Friday, November 8th | Life After Exile

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Fantastic. I promised y'all early in the week we were going to have a third gripe vine. This is our first ever three gripe vines in a week. Three gripes deep.

I can't even tell what kind of week this has been. Welcome to the gripe vine. So this is a light gripe.

I'm going to give this one a light... Diet gripe. This is a diet gripe, because this one was really born out of a place of my wife, and I think the women in my life, trying to be good to me. So I don't want to gripe too hard.

Okay. Because it's coming from a place of... It's either coming from a place of, hey, I want to help you, or shut up and stop complaining. It's coming from one of those two places. And it could be both.

It could be the center of that venn diagram. I get hangry. I certainly get hangry. Sure.

I mean, as many do. When I get hungry, I start getting irritable. I start getting ill. Instead of answering questions directly, I start answering in jabs. So instead of it's like, hey, what are you doing?

I'd be like, oh, I'm nothing. I'm just doing this. I'm like, bro, you can see what I'm doing. What does it look like I'm doing? I'm hungry.

You know what I mean? So my wife knows that. So we were going to an appointment the other day, and she said... It was early in the morning. It was like, we had to get up at six and go early, be there in Raleigh. Already irritable. Yeah, I'm already irritable because I'm up. But then when you get up early, you're kind of hungry. And we didn't have time to stop. So I said, oh, man, I'm really, really hungry.

I need a big breakfast. And Ellie said something that I never realized I hated, but I have always sort of subconsciously known. She said, why don't you eat some crackers? And she reached in her purse and pulled out this little pack of two crackers that you get with salads. Now, that should not have made me angry because she was like, hey, I've got some crackers you can have because you're hungry.

But for some reason, and it's not just her. Nicole has done it. Melissa has done it. My mom has done it. I think your wife has done it. Everyone, when you tell them they're hungry and they give you like a little bite of cracker... Has anybody noticed the common thread?

You may not. They're all moms. They're all women. They're all moms. Oh, they're all moms. Yeah, true.

True. They just keep crackers. For some reason, when I'm really hungry and someone's like, just eat some crackers, it just infuriates me because guess what?

I'm 220 pounds. I don't want crackers, Nancy. I want a bacon cheeseburger. Yeah, I want a bacon cheeseburger with some fries and a cup of coffee. No offense to the Nancys of the world.

We love you, Nancys. I've never been hungry, never, and eaten two crackers and been like, thank goodness. That'll tide me over.

I think the heart... I mean, you said this. I think the heart behind it is like, hey, why don't you eat something to take the edge off and then you can really fill your stomach later. But the edge isn't because I need to be chewing food. I'm with you. If I eat that, I'm only going to be hungrier.

Right. Something about why... I was like, no, I don't want any crackers. Then she started munching on crackers and it just made me angry. Crackers are not satisfying. That's not an answer to when your man is hungry.

I want to hear from other men because I feel like there are men out there who know exactly what I'm talking about, but they've never verbalized it. I've never verbalized it, but it just annoys me. It annoys me. Just have some crackers. See, I got crackers. They always have crackers.

It's because they're moms. They're used to kids melting down because they're hungry, so like, here, eat some crackers. David, if someone... if you were hungry and someone was like, here, have a cracker, and they pull out one of the... and I'm not talking about a sleeve of saltines.

I'm talking about one of those packs with just two crackers in it. Would you be grateful or would you be kind of annoyed? I think I'd be kind of annoyed.

If it was a sleeve of just two crackers, I probably would be a little annoyed. Nicholas, would you be grateful or would you be annoyed? No, he said grateful. Okay, okay. Cool.

Maybe. I'd be very annoyed. I think I'd be grateful if I was not very close to the woman in my life, but if I was close to her, I'd be like, what am I going to do with this?

What am I going to do with this? It's going to take a lot to fill me up. When we left, I got a waffle, bacon, eggs, and a cup of coffee and grits, and I was like, what was those two little measly crackers going to do before the announcement?

I mean, before the appointment. Anyway, that was that. I feel like there are two kinds of people out there, and I want you guys to write in and let us know which one you are. Are you one that can snack and stave off your hunger, or are you one, like, if you start to eat, you better fill your stomach, because otherwise it's just going to be worse for everybody around you? I have never once come in here and been like, dude, I was so hungry earlier before we recorded, but I ate two crackers, so I'm all good now.

See, I am the other way. If I'm starving hungry, and I eat a slice of cheese or a banana, then I can push myself a little bit longer. OK, a banana I can see.

A banana is actually surprisingly filling. I can push myself a little bit longer. A couple crackers, I'll be OK. Hey, listen, we've got to go to the ad, but before we do, today's secret word, Ryan, attenuate. Attenuate.

Huh? Attenuate something is to make it weaker or less in amount, effect, or force. Attenuate.

Attenuate, e-tenuate, i-tenuate. Attenuate. Attenuate. So, if it's super loud in here, and I go, shh, and everybody quiets down. Everyone, attenuate. Yeah, that attenuates the noise. It brings it down. It lessens it. Attenuate. That's still going to be a rough one.

I think he's going to get that one. If you've never listened to the show before, the secret word is something we're trying to sneak past Dr. Shaw in our conversation. Attenuate.

Attenuate is the secret word for the day. Hello, Clearview family. I'm Nicole.

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If you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right, and we're here in the Clearview Today studio with Dr. Abbadon Shaw, who's a PhD in New Testament Textual Criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Dr. Shaw, we had a gripe today about how when you're hungry... Have you ever been hangry? Hangry? That's when you're so hungry, you start to get... Anger born of hunger. Yeah, you start to get a little bit ill.

I have. A little irritable. Yes. Has anybody ever given you this solution, which I think is not a solution, which is like, just eat some crackers.

Yeah. Here, have a little bite to eat. Have a little crumbly cracker, and that's going to fill your stomach, or that's going to hold you up until you can get something. Temporarily satisfy you. Do you think...

Does it satisfy you? Yeah, at times it does, but it's not like the main meal. I'm assuming a bigger, fully cooked steak is coming.

Right. Like, we were going out to breakfast, but we had an appointment, and Ellie was like, just eat some crackers. And I was like, oh, why didn't I think of that? Then I won't be hungry. I feel like if I eat the crackers, I'm going to be more hungry.

You think so? Yes, because now, and this is not like a sleeve of like, saltines. This is like when you get a salad, you get those little two crackers. Yeah, captain's wafers. That's what she carries in her purse. I actually, when that was happening, I texted Dr. Schott.

I said, I'm talking about, he said, I've had to do that many times. Well, Ellie's like a boy scout. Yeah. She's got everything. She has everything prepared. Like at home, she has all these things laid out, just in case there's a doomsday.

Doomsday. Yeah, you should see her parents' house. Yeah, I don't know if they want me talking about it on the show, but I'm going to. They have a secret wall. They have a wall of DVDs, and it's like a Scooby Doo cartoon.

If you pull on one of them, I can't remember which movie it is, but if you pull on one of it, the wall opens up and they have a hoard. For real? For dead serious.

I'll see if I can get some pictures of it. They have a straight up secret wall. So she was raised in that. I don't know if she's all that, but she is like, let's stock up. Let's have a bunch of shampoo. We have more shampoo, I think, than we can use in the next 10 years. Really? Oh yeah. It's maybe, maybe five years, but we got a lot of shampoo.

Good noise. But yeah, she always has got crackers. Now I always have, I don't know how we got on this conversation, but I always try to have an extra of everything that I have. So if I, like I use a shaving oil, I don't use shaving cream.

I use shaving oil. I'll have an extra one. I'll tell Nicole to order.

And she's like, why? I said, because I'm going to have one extra, but you still have like half of the bottle left. Like I know, but it's going to go out when it does go out.

It may be a hurricane or it may be some crazy things happening in the world. I won't have it. Just wait for another month and you can ask me. I'm like, just go and get it. Just let us get it.

What's the problem with having one extra? Yeah. So remember when the toilet paper ran out? Oh yeah. I remember that. That was a, that was a big thing. Everybody wanted extra then.

Nobody was skimping on toilet paper back then. Praise God. Hopefully we won't have to worry about that for a little bit.

I think you might be right. Amen. The verse of the day today is coming to us from Proverbs chapter 11, verse eight. The righteous is delivered from trouble and it comes to the wicked instead.

It's simple. I love the Proverbs. I love how simple they are and yet how deep and true they are.

What does it say? The righteous is delivered from trouble and it comes to the wicked instead. You know, it's kind of funny because it, that never, that usually doesn't happen immediately. And so it casts a lot of doubt. It casts a lot of fear. It casts a lot of like, what's, what's going on in our nation, what's going on. But then the more you stay faithful and the more you continue to pray, you continue to live out God's will in your life.

He always does bring it back to himself. And Romans 8 28. For we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to his purpose.

So when you live with that mindset, like, like this whole election season has been tough. We were praying, we're talking to people, we're explaining issues, we're standing on what we call biblical values. But at the end of the day, it was like, you know, God is in control and whatever happens, we know that he allowed it. We trust him. And what we found is God was answering our prayers. I think where we are today in America is because of lots and lots and lots of prayers.

Very true. Of course, people talked. President Trump did so many rallies.

I mean, can you imagine over 900 rallies? I think I saw it in these past, in these past, the same day, the same day that I was complaining about this cracker thing when we were at that appointment, he was in Raleigh that morning. He was, he was 10 minutes away from the hospital we were at.

Yeah. That afternoon I think he went to, Oh my goodness, South Carolina. And that evening he was in Pennsylvania. That's crazy. That is crazy. In a day. Three states in one day.

Yeah. Well, we saw him, we had the opportunity to see him in Nashville when we were at NRB and he like was at a rally in another state and landed on the plane. I believe he was in Maryland. His plane landed and then like he drove, like landed and went straight to another rally. That's crazy.

It was insane. So, so yes, all that is true. All that is true. He did a lot of hard work.

A lot of people worked very hard canvassing, talking to people, everything. And, and, but when all said and done prayer, because we know it's God whose hand is behind the scenes, who is just, just as scripture says, he's the one who raises Kings and he's the one who brings them down. Great point. I love that because he, you know, it can be so easy to focus on the bad or attenuate circumstances, but when we direct our attention to what God is doing, if it focuses us on hope for the future, it focuses us on being able to set our sights on brighter days.

Very, very good point. You know, a lot of times we, well, first and foremost, let me go ahead and give you that attenuate. Thank you very much. Attenuate.

Thank you very much. What do you think you used it? Attenuate. Attenuate. Yeah.

To lessen a weaker or lessen amount. Good job, Ryan. Good job. I didn't think, I thought you would wait until later at the episode. I might need to start doing mine up top. I try to vary it. Cause I was thinking it was going to come later.

So if not, I would have hit the, yeah, but that's okay. Attenuate. Attenuate.

Good job. You know, we've been talking a lot about the election, not only yesterday's episode, but we've been talking about a lot leading up to it. And Dr. Shaw, I think you said something that, that really rings true that I hadn't quite thought about in this way. We didn't do all this talking just because if the more we talk about it, the more we'll probably get our way and the more we'll probably get the president we want, but it's to bring people's hearts and minds back to God. Right. You know, if we bring people's hearts and minds back to Jesus Christ, then they'll start to see that a lot of this voter apathy that they may be having or even misguided political views really is a spiritual issue.

It's really, it's really a, a misunderstanding of who God is. Yes. Our goal was to provide and is to provide a clear view, right? A clear view on our political issues, right? A clear view on the elections, a clear view on the candidates and a clear view on biblical values.

Who has it and who doesn't, right? Who is standing for it and is willing to stand for it and who is actively bucking it. And that's, that's what we were doing. I think we've heard that from people writing in like how much they appreciate your candor and you're like, Hey, this is what it is. This is what's going on no matter what other people would have you believe.

Because people aren't having those conversations, media outlets, news platforms, they're, they're biased. And so, you know, we, we have our beliefs and we have our political values, but at the same time, this is what truth is. And we're going to proclaim that unapologetically. And I know there's other Christian shows out there that are kind of similar to our show, or maybe they're a little bit different, but they have a very different, they're like, listen, you know, we, we shouldn't even be talking about this. Just focus on Jesus, man. Just focus on who Jesus is. And you know, at the end of the day, I don't think Jesus wants us to sit around and just have philosophical discussions.

I think he wants us to be in this world, making a difference. Yeah, go ahead. Say I was going to say exactly that.

So it'd be the salt and light of the world doesn't do any good if it stays in the salt shaker. That's right. Oh, good. Good. Very. I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you some applause.

And the light is sitting under a mask. You don't do that. That's a long applause by the way.

I need to get some shorter sound effects. I'll be on the third point. The crowd is still going. It's like one of those 17 minutes standing. Settle down virtual crowd. But you know, I don't think, I think there's a reason we, and people have certainly seen, we're talking about politics very much right now, because this is what's happening. And you can either be in that conversation or you'll be excluded. It's not like people are going to be impressed because we don't talk about politics.

We just talk about the character and nature of Jesus. Right. People are expecting that.

Not just from a radio show, they're expecting the pastors. You don't have to endorse a candidate. And I know it almost sounds like we are endorsing a candidate in charge, but we're not.

We're endorsing issues and the issues quickly highlight a candidate. That's right. So we let you make the final connection. Yes. And you said that multiple times from the pulpit, go vote biblical values.

If you do that, you will default to a particular candidate. Exactly. And I think you've said this as well.

Like it's, it's not weird. This is not hero worship. This is not putting all our, our chips in a person or a personality because if president Trump got up and said, there is no Jesus Christ, I will not protect the church.

Sorry, president Trump. I'm not backing you. Right. Exactly. I appreciate everything, but I'm not sure where you stand.

That's right. I cannot vote for you at that point. Biblical values. Sorry.

That's not you. And so, and so a lot of our discussions are focused on bringing those biblical values to the forefront, but I think a lot of times, even in the church, they're being pushed to the back burner, right? You know, I don't know if it's more, let's focus on the philosophical nature of Jesus or if it's let's just not talk about this at all and do some safe sermons.

I don't know what it is, but I don't know why Christians and pastors are so scared to use politics to further the gospel. I think it's time to turn the page now that the election's over, now that we know who clearly has won and won not only the presidency, the white house, but also the Senate and also maybe seem like the house as of right now, it looks like it looks like, yeah. So now we have turned the page as a church. What is our goal?

Our goal is not a perpetual celebration of president Trump for the next four years. No, I'm not interested in that. And frankly, having met him and talked to him very, very briefly, I don't think that's what he wants to do.

And if he heard his acceptance speech, he's like, I'm ready to go to work for you. I'm here to fight for you. That's what I want to do. I want to heal the nation, bring people together.

I'm for everybody. Okay. That's what he said the last time. And that's what he did. So more than likely he'll do that again. So we as a church now have to turn the page and say, how will ministry be done over the next four years?

If the next four years are going to see a growth in the economy, because it is, you know, by the way, don't believe all the junk you've heard about, you know, it's going to take all the power become a dictator. So the smart people who have said that lately, I'm so sorry, what is wrong? Why are you doing that?

Who's paying you? I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry for you.

What is, what is wrong? I'm sorry that you are so, so mistaken. Unless somebody is like passing you money or under the table or something to say that, because it's not making you look good when you say those kinds of things.

Welcome to dictatorship, Christians. Yeah. Cause in four more years, you'll be a, you'll be making a public apology for that. Or you'll just be pretending you never said it.

You'll continue to be irrelevant. Yeah. I've heard some people say that and these are Christians. Yeah.

Some of them, not all of them are like, oh, he's, you have no idea. Yeah. Brace yourself. It's about to get dictatorship. Oh, I've heard, I've heard tons of people say this was the last election we'll ever see.

I was like, what do you think is going to happen? Have you seen the people in the crowd? They're not the type to give up on their election rights. They're fighting for their rights to vote and have their, so no, no.

So unless you're talking garbage like that, if you do that, then please just, you know, educate yourself unless you have an ulterior motive, educate yourself. But if you, if you're truly honest and truly, you know, things are going to be different, which in the sense means the next four years will be years of lower taxes, more money in people's pockets, which means people will build businesses, means they will buy homes, means they will hire employees, means now we're going to see growth. We've seen that growth about eight years ago.

It was, it was crazy growth. We will expect others, other nations to pay their fair share. Why is America always attacked and gouged for in business deals and international deals? Now hopefully people will step up and pay. We're going to see what was almost looked upon like, hey, this is the inevitable. Get ready for your electric cars, right?

Get ready to travel only an hour at a time. No, hopefully things will change there. And we're going to have the freedom to travel, to use the natural resources God has placed there. And again, it's coming down to what are your fundamental values? True, true.

And maybe, maybe that's something to look at on an individual level, but then also collectively as a nation, what are our values? A lot of people try to, they're trying so hard to take the Bible away from this nation, but I don't think it can ever really, you said something at lunch today that really, that really inspired me is that the church is always going to survive. Even, even the, the mightiest powers in this nation cannot take the Bible away from our foundation. Right.

Yeah. Now there can be persecution to such an extent that the church is wiped out. Go to the Middle East. You'll see that. Go to parts of China. You see that.

India, you see that. But if the, if the persecution just crosses that red line, yes, churches can be wiped out. The blood of the martyrs is not the seat of the church. Sorry. Who was it?

That Tertullian? I forgot. So I think it could have been.

It's not the seat of the church. So what is the point I'm making here? The point is this. The next four years will be years of prosperity. The next four years will be the years of growth, of a lot of fun. People will, will, will have, look, Americans have lived under stress for the past, I would say almost six, seven years. When president Trump came in the office 2016, 2017, really. All of a sudden, I mean, there were people coming out of the woodworks, attacking this and attacking that and constantly opposing him every step of the way. Every week, seeing one of his cabinet members resign or fight or write a book or say, you know, all that kind of stuff that went on. It made for a very stressful living for a lot of Americans. For seven some years, we have been living with this stress. So now, in a sense, we're going to all of a sudden feel like somebody just lifted a heavy burden off our shoulders.

Yeah, I was gonna say it's time to breathe easy for a little bit. And that doesn't mean give up our values or give up what we, you know, the work that we have to do. One of the things you said I thought was really interesting was now that money is coming in, life is going to overall improve. It's going to improve for Republicans and for Democrats. No matter who you are in America, we're not out for just ourselves here. We're improving an economy and a nation for everyone to improve and to thrive. And I think something you said at lunch was really interesting is the more society improves, you would think that people would turn to God, but it'll really be just the opposite.

And that's what I've been trying to say. Yes, we're going to see a lot of great things, good things, wonderful things, but that does not mean all of a sudden people are not going to flock into the churches. To the contrary, to the contrary, many will not. Okay. I'm not saying that persecution drives people to church. Maybe. What I'm saying is plenty sometimes makes people less eager to go to church.

What is it? The bad times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men.

Weak men create bad times. And so I think that probably will be more true. So now the church has to really examine herself, leader especially, and say, what does the new ministry look like?

What is it? And then we have to align ourselves. It means now we have to see people as quickly becoming happy, having things, traveling. Not that interested in church because, not that they were previously all interested in church, but it may be a different mentality.

All of a sudden they feel like, hey, look, I got money. I don't go to church. I don't pray. I don't give. I have everything.

I'm not giving it because I might lose it again or something like that. So now we have to reshift our focus and see how can we reach a culture like this? Yeah. As you've said that, it reminds me of, I mean, you're, you're preaching through the book of Judges right now. It reminds me of that cycle in Judges when Israel is delivered and everything is good. That's when they fall into sin again. That's when they fall away from God. And I think the benefit that we have that they did not have or didn't exercise in the book of Judges is conversations like this.

Like what is the, what is the next step of the church need to be looking ahead for the trajectory, not just going back to status quo and then falling away. It's so easy. And I've heard that so many times where people will just belittle Israel and berate Israel. Like they, they had it, they had, they had it so terrible and God just came in and delivered them and they just went right back to their sin.

But it's like, but that's what good times do. It's not, it's not that they were just an evil, stupid nation. That's human nature.

They were, they were victims of human nature just like we are. And I think it's really interesting because the, the freedom and the levity, I guess that you get out of a little bit of peace, it truly does create some of the, the worst in people. And cause, and you said it earlier, when people have free time and they have money, they just start thinking and they just start getting, getting these wild ideas that, you know, maybe there is no God, maybe, maybe this was always how it was going to be. You know what I'm saying? Like they, they start philosophizing, I guess.

I don't know if there's a word, yeah. It doesn't mean that bad times were going to be better, but it just means that good times are not necessarily best either. Right. They come with their own struggles and hang-ups that we just, we need to understand and account for.

And being prepared for. For the past, I would say four or five years, four or five years, because even during President Trump's last term, you know, things were tough at times, not financially or with values, but just with the turmoil all over the country. And then of course the pandemic, and then of course all the craziness that went on in our big cities and everything.

The past, I would say four or five years were the so-called bad times. And we have, we as a church, we began to see our culture differently. And how can we now reach this culture while being in exile? And I know some people say like, what do you mean by exile?

And I don't want to get off course and start addressing that. Yes, we were in exile. We've done episodes on that.

We've done episodes on that. What does that mean to be in exile? It means, even though this is your land, all of a sudden you feel like it's not my land anymore. It doesn't feel like there's any hope or future left.

It seems like the values that we had are going away. And I know some Christians will say, what do you mean by that? That's where the church was always been. Watch the other episodes.

Okay. Well, but now we're not in exile anymore. What does ministry look like when we're not in exile, we're back in the land? That's a great point. Love that. If you guys enjoyed today's episode, write in and let us know, 252-582-5028. Or you can visit us online at clearviewtodayshow.com.

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