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Good morning. Jane Pauley is off this weekend. I'm Mo Raka, and this is Sunday morning. Question. Are you happy with your paycheck?

How you and millions of other Americans answer that question could play an important role in determining who wins the White House this November. By most measures, the economy is strong, but too many workers just don't think they're getting their fair share. One recent victory has given wage earners across the country hope. Back in November, the United Auto Workers' Union won a historic new contract, including a big boost in pay. This morning, Robert Costa catches up with the man front and center in the fight for workers' rights, UAW President Sean Fane.

Union strike! Union strike! Thousands of workers in fields from health care to manufacturing hit the picket lines last year, making 2023 the year of the strike. Working-class people have to realize we have the power. United Auto Workers President Sean Fane led his union to success in their strike.

The billionaires can build all the plants they want. If we withhold our labor, nothing's going to move. Coming up on Sunday morning, Sean Fane walking the union lines. Rod Stewart is a rock legend who seems to have done it all. But for his new album, Mark Phillips tells us he's trying something completely different.

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When's the last time you saw Brian's song? Years ago. I don't really like watching myself, to tell you the truth. How do I get you past that? Mm-hmm.

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Earlier this month, President Joe Biden paid a visit to the critical battleground state of Michigan. He came to Detroit, Motor City, to court union voters. You know what the hell is going to happen if this man's not president? Because we've seen what happened. Labor went backwards.

Biden had just won the United Auto Workers' endorsement, and he was eager to share the spotlight with UAW President Sean Fane. You all are the ones that bring me to the dance. And I never left you. I never left you. Tells me that he wants to ramp up his fight, not just with auto companies, but with corporate leaders nationwide over unions and workers' rights.

Are you with him? Absolutely positively. Look, I don't have anything against corporations. They just got to start paying their fair share. And the idea we have a thousand billionaires paying an average of 8.2% in federal tax, come on, man.

Wall Street didn't build the country. The middle class built the country. Last September, Biden was the first sitting president to walk a union picket line. showing his support for the unprecedented six-week walkout. At all of the big three car makers.

General Motors reached a tentative agreement and the UAW went on to win historic contracts for 150,000 of its members. Making Sean Fane the standard-bearer for the labor movement's comeback in 2023. This is what happens when workers get power. When the workers got this union back, they were able to elect their top leadership for the first time in history. Then we saw massive change in a short amount of time, and we're going to continue to do that.

They elected you. You've shaken up the place.

Well, that's what they elected me for. Fain was the first UAW president elected directly by membership. Unions from the And within months, he'd led shutdowns on assembly lines at Ford, GM, and Chrysler Jeep parent company Stellantis. That's why we keep filing the offers in their proper filing cabinet back here, and we'll just keep filling that thing up until they want to get serious. He broke with tradition by broadcasting updates via Facebook to union members and the world at large.

All three companies wanted concessions on profit sharing. And we said, hell no. Why bring people into the process when usually these negotiations happen behind closed doors? It was important to us to be open and transparent with the membership, not just in bargaining, but just in everything we're doing. The union's new contracts not only make up for pay cuts workers took more than 15 years ago during the Great Recession, they provide a foothold for the union in Detroit's electric vehicle future.

Ford CEO Jim Farley recently warned the contracts will have, quote, a business impact on the automaker. Fane says impact is what he's all about. I remember my grandfather talking about the 110-day strike at Chrysler back in 1950 to get pensions. A native of Kokomo, Indiana, the 55-year-old came up the ranks as an electrician and still carries his grandfather's Union Pay stub in his pocket. If you would ask me when I was in high school, are you going to be an electrician one day?

I would have laughed and been like, are you kidding me? I went on unemployment a few times and dealt with that system. When my first daughter was born, we were getting wick. We were getting formula and diapers. It was a humbling experience.

But experiences like that, they laid a groundwork for me for what was important in life and why things mattered and why wages mattered, why having good jobs mattered, why having good benefits mattered. From Hollywood actors and writers to hotel and hospital workers, even neighborhood baristas, last year's labor protests were like a damn bursting. From 2021 to 2023, the big three automakers took in over $100 billion in profits. while average auto worker pay has fallen nearly twenty percent from prerecession levels. What gave us power at the bargaining table was the companies saw how eager members were to go out on strike.

And when we were calling plants to go out on strike, the plants that didn't get called were disappointed. It was just a matter of when and how long it was going to take because I knew our members had the resolve to make it happen. This was our generation's defining moment. If unions don't run the kind of campaigns that force employers to come to the table and bargain with them because the cost of not bargaining with them is greater than the cost of bargaining with them, they aren't going to be able to build their power and organize more workers. Workers aren't stupid.

They know that the companies weren't going to give them that bump. Kate Broffenbrenner is a professor at Cornell University School of Industrial and Labor Relations. She notes the American public sided overwhelmingly with striking auto workers. They had given huge concessions in 2007.

Now the companies were making money and they weren't sharing it. They had risked their lives during COVID. And so he did a very good job of getting the public to see those issues. This was about something that was fair and this was just, and that we're living in a time where corporations are taking too much. Do you think some of these Corporate leaders.

Misunderstand you, you're mild-mannered, you're professional, you have glasses on. Nice guy. But you also rail against the billionaire class, and you wear t-shirts at times that say, eat the rich. I don't think billionaires should exist. No one needs that much money.

I think it's inhumane. Pick any city, walk around, you know, you see people starving, people without basic necessities. There's no excuse for that. And it's not because people are lazy or don't want to work. The billionaires that keep amassing more and more wealth so they can build rocket ships and do whatever the hell they want to do, that does nothing for humanity.

Your critics say that's class warfare. Yeah, class warfare has been going on in this country for the last 40 years. The billionaire class has been taking everything and leaving the working class with nothing.

So you welcome it. You want the war. It's always, whenever working class people ever step up and say this is wrong, we want it to stop, all of a sudden, oh, it's class warfare, it's the end of the world. If there is a labor war being waged in America, the front lines are here. Right for Chad Newton.

in the non-union factories of the Midwest and South. Out of Union! Volkswagen's plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, builds their latest electric cars, and it's a top target of UAW organizers. When the company uses fear, we're going to come back with facts. And these are the facts.

You know, Volkswagen made $78 billion since 2020 in profit. They paid out $24 billion in dividends to corporate executives and shareholders. The CEO of Volkswagen makes $12 million a year. The UAW has tried twice before in the past decade to organize here. What's changed since then?

After the UAW's recent victories, non-union automakers, including Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, and VW, offered raises too. I respect the work you're doing, man. Oh, thanks, Mike. But the extra pay came without the union's benefits or job protections. You just had the strike with the big three.

Why not take it down a notch? Why come into this tough territory in the South? Oh, there's no, we don't ever rest. I mean, that's workers deserve justice. He wouldn't take the letter.

We were there in December when workers tried to petition management for a meeting with organizers. Volkswagen tells Sunday morning they respect workers' democratic right to determine who should represent their interests. The unions. But Volkswagen worker Sean Lawler says skepticism of the UAW runs deep in the community. How does your family see unions?

They don't see it as a good opportunity. They see layoffs. What do they call unions? They call them communists. They call them communists?

Yes. Volkswagen works the same way all over the world. Still, after the UAW's success last year. 13-year Volkswagen employee Vicki Holloway says the union's time has come. I really think we have a chance this time.

Unless your eyes are just closed and your ears. and you just don't hear anything, then you realize that we do need a union. The UAW now says a union vote in Chattanooga is approaching. It will be another defining moment for Sean Fane. and for the American labor movement.

You know, organized labor led the way for the American dream. And that's fallen by the wayside over the last 40 years. And it is our obligation to humanity to change that. You're not going to give up on that? Not at all.

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Not so much. Until now. In New York's Hudson Valley, in the village of Kinderhook, sits a lovely estate called Lindenwald, once home to Martin Van Buren. And if you don't know who that is, you're in good company. What is something you know about Martin Van Buren, if anything?

He was a president. He was a president. Thank you. Eighth president. 1840, I think he was.

1837, 1837. Yes, Martin Van Buren was our eighth president and the first to be born an American citizen, which is more than guide Zach Anderson knew when he applied for a job here.

So I had to kind of admit to my boss over the phone that I was only 85% certain that he was even a president.

So it was not my proudest shining moment. Old Kinderhook. Ranger Zach has since become an expert on the man nicknamed Old Kinderhook. He's the only president who. He is the only president who spoke Dutch as his first language.

One of only two presidents. To never serve in the military or attend college. Who's the other? Other would be Grover Cleveland. He holds the record for being tied for second shortest American president.

I know. Tyde, he stands at 5'6 with Monroe, and then Madison takes the crown for being short as a 5'4 ⁇. But in the facial hair department, Martin Van Buren is second to no one. This is actually Martin Van Buren's shaving stand. It is original.

He has some of the wildest facial hair to ever grace the White House. At Lindenwald, they call them not mutton chops, but marten chops. Let's talk about those. Sideburns doesn't do it justice. They really defy gravity.

Right. They are remarkable. They stretch out. If he couldn't claim vertical space, he's claiming some horizontal space. Historian Ted Widmer wrote a biography of Martin Van Buren.

I was attracted to the idea of trying to make an obscure president a little bit less obscure. And I think I succeeded in that very small goal. I don't think I made him famous. In fact, it's 15 years since I wrote the book, and you are the first people to have found me. That's what we're here for.

That's our beat.

So there I am at the end of the day. Van Buren did enjoy a brief moment in the pop culture spotlight on Seinfeld. I'm taking on the entire Van Buren boys. Van Buren boys? Yeah.

There's a street gang named after President Martin Van Buren. Oh, yeah, and they're just as mean as he was. I'll just do the secret sign briefly. That's the eight fingers for the eighth president.

Well, what does that mean? The owner was a former Van B-board. I'm not allowed to talk any more about it. Such a secretive society. Understood.

But Widmer says in office Van Buren was more than a punch line. Van Buren deserves credit for inventing our two-party system, which is nowhere in the founding documents. And in fact, the founders, most of them, said it would be a terrible thing if we had parties. And Van Buren comes along and says, no, these are a positive good. When one party gets too powerful, it's good to have the other party start to rise up again.

Although he may have seemed to the manor-born, Van Buren was actually the son of a tavern keeper. A striver, he rose quickly through the ranks. Senator, Secretary of State, and then vice president to the original populist president, Andrew Jackson. Their personalities, at least their images, could not be more different. That's right.

Van Buren, he's short and sort of stout. Jackson is tall and emaciated and kind of a Clint Eastwood, sort of tough guy. Van Buren is much more of a politician, and he knows everybody in Washington in a way that Andrew Jackson does not.

So Van Buren was better at going out and talking over politics and getting the Jacksonian program through Congress, which is a part of being a successful president.

So why is Martin Van Buren considered such a mediocre president?

Well, you might say it was the economy, stupid. Just weeks after taking the oath of office, the panic of eighteen thirty seven set in, a financial crisis that triggered a six year depression. It's incredible how how fast he fell, given how high high he had climbed up. It was during his administration that Van Buren purchased his lavish for the time home with one of the very first and certainly most attractive presidential flush toilets. That toilet wall is gorgeous.

It is. It's very unique, very different than what you're used to nowadays. This was considered very fancy. Definitely, yes. To have indoor plumbing in it was almost kind of unheard of.

The house is called Lindenwald. Maybe it should be called Martin-A-Lago. A hand-painted toilet bowl. It's just a little over the top. It's a little over the top.

It did not set well with the American public, and that probably was the nail in the coffin for his failed re-election attempt to come 1840. after which Martin Van Buren returned home to entertain and hold court in his capacious dining room. This is actually the only room left in the house with original wallpaper still on the walls. That is just not something to breeze past. Definitely.

Wallpaper that's been up for about 180 years. For sure. FYI, if you want your home to look like Martin Van Buren's, this wallpaper is still available from Zuber, the manufacturer. Wait until the end of this segment before you log on to get your own. Yes.

Van Buren would run for the White House two more times, both times unsuccessfully. He'd travel extensively in Europe, write his autobiography, and enjoy farming, fishing, and his family. In 1862, at age 79, Martin Van Buren died. by most accounts, content. I thought he made a good point, which is that you can have a dismal presidency and a successful life.

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Well, he seems very friendly. Yes. Very friendly. What are you doing here? As smooth operator Lando Calrissian in the Star Wars franchise, Billy D.

Williams made movie history. But that's just one of his standout roles. And this morning, he's looking back at life on screen and off with our man in Hollywood. Ben Mankiewicz. Yeah.

Yeah. Valentine's Day at the historic Schomburg Center in Harlem. served as the perfect backdrop for Billie D. Williams fans to show their love. You became our sex symbol, right?

Williams, now 86, helped define the modern romantic leading man on the big screen. First in 1972, opposite Diana Ross in Lady Sings the Blues. You want my own fall off? Then again three years later in mahogany. Success is not Nothing without someone you love to share it with.

and I decided to become a romantic figure on the screen.

So that was a literal decision to become a menu? Yeah, I wanted to. I've always wanted to be. I used to tell my mom, I want to be like Rudolph Valentino. Billy D.

Williams didn't stop at Rudolph Valentino. He added a little Errol Flynn, a suave swashbuckler in a cape. in the Empire Strikes Back. Hello, what have we here? That line became the title of his new memoir.

It details his public and personal life, His close friendship with James Baldwin. backstage conversations with Laurence Olivier, His love of being in love. The way you wrote about it, you go, I had a weakness when it came to love and romance. First moment of eye contact, a glance indicating interest, a mischievous smile, a sexy walk, a playful touch. That was my song.

Yeah, well, that's all very true. Yet for all that charm and sex appeal, the Williams convinced me. He's shy. I I'm really very insecure. It's strange considering what you do, right?

You give yourself in front of a camera with all these people watching, you become someone else, you emote. You cry, you get angry.

Well, maybe that's why I become someone else because I'm really insecure. Easier to be someone else than to be Billy D. Williams. Yeah. Because I don't really like to talk about myself and I like to keep to myself.

Still, he's written a pretty revealing memoir, discussing his relationships, his children. is three marriages. Did that contribute, you think, to some relationships not working out long term, your sort of unwillingness to open up? I'm just a philanderer, you know. I mean.

Or there's that. Was it a big change moving out here? Oh yeah, absolutely. Are you kidding? Williams moved to Los Angeles in 1970.

but he's a New Yorker. He grew up across the street from Central Park. His parents called him Sonny. His dad worked three jobs. His mother had a beautiful singing voice.

She's the one who wanted to be in Showbiz. I never really looked to be an actor. He set out to be a painter. He was good, too. landed a scholarship at the National Academy of Design.

then a chance meeting with a CBS casting agent led to an acting gig. The rolls just kept coming. And all of a sudden, I found myself going in that direction. I always said, you know, every time I wanted to go right, something would say, no, no, Billy, go left. Here you go.

Thanks. He went left. Then cut back right in 1971. Landing a part that changed his life. playing Chicago Bears running back Gail Sayers in the TV movie Brian Song.

Well that whole experience for me, as I describe it, was an act of love. Brian's song is the true story of the relationship between Sayers and a teammate, Brian Piccolo. Played by James Conn. Sayers and Piccolo became friends and the first interracial roommates in the NFL. Then came Piccolo's terminal cancer diagnosis.

I love brown piccolo. And I'd like all of you to love him too. Fifty-five million Americans tuned in. To say it had an impact is an understatement. You've had people come up to you and say, I never thought I could connect with a black guy like that.

a gentleman that I ran into who was a bigot, who would not socialize with black folks. He was so deeply touched. It changed his whole perspective on things. Perspectives in Hollywood, though, change slowly. After his success in the early 70s, Williams expected job offers to pour in.

After all, he'd earned the nickname the Black Clark Gable. But it wasn't true. Because you lacked something that Clark Gable had. Right. which was opportunity.

It is frustrating, there's no question about it. But you know, you take a negative and you try to see what you can do with it and maybe Turn it around in some kind of a interesting fashion. Williams did more than turn the situation around. He just kept looking for compelling characters to play. I wanted to do the full spectrum of colors.

You know, that's how I see myself. He found such a character when George Lucas called with an offer to work in a galaxy far, far away as Lando Calrissian in The Empire Strikes Back. Look, someone's up there. the first black character in the Star Wars universe. Williams, though, saw him as something else.

How did you think of Lando?

Well, you know, when I heard the uh name Calrusian. I said, whoa, Armenian, whoa, let me see what I can do with this. And then I got the cape, and I thought, whoa, Earl Flint. By the end of the movie, Lando is clearly a good guy. But millions of Star Wars fans still saw him as the villain who handed Hans Solo to Darth Vader.

I had no choice. They arrived right before you did. I'm sorry. I picked my daughter up from school. Kids running after me.

You betrayed Han Solo. Yeah, go on an airplane. And I'd have a flight attendant. You betrayed Han Solo. I mean, it was crazy.

Crazier still is that this talented actor with a 60-plus-year career might be best known to a certain generation. my generation for a string of beer commercials in the 1980s. There are two rules to remember if you want to have a good time. Rule number one, never run out of Code 45. Number two, don't forget rule number one.

I mean, I've remembered that. It works every time. You still got it. He still had it at 77 on Dancing with the Stars. And at 82.

returning to Fly the Millennium Falcon as Lando Calrissian. Hold on, Joey. For a shy and insecure man, Billy D. Williams sure has plenty to say. In a sense, I'm surprised you wrote the book.

Well, I I said, Okay, you're you know, you're getting on in years and um I started thinking legacy. Yeah. I wanna leave some something for the grandkids. and the kids that come after. Uh that.

that they understand. Who Billy D. Williams was. And I want people to know that, you know, I didn't. approach life feeling like a victim.

I just went on an ad an adventure. More than 100 years ago, a shameful and deadly chapter in American military history played out in a Texas courtroom. National Security correspondent David Martin reports on making amends. For justice denied. The Veterans Cemetery at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, Texas looks like many others: headstones with name, rank, dates of birth, and death.

And wars fought.

So these all tell a story. Until you reach this road. Ours don't have a story. They just have name and date of death. This is my cousin William C.

Nesbitt. Yes, sir. Charles Anderson's cousin Sergeant William Nesbitt and Angela Holder's great uncle Corporal Jesse Moore, both memorialized only by the date December 11th, 1917. The first time I came here, I touched the headstones and I said, old man, this should not have happened to you, but I'm going to do something about that. She first heard what happened at Jesse Moore from her great-aunt Lovey.

She had a photograph of him in her home and I was a six-year-old kid running through the house and on this particular day it caught my attention and I asked my aunt, who was that, why you have his picture and all. What were you told? I was told that that was her brother. Who had been killed by the Army? Killed in the largest mass execution in the history of the Army.

13 black soldiers convicted of mutiny and murder and hanged with no chance of appeal. Six more hangings would follow. My great uncle To think that he was standing. On A trap. Door.

that was going to fall off of mud to him. And his body weight snaps his neck. That really gets to me. The post engineers had worked all night erecting a scaffold. uh with a fairly unique design because it was a one large single trap door.

for a simultaneous hanging. John Heyman is a former soldier turned historian. Just before sunrise, they were hanged. And once the execution was over, Uh their bodies were each placed in plain pine coffins. The gallows were erected on what is today the Fort Sam Houston Golf Course.

The bodies buried a short distance away. For twenty years, their graves marked only by a number. While they were being buried, the engineers began dismantling the scaffold. And by Noon. There was no sign.

that there had been anything that happened. They were members of the all-black Twenty Fourth Infantry Regiment, which had served in Mexico and the Philippines. And that's T.C. Hawkins, and that's his older brother who went into service. before him.

Private first class Thomas Coleman Hawkins was Jason Holt's great uncle. This is T C Hawkins and that's A friend of his. The bravado that's associated with being a military man, you can see it's in full effect right there in that picture. Was he proud of being in the Army? He was.

In 1917, one of the things that you could do to make your family proud and to make your community proud was to join the Army. After America entered World War I, troops from the 24th Infantry were sent to Houston to guard a training camp for soldiers being sent to the front in Europe. I feel as though they should have never been sent there to begin with. Never been sent to Houston? Yes, yes, sir.

Why? Jim Crow and racism. There's a phrase that I came across doing my research that Houston could be called Jim Crow's hometown. Wearing the uniform doesn't give a black soldier any immunity from Jim Crow? Not in the least, especially not in Texas.

They were never. call them soldiers. they would always call them the N-word. A series of run-ins with white police and a false rumor that the black soldiers were about to be attacked set off a race riot. All of a sudden, Someone shouted, get your guns boys, there's a mob coming.

And instantly pandemonium breaks out. And this was the first race ride in which you had more white people. than black people killed. The soldiers of the Twenty Fourth were placed under arrest and marched out of town. When T.

C. Hawkins' mother asked the army about her son, the reply said only He was present serving with his organization. They don't mention Any of the things that happened, they don't mention that he's about to be on trial. About to be on trial for his life. for a capital crime.

The first and largest of three courts-martial was held here. sixty three soldiers, charged with mutiny and murder. 63 Men is the largest murder trial not only in the U.S. Army's history, it's the largest murder trial in American history. Those who would decide the case were all white.

That man sitting by himself, Major Harry Greer, was the lone defense counsel, and he was not even an attorney. If you say that one person who's not even a lawyer. defended sixty three people at one time. On his face is a miscarriage of justice. He was allowed only ten days to prepare his case for the defense.

Thirteen were condemned to death, but the commanding general, John Ruckman, kept that verdict secret from them until twelve hours before their execution. When this letter reaches you, I will be beyond the veil of sorrow. That night, T.C. Hawkins wrote his family a final letter, which has been passed down through the generations. I was sentenced to be hanged.

for the trouble that took place in Houston, Texas. Although I am not guilty of the crime that I am accused. One day a box showed up. at the house. and in the box.

were his personal effects. the charge sheet, And his last letter. That's how the family found out. Angela Holder and Charles Anderson finally got a chance last month to see the room. where their ancestors waited for the hangman.

And they were all in here. Yeah, 13. I can only imagine. Thirteen condemned men. Yes.

To be brought up out of a hole like this. in the basement. This space. This is all you got. And the next small space is your grave, your coffin.

But there were soldiers to the end. They didn't bend, they didn't cry. Dramatized in the television show Roots the Next Generations. Way down in Egypt land. Tell me.

And they would have preferred the firing squad overhanging. Because This is more dignified.

So they wouldn't even give them that? No. Dignity denied in death became a lifelong cause for Charles Anderson, Angela Holder, and Jason Holt.

So, when did the idea of overturning the convictions become the goal.

Well, that was always the goal. More than a century after the trials, the Army took up the case. We reviewed the entire record for all 110 soldiers that were initially court-martialed and made the determination that all 110 should be overturned. Under Secretary of the Army Gabe Camarillo says a case by case review found that none of the defendants had received a fair trial. Very few witnesses were called.

There was very little opportunity for cross-examination. was race. the deciding factor here. I think race was very much a factor, both in the circumstances leading to the events of August of 1917 and certainly in the conduct of the trial. Even by the Jim Crow standards of nineteen seventeen, justice had been denied.

Those first 13 individuals that were convicted and executed did not even receive the opportunity to appeal or review their case. What about all the other soldiers who were convicted but not sentenced to death? What happened to them? Many of them continue to serve prison sentences.

Some died while they were serving prison sentences. Can the Army really right. a wrong like this. It's never too late to correct an injustice. Private Joseph Williams, Junior Private David Wilson.

Private Ernest Wilson. In a ceremony at the Buffalo Soldiers National Museum in Houston, all the wrongly convicted soldiers of the Twenty fourth Infantry were given honorable discharges. Good morning, everyone. Angela Holder and Jason Holt were there. What price are you willing to pay?

To hold all to your honour. When our mother received the box with Jesse's coat, Bible goodbye letter and a dollar, it devastated her. and new headstones engraved for the men who were hanged. We'll have information on these headstones that reflect the service that they rendered to their country. Just like the rest of the stones here.

With that happens when they get a proper headstone. Will you feel like this is over? Yes, I have some uh completion.

some peace. We ask for forgiveness to our nation. And to our army. We're thankful. For a nation that can change that can adjust.

And make amends. This past Thursday at Fort Sam Houston, Angela Holder stood watch as proper headstones for her great uncle and the other unjustly executed soldiers were unveiled.

Now their story is told. I'm CBS News correspondent Major Garrett, host of the podcast Agent of Betrayal: The Double Life of Robert Hansen. During the Cold War, FBI agent Robert Hansen traded classified secrets to the Kremlin in exchange for cash and jewels. In the podcast, you'll hear from Hansen's closest friends, family members, victims, and colleagues for the most comprehensive telling of who Robert Hansen really was. Binge the entire series now, Agent of Betrayal.

The double life of Robert Hansen is available on the Wondery app, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Jill Schlesinger, CBS News business analyst, certified financial planner, and host of the MoneyWatch podcast. This is the show where your money is not scary. It is a show that's all about you. It's your questions that make it possible for me to provide unconventional and entertaining insights on your money and maybe more importantly, on your life.

Follow MoneyWatch wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. That's just one of the many hits that put Rod Stewart in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice.

Now he's exploring another musical genre that has him, with the help of a friend, back in the swing. Here's Mark Phillips. Here we go. It's a rare and beautiful thing when two passions shared by two people come together so happily. Look at that Chicago.

Detroit, New York. And when the results produce two kinds of fun.

Okay. Rod Stewart, rock star legend. Trains, trains. And model train enthusiast. Jules Holland, big band leader.

There it is, there it is. And model train enthusiast. The bigger the room, the more happy it will make you. How much of this did you actually build? Wow, I'd say 75% of it nearly all the buildings.

Anyway, it turns out Rod called Jules a while back to talk about trains and maybe arrange a play date, and this happened. Before the day. Just make that my video hate this behavior. Yeah. Rod and Jules decided to get together to make an album of old swing-era jazz classics from the 30s and 40s.

Yes, please. Wanna rain? Why it's So I Really? Yeah. Championship.

The old rocker meets the oldies but goodies. and they shot this little teaser video at a London train station. Yeah. Uh We've been very Aware of each other's love of modern railroads. Don't you laugh, people.

Yeah. When we meet up with each other to talk about music, it's always trains first.

So, what's happened with your layout?

Well, I'm building this, and then we get right, okay, down to the music. But I think we should keep this on track. I'm getting a signal from over there. There's a lot of platforms that's going to go out. It also turned out that when they finally got to the music, they were, yes, on the same track.

Actually, I think maybe the first one was O Marie, actually. Yep, yep. And I said, well, it's like Jerry Lee Lewis, and it's like, you know, O Marie, O'Marie, O'Marie, O'Marie. Mm-hmm.

Well the long it's in me. Block it to me. Here we go now. Scan yellow.

So the connection between 50s rock and roll and swing is very very close. They merge into each other. There's a couple of tracks on the album. Tracks. Tracks.

Very close to rock and roll. In fact, they are rock and roll. And so It's in your face. Really shows your age. And Rod should know.

Since his breakthrough hit, Maggie Mae, in 1971, Rod has sold more than 120 million records. Spin up. and a career that has spanned six decades. And it's still going. He's not only a survivor from the Age of Rock, he's a Knight of the Realm.

Sir Rock. That distinctive look and sound somehow hasn't grown old. Or too old. In my The spiky hair, the raspy, I've been out all night voice, they were choices he made. You know, I worked on it, I wanted to sound like Sam Cooke and all the great R and B singers.

And this is how it came out. If it wasn't for Sam Cooke, it wouldn't be a Rod Stewart, maybe.

So you worked on that that kind of Raspy, almost hoarsey. No, I didn't try to make it really rasp. It's just the way it came out. It's something to do with my nose and my throat and it's just a big accident. In fact, you know, I've got a broken nose here that I did when I was 19 when I was playing football.

And recently a doctor said, if we straighten this out, let me give you a nice straight nose, you may lose your voice. I said, don't touch it. No no, leave that out of them mate. I'll do with a bent nose. The point was not to look and sound like everybody else.

I am Sure. Yet the Rod Stewart act that now seems so iconic was not in the beginning an easy sell. Oh, blimey, yeah. Yeah, the first time I went to a record company, It was Decker Records way back, then Wales on nineteen. And said, You're far too rough and you look really odd 'cause I had the hair and the nose and Well you know they were all after pretty boys, pretty little boys, you know, singers.

You were the kind of antithesis of the pretty boy rocker. At the time. No, the antithetic. You were the opposite. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

but deliberately. Yeah. Yeah, well look at his face. What else could I have been but a rock singer? a rock singer who for decades led a legendary rock and roll life.

It may be eight children from five different mothers later, and he may be 79 years old. But don't ask him if he's slowing down. No, I'm not winding down. Shut up. Are you speeding up?

No, I'm not speeding up, I'm just. I mean I've got s sixt sixty odd concerts this year. It's not time for the Pipe and Slipper Club yet, you know. Everybody seems to hit a point where they say, all right, kind of enough's enough. It it's been fun.

No, not at all. It it's a drug. It's addictive in a way to get up and sing in front of, you know, five, ten, twenty thousand people every night. Send them all home happy, smiling. It's wonderful.

What a job. I don't want to give it up. Mm-hmm.

Every time it rains. Not give it up, but mellow it out maybe. Swing with the time. How has life changed for you? How do you mean?

My sex life, for instance? That blurb bring it up in your life.

Well I've been happily married now for um How many years? 2007, I got married, worked that out for me, Willie. I've been happily married. I've got a wonderful woman, wonderful children, so I've slowed down in that respect, if you know what I mean.

So I played Yeah. million pounds as well. Four and a half billion pounds were. And they're actually going out for seven and eight million. Rod now lives on his English country estate with his family, his Ferrari, and his Lamborghini.

Now people may think it's mad spend that money on a car, but it's a great investment. It's like buying a house. It moves. But when you buy a car, it's like buying a house. When the rest of us buy a car, it's like buying a house.

I know. You're very lucky. But then I've got an amazing talent and you haven't. That's right. Uh Well hugging away.

Ginger. Um An amazing talent that's still rolling along. like his trains. Goodbye, everybody! Thank you for coming!

Bye! Stephen Colbert here to tell you about the Late Show Pod Show, which is our podcast for The Late Show with my producer Becca. Becca, how long have you been producing this podcast? I've been producing this podcast for two years now. And your favorite thing about it?

The extended moments, for sure. Right, because sometimes I'll interview like a big star for 25 minutes, and we can only put like 14 minutes on air. Where can people get that? On The Late Show Pod Show with Stephen Colbert, wherever you get your podcasts. And who produces that?

Uh I I help out. It's a team effort. Survivor 46 is here, and so is On Fire, the only official survivor podcast, and we have a twist this season. The winner of Survivor 45, D. Viodaris, will be joining us every week.

We're going behind the scenes of the biggest moment: the how and the why things happen, and the strategy and analysis you can only get from someone like me, a survivor winner. Listen to On Fire, the official Survivor podcast starting February 28th, wherever you get your podcast. Steve Hartman this morning has a story of grief and forgiveness. that is truly beyond words. Nakia Cherry in the black and Stacey Green in the bright.

May look like besties from way back. But this is a bond born From bitterness. I love you so much, Miss Stacy. Mm-hmm.

So sorry. Do a twirl. Four years earlier, Stacey's mom, Rosie, was killed in a car crash. The other driver, Nikia Cherry, was doing seventy-three in a forty-five. Atlanta area police charged her with vehicular homicide, and Stacy was glad to see her suffer.

Yes, I was consumed. By what? Anger, sadness, loss. I mean, Stacy was furious. Let's see.

Attorneys Jeb Butler and Tom Giannotti represented Stacy in the civil trial. And they made sure to keep the parties in the case. Apart. I was worried that if they got together, the result would be incendiary. I was very pleasantly wrong.

Instead, last October, Stacy went up to Nakia in this courthouse. She thought of what her minister mother would say. and then told Nakia. I forgive you. And when I forgave her, It's like I was reborn again.

You make it sound like a miracle. Nothing short. It was an extraordinary step. But only the first step. From then to now, Stacy has gone so far beyond the words, I forgive you.

to the actions of I love you. She's like a godmama to me. I talk to her every day Nakia lost everything after the crash. She now lives in a motel.

So, I am committed to her life getting better. Like, how?

So, I've helped her with money for food. You've given her money. Yes. Rent. I was her daughter's secret Santa.

I booked a trip for her to go to Miami for her 40th birthday. Her attorneys say they've never heard of anything like it. She's a remarkable, you know, remarkable person. And all that's great. You know, that separates conversation from conviction.

Stacey didn't have to do that. I'm gonna cry. Actually. Stacy says she did have to do all that. or she could have never forgiven.

Herself. We gotta make the best out of this situation, right? He went from the pinnacle of professional sports to the heights of national politics.

Now he's telling his story on stage. Jing Pauly goes one-on-one with Bill Bradley. I got a little one here. Yeah. It's hardly an even matchup.

One of us recently had shoulder surgery. Here we are. Shoot it up. And the other one is me. There you go!

You've got this. The next one is in. The next one's in. The U. There we are.

Swish like that sound? It never gets old. Bill Bradley grew up in a small town on the Mississippi River. 35 miles south of St. Louis with one stoplight.

With a basketball and a goal.

Well, I spent a lot of time practicing, three or four hours every day. five days a week, five hours on Saturday and Sunday, nine months a year. 25 from over there, 25 in a row from there, 25 in a row from here, 25 in a row from here, 25 in a row from here. If you've got 23 and you missed the 24th, start over. And after high school he left little Crystal City, Missouri with seventy five college offers.

and a new goal. He chose Princeton, but not for basketball. Princeton did have more Rhodes Scholars then than any other university. Still, in 1965, Bradley with a jumper, it's good. He led Princeton to the NCAA Final Four.

Walters to Bradley. I lost to Michigan in the semifinals, and then they had a third-place game. In that third-place game, I scored 58 points. What were your stats? She's asking my stats of a game 50 years ago.

Well, let's see. What were those stats? 22 out of 29 from the field. And here's Bill Bradley on the field. 14 out of 15 from the free throw line.

12 rebounds. and tournament MVP. Bill Bradley was already a sensation. And more than a basketball star, he was just famous. He comes with certain things.

I even found a strange woman in my bed. Said, Hi. I called the campus police. Remember, I was evangelical. After graduation, turning down an offer from the New York Knicks.

He went to England. a Rhodes Scholar. and a church going Christian, until a sermon preaching apartheid. in racially segregated Rhodesia. I walked out.

and never returned to that church. When Bradley finally appeared in Madison Square Garden, Knicks fans were delirious. My first game. Every time I touched the ball in warm ups, eighteen thousand five hundred people roared. Right.

Because I was their savior. Right, supposedly. But not for long. God turned on me, booing me, spitting on me, throwing coins at me, costing me in the street with, Bradley, you overpaid bum. I was failing.

And it hurt. And yet, today his jersey hangs in Madison Square Garden alongside his teammates, the storied Nicks of the 70s. We have a new NBA champion. Two-time world champions in 1970 and 1973. We were not the best players in the league.

But we were the best team and for two years we were the best team in the world. What does it feel like for you now? To come to Madison Square Garden after all these years?

Well, it's still home. Beautiful teamwork. I really believe it was the first time in my life that I ever felt. I blocked. Even back in Crystal City, a factory town, most dads worked at Pittsburgh Plate and Glass, but Bill Bradley was the banker's son.

the only child of Warren and Susie Bradley, she was a doting mother, high in expectations, but strikingly low on praise. The only compliment that I ever got from her. was on her deathbed. when she looked up at me and said, Bill, you've been a good boy. I was 52.

My mother always wanted me to be a success. My father always wanted me to be a gentleman. And neither one of them ever wanted me to be a basketball player or a politician. And so, pivoting directly to politics, at 35 Bill Bradley of New Jersey was the youngest member of the United States Senate. The place for leadership is here.

A seat he occupied for 18 years. Very much. But the White House, people always said that was Bill Bradley's destiny. The next President of the United States, Senator Bill Bradley. and the 1999 He took his shot.

And missed. The former senator was very direct during his concession speech in New York. He won. I lost. And his marriage of thirty three years was ending.

without a goal, Without a job. He felt lost. Until he found himself in a new yet familiar place these last twenty-three years. Investment Banking. Finally becoming My father's banker son.

And now, an improbable coda to a remarkable career, Bradley reflects on a life of wins and losses. The river also reminded me that you weren't stuck where you were in this town or anywhere. Because you could always get on a raft like Mark Twain's Huck and Jim. and go to a new place. Rolling along Streaming on Macs is an oral memoir.

Remember, I came from the Midwest, Missouri, the land of the flat OR. As in Barn again, New York, please pass the FARC. New Jersey land a ball and Coffee and chocolate. It's a different Bill Bradley. I discovered a rich inner life that allowed me to never be alone.

a kind of home. A gentleman and a success. Bill Bradley at eighty. rolling along. If you can have an openness and joy about life that allows you to experience other people.

Nature. feeling the sun on your arms or whatever. Every day? You are going to have a full life, whatever you do. If you're headed to the theater anytime soon, Author and contributor David Sederis has a few sartorial tips.

I went to a play the other night and thought, wait, is this a Broadway theater or a Home Depot? An honest mistake is my fellow audience members were dressed to harvest crops and drain septic tanks. Was there a sign on the door demanding that people at least wear shirts, or was it just a coincidence that no one was bare-chested, I mean cargo shorts and flip-flops to the theater? I know we're living in a different age. Who are you to tell me how to dress for a night out?

But if this wasn't a special occasion, what was? Making an effort shows respect to the performers and to your fellow audience members. I attended a murder trial in Arizona once where the mother of the accused took the stand in cut-off shorts and a Ghostbusters t-shirt. And again, you really couldn't find anything better in your closet? If in the past I was going somewhere special, I'd put on a tie, but my ideas of evening wear have changed over the years.

Those look... Comfortable, people tell me, wincing at the coolats I pair with knee socks in cold weather. And I'm like, you do know that you can just say nothing, right? When did that become any kind of a compliment? The mark of an adult used to be that you could be mildly uncomfortable for vast stretches of time.

You'd put on a suit and a real pair of shoes and somehow manage to work for eight hours. Then maybe you'd change into something even more restricting and go out to dinner.

Now we need to be comfortable all the time and for every occasion, except oddly, When we're dead. Go to an open casket funeral, and the corpse is pretty much always the best dressed person in the room. Often it'll be the first time the person has ever worn a suit, or the first time in ages. Beautiful dresses, hair done just so. If I ran a Broadway theater, that's what I would demand of the audience.

Dress like you're about to be buried or reduced to ashes in a kiln, and of course, Turn off your phones. Thanks for listening. I'm Mo Raka. Please join Jane Pauly when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to CBS Sunday Morning with Jane Pauly ad-free on Amazon Music.

Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen ad-free with Wondery Plus in Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com/slash survey. I'm Mo Raka, and I'm excited to announce season four of my podcast, Mobituaries. I've got a whole new bunch of stories to share with you about the most fascinating people and things who are no longer with us.

From famous figures who died on the very same day to the things I wish would die, like buffets. Listen to Mobituaries with Mo Raka on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Many put their hope in Dr. Serhat. His company was worth half a billion dollars.

His research promised groundbreaking treatments for HIV and cancer. Scientists, doctors, renowned experts were saying, genius, genius, genius. People that knew him were convinced that he saved their life. But the brilliant doctor was hiding a secret. Do not cross this line that was being messaged to us.

Do not cross this line. A secret the doctor was desperate to keep. This was a person who was willing to cold-heartedly just lie to people's faces. We're dealing with an international fugitive. From Wondery, the makers of Over My Dead Body and The Shrink Next Door, comes a new season of Doctor Death.

Bad Magic. You can listen to Dr. Death Bad Magic ad-free by subscribing to Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts. Yeah.