itself in just a more advanced way. Uh so I wonder what what will happen next. Amy, we certainly appreciate you coming by and and sharing your expertise. Uh please tell everybody where they can follow and keep up with you as this story and others continue to pop up, crop up, and Keep things moving. Sure.
I'm on Twitter at Amy-TV, and you can hear me on DBS Sports Radio, Infinity Network. and um all the Odyssey stations nationwide as the legal insider. Hey, Amy, we appreciate the time. We'll catch you soon, okay? Thanks so much.
Take care. A new season of Survivor means a new season of On Fire, the only official Survivor podcast. Each week we break down the game like nobody else can, from how the season is built to why the players make the moves they do. It is the ultimate companion to the show.
So, if you love Survivor, I think you're gonna love On Fire. Follow and listen to On Fire with Jeff Probst on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey everyone, I'm Josh Radner, and I am so excited to tell you about How We Made Your Mother, a rewatch podcast looking back at how I met your mother. And I'm here with Craig Thomas, who co-created the show along with Carter Bays. Hi, Craig.
Hey, Josh.
Somehow, it has been 20 years since the show premiered. That's you know, I'm gonna check the math on that. 10 years since it went off the air, and we thought that made this a perfect time to look back, see what the hell we did, and why the show still seems to resonate with fans around the world today. Follow and listen to How We Made Your Mother, wherever you get your podcasts. Botox Cosmetic, Atobotulinum Toxin A, FDA approved for over 20 years.
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