Golf With Jay Delsing - - Barney Hinkle

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Welcome to Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay Delsing. I'm here with my buddy John Perlis. Pearlie, good morning. What's going on?

Nothing much. Ready to roll here. Got some fun stories to tell. You got another great interview this week, another whack and chase. We got.

Good stuff and get rolling. I like the story segments when you and I just bat things back and forth, try to remember some of the. Going on out there in the tour. Yeah, the show is formatted just like a round of golf. The first segment is called On the Range, and the On the Range segment is brought to you by Golf Discount.

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I thought she said to say Instagram. It's out.

Okay.

So You kind of already talked a little bit about what we have. Barney Hinkle is now the tournament director. For the new Ascension Charity Classic in St. Louis. And you've known him a long time, and you played with Lon.

I played with Lon. Yep. I'll tell you a cool story. Listen to this: Lon Hinkle, real gentleman. He and I don't know if you recall in the US Open they were playing at Inverness and there was this dogleg left par five and Lon was a bomber.

Back then. We were still in college. And Lon could take his t-shot and cut straight across a couple holes and take this par five and make it play like driver and uh Like a six or seven hours. Back in that day. Right.

So he does it the first day. He does it the first day. The next day? There's a tree there. 40-foot pine put up by the USGA overnight.

And it was called the Hinkle Tree. And we were talking about that at the press conference the other day. And as fate would have it, who won that US Open? Hail Irwin And Hale Irwin was at the press conference. Isn't that something?

It is something. Yeah, it's really crazy.

So, um but uh man, Lyn used to love to gamble on the golf course, love to you know. played for a little bit of money and uh what a gentleman he was and won three tournaments on the tour. Yeah, he lives in Montana now. And yeah, just. Is that how you got to know Barney?

I actually knew. Barney, better than I knew Lon. And I was kind of. Lon was kind of towards the end of his career when I was just beginning. And then I got to play with Lon a few times, and we became close friends.

It's that family. Barney is the youngest of seven kids. And Lon's the older brother. What's Lon doing? I'm not sure.

I think he's just involved in golf in some way to kind of. Kind of mostly retired. Or Southern California, folks living in the world. Where they grew up in San Diego, but Lon lives in Montana. Oh, okay.

Yeah, he's hanging out over there. And. Yeah, so um So a couple of stories.

Alright, so. This is 19. Late eighties. And I'm playing at the anniversary. I would say it's early 2000s, so we don't date ourselves so much.

Yeah, but people can look up on the Internet and know that there's nobody. Then nobody checks us, right? They're just like, those guys are just yapping again. All right, so this will take a minute. This is a good story.

So if there's a tournament I could win my rookie year my first couple years on tour, it would have been that. I mean, if I had my choice other than a major, it'd have been the Anheuser-Busch Classic because of the stainless relationship and how special Anheuser-Busch was to Just being here, it's like your left arm.

So they are sponsoring the event at Kings Mill in, um Williamsburg, Virginia. Also one of the hottest places on earth, no question about it. James Rivers right there, Pearl. I walked down the 16th Fairway. I better not tell the story, but I was walking down the 16th Fairway with Peter Jacobson one year, and we are drenched, like someone has just hosed us down.

And he said, I think my underwear is losing the elasticity. It's a little too heavy. I'm like, don't want to know. Don't tell me. Anyway, so I'm going in for my afternoon round.

You know, so you get there a little early, get a little something to eat. And they had two locker rooms, an upstairs and a downstairs locker room, but they the steps were in close proximity, so you kinda You know, when I was in the upstairs locker room and I went to my locker to put something down, and I hear just a ruckus. and the lower locker room. Bangin' Clubs are breaking. Nobody's screaming.

It's not like blood curdling, but there is something going on.

So now I'm like, hmm. I wonder what's going on. I've got to go check that out. I'm going to go check that out, right?

So I just kind of mosey around and I see Billy Kratzert. Cleaning out his locker.

Now it's an odd time. The second round's not finished. And he was obviously early on Friday. And I'm like, hmm. I'm not going anywhere near him personally because he always was able to run a little warm.

I wasn't going near him.

So You're saying he shouldn't have been done with the round at this point. No, no, the rounds are still playing because I was one of the first off in the afternoon, and I'm coming just to get some lunch and then to get a little workout in.

So I'm coming there quite early. And I'm thinking, this is so odd, and he is. Pissed. And he is murdering, you know, under his breath and banging, and clubs are breaking and stuff's getting thrown away.

So I can't wait to find out what's happened.

So I just go grab some lunch, you know, and wait. He's gone. And come back. And Billy's a friend. It would be awesome to have him on the show telling the story.

So I said to the guys, what happened? And he goes, well, you're not going to believe this. He ran out of golf balls. I said, what are you talking about? He's in the middle of the golf course, and he ran out of golf balls and I.

I said it's impossible.

So we had to get more of the the details of the story.

So Billy's cat, longtime catty spider. was getting for him, and Billy walks up and hands him a dozen balls. And they go to the ranch. Practicing and whatnot, get on the golf course. This is back in the Balada days.

So you look at those Balotta balls and they scuff and you take them out. You could easily run through a dozen balls in a day. All right.

So Billy hits his drive in the fairway bunker on number one. Hits a little thin there. That ball's out of play. All right.

Goes to number two, plays along at number three, gets to number five, par three, and there's a little water hazard to the right, and he hits it in a hazard.

Okay, that ball's wet, gone.

Okay, gives them another ball. They go down. Number six, go to number seven's a par five, and there's a card path along the right side. There's a boundary line around the right side, and Billy is hot because he's not playing very well. He's already gone through two balls, and he smashes one down there, and it hits on this card path three or four times, it goes way down on the grid, and he knocks the thing on in two.

And he gets up there and that balata is chewed in three different spots. And he says the guys have got to take this ball out of play, marks his balls, tells his playing competitors, right, and throws the ball. and the hazard.

Okay.

Okay.

And he says to Spider, give me another ball. And Superder walks away. And Billy says Spider Did you hear what I said? You're making me nervous with this story as a caddy. I know.

Well, he didn't lose his golf pack, but he did lose some of his equipment. And he says, Spider. And Spider turns around and he says, I said give me another Golf ball. And Spider doesn't make any gesture, he's just standing there. And Billy.

comes over to him and gets real in tight and says Spider. If you don't give me another so-and-so golf ball, I am gonna whoop Your Then Spider says, Boss? We don't have any. And he's a spider? Two hours ago I just handed you twelve.

Golf balls. I've gone through three. Give me a golf ball. Boss? I sold him.

Bag was getting too heavy. Yeah. Oh my gosh He sold him 'Cause the bag is getting too heavy.

Now So, check this out. If you and I are playing together, and I'm playing a titlist, and you're playing a titleist, I can borrow balls from you. Guess what kind of ball bill you used to play back in the day? Not one somebody else in the group had, apparently. Spalling Tour Edition.

Oh, wow. Do you remember that?

Some of that whole episode we normally spoil the tour edition. Yep. Yeah. Spalding Tour Edition. He's playing with two guys for titlist.

Yeah. Golf balls. I didn't even know you could. Borrow one by the way. You can do that.

You can definitely do that. You know what? I'm going to have to tell the rest of this story. Uh on our on our next segment? Uh well I'll let me just finish parts of it because So The walk back to No, he's on the middle of the golf course.

He's on the seventh green, and he's got to walk back. Would you want to be Spider? No. Oh, boy. I would have walked the other direction probably.

Oh, man. Nothing good should have come with that walk. a beating. Just a verbal barrage of things that you can imagine were said. And um Then I see Billy in the locker room, and he's doing his thing.

And is that pretty? And so that's where I came in. And then there's a couple other parts of the story.

Okay.

So Car gets uh clubs get put in the car. Straight away. And then Billy goes clean like he doesn't want to have anything to do with spider. Spider says Are you going to pay me? Oh really?

Oh, boy. Of course.

Now, is that no brains at all, or is that just guts in it? He probably needs money to get to the next week, would be. A possibility. That's what just transpired. Anyway, Kratcha does not say one word to him and walks away.

Okay?

So he cleans out his locker room.

Now there's a deal on the tour. Where if you stiff the locker room attendant. The tour officials will come up to you and say the next week and say, dude. You know, these guys are a hundred dollars, you know, whatever. If you have a trouble with your caddy, it's a The tour officials have that.

Ability to come up with it. Yep. I know where I should have turned on a Calvary. Right.

When you had trouble with me paying you. Pay? Anyway, Billy's walking out to his car and he is running at 110 right now. And there's a tour official, his name's Frank Kavanaugh. You know who he is.

I used to call him Dr. No because every time I'd ask for a ruling, he'd go, No. He doesn't even know what it is. He'd walk up and go, No. Like, dude, you don't even know what I'm going to ask you.

No. Anyway, he goes to, he goes, Hey, Billy. Hey um I just talked to Spider And Billy went like this. He put his hand right up in Frank's face and said, Frank, If you bring his name up. or say anything to me right now, about what just happened?

I'm going to whip your ass. He's gonna whoop everybody out there. And Billy got in his car and drove away. And uh I was doing uh working for PGA Tour Live. Two years ago out in LA with Billy, and I went out and had dinner, and I said, Please, Paul.

Please tell me that story. And he is so much better at it than I am. And it was just. Wonderful. I didn't ask that, but I'm not sure.

All right, well, that's going to wrap up the On the Range segment. Come back, we're going to jump on the front nine. We got a great interview with the tournament director, Barney Hinkle, of the new Ascension Charity Golf Classic, Ascension Charity Classic. We got a whack and chase. Yeah, so come back.

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Running out of golf balls. Have you ever come close to running out of a golf ball? Running out of golf balls. We told that story, 18th hole at North Ranch. In college, when you were throwing them back to me, I think I did run out and I was using yours, so I should remember that w um the other player can borrow from another player.

But yeah, that's when I made a fourteen, and that was the first hole my dad had ever seen me play, uh in uh in college golf.

So yeah, actually I do remember. Thanks for bringing that up. I do remember running out of golf. How did you feel? Feel pretty good.

I'll tell you what, that was the hardest part about that is I I had to tee off 15 minutes later and play another 18 because that was one of those things. And you brought it on home, by the way. And I played great after that. I played good all day long, except for that fourteen on that hole. That ten hurts most college rounds.

I'm still not over the fact that you got pissed off of me because I couldn't throw it back there for like the fourth. I thought the son of a great baseball player, you'd be able to throw the damn thing on the tee. Yeah, thank God I didn't have to hit it on the tee. You'd have been looking for balls too.

So I was just looking at the tour schedule. And I saw the Houston Open as being played. this time of year. And I thought, man, it was so odd because they used to play that event. The week before the Masters for so many years.

A couple of weeks ago, right? Yeah, yeah. And what's interesting about that, Pearl, is it's got to be so hard. For these tournaments When they get shuffled around a little bit. You know, because let's be honest, you got the majors, and that's the top of the heap.

And then you have the World Golf Championships. And then you have Jack's tournament, Arnold's Tournament, which are invitational's and Um colonial.

So, you basically have this tier system, and the tour is doing a really good job of. Of Trying to make these guys feel special, but it's got to be difficult. Um when it comes to um Your field. You know, because You know, basically what we're doing with the wraparound is we're trying to have a a Uh 12-month calendar. Schedule.

Right.

You know, and you know, certain guys just aren't going to play at certain times of the year.

So is the week before Augusta. better than this time of This fall time of year for Houston, you know, because again, a lot of guys don't play the week the top top guys. A lot of guys don't. Most guys do. There's still a lot of buildup because it is the week before.

People are into it. They're into golf that time of year.

So there's a lot of those real positives. Right.

But also the golf course was in a very different condition. This time of year, and the guys seemed to like it. Right.

Well, and what was interesting is that they kind of sold the Houston tournament as being kind of masters-ish, you know. Perfect greens, big down there in Humboldt, Texas. But now they play the Texas Open, which has done wonders for San Antonio, and they deserve it. They have been a great golf partner for years and years. And not only that, I've had some coolest golf experiences down in.

Um San Antonio. I've MC'd a couple of events for Faraday when he couldn't make it and for his Wounded Warrior Foundation and the Troops First Foundation. And you know, there's all these uh hospitals down there, Pearl, that are so um wounded warrior specific, so to speak, where they have great rehab facilities and they really do some neat things. I haven't spent much time down there. I was down there with you one time and one other time for business.

Neat town, neat area and a lot of good golf courses in that area. Really, really grown a lot, about a month or so ago. We had a deal on where we were talking about extremes, and we were talking about they found. of four hundred pound Wild boar. on a golf course just like thirty minutes out of town.

You'd have handled that. That's a bit much. Yeah, that's a bit much. Yeah, with my new uh my new archery, my new uh bow. I think I would have put that down and run as fast as I could the other direction.

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Well, that's going to wrap up. The front name. Man, this show is just flying by. Um, this is Golf with Jay Delsing on one hole ESPN. Comeback, we've got an interview with Barney Hinkle.

He's the new tournament director of the Ascension Charity Classic at Norwood. Uh we got an episode of Whack and Chase and um Yeah, come back for that.

Well, here's another segment. That I like to call The Edge, and I'm with the proprietor of the Pinot Italian Soul Food. I love the name. Pepe, thanks so much for joining us. How long have you been a chef?

So I've been cooking since I've been a young young Six, seven years old. I'm the youngest in the family, and just my mom, I cooked with her. We all had jobs in our family, and growing up in our house, that was my job to help my mom.

So long time. That's great. We try not to age ourselves on the show, but John and I aren't as smart as you are. That was a good answer. One of the things, you know, going over some of this stuff, we're all looking for this edge, this thing that moves our needle.

And in the restaurant business, I mean, is there anything more competitive? I mean, there's restaurants, certain I've been to towns where there's a restaurant on every corner. But one of the things that dawn on me here that you guys do that's really interesting is you collaborate with one another. You talk to their competitors, actually.

Well, I think there's some in competitive talking and then looking at other styles and learning from other chefs and taking Traditional stuff and flipping it a little bit, you know, from my own kind of mind and hands, but uh. It is a sharing, if you will. I mean, I guess we're always looking at other people's styles to get better, of course. What is Italian soul food?

So, our area is Calabria region, southernmost tip of Italy, and its neighbors are Sardania, out in the ocean, a little island, and Sicily.

So, I like to call that the Creole of Italy.

So, our area is the poorest region in Italy, and we use every part of every animal and every Agricultural product there is.

Well, and that's kind of the truth, isn't it? If somebody, you didn't put anything to waste. No. We never throw anything away in our kitchen, basically. Everything's pretty much used, 99% of the stuff.

And that's kind of how we grew up, too.

So, Pepe, when someone goes into, you like to call it a neighborhood spot, which I love because it really is, they're going to know. How important food is to you, aren't they? I think so. And I hope that, you know, we're not like a downtown Clayton restaurant, if you know Clayton in St. Louis.

We're more of a neighborhood, and I believe that you have to be community and you have to be community forward. And if you take care of the neighborhood, the neighborhood takes care of you. And that's our whole focus on our restaurant: to. teach and educate our employees. And to teach and educate our community about who we are and what we do.

And it works for us. That's phenomenal. When we talked about this, we were talking, you kept mentioning a couple of things, you know, good quality food. You guys are conscious, all your food is consciously raised. It's touched by all your hands.

It's homemade thises and homemade that's. And both the community and the food, and all this is tied in. to your whole way of thinking of what a restaurant should be?

Well, I think when we talk about the competitive edge or the edge, I think that when you internalize something, whatever it is, sport or cooking or Creating clothes. I think you really have to bring like your internal spirit into the situation and really kind of understand what you have in front of you. visualize it And then put it together.

So, you know, kind of like plan your work, work your plan, your plan will work. And it's really. It has taken me a minute. To be able to understand that because, like I said before, I think that there's especially in the restaurant business, there's a lot of unfocus. And I this restaurant is kind of like the land of misfit toys.

And I love it because the universe sends me all this misfits because it knows I'm a misfit, and we just work together. And we get that championship nights going. And when it's on, it's on. And when it's off, it's off. And, you know, there's days that, you know, we don't have those exact days.

And, you know, that's just life.

So we just try to keep on going and perfect what we do. Folks, you got to get down to Pino Italian Soul Food 7600, Wydown Avenue in Clayton. That's it? Thanks, buddy. All right, Jay.

After 25 years on the PGA Tour, Jay Delsing takes you behind the scenes from the eyes of a pro.

Now back to more golf with Jay Delsing on 101 ESPN. Welcome back. This is Golf with Jay Delsing. I'm your host, Jay. I got my buddy John here.

We are going to the back nine, and we are going straight to this interview with Barney Hingle. But not before I tell you a little bit about Barney. Barney had, first of all, he comes from a huge sports family.

Okay.

He's the youngest of seven kids. He worked for the PGA Tour. Then he came to St. Louis and had an unbelievable job in sports marketing for Anheuser-Busch. And he's been doing some, he was the athletic director at Fort Lewis College.

He's had just he had to write a couple of books. He has just had some great experiences and some great stuff.

So let's get on with the interview with Barney Hinkle. I hate to think about how old we're getting because you and I have known each other for over thirty years. Yes, Jay, and what an honor it's been to know you all these years. I remember when I first moved to St. Louis after I came up here after working with the PGA Tour, Mark Russell said, Barn, There's a guy in St.

Louis you need to get to know, Jake Dalsig, man. He's just this great guy from St. Louis. You're in St. Louis, he's in St.

Louis, you guys need to get to know each other. And thank goodness, you know, we did, and it's been a wonderful relationship that I truly appreciate. You know, Barn, I do too. And um Man, we've got so much to talk about, so much exciting news about this tournament. But let's give the listeners some background on you.

You come from, grew up in San Diego from a really large family, and Sports was a huge part of your life, wasn't it? Oh, yeah, absolutely. My dad, who was a professor at San Diego State University of English Literature. He was that dad who kind of drove everybody around Southern California playing in golf tournaments. And I was the youngest of seven kids.

I think kind of an afterthought because they had three boys and three girls and then me. But anyways, my three older brothers were just incredible golfers, and he drove them all over Southern California. And they ended up being really, really good junior golfers. And then one of them, Lon, My brother ended up being a PGA Tour professional for 23 years and was fortunate to win three tournaments on the PGA Tour. Got to interject, part one of the true gentleman.

That I got to play with Lon and got to know him and our relationship helped, you know, me get in with him. But what a great guy. Yes. Lon has been a great big brother my whole life, no doubt about it. And I've had this wonderful career in sports and entertainment marketing, but specifically with regard to golf, And everywhere I've gone, when it comes across that, oh, you're Lon's brother.

has always been a real positive because Lon's just he's a good guy and he was a pretty good golfer too. Yeah, I'll say the win out on the BJ tour is uh is pretty incredible.

So, Barn, you played some college basketball and you could uh you could shoot the the three a little bit. Yeah, yeah, when I played, this is kind of gonna really age us here, Jay. There was no three. There was no three. Exactly.

Exactly. I ended up the all time leading scorer at my school, which was an NCA Division two school, Fort Lewis College in Durango, Colorado. And it was before the three point line. And then I got to go to Australia 'cause uh well, they invited me to go play in Australia. And when I went over there and they had a three-point line for the first time in my life, I averaged like twenty-four points a game.

And it's the first time in my life I ever backed up. But it was really, you know, if I back up a step, I get three instead of trying to move forward and, you know, and and it man, it was fun. Oh my gosh. I know.

I can't imagine. I mean, we we won't we'll talk a little bit how the game of golf has changed, but man, the game of basketball has just gone leaps and bounds. Yeah, no kidding.

So Barn, then you started your career and you started working for the PGA Tour. Yes. After I came back from Australia, I kind of was working in Colorado trying to figure out what I wanted to do in life. And thank goodness, I found my true passion in life, which was the business aspects of sports. And that was about nineteen eighty four.

And I um you know, researched and uncovered this school, the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, Massachusetts, that had a master's degree, specifically what I was interested in, which was the business aspects of sports and sports marketing.

So I applied, got accepted. Um, you know. Busted my tail for a year, and the requirement in order to get my master's is you needed an internship and Through my brother Lon, I was able to access the PGA Tour, and I got an internship with the PGA Tour that started after grad school. You know, I went down there and with a was with a purposeful intention to try to get a job. And I was an intern with the PGA Tour, and my goal was to make them glad they hired me.

Make them glad they didn't hire that other person they were thinking of. But most importantly, When it came time to let me go and be done with me as a three-month intern, which was the final requirement for my master's, I wanted them to go, well, who's going to do all this stuff that Barney's doing? And It worked. They extended my internship once, they extended it twice. And then finally, on the third time, they said, Well, what are you doing?

Do you want to work here? And I'm like, duh. You know, no kidding. This is exactly what I want to do.

So. That was the beginning of my career in sports and entertainment marketing, and then it went on from there. Fortunately, I got to come up here to St. Louis. got this great job working in the sports marketing department for Anheuser Busch.

So you know, I mean, and it was primarily to focus on uh their golf programs and Thankfully, over time, um I did a I did a good job in the golf area and so I got to get involved in all the other sports. And that was what my career was for the next twenty two years. managing the the the the sports and entertainment, which was you know, NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA, PGA Tour. action sports. It was just an awesome, awesome job.

Allowed me to meet a lot of people and establish a lot of great relationships. Very thankful. Yeah, that's a great career, Barn. And now we're going to fast forward to I mean on Tuesday of this last week. We just introduced a four-year Champions tour event.

The Ascension Charity Classic at Norwood Hills, how does that sound? Uh That sounds awesome. I mean, to have a a company um as strong as Ascension. And um that has philanthropy as one of their primary objectives. for all of St.

Louis, but also and specifically in North County. Um to have them focused Uh On golf? and wanting to create legacies and improve our community. we are all really, truly fortunate. And it's golf, It's sports, it's Saint Louis.

We all know what that means. People support their sports in St. Louis. And I really am very, very optimistic that this community is going to embrace this event. and support it like only St.

Louisans can and do.

Well, Barney, it's interesting because there's a couple of things you think about golf. Why should the city be so specifically the North County? I grew up in North County. Why should the city be so excited about golf. Golf has always been looked at as a rich kid sport and all this stuff and you and I are walking examples of that not being true.

Yeah, absolutely. Golf is a unique sport, as you know, Jay. It's been your career. You know, you're a member of the PGA Tour for. I don't know, twenty, twenty-five years, maybe even thirty.

But the unique element to golf Is that it supports charity? That's its driving force. Every single PGA Tour Champions event. PGA Tour event, Corn Ferry Tour event, they're all dedicated to raising money. For local and regional and national charities.

And as we've mentioned in the press conference the other day, you know, the PGA Tour has contributed three billion, that's with a B billion dollars. to charities throughout their history, which is More than In a moment. NBA Major League Baseball, NHL, all other sports, major sports combined. Which is Kind of, it seems like it's their secret. Nobody really knows that.

The world needs to know that. And This event will be integral in helping further that. Pardon, I couldn't agree with you more. It's one of the things that I'm most proud of. I mean, it was kind of a.

To be honest, just an add-on for me because I didn't realize how charitable the game was, but I'm As I sit here talking to you this morning, I mean, I couldn't be more proud of that. Oh yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And you know what? That's the foundation of what Ascension does.

Yeah. You know? I mean, you talk about a perfect fit. That's it. Yeah, and this North County area in St.

Louis has been beaten up. For years and years, and it was so great to see all of those. uh specific charities be at the the press conference and to know that this area that I grew up in that's that's got some some challenges, no doubt, but is not nearly as as Brutal as it's been made out in the national media that's going to directly benefit from this this this championship. Yeah, well, when the whole concept of bringing professional golf back to St. Louis was initiated with between Ascension and the PGA Tour in their discussions It was always very, very intentional and very purposeful that North County St.

Louis. The beneficiary of the efforts of this golf tournament, and that's very intentional from Ascension's point of view. That's one of the main reasons we're here at Northern Wood Hills Country Club. This beautiful. Beautiful golf course here off of Lucas and Hunt in I-70.

It's just a beautiful, beautiful place, and we want people to see it. Experience it, enjoy it. Yeah, it's really true. I mean, Barney in 1948, they held the PGA championship there, and it was won by Ben Hogan. I mean, it was, you know, there's been PGA Tour events held there at St.

Louis Classic in the early 70s. I think Gene Littler won one year, and Lee Trevino won another year. And so there's actually a really neat history involved here at Norwood. Oh yeah, absolutely. When I you know, told my brother Lon that I was Uh, I was getting this job as the tournament director for the Ascension Charity Classic, and we're playing at Norwood Hills.

He got to thinking and he says, you know, Barn, I remember. I remember hitchhiking from Evansville, Indiana, because he was a young professional at that time in 1973, and getting to St. Louis, and then. driving through the gates to this unbelievable place in this Historic-looking clubhouse. And he says.

Is that where your tournament's going to be? And I'm like, Yeah, that's it, Lon. And you know, there's plaques around here with Ben Hogan and Tom Watson. And that's where Tom Watson and Bruce Edwards, his caddy, they met here in the 1973 St. Louis Open.

I mean, there's just a ton. of history with this magnificent place. We had Tom back in town. I hosted a little fireside chat with him and a little charity thing and raised a couple hundred thousand dollars for ALS in one day. How cool is that?

Isn't that something? And it's all because of that relationship he had with Bruce. And unfortunately for Bruce, that horrible disease took him away much too early. But that's what golf does. Yeah, yeah.

Well, and one of the things that's one of the things, many things that's really cool about you and your fellow PGA Tour champions professionals is that You don't support each other. You know, Billy Andre was here the other day announcing this event.

Well, he and Bradfaxon have had Their CVS charity event that started out as just a you know, a kind of a s a relatively small charitable event, and now it's raised, I think he said they've raised over the years like twenty four million dollars. And Barney, I played in that event and it's just unbelievable to watch it grow. It's on television now. I mean, it's just, you know, and people are having a great time, and it's about. Community in it.

It's it's the community Getting around these events, enjoying themselves, and knowing that these efforts are going to stay here. and make the place that they love better. Right, right, yeah. And that that happens, fortunately, It happens kind of all over the country, you know, um, with the way that that uh golfers just support each other's. passions.

It's what it's what Billy and Brad uh up in New England, you know, it happened to be Their passion. And then I'm sure they found that great sponsor, CVS, and then just went from there and there and there. And $24 million later, they're still running strong. And then Billy, he comes out and Hale, Irwin, they. Just as a Out of the goodness of their heart.

They come here to St. Louis. and help us announce this this uh PJ Tour Champions event. And, you know, that's just How does how Well, you should be proud of it, but how you golfers have have kind of that's how you all roll. Yeah.

It's it's really interesting, Barton. I had the opportunity to interview Mr. Palmer, Arnold Palmer, about a month or so before he passed away. And when I was prepping For his, yeah, just that saying that gives me goosebumps still, but when I was prepping. For his interview, and I went down, you know, I googled his accomplishments.

It was jaw-dropping. I mean, here's a guy that's he's he's built three children's hospitals. What? I mean, we are talking hundreds of millions of dollars. He's had one of the most successful tournaments on the PGA Tour for thirty nine years.

He's got the Congressional Medal of Honor. He's won all of his majors and 60-some-odd championships, and you know, one of the founding fathers of our game, and um. Man, I just. I'm so grateful. Then I somehow fell into golf.

Yeah, well, as you should be. You know, one when I was started at the PGA Tour back in it was in nineteen eighty six, They were just forming the marketing department of the PGA Tour, and they were figuring out that collectively. Their assets, Jack Nicholas, Gary Player, Arnold Palmer, Lee Trevino, they were all. figuring out that their assets combined For the greater good of golf. was better than them going out and trying to get their own deals.

And they got together. And probably you know, they probably turned down Um a lot of money for themselves. In order to make the PGA Tour a stronger member organization for all golfers to come after them. And And you, you know, you were a beneficiary of that unselfishness of those of those gentlemen, those guys who did that. And they did it with a vision in mind.

I'm not sure they even. in their wildest dreams. Uh contemplated how successful that model would be, But If it wasn't for them, if they were money hung hungry grabbers for themselves. That whole model may not have ever had a chance to set sale. And those guys, those bastions of the tour, you know, are so gracious with their time and they were back then.

And it's just amazing. We could go on and on. But one of the other things, Barton, that I don't want to overlook, a couple of things. The overall economic impact of this event to the city, you know, it's going to bring millions of dollars to the city, not only now, not only North County, it's going to, you know, in hotels and restaurants, it's going to bring volunteers forces in. I mean, this thing, the term it takes a village is really true.

No one knows more than you how much work's going to go into putting this on. Yeah, well, in one of the um One of the great benefits of bringing this event to town is that it's going to be televised, okay? That's part of the existing agreement. And so, you know. A national television audience is going to get to see St.

Louis and Norwood Hills Country Club and get to know the golfers better, get to know the St. Louis community better through the announcers and the beauty shots that they can take of the arch and downtown and Norwood Hills Country Club. And So The economic impact is is you know far far regions. Yeah, it's terrific. And then lastly, Barn.

These these guys can still really play some damn good golf. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We were here here in both Billy Andre and Hale Irwin were sharing stories about when they first turned fifty and were eligible, not so much Hale Irwin, but Billy especially, because Bill or Hale was kicking everybody's tail, whether they were the regular tour or the fifty year old guys back then. But anyways, Billy Andre was talking about how a lot of players just didn't really realize how good these guys really are, you know, and this and the in the the numbers they were shooting and how low they were going.

And it's like, holy smokes. You know, I'm not really quite prepared for this. Have to kind of, you know, come to that realization. And it's you know, fortunately for Billy, he wasn't one of them. But man, what a great guy he was.

He sure is. What a great guy he was the other day for this event. I mean, he just was a great guy and was so gracious with his time. And he had a lot of fun. He really was.

And he is a fun guy. You know, we got together a couple of hours before the press conference and just chatted. I'm like. Man, you know, as you age, I guess this is just a natural way to reminisce, but I'm like, the first time we met, I think we were seventeen years old, you know, or eighteen years old. And now we look at it, I'm fifty eight and I think he's fifty six, fifty-seven, and man, there's a lot of water under these bridges.

Oh man, no kidding. Wow, what an awesome story.

Well, you know, he played at that Incredible school wake Wake Forest, and you played at UCLA, which is obviously Yeah. pretty impressive to say the least. And I can imagine that you guys probably butted heads for pretty much your whole career. Yeah, we did. I mean, we it's it's it's kind of an interesting thing, this golf barn, you know, because you can how can you have a friendship, but man, when as soon as the the tea goes in the ground, you really want to beat the hell out of one another.

It's really true. Yeah, that did it. And then, I mean, I guess. Beat the other person's brains out, then you shake their hand and smile and have a cold one afterwards. Yeah, and that will be done.

That is really interesting. It's It's one of those things where, for me, you can be really good friends, and while you're walking down the fairway in the middle of the competition, I don't really feel that friendly towards those guys anymore. You know, and then once the once it's over and there's nothing else that can be done, you know, you kind of shift gears and go back to that other state of mind. Yeah, yeah. Well, like I said, you know, that's that's sports.

It's it's that's one of the great things about sports. Competition. You're always just trying to beat that other person, whoever they might be. Uh but when it's all said and done, you shake hands and and uh you know Just be happy that you did your best that you could. Yeah.

Well, Barney, so how can people find out information about this championship? I know you're going to need volunteers. We're going to work on some sponsorship things to that degree. How can people reach out to you? How can they get involved?

Well, uh My email address is behinkle at ascension charity classic.com. And thankfully, after our press announcement and our reception in the evening on Tuesday, October 8th. You know, we've had a bunch of people that are already reaching out. Hey, how can I get involved from a sponsorship standpoint? You know, here's my company.

We want to get involved. How do I entertain my customers and my employees and my clients? And how do I volunteer? Where do I go? What do I do?

Well, we've got the website when you go into our website when you after you get a hold of me. that you can sign up, there's boxes you can check, you know, sponsorship. Volunteer, you know, transportation, whatever it is that you want to do, and then we'll be following up. Um In the near future, we're compiling the lists of people who have reached out to us, thankfully, and thankfully, like I said, it is happening as we speak. And we will be following up shortly With information on how this amazing community can get behind this event.

And you know, you mentioned the corporate involvement, and I mentioned it at the At the function Tuesday evening here at Norwood Hills, is that this is a great opportunity for St. Louis and the St. Louis corporate community to Create and build a legacy that we can all. be very, very proud of. And it starts with this.

And it will just build from here. This is a four-year deal with Ascension and the PGA Tour for this event.

However, we want it to be here for good. From here on, we don't want it to just be a four year thing, one and done. We want this just to be the beginning of What's going to be an annual event on the St. Louis sports landscape. in that it becomes and is one of the premier events on the PGA Tour Champions schedule.

I think we're going to do it, Barn. I think the the PGA Championship yeah, the PGA championship last year was a great springboard. It showed what a great golf hungry community we have from golf and Perspective, it also just displayed the corporate citizenship that we have here and how well the corporate all turned out. at Bell Reve, and I'm I'm I'm sure they're going to be right here with us again with the Ascension Charity Classic. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I ha I have no doubt, and I can't wait to get into the into the community, out into the community. And start spreading the word about this opportunity and get St. Louis and the corporate community behind it, like I know they will. And they've always done. And in many events that I was fortunate to be involved with, while I was with Anheuser-Busch, how many people and companies just stepped up?

And and uh I'm anticipating it's going to be the same for this event, Jay. All right, well that's That's just I mean, Barney, the only person Probably more excited about this event coming to St. Louis than me. Is Barney. He is just a St.

Louis and loves it. He's so well connected. He's going to just do a great job.

Well, I loved his enthusiasm, and you could tell he's not thinking four years either. He's thinking we're going to lock this thing down, and this is going to be around town for a very long time. I love to hear that spirit, and we'll see what he can pull off. Yeah, he's going to have a lot of people helping him, and he's going to do a great job.

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This is golf with Jay Delsing. Pearlie is with me, and we are on the 19th hole. And, man, the Barney Hinkle thing, the golf tournament coming to St. Louis. Man, if you're a golfer, I mean, you can't help but smile.

If you're a golfer here in town, you're going to just love these next years seeing some of the best players. You got me fired up, and I know I'm just going to be toting the darn thing, but I'm fired up. Coming out of retirement, we need to have a show. Do we need to have a show about the retirement show where they retire us? No, it's coming out of retirement show.

Well, first they've got to retire us, and then we've got to come out. We retired ourselves. Yeah, we retired ourselves very much so.

Well, let's we got a version of Whack and Chase. Let's just. Uh go listen. All right, guys, it's the favorite time of the show. Whack and Chase is back.

Tim is on the line this week. Hey, Tim, how you doing? I'm pretty good tonight. How about you guys? Great, Tim.

Thanks so much for joining us. Where are you calling from? I'm out in St. Charles. Beautiful.

St. Louis area guy, good to hear. What question do you have for Jay?

Something to help your golf game?

Well, I need some help. I uh I'm a sixty-four-year-old guy, and I used to play a little more than than I do now, and I've I've recently retired.

So I want to play more. I was having trouble of getting the ball off the ground. everything I'd hit from a three iron to a nine iron. would be line drives. You know, usually used to be my six, seven, eight, nine would go up in the air pretty nice.

Now, six, seven, eight, nine, mine drives. I got some new clubs. I had a very nice fellow helping get some new clubs, some hybrids. Uh Cobra. And I had to tell him after a while that it it really wasn't the clubs that was the problem, I guess.

Well, he didn't get him for you too short, did he? I hope not. I was having the exact same problem with my 845s I had.

So. It wasn't the issue with the clubs. It's got to be me somewhere.

Well, Jay is over there pondering. I can just see the. The concentration on his face.

So, I've got a couple questions that I'm confident once you answer, we'll give him even more input so that he can get you the answer that you need. First question. Remind me, maybe you already said it. How long, how much golf have you been playing? You've been playing your whole life or pretty recent?

Um, I've I've been playing on and off for, you know, thirty thirty years. I'm I'm an average to below average golfer. What do you shoot? I can tell you that. What do you shoot?

When I'm playing regularly, you know, I might be a bokey golfer.

Okay, okay, that's not bad at all. I have had I've had some people tell me what I need to do. Is basically I play left-handed and they said quit left-handed and go play right.

Well, at least they didn't say quit golf and go bowling.

So they have said that too. We're glad you don't listen to your friends, Tim. Uh I don't have that many friends now.

So so uh t Tim, I got a couple couple serious questions for you. First one is, do you swear out louder to yourself when you hit a bad shot? I I I do both. I try to get 'em both in right off the bat.

Well, then one of the follow-up questions to that is, have you ever thrown a golfer? No, I don't throw the clubs. I do that with some.

Well, he's obviously not a serious golfer, so we'll keep that in mind. Because we have a great tip if you throw the clubs, you just don't ever want to throw them. Behind you, because then you got to walk more. Yeah, exactly. No, throwing forward.

His deal was. He would hit a bad shot, he would grab my club and throw it.

So, you know, I have an older brother like that, so that's what he did. One time it went in the pond.

So One more question here that kind of I think kind of set the tone on how Jay's going to answer the question for you. Is uh do you ever give golf advice to anybody of any sort? Let's see.

Well, it's not a quick no or a quick yes, so he's pondering. No, I don't believe I'm qualified to give any advice.

Well, being qualified has nothing to do with giving advice. Being qualified has nothing to do with giving advice.

Okay.

Oh, okay. Well, Jane. Mm-hmm. Jay's settled into his chair and he's uh ready to go to solve if you're ready, Tim. I'm ready.

So so Tim, when you hit your your T shots, do you have any trouble with hitting those on too much of a line, or do you get a nice trajectory with those? I get a fair trajectory of those, you know, depending on. Me hitting it all the time, but when I do hit it, it goes pretty neat.

Okay, I don't know where it's going, but I do get it so. Um, so what happens when you um what what you're doing is is uh is it's pretty typical. It's a pretty typical uh problem. What you're doing is you're just pulling up with your upper body just a little early. And what I want you to feel like when you get out to play next is I want you to feel like on the top of your swing, I want you to feel like your chest is pointed to the ground like a second or so longer.

Okay, and so you're going to feel like your chest is pointing to the ground and your arms from the top of your back swing are going to start dropping first. You're going to want to feel that. I'm not even going to say you're going to necessarily do that, Tim, but you're going to need to feel that because what's happening is that, you know, we're a side-on game. The ball's on the side of us. We're tipped over.

It's an awkward swing. We've got to lift our arms that go up around our, you know, the right ear, and then they have to come down. And what happens is, if we don't keep turning our body, our swing is going to drill us right into the ground. It's just going to smash the ground. And so we're all real conscious of trying to turn and get through the ball.

But if we do that too quickly, we're going to hit them fat or thin every single time. Every single time. The other thing I want you to check out, bud, I want you to check out your ball position. You got to get your ball position with your shorter irons. Start with your six and seven iron, put a dead center of your stance.

With your eight and your nine iron, and your, I'm not sure if you have this trouble with your wedge. I want that ball back to your left-hander, so it's going to go back towards your left foot. Just so, ever so slightly. And then make that swing, feeling like your chest is pointing to the ground, just a second longer, and boom, that ball's going to go straight up in the air. Remember, in order to get the ball up, You almost have to feel like he hit down on it.

So that that's keeping your chest. Pointing at the ground just a second or so longer is going to help fix that. Good. I'll give that a run, see how that goes, because pretty much when I get it, All my ball is in center of my swing. I don't put anything behind or in front.

Everything's right in the middle.

So I'll give that a run where you put it a little bit farther behind. Just a tiny bit. But the bigger thing, Tim, is that chest. And keep that chest feel like it's pointed straight at the ball, straight at the ground for just a second longer before you start spinning and trying to get out of the way. Got it.

Got it. And you know how we sign off on Whack and Chase Tim? If this advice helps you. Call us, write us, send us money, tell everyone you know. But if it doesn't and you keep sculling those six, seven, eight, nine irons, tell them we never met.

I'll try it. I'll see what I can do. I sure appreciate your help, though. Appreciate it, Tim. Let us hear from you, Tim.

Thank you, Tim. You got it. See ya. Bye-bye.

Well, that's going to do it. The whacking chase is just something you just really don't know what these guys are going to say. It's fun to. To be plugged into them. Pearlie, thanks again for being with me.

Meet, thanks for keeping us on track. Everyone out there, thank you so much for listening. You want to get involved with Wack and Chase, just reach out to me, Jay at jdelsongolf.com. Hit him straight, Tan Lewis. That was Golf with Jay Delsing, brought to you by Whitmore Country Club.

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