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Today were going to address a very serious topic, one that isn't appropriate for younger listeners.
There is a type of abortion that's advertised as safe and easy. Simply taking a pill but the tragic reality is far from our youth like 8:06 eight I saw it was horrible. I remember what it was like I was crying. This is Focus on the Family with focus president Dr. Jim Daly and I'm John Fuller, John, that woman's comment is heartbreaking.
Abortion is never easy because a life is been terminated. That's a simple fact that's the truth and there are consequences like the pain and anguish she was describing their far too many women, men and families have gone through that and often suffering for decades afterwards and I want to say upfront if you've experienced an abortion. There is hope for you is not hopeless. God doesn't condemn you. He still loves and cherishes you.
And even if you can't believe what I'm saying right now. Forgiveness and healing are available to you and I hope you'll contact us here Focus on the Family for that kind of hope and help. At the conclusion of our program and our goal today is prevention and stopping a medical abortion before it begins, or in some cases impossible rescuing a baby and mother who have already started the process that we have two guests who were going to help us better understand what the abortion pill reversal is and how it works in our guests are Rebecca Buhl Hagan. She is a pro-life advocate and speaker mom of three and she has quite a story to share, and also with this Dr. Bill Lile. He's a busy OB/GYN who is a staunch advocate for pro-life values.
You can check his website will link over to it for life..org he routinely speaks on these topics as well. Rebecca and Bill welcome to Focus on the Family, thank you very much and feel good to be here now. You're actually mama for you have one going on. So congratulations and good ejaculate is good news.
Let's start with you in your story you grew up in a Christian family, but ended up pregnant at the age of 17.
Describe what that situation what that circumstance was like you're in a Christian home. At that point, despite being Christian and despite my parents and on the worship team. We never talked about relationships or abortion and that was quite shocking to find out I'm pregnant and thinking P what do I do next was a reason for that in your home actually wife and I didn't realize that was rooted in such deep shame that my mom had actually forced to have three portions nature so that for her. I mean, I can only imagine she just didn't want to go there may be emotionally couldn't go there but that left you with only questions right exactly and that's tough. You chose to give life to your child and you married your boyfriend, but he was abusive and abandoned slow family that you started at 18 correct right and I think you discovered you were pregnant. Once again, after you broken up with your husband is at right. You're absolutely right. This all happened in really less than a year's I delivered that baby turned 18, got married that relationship turns 87 dissolved and right at that time found out I was pregnant again and I assure Rebecca because it never going through the kind of the clinical aspects of this, but what were you feeling and thinking. I'm sure there may be 17, 18, 19-year-old that's listening now, and she's in that spot connect with her. What were your motions like at the time I lays terrified. I knew now how hard it was to have a child and to be a single mom. I was scared of letting my family down and I thought really and only have panic and fear that abortion was my only way out of this.
It was the only option you did you talk with your mom at this point, now or could you not do that now. At this point I definitely couldn't talk to any member of my family.
I had no wise counsel.
I felt comfortable speaking with and so unfortunately, during this time I was isolating.
Obviously, being blinded by Satan and wasn't confiding in anyone they had no real support in that way. So you find out you're pregnant with your second child and your agonizing over the decision. What happened so basically from the moment I found I was pregnant, which I took a pregnancy test at a grocery store bathroom alone before even walking out of that grocery store knew I had to have an abortion. And so, like so many young girls steel. I turned to the Internet on my phone and typed in abortion clinics near me also learned about medication abortion and found out how it was marketed as easy and convenient and cheaper, easier to hide. Less painful.
Overall, less invasive and so immediately sought out medication abortion bill.
You're the doctor. What is that medication abortion the medication itself is called mifepristone also known as RU-486 and it is a very effective blocker of a hormone called progesterone progesterone. If you break that word down Pro just around project station. This is the conductor of the orchestra pregnancy that organizes everything and says our new full-time job supporting this pregnancy are you 46 blocks that signal separates the pregnancy from the mother and then allows for the cervix to open up in the uterus to contract and the baby is passed away and is delivered and, unfortunately, usually in your home in the bathroom correcting the toilet and that's the truth. Rebecca you say that abortion clinic workers are trained to listen to your words, but not your feelings. I get it, but describe sure.
So when you walk into an abortion clinic like I did, and say I want an abortion. That's all they're offering. And so I take full responsibility for my part in making that decision. However, I will also say I was not counseled I was not warned of the emotional, physical, spiritual, aftermath that this type of decision could possibly have later in life and they're not asking you who are you how did you get yourself in this position to make sure that you really are making what they would call and informed, confident decision because I wasn't informed or confident. I was there at the lack of options scared right, not knowing what to do exactly Rebecca. I've got asked that question. You know we we can ask this question very awkward way. Where was God in your story, God is always there. Were you in your relationship with God.
At this point was he to speak into your heart was anybody kind of aware and reaching out to you and no one was aware, so no one could reach out to me. Fortunately, and that's one of the problems when living in Santos. We do keep ourselves so isolated. However, I knew God I previously had a relationship with Jesus. And I certainly wasn't looking for him in the situation.
In fact, I think I was avoiding him so as I look back now, after years after, I can see where he lives there were several things that came up that prevented me from going through with the abortion.
Initially, several appointments that got canceled and I now see as God. But back then I thought it was frustrating and I grew even more frantic in the abortion clinic was constantly reminding me at that time, you only have nine weeks to go through this decision. We really have to get this process, the pressure was on.
I want to hold you know the end of the story and Morgan here that just a moment Bill this is par for you and I had dinner and you were sharing with me a lot of information and I so appreciate that one of the things you shared with me was this observation of an abortion minded woman and comparing that to people who jumped off the Golden gate Bridge retell that for me is how does that connect the Golden gate Bridge is a focal point for people who want to commit suicide for whatever reason, since the golden gate bridge was constructed over 1800 people have jumped to commit suicide on the Golden gate Bridge. It is 220 feet to the bottom and the vast majority will die. They have just spent $210 million on a system to try to prevent people from jumping, but the people walk out onto that bridge and their mindset is nobody loves me nobody cares forming this world would be better without my life and I jump off that bridge. While some people survive in a psychologist actually track down 29 people who had jumped off the Golden gate Bridge and had miraculously survived.
If you want to know what was going on in their minds before they jumped and what do they think now 29 of those 29 people as soon as they jumped off the bridge and I saw the bridge up above had immediate regrets and they cried out to God. I don't want to die. Every problem that they had in their life. They realize they could fix except for this one problem or they are now falling off the Golden gate Bridge.
So do people have regrets. S and I think that when people take the abortion pill and they contact our hotline. A lot of times those regrets are immediate where they walked into the clinic. Nobody loves me nobody cares forming the world be better off without my baby the exact same thoughts assembly would have fully committed suicide, and then right after they take that pill they start to have regrets and they look for options.
We have a website which is abortion pill reversal.com and we also have a toll-free number 877-558-0333 where we have a registered nurse that is on line 24 seven. Who will take the information and then put you in contact with the physician that is geographically close to you can go over the information counsel you and then can prescribe the appropriate medication to reverse the effect of the abortion pill so we have a healthy mom and a healthy baby and that hotline number again is 877-558-0333 and will post that number and the website information at our website so people can find it easily. Rebecca, I want to return your story. You were determined to get the abortion here in this dark place.
Thank you for sharing that and the vulnerability of this very admirable of you position to be many women listening that may be in exactly the spot you were in. So I appreciate it.
You took the first pill and what happened.
I did so I took the first abortion pill and I remember that sitting there in the Planned Parenthood clinic and I started to kind of tear up that nurse practitioner that had given me the first abortion pill side just because your side doesn't mean you're making the wrong decision, and right before I take it she said, but once you get this snuggling back. I just said okay and so I took the first panel I walked out of the clinic with the second set of medication and I was told to take it.
Once comfortable 24 hours later. The following day, and by the time I got to my car which immediately took you now 90 seconds or so. It was like everything in the best way I can describe a person that is making the decision to have an abortion.
What goes through her mind is similar to how Dr. Lyle described how people who are about to jump off a bridge and commit suicide think and it's your walking down this path and it seems wildly seems illuminated and all of a sudden you make this turn you make that choice and it's like all of that light goes out and you realize it was actually Satan and he says gotcha and now you no pain and no grief and how you know what it's like to really regret having just had an abortion and taking the life of your child while you said so much there so well. The emptiness of the race feeling like one of my done right and people abortion providers especially make it seem like no woman ever goes into this underinformed very few women ever regret their decision or change their mind and it's just simply not the truth. Rights propaganda right to make the machine work for them.
How did God reach your heart you beautifully describe the sense that you were going down the road to darkness, taking the life of your child how to God grab you while still sitting in my car outside of this abortion clinic.
I knew I couldn't go back in there and I just prayed to God and I think there's a way out of this. Please help me find it. If not, please help me to forgive myself and it dawned on me, and I really think it was no coincidence that it was in this moment that I began to really think about this the day I took the first abortion panel lights March 13, 2013 and the following day the Damas set to complete the abortion where the pregnancy was supposed to expound was March 14 and that was my son Eli's first birthday and I quickly realized my gosh. March 14 will forever be a day that I literally brought one baby into this world and took another one out and it was about five that made me think you have to do something different.
You have to go back.
You have to find a way out of this. And what did you do to find your way out practically after prank which I highly recommend before turning to Google right.
I turned to the Internet and I started typing in things like I took the first abortion pill and I change my mind after while seeing women just like me post similar questions. I found the website that Dr. Lyle mentioned abortion pill reversal.com. I called the hotline number.
That's fantastic. It lasts and when I called.
I spoke to a nurse at the pregnancy center in San Diego, which weighs about eight hours away from me in Sacramento and she was calm and responsive and asked me questions the abortion provider never did. How did you get here and why did you think this is the only option. What is your home life like your spiritual life like and why have you now change your mind and then she started talking to me about abortion pill reversal powerful.
I'm tearing up. Sorry. I'm just going while this is good. It was amazing. It was one of those moments when you look back and you know she was led by the Holy Spirit. It was a an ordained conversation and I didn't even realize lies throughout this whole process.
I was even told what the abortion pill actually did to my body. I was actually told that 24 hours later I was going home to take a medication that women are given when they're in active labor. I was so frustrated that I was so misled and underinformed and now she became the person I could trust this is your go to person, which is beautiful. That's how it should work right Bill, what is that reversal medically. What's going on there to better inform women and their husbands will be all you 46 walks the hormone progesterone.
We actually reverse that by supplementing with more progesterone progesterone that we can use is bio identical to the progesterone made by the woman's body.
It is made from jams and is made from soybeans. It's about as natural as can be and is identical. We raise the level of progesterone and overwhelm the body. So the woman's body will at first say hey were pregnant, then there given the are you 46 and then there's that the signals lost in the bodies of I guess were not pregnant will then we give more progesterone in the body responses. No, it's okay. We are pregnant and so all the support for the pregnancy is then reestablished into Rebecca's point. What is that window of time. Sooner is better.
We have been very effective within the first 72 hours impact our success rate of reversing an abortion pill is about 70%. If we can initiate reversal therapy within the first 72 hours and this is a can be a pregnancy up to 10 weeks, which is very different from the morning-after pill, which is 72 hours. This is 70 days from the first day the last menstrual period that is so good that John let people know how they can get a hold of us again website you if as you're listening you're thinking I really want that website. Stop by hours and will link over to all the detail in the episode notes as well. Rebecca folks are thinking okay were shipped today what happened.
Describe your family share. So thankfully I did take a nice about nurse we found a physician stayed on the progesterone reversal regimen.
Dr. Lyle just talked about and maintain a healthy pregnancy, a full 40 weeks and delivered another little boy and his name is Zachariah which means the Lord remembers because clearly as I look back on this story in our experience, I see God's hand over it all and Zachariah will be seven this year 2020 and he despite what the abortion clinic told me that you have severe abnormalities or that I would probably miscarry. He's perfectly healthy.
He starting football, I married a football coach hasn't subsided teal thrown in there on the field and we had a little girl last June and are expecting another little boy this year. Fantastic and now you have no regrets. Absolutely not.
I am so thankful for abortion. However cell and for the physicians and the nurses that went before me made it possible for story to have ended this way I want to pick up on one thing Rebecca said one patients who have taken your you. 46.
Contact their abortion clinic there too often told that there's nothing that can be done and if something is attempted, the baby will have lots of birth defects. There is no evidence of that is readily allergic is a fear tactic. Even the FDA and a cog have announced because it doesn't work all the time 2% of the time the policy does not work on taking the life the baby. There is no evidence that this causes birth defects at work because a teratogenic effect. So the reversal medication is safe in pregnancy, even though the abortion pill will take the life of the baby when we reverse it. There's no evidence that it causes birth defects in the baby again healthy moms healthy babies. Bill your passion in this space is wonderful.
But let's take a moment and deconstruct the arguments of the other side when they talk about it being safe and it being simple and no regrets everything that Rebecca just shared what do you see in your practice from women reps to have an abortion in their background. What is the truth of what women experience the truth is, my wife and I've had four miscarriages. We've seen the heartbeat and then we had a miscarriage knowing that happened four times and so we understand what it's like to go through that process. This is a medical induction of a miscarriage where the support for the pregnancy is taken away and then contractions are forced onto the woman's body when I'm inducing somebody a term she's 40 weeks has an 8 pound baby inside the medicine that I use the missa Postel used 25 µg when somebody is going through the abortion pill process. It's not 25 µg it's between 400 and 800 µg of the same medication because the contractions of the pain from the contractions is intense.
The bleeding is there the clotting and usually just like you and said they are home.
They are alone, they might be in their dorm they might be in their bathroom. It's a miserable experience, which is why a lot of this medication is given out at the end of the week. The clinics are closed on the weekend.
There's nobody to call. By the time Monday rolls around, everything is already done. There can there be further complications. In that moment. I'm thinking of a couple women's testimonies that I've heard where you can have things go wrong in that private moment after you've taken the additional medication sure you can be excessive bleeding hemorrhaging complications.
In addition to the pain that is there and when they are experience that there's nobody to turn to.
There was a psychological article that was part of the Journal of obstetrics and gynecology, as was January of this year and they looked at women who had had either a first trimester miscarriage or a first trimester, ectopic pregnancy, one month after that experience, 28% of them had classic defined PTSD from that experience. Nine months later 18% of those women still had classic PTSD symptoms from that miscarriage. These were events where they did not choose to have this, but they still had the psychological impact of the loss of that pregnancy with this. This is a women's health issue. Physically, yes, but also mentally. Yes, because if somebody is having these sort of symptoms. Nine months later. Then with a miscarriage or with an ectopic pregnancy. Surely, when they have made the decision to cause this loss of life there about me having similar symptoms. That is so profound and you know the goal here is to value life in this culture unfortunately and globally. Because of the work of Planned Parenthood and other abortion industry clinics. I mean they they are convincing women that this is the way to go, and it's so unfortunate because what you see on the other side is a lot of misery in the course and they attack us like Focus on the Family and say that if you didn't put that stigma on these women, then there wouldn't be a problem.
It's kind like saying if you wouldn't allow the Holy Spirit to convict everything would be fine. Will send is not fine.
And forgiveness is the goal, and you know we need to recognize that and be bold enough to talk about that God doesn't condemn women are in terrible positions often being influenced by the husband or boyfriend to get the abortion. That's a common pattern and so we are all guilty, correct is a culture that were not doing enough to wake the culture up and say this is about protecting babies.
These are human beings and men. God bless you for your efforts.
As I've said before, Rebecca got plus you for that decision you've made. Can I give you that opportunity to speak to that woman who's contemplating abortion right now. What would you say to her what I often tell women and girls that are contemplating abortion is. I know exactly how it feels to be in your position. I know what it feels like to think and truly believe that there is nowhere to turn.
You have no one and I know now, especially now that I work in the pregnancy center ministry.
I was so wrong and that there are so many people out there who love and care about you in the situation who love and care about your baby. I also have seen even with my own mom the great pain and grief and regret that comes the decision like that and I know that you are being told as a patient.
That's considering abortion and sell really.
There are so many resources for you and even I am willing to walk alongside you physicians like Dr. Lyle right here are willing to walk alongside you and you do have other options other than abortion and hopefully our contribution can be to get the word out and make more people aware of those resources that are available to them. Thank you both for being with us today to push. Thank you and we trust that you've heard the heart and desire we have to help you if you're facing a crisis with your pregnancy or you know someone in that situation were available here at Focus on the Family and we have all the information and resources that we mentioned on the broadcast today.
Our number is 800 K in the word family 800-232-6459. And of course your call is confidential and be privileged to offer whatever help we can.
You can also find resources and help in the episode notes John, we need to remind our listeners about the huge online event coming September 26 we call it sea life 2020 is just three weeks away again.
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