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But I can't, because I've got to worry about people looking at the camera. Right, yeah. I could be like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that Jon from the Clearview Today Show picks his nose on the air. I do have... Crazy.
Yeah, that's crazy. I do have another question for you, Ryan. Okay? Because it is a rare tradition this day and age to read any good news on the Clearview Today page.
It's a rare condition this day and age to read any good news on the newspaper page. Yes, true. Not tradition. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. Well, the next line is love and tradition of the grand design.
I just probably transposed it. This is the segment of our show, this is called Did I Do That? It's where we pretty much unveil cringy or embarrassing moments from our past or our not so distant past things that have happened to us. But this one is a story from my distant past. I've been a worship pastor at Clearview for 11 years.
It'll be 12 this coming up February. But I also was playing at other churches before that. So this did not happen at Clearview. This happened at another church. When I was much younger, we had a guest come to our church to preach.
He was a Messianic Jewish person. And so it was kind of a big deal. So we were like, hey, we want to hit songs that are about, you know, Jesus, the cross.
We want to keep it in that theme. So we were like, what if we do a hymn and we'll do Oh, How I Love Jesus. And it was it was it was all good. And what ended up happening was I didn't know that hymn. I knew the chorus. Oh, how I love Jesus. Oh, how I love Jesus. But that wasn't part of our rotation. So I had to look up the verse.
I looked it up like once, 10 minutes before we were supposed to play it. And I was leading it. That's if you're a worship leader. Bad idea. Don't do that.
I was like 17. So I didn't I mean, I knew better, but I just thought I was better than I was. So we get up there. Right. And then something ends up happening where they're like, hey, we're going to switch a couple of the songs around last minute. And I was like, I don't like that. I don't like that.
So because that was not my call. I wasn't the like the worship pastor at that church. But I did lead a couple of songs. So they ended up switching some songs around and they put, oh, how I love Jesus up front.
So I was like, OK, weird, but OK, so we start playing. I can not think of how the verse goes. Oh, no, it's not coming to me. There's guitars. There's like a little we had like a little drop like a little cajon. There's some bass.
The piano's going, but it's not playing the vocal. And I've got a church full of people like. So I'm like, oh, so I don't I don't know what I was thinking.
I just was honest. I was like, guys, I'm going to be on like while the music was like, I'm going to be honest with you. I cannot remember the melody to this verse, like trying to break it with comedy. Everybody in the congregation starts singing it in a different key, different timing, different times. There's a person on stage next to me, like leaning over to me. There is a name that I love to hear.
But like imagine that 20 or 30 different times in different keys and in different. It's just a cacophony of voices coming at me. So I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm so scared. Fear has taken hold of my body. And I just go, hey, everybody, stop, stop.
I'm 17 years old. And like the the congregation is like stopping there, looking around there, like like kind of point and laugh. And like the band just kind of stops. And I'm like, everybody, stop, stop, stop. It's the most awkward, like cringey, heavy thing.
I've never felt heavier in my life. And I looked to I was like, Robbie, sing me the verse. And he sings it again. And I go, OK, there is a name. And we kind of start playing. I'm not starting in the right key.
And I have to like shift to get into it. Oh, no. Nobody is worshiping the Lord.
Oh, no. The whole song. Nobody's focused on the Lord. I have like secondhand cringe. The whole the whole time that that guest pastor is standing there just like.
Mm hmm. That was a that was a severe worship fail. Have you ever had a worship fail like that? A worship fail? Have you ever seen one like that? Yeah.
Worship fail. We're like, I've seen them for sure. Yeah. People start in the wrong key. They start on the wrong verse, the wrong song in person. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Growing up, we would start we're going to sing verses one, three and five. And for some reason, somebody like leading starts on verse two or they start on a completely different song. And I'm like, did we not practice? Yeah.
Worship fails are so cringy and so bad because the whole point is you're setting the tone and setting an atmosphere by nature of what you're doing. Everyone's automatically looking at you. Yes.
Yes. Like at a concert, if the band makes a mistake, they can be charismatic. They can be like, ah, man, we messed up. We're going to go a good time, right? In church, you're setting a tone of worship. So, man, you got you got to be on it. That's what makes him so cringy. But we're going to talk to Dr.
Shot because I'm sure in his twenty something years of pastoring, twenty eight, twenty nine years of pastoring, he's seen his share of worship fails. We try to keep them as minimal as possible at Clearview. But I mean, they happen, man.
There's plenty available out there. So do this. Send in your favorite worship fails.
Maybe it's a video that you've seen or a picture you've seen. Send it into the phone number and maybe we'll play it on the air. Some of them are bad. We're going to play one on the air today because I found one that prompted this whole thing. They're bad.
Some of them are bad. But we'll we'll get to that. Send those in two five two five eight two five zero two eight. Or you can visit us online at Clearview Today Show dot com. We'll be back after this. Hey, what's going on, listeners? My name is John. And I'm Ellie.
And we just want to take a second and let you know about Dr. Shot's new book on the market right now called Can We Recover the Original Text of the New Testament? Boy, that is a long title. True, but it's a very simple message. The original text of the New Testament is not only attainable, but there are lots of different ways that scholars go about discovering it. There's a lot of people out there saying that the original text is lost forever or that it's hopeless to actually try to find it or that there's many texts of the New Testament. But alongside Dr. David Allen Black, Dr. Shaw has actually compiled papers from some of the world's leading experts in textual criticism, including one written by himself on various methodologies for extracting the original text. And listen, if you're interested in textual criticism, this book is a great introduction to the field. You can pick up your copy on Amazon or you can buy it from our church website. That's ClearviewBC.org. We're going to leave a link in the description box so you can get your copy today.
Love that. Ellie, let's hop back in. Let's do it. Welcome back to Clear View Today with Dr. Abbadon Shaw, the daily show that engages mind and heart for the gospel of Jesus Christ. You can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com.
If you have any questions or suggestions for new topics, send us a text to 252-582-5028. That's right. We're here once again in the Clear View Today studio with Dr. Abbadon Shaw, who's a Ph.D. in New Testament textual criticism. Dr. Shaw, I don't know if you know this, but there's an entire community out there dedicated to finding some of the cringiest, the most wild worship fails I've ever seen in my entire life. Have you ever been a part... See, at Clear View, we are very, very, very careful not to have, like to minimize these types of worship fails.
I'm not going to say it's never happened, but they're really far between. One of our vision statements, in fact, the starting one was that we envision worship services that have a high standard of excellence, and they are designed to honor our savior, Jesus Christ, and encourage the saints and reach the lost. That's our high standard of excellence. Excellence, and this is a lesson that I had to learn, excellence can't happen when you shoot from the hip. You can get lucky, but it's not...
It's the exception. But isn't that where the Holy Spirit works, is when you shoot from the hip? I don't think so. The Holy Spirit works in the planning process. Yeah, I don't think so.
I've never seen the Holy Spirit come up to... Or the angel of the Lord in the Old Testament never appeared to anyone and goes, just go with it. He's like, here's what's going to happen. Here's what you do. That's right.
They plan it all out. But I remember you telling me that, that you might get lucky, but just because you pull it off does not mean that you operate it with excellence. So all that to say, it doesn't happen here. Have you ever seen a true worship fail? Have you ever gone to a conference or something else? I have. I have a few times, and this does not have to do with contemporary music. Sometimes people think only if it's contemporary that it happens.
Oh, no. I've seen some very traditional train wrecks. Here in America, at your dad's church? No, here in America. Oh, yeah, in my dad's church too. Not in my dad's church, because he had the same kind of standard of excellence. Very different style of music and all that. But I've been to other churches, and somebody decided to start out on a very high key or whatever, and it was terrible. Or this guy was playing the drums, the tabla is what you call him, and I mean, he went crazy with it, and it's like, did somebody take that away from him?
Who signed up on this? Traditional train wrecks, I think, was my favorite part of this whole thing. Yeah, the traditional train wrecks is pretty great. That needs to be on a t-shirt with it. Or somebody, all of a sudden they think, we are part of the Gates of Vocal Band. Yeah, here we go, gang. Let's hit it. We can sit like them.
You cannot, my friend. This is like the homecoming thing happening. Yeah, everybody together. Let's do it. During the break, I found a few videos. I'm going to show you one right now. I'm not going to lie, it's hard to watch.
We'll do the Clearview Current, we might come back to it. But this one here is, this one's rough. For the drums. It's not bad. It's okay.
It's okay. I like it. A little pitchy, but everybody is.
I'm a little pitchy too. I think it's a stream mix. So I think it's like, okay, well.
Nobody sounds good in a stream mix. Yeah, you're fighting it. You're fighting it. They're doing a good job.
She's doing good. Now, can you pause it for a second? I don't know if you've heard the song, Oceans, by Hillsong. Yeah, uh-huh. That's not it. That ain't in it.
What is happening there? Well, it's okay. So go ahead.
Go ahead. I thought it was a drum machine on her keyboard that she hit a wrong button, right? But then I'm like, that's not even in time. What's going on? I'm like, oh, tell me that's not a drummer. And then the camera pans out. Here we go. And there he is. Look at him go. Look at him go. Wipeout. Oh, wow.
And then the pad just... Now he's like, I gotta, I just gotta... Look at him looking at us. Hold on. All right, let me, let me, wait a minute. Let's put this little mallet away, get my stick out. Here it comes.
Yep, forget that. Oh, I hear the four on the floor is bad. Watch his legs. Watch his legs.
Y'all should really be watching this. Oh, my. I feel for that lady. I know. Here's the thing, though. Like, we're... I don't know if this is... Digga digga digga digga digga digga digga digga digga digga digga digga digga digga.
No one else is reacting. So was this planned? Was this rehearsed?
That's, that's what I don't know. Now, David, you're a drummer. What's going on there? What's happening is his world.
What is happening? I don't, I don't think this guy's a drummer. He had to fill in real quick. I mean, he's playing drums. I mean, he's putting some rhythm into it.
But what, what if, what went wrong? Do you think, do you think this worship, because they're not reacting like this. They're going along with it. So I am thinking this was planned, but it was planned like in their heads. Like we do this and it builds up and it just moves people. But when it actually gets executed, it moves them all wrong. It moves them out the door. In the drawing board, people are like, this is going to be great.
When he comes in, I mean, y'all just keep going because it's going to just build it. Maybe they just, maybe they just, they planned it out and they all practiced it separately. From a drum perspective, what do you think happened? What went wrong? Like, what went wrong? Well, one, no dynamics in the drums at all.
It's just all out from the beginning. Two, my favorite part of the whole thing is the diggity diggity to go with his feet. He's trying to add double bass into a song that you can't add double bass in the ocean. Well, you know, one time, this is about almost 10 years ago, we had a young man who came through here and he played drums for a little while. John, you were here. I was here.
And he took it upon himself to install the double kicks, I guess. Yes. Yeah. Yep. And he was legitimately a good drummer, but I would not say he was, it was appropriate for worship at all. And the bad part is it influenced some of the younger drummers who came up behind. Oh yeah. They thought, oh, I could do this. This is it.
This is drumming. Yeah. And it was, I want to say this so we can move on to the Clearview Current. Agree or disagree. He has not heard the song.
Oh, agree. He has not heard Oceans. He got up and played a song that he never wants to listen to. If he has, he was like, that's good, but I'm going to make it great. I can make it gooder. Yeah, not great. I'll make it gooder.
It'll be the goodest it's ever sounded. Yeah. I'm blown away. When I saw that, that was hard for me to get through the first time. So now, are we not going to listen to another one?
Do you have another one? Let's listen to one more, then we'll do the Clearview Current. Okay. Which one do we listen to? Let's listen to the one on how not to intro a worship service.
So before you play it, I want to say this. This is something Dr. Shah has helped me with, because I am not good. Well, I wasn't, I was not good at opening up a service. I followed like a script, like, Hey guys, let's stand up to our feet. We're going to worship the Lord, our God together, get on into the song.
And so Dr. Shah has helped me over the years. Hey man, you know, vary it up a little bit, connect with people, say, you know, you know, tell them good morning, greet them, connect with them. You've got 30 seconds, say something impactful. I think someone should have had that conversation with this worship team. I almost can't believe it. So, so, so wait, wait, wait, wait. There are three different people who spoke in there.
I think it's the same guy. Well, the girl, the girl did it. And then, then there's a lady, someone else.
And then there's the, those all of a sudden into the Spanish. Let's try it again. Let's try it again. That's three people. Three different people are introducing that song. None of them were saying, come on.
And that the first girl I fell in that trap, come on. But it's too aggressive. First thing in the morning, you're yelling at people to come on. I think they must've been like, you know, I'm sick and tired of people just standing there staring at the screen. Hey, if we get hype, they will follow. Here we go. They got hype. Nobody followed.
Yeah, it was like Wipeout. They need him on the drums for the other one. Should we, should we just, should we just go ahead and listen to the next one? It's up to you. Let's do it. Let's do it. And then we got it.
We got to do the clear view career, but this one is one that I have to say Dr. Shaw introduced me to. Oh boy. This is one that, well, let's just play it.
Just play it. Well, this next and final song is going to be one that has made me pretty famous over the last few years. This guy's famous. It took me a lot of places I didn't think I would be at.
Wow. He must be good. But it was the first time on stage, New Year's Eve, 2002 with one of the best quartets out there today, Brian free and assurance. And I was privileged to be able to sing with, I know, right.
He was waiting for it to, he paused. I don't know if I beat him that night or not, but ever since then we've had competitions. I've worn him out. Okay. I mean, I'm telling you, this dude's a singer, but that's what happened. Not to make me look good or anything, but that's what happened. Also my friends in my hometown church, you better deliver after a set up like this top choice. So therefore we're going to finish off with this one.
It's called looking for a city. Oh, here we go. All right.
Yeah. Let's hear this guy sing. Look, he's not a great start, but you can, you can save it.
Looking for a city built up. He was confused. The guy started on that high key. Yeah, I guess so.
I guess so. But he said, I didn't know you were going to start out with that, but you, but you don't accidentally start in the wrong key. If you don't rehearse, like did you not rehearse?
You didn't know that's what he was going to be doing. And also if you do, you don't go forward with it. Yeah. It's like, wait, wait, wait. Let's start again. Right. But so, okay, let's continue. Correct me if I'm wrong, sir, but isn't there a key change in this? Oh yeah, there's many, many.
You're not going to be able to hit it. This song is done by here. I can, I can, who does this song? Who does this song?
This is part of the Southern gospel favorites. Okay. Oh, this guy, when I, the Gaithers building Gloria Gaither. Okay. But I mean, it's done by, there's a bunch of people, a bunch of people who do it and Vestal Goodman and Johnny Cook. Goodman's do it.
Goodman's do the best of this song. Okay. So let's continue. How did you say? There's so much time left. It's a video. Let's maybe do one more key change.
It hurts my molars, my ears and my stomach. Alright dude, I can't. No more.
Oh, he stood up. Alright man, this is bad radio. These are several keys higher, but we have not gotten any higher. I'm looking at, I'm looking at our live demographics. That's how I'm doing. Oh boy. Alright, man.
Alright. We've lost so many listeners. We've lost so many listeners. The truth. Someone lied to that boy.
Network is hemorrhaging money right now. I just got a, I just got an email from big Stu, man. We're in big trouble. He said, don't ever put anything like that on your show. Well, the problem is, you know, I mean that gentleman, I'm sure he is that, that, that video right there, I would say it's from like the early two thousands. So I came across that video years ago, years ago, and then something was happening or somebody said something and it just, just sparked my memory.
And I was like, wait, wait, I know a song like that. He put this in and we put it in and we just sat there and watched this train wreck. That is, man. We, how do you, how do you get into the Clearview Current?
Like from there? I'm glad you asked. Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the Clearview Current, where we cut through the chaos of today's headlines with a clear Christian perspective. We're here to keep you up to date on what's going on in the world, big or small. Dr. Shaw, have you ever heard of a guy named Lee Strobel? Yes, of course.
Once or twice. Yeah, he might, he's this kind of obscure figure. I've never really heard of him before today, but he wrote an article and it, it actually launched on, on Thursday, August 29th is a, is a brand new article that just came out that basically says that apologetics is the gateway to reaching Gen Z. He was saying that there's a time when, this is a time when overall American Christian population is declining and there's a lot of researchers out there who were saying that Gen Z is going along with it, but actually research indicates the very, very opposite.
That Gen Z is, is that spirituality and religion is rising among Gen Z. So he's saying that apologetics is sort of that gateway just to get them in. Just a quick word about Lee Strobel. Lee Strobel was a journalist for the Chicago Tribune. I mean, he is, he's well educated, went to law school at Yale and, and so very educated man, but was not a believer. And then through a series of incidents, whatever, his wife began to go to church and then Lee came along, but he came along more to disprove Christianity and he began to take notes and listen and, and study on his own and listen to the preacher. And then in time he realized what he went to disprove actually saved him because he realized that everything that he was throwing against Christianity, Christianity was not only standing up to it, but there was power in the gospel to change his own life. And he gave his life to Jesus Christ. And he wrote several of these investigative books, like the case for faith, the case for Christ, the case for the resurrection, the case for creation, the case for Easter. Yeah.
And there's one just came out if I'm not wrong. But anyways, yeah. So, so he's, he's been writing on apologetics for quite some time. Is it, is God real? Maybe, maybe it is.
Maybe it is. That's a book. And then there were also other books that he wrote years and years ago. I think it was, he's got the case for Christmas too. And the case for Christmas and the case for heaven. And there's another case for heaven. Yep. There's a new one coming out next year, which is called seeing the supernatural. Okay.
Okay. So a lot, a lot, a lot of books like that. And they have really helped people. I have recommended his books to a lot of people. No, I want to agree with everything that Lee Strobel stands for or believes, but, but overall great apologists. And I love this article too, because I think this is a time where, especially in 2024, there's Christian parents, there's church leaders who are terrified that their children are going to leave the faith.
You know what I mean? And so I don't know if there's this big push for them to become apologetics experts, but Dr. Shaw, apologetics is a big part of what we do here. We have an entire division called Clearview apologetics. That's right.
We do just that. Yeah. And so we've, we've done several apologetics conferences here called Clearview apologetics. And the first one I think it was in 2019, just on the importance of textual criticism. What is it?
What is it? And we had my, my friends Gurry Mead, Dr. Black, Dr. Robinson that came, I spoke as well. And then two years ago, 2022, we had one on, can we reach the original texts of the new Testament? That's right. And again, we had Peter Gurry from Phoenix Seminary, Dr. Robinson, Maurice Robinson, who's behind the Byzantine texts, Dr. David Allen Black and myself, and we spoke. And so that's a big part of who we are. That's right.
That's a big part of my ministry. That's right. And we want to let you guys know that that 2022 conference actually produced an original book that is available right now that Dr. Shaw wrote. It basically is compiling all those chapters into four different, I guess you'd call them essays or papers. But, but based on that question, can we recover the original text? So that book is actually available right now on Amazon.
We'll leave a link for you to go ahead and grab that. Yeah. It's, it's so important to thinking in terms of apologetics where, where Gen Z is concerned. Cause if you think about Gen Z, most, most of them are headed toward college in that young adult age range.
So you're, you have the whole trope of go off to school and you have a professor who tries to just brew the Bible or you, you know, you're out from mom and dad and you're kind of entering the world on your own. So giving them that apologetics foundation is so important. And this article shows that that's actually what they're hungry for. That's what they're looking for. That's right.
The problem today, what people do is, Hey, I don't understand that. I cannot believe it. I'm going to step back. Don't do that. That's true. Stay the course until you you come to the place where God explains it to you.
He shows it to you and then you are more solid in your faith and your understanding than you were before. Yeah. Don't write books immediately. Some of these, some of these guys do that and this is so annoying to me. You know, they, these sometimes musicians or these one hit wonders, you know, people who, you know, went from zero to a church with 5,000 people and 15 campuses and they are the, the, the, the wonder boys. And then all of a sudden you hear they're walking away from their faith. Cause you don't realize that yes, all that stuff happened, but it happened in a span of like two or three years, right?
Or maybe even five, 10 years. Yeah. But they never got established in their faith.
They had doubts and they did not say, okay, I need to work on these doubts and I keep holding on to the framework that I'm in, but I'm going to work on these doubts and answer those questions for myself. Okay. If it comes down to it at the end of 10 years that completely you are following a sham and Jesus is not the son of God, none of this is true. Okay. Then abandon everything, which I doubt will happen.
Right. But if you, you know, just the way you became so popular with that book or with that album, you think, you know what, I'm going to write a book on how I left Christianity because I can be just as popular. And all of a sudden, you know, Satan loves that. So he takes you, you're the popular Christian wonder child to now the ex-Christian wonder child. And people go, oh my gosh, how did that happen?
I am so hurt. And the other side is like, yes, come on over. Your eyes are finally open to the truth. But inside that person, I believe is nothing but utter darkness and confusion. And they can pretend. I get it. Some of these guys pretend so well, they're salespeople.
They pretend like, oh no, I'm cool. No, look, look, you're in doubt. No, no, you're, you're pretending. Yeah. Yeah. Great point. Yeah.
When you wander away from the light, you can't help but be in darkness. That's true. That's right.
Were we going anywhere? No, you close it. Okay.
Sorry. You're going to hit the button. It's so great. So helpful for us, especially those of you who are Gen Z at home or maybe parents of those who are Gen Z, push them toward apologetics, help them wrestle with and grapple with the deep things of their faith and help them answer those questions and stand upon the truth of God's word. If you guys enjoyed today's episode, write in and let us know 252-582-5028. Or you can visit us online at ClearViewTodayShow.com.
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I was going to give you guys some encouragement as we leave. If you're a worship leader, if you're a worship pastor, if you were in charge of your church's worship, don't pull a stunt like that. Don't do that. Don't do that no more.
Talk to your drummer ahead of time and listen to the drum lick that he has prepared before like the day of. That's right. That's right. Lots of great content coming your way next week. Hope you guys have a wonderful weekend. We love you guys. We'll see you Monday on Clear View Today.
