Matt Slick Live

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Hey everybody, welcome to this show. It's me, Matt Slick, and you're listening to Matt Slick Live. For those of you who might be new to the show, not sure what it's about, I'll tell you really fast. I do that every couple, three weeks. I talk about that.

So, Matt Slick Live, that's my real name, believe it or not, Matt Slick. And I do radio answering questions on Bible topics, UFOs, evolution, science, philosophy, biblical theology, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Islam, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, etc., etc. That's what we do. And if you want to call, you have questions on any of that kind of stuff. You can give me a call at 877-207-2276.

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Okay, now. If nobody waited. And that's fine. And um I wanna just uh Inform you about an article I released today, about an hour ago or so.

Okay. And as many of you know, I work a lot, and that's good. And even at my age, I'm able to just put out a lot. I was talking to some uh people last night Online and Discord, where we do battles in theology. We get in there and I get down into the mud with the false teachers, and they'll give me justifications for their stuff.

And I got this idea last night. And it caused me to write an article. What are the things the Bible prescribes for church practice, and what are the things? the Bible. Omits for church practice.

It doesn't mention anything, it doesn't say anything.

Well So, I wrote this article, it's on the Carm homepage. And it's what does the Bible teach and not teach for the Christian church?

So I went through and just did a lot of research, and things like: this is what it prescribes. It actually says, do these things. Baptism bearing one another's burdens, caring for the poor. Christ is the high priest. Teaches church discipline, confessing sins, deacons, elders, financial support, the gospel proclamation.

Uh preaching uh Refuting false teachings, showing hospitality, teaching, admonishing one another, just all kinds of stuff. And there's just a lot there. You know, the Lord's Supper, the universal priesthood of all believers. I'm going to go through and I wanted to get this out because I wanted to talk about it.

Well, I like getting articles out. And I'm going to refine it. Because there's always, I always do that. I like to get it out there and then come back a little bit and refine it. But what's interesting Is what the Bible does not prescribe to be done.

It's not saying it's speaking against it, it just doesn't support it. Apostolic succession. authority of a bishop or a pope. or a magisterium, Or that Uh The essence energies Distinction of Eastern Orthodoxy, or the use of icons and images in worship, or indulgences, Mary as co-redemptrix, Mary meaning without sin, veneration of Mary. Penance.

the priesthood idea, the confession of a pri to of sins to a priest. or stand where priest stands between the believers and God. or a priesthood with a special class that reoffers a sacrifice. uh prayers for the dead Prayers to saints. Purgatory sacraments being seven in number.

Uh Sacraments as a work of priests that confer grace, veneration of church fathers. worship including incense and things like that. I wrote these things out. And they're not in the New Testament.

Now, why is that important? It was a simple verse. I'm going to read to you. first Corinthians four, six.

Now, these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written.

so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf one against the other. Yeah.

So don't exceed what's written. And what's interesting is Boyd, did the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church exceed what's written? I mean not only exceed, it's a cannon shot. Way over the bow of orthodoxy, offer the horizon. That's how many false things, things that they offer that just simply are not found in scripture.

And notice what this verse says in 1 Corinthians 4:6. It says that none of you become arrogant in behalf of one against the other. One of the things, this is an opinion, okay? One of the things that I have noticed discussing theology with Catholics and East Orthodox. is flat out arrogance on their part.

And what they'll do very often. Is they will assume their church is true. Their Pope or Magisterium, whatever, is true. you have to pray to Mary, you have to pray to the saints. And they do not have the humility to subject themselves to God's word.

They're arrogant in that they don't look to God's word as the authority, but their church. And when I say, but that's not what the scriptures teach, the scriptures speak contrary, they don't care.

Now that's a form of arrogance. You don't care what God has said, you care about something else. You've decided who's going to tell you the truth. That's a form of arrogance. Another way it's displayed is in the repeated interruptions, rudeness that the EO and RC, Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, the EO and RC adherents perpetuate.

I mean, continually. Let's not say all of them. But I've noticed that, and also a third category: the arrogance of that they can cooperate with God in order to be saved. That's an arrogance. If you say, yeah, you know, well, Jesus' blood, and what I do.

Get me to heaven. That's it, as pride. It's arrogance. You're saying you're good enough. To merit along with the blood of Christ, the combo in order to get to heaven.

So This is what happens when you exceed what's written in the Word of God. You take your eyes off of God's Word, off of the voice of the shepherd. In John 10, 27, 28, Jesus says, My sheep hear my voice. They follow me. And that's what I tell them.

I say, You're listening to a false shepherd. And they don't like that. I say, Jesus has come to me. He doesn't say go to Mary, doesn't say go to a priest. Just come to me.

He tells us to pray to him. I say, why do you pray to the saints? The Bible tells us what to do. and you don't go with what it says to do. And I asked him, Where is your priesthood?

I've been doing this so much lately. Where's your priesthood? With a special clergy class with special garments, special authority offers a sacrifice at an altar in a church. Where is that in the New Testament? And it is simply not there.

But they come up back, you know. I hear stuff like, well, any time the offering is made. uh the of the sacrifice, then it's you're it's an altar. I had one guy say that to me, and I said, Well, wait a minute.

So the Bible doesn't say that a table is an altar. And what if I have the elements in my hands, on my lap? And I break the bread and I give it to my wife, Uh and that we take together. Is my lap now an altar? And this is the kind of ridiculousness.

It's called argumentum ed argumentum. Argumentum ad absurdum. You take what they say to the logical conclusion to show that its absurd position doesn't work. And then they'll say, Yeah, your lab becomes an altar. You know, just like, oh.

You know, rub the forehead, squint. And shake your head. And that's what I do a lot of times talking to them.

So the article lists some stuff through. I'm going to go through it again and polish it. But. What does the Bible teach and not teach for the Christian church? And in light of the scripture, which says, do not exceed what's written, then obviously the Roman Catholic and East Orthodox churches are violating God's Word.

Let's get to. Let's get to Alex from Spartanburg, South Carolina. Welcome Iranier. Yeah.

Hey, man, how's it going? Yeah, so I fully agree with you that you should totally follow the word of God and scriptures. Rather than what man said. And I had a question today for you that and I'll get back to that in a minute, but I had a question. Why do you think that Christ let the legion go into the pigs?

I have a kind of theory. But yeah, I would wanna hear what you have. What do you think about that topic? One is that he was demonstrating absolute authority over the spiritual realm and the demonic forces. And it also could be a verification of his power and authority by the visual manifestation of him going into the pigs.

And so he's showing his authority, he's showing his spiritual power. One of the theories of why they wanted to go into the pigs, i this is a theory, and I'm not saying it's true or false, just it it's interesting, is some people think demons are the released spirits of the offspring between men, I mean between women and the fallen angels of Genesis 6, the Nephilim. And that the flood wiped them out and killed them, and they became disembodied spirits who want to re-inhabit creaturely bodies. And this is a theory. And maybe there's something to that, maybe there's something not.

But and also, why are pigs there in the sacred land of Israel because they're unclean? And so this also shows a destruction there for the region is being judged because they're practicing ungodly stuff. And Jesus is taking care of that. I believe that is because he sent the demons and the pigs into the deep all at once.

So he let the pig demons go into the pigs. And the lake swallowed them up, kind of like the earth swallowed up the people that withstood Moses. And turned against him.

So he was like, not a bad idea, let's kill two birds with one stone, and before sending the man that had the legion out to preach the gospel. It was good to get rid of the pig farm because God didn't allow people to eat pork. I like it.

So, you know, he freed the man. I think everybody into the deep, and they didn't wash up on shore. They went into the deep, and their lake swallowed actually swallowed them. And everybody went into the abyss. That's right.

I don't believe that Jesus Christ left control, but okay, yeah, go ahead. Yeah.

I was going to say, I think it's a good insight.

Okay. I think it's a good insight in that it's you're relating it to the armies of of Egypt being swallowed up by the water, the pigs being swallowed up by the water. Maybe there's an allusion to that, but it's it's interesting, yeah. The armies they got washed up ashore, that was a little different, and they saw the bodies that washed up ashore. Here, the lake actually swallowed them.

It was kind of like. Um I'm relating it to when the earth swallowed the people that rose up against Moses. And the Israelites in the desert, they rose up against Moses, the earth opened up and swallowed them up. I think a similar thing happened with the pigs. And they went into the foot because a lot of people think that Jesus Christ, He let the pigs have what they wanted.

Not really. He just decided to destroy both at once. He let them go into the pigs, and with the pigs, sent them into all of you, into the deep. And that's it. And the other question, I thought about your answer.

I asked you a question last week. You related it to Grace. I don't know if you remember me. About, um about uh God saying that the people that prophesied and cast out demons They were actually workers of iniquity. Although these men ascribed wonderful works to themselves, the word of God overrides their opinion and says that the workers of iniquity.

Do you have a question? Do you have a question? Yeah, yeah. Yeah yeah, so um Whoa. The question is, do you think that their works were w good works or works of iniquity?

just prophesying and casting out demons. They didn't say healing because you mean in Matthew 7:22-23, on that day many will say to me, Lord, Lord. Yeah, the reason that they were workers of iniquity is because they were adding works to salvation. Because they were he said, Look, on that day, many will say to me, Lord, Lord. They believed in him, trusted in him.

Look at what we did.

So they're appealing to salvation on their faith in their works. That's workers of iniquity. That's denying the sufficiency of the cross. That's what are judged. What does the word iniquity mean?

It's sin. It's just a tangent word. It means sin, it's breaking the law of God, it's it's that which is wrong.

Okay. Okay. All right.

Okay. Okay. All right.

All right, brother.

Okay. This is brave. You got to go. God bless, man. Good insight, too.

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Let's get on with Jermaine. from the People's Republic of California. All right, you mean you're on buddy? Oh, hey man, how's it going today? It's going.

It's working hard. Working hard, as always. What do you got, man?

Well, today I want to discuss people who take communion and the warning given in Scripture about taking communion And I guess if your heart's not in the right place, I forget verbatim what it says, but. But can you kind of Give details on that. Yeah, there's theories about this. I wrote about this in an article a long time ago. And um Right away, the Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, they want to interpret it as by not understanding transubstantiation.

That is literally changing the body and blood of Christ. That's what they'll say. And they're they have a false understanding there. But uh you know, it we can't say exactly. But it says, let him examine himself.

Don't take it in another unworthy manner. Examine yourself.

So I think what the context is going on is The reason we take communion is because we are professing, confessing. the work of Christ on the cross and that covenant sign of communion. Is our affirmation publicly that we receive and trust in what Jesus did. This means we recognize our own sin. and that we are trying to escape that sin, repent of that sin.

One possibility here is that Someone could, for example, B uh taking the supper without the right motives. without the right Reason. We could have someone who says, Hey, I don't have to worry about anything because I can just take the communion supper. I'm fine, so I can go out and sin. all I want.

That's a possibility. We don't do that. Another one is you better examine yourself, and this is the key. When you examine yourself, do you like what you find?

Now I commonly will refer to this issue, I say I don't like taking communion Because I have to examine myself. I don't like what I find when I take communion because I have to examine myself. No, I'll take communion. And I'm grateful for it. And I love taking it.

It's just that I don't like what I'm required to do. in the process. Because I have to look in my own heart, my own pride, my own selfishness, my own arrogance, my own sin, my own attempts to con God, my own attempts to do whatever it is to get my way. And I have to wash all that out of my own heart. with confession and then take.

I think this is the idea of what Paul's talking about: examining yourself. Are you saved by that grace? Are you kept by that grace? Are you understanding what this is for? that it's for the the body of Christ.

And that's that that's it. And and there's also uh uh another one I think is legitimately concomitant with it, is um making sure you're not unrighteously angry with someone. I remember once my wife and I were on the way to church, and we got in an argument in the car, and we got to church, and it was communion time. I'm like, oh, crud. Oh man, I can't take communion.

Unless I talk to her right now and just get this cleared up and say, hey, I'm sorry, or whatever it was. And she did the same thing. And then we were right before each other, and then we could take. It would have been wrong to go into it without forgiveness in our hearts towards one another. Because part of the issue here is Are we seeking forgiveness?

From God in the communion. Not that it's a sacrament that gives us communion, I mean, gives us sacram. Forgiveness, that's not what happens. But It's representative of the place of forgiveness. And are we then going to take it without being forgiven?

We have been forgiven, but we're not forgiving. that incongruity is not allowed at the communion table table.

So it's these kind of things that we have to Look at I think that's what's going on. Under different views But I think that's really what the main issue is, okay? Yes, that was very thorough. It makes sense. And it'll lead into a second part that I'll say for tomorrow.

But I just I've known someone who doesn't know, I know, is they took communion. with the person they were having an adulterous affair with. Um I'm just saying it led to some very bad supernatural things going on in their home. And I'll tell out You know, I'm more willing tomorrow I can pick that up because now And all of a sudden, I want to worship God. That's right, because it says he who eats and drinks and does this drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.

And to understand what that What that is, that element that he's taking, better understand what it is.

So, for the freedom of someone to take that while they're in an adulterous relationship. Is profound sin. It it's profound. God'll judge 'em. That's right.

Okay. Well, yeah, I'll pray for the uh More willing we'll we'll get to it tomorrow. But thank you, Matt. I appreciate it. All right, all right.

God bless, brother. All right.

Hey, folks, you want to give me a call? The number is 877-207-2276. Let's get to Christine from North Carolina. Christine, welcome. You're on the air.

Thank you. Thank you. First of all, thank you for your teaching. I so much appreciate it. But I do have a question about the Sabbath day.

Why I know it was never changed in Scripture, from what I know. And why do most people Worship on the first day when the Sabbath, seventh-day Sabbath was never changed in scripture. Because Jesus was raised on a Sunday. And also in Romans 14:5 through 6, one man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.

If we're obligated in the new covenant, Which is the New Testament reflects the new covenant. If we're obligated then to worship on Saturday, then Paul would not have said. one man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced of his own mind. Because every day is the broad category of every day.

Sunday and Saturday are subsets of that category. Every day. And he's saying, don't worry about it.

So there's that. Also, in 2 Corinthians, excuse me, in Colossians 2, 16 and 17, therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to festival, which is yearly, a new moon, monthly, or a Sabbath day, which is weekly. things which are a mere shadow of what is to come. In Acts 20, verse 7, in the first day of the week, when you're gathered together to break bread, it looks like this is the communion element here. Paul began to talk to them, intending to depart the next day, and prolonged his message.

So on the first day of the week, Sunday, They're preaching and maybe having communion. There's an allusion to that possibility. In 1 Corinthians 16, now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the Church of Galatia on the first day of every week, you do this.

So it looks like the first day is where we have preaching, we have teaching, communion, and tithing.

Okay. And in Revelation 1:10, it was in this, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. The Lord's Day is the Sunday. The Lord's day is his day of resurrection. And I heard behind me a loud voice in the trumpet, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And so he goes on.

So we see this kind of usage in the New Testament. That's why we're free to worship on Sunday.

Okay. Easy. I I hear you. I just don't understand why the scripture didn't make it clear. about that.

I mean I see I understand because I read I understand what you're saying. I somehow can't get past the fact that I think. We've got a bridge. Oh, hold on, okay. We'll get to that afterwards, okay?

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If you want to give me a call. Um write something out.

Okay. There we go. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. All right, Christine, are you still there? I'm here again.

All right, so during the break I wrote down some notes.

So the New Testament moves away from legalism. And calendars and dates that we have to keep according to festivals, according to yearly this and that. The New Testament moves away from that. One of the things that the New Testament teaches is that the old covenant is made obsolete. That's Hebrews 8:13.

The old covenant was not the commandment. I'm sorry, I I hate to interrupt. That's right. It's like it was a it's a pyramid. How would men change one of God's commands?

They're not. Hmm. The see the old cut the old cut The old covenant is done away with, in that it's no longer necessary for us to follow legalistically. It's made obsolete. Nine of the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament, nine of them are reiterated in the New Testament, restated in the New Testament as being valid.

The Sabbath is the one that's not. The reason is because Jesus is our Sabbath. We go to rest in him. If we were obligated to then keep the Saturday Sabbath legalistically, then we're still under the Old Testament law and not resting in Christ. Mm.

Okay, that's a theological. It's theologically important. And so, this is why the Bible tells us in the verses I read to you: don't let anyone judge you about what day you have. You can make your own mind up about the Sabbath, because the legality of calendar obligation. For what day you're going to have is no longer in effect.

and is understood by the Christians.

So, the New Testament is sufficient in establishing the foundational principles of Sunday worship, which you can do. You can do it on Monday if you want. Without being explicit, but it gives us the foundational principles that are there.

Okay? Yeah.

Okay. All right, thank you. Let's Makes sense. More helpful for me because I really got confused about that. Thank you so much, Matt Flick, and you have a wonderful day.

You too. Thanks. God bless. All right.

Okay. All right, next longest-waiting person is Gil from New York. Gil, welcome. You're on the line. Welcome, and I know you remember me.

This is the blind caller. I've been going through a lot of problems sleeping at night and many other challenges, pain in my eyes as well. But um I said to myself, I hope I can call you again, even though I've been having insomnia. I wanted to ask you, in Ephesians chapter one, verse four, it says, He has chosen us in him before the um foundation of the world, right? And a book that I was reading, I don't like the whole book, but I like one statement that I'm sure you heard of him.

Rick Warren says, long before you were conceived by your parents, you were conceived in the mind of God. In other words, he thought of you first.

Now my question is... Since John chapter 1, verse 12 says, But to as many as Received him to them, gave he the power or the right to become children of God, even to them that believed on his name. Is that saying that God knew that I would choose him in 1991 or whatever you know? No, no, no, no, no. I just was curious.

Maybe you got that question before, but Yeah. Yes, I have many times. That is a false view.

Okay. It's a false view that's taught by a lot of people. What it comes down to is God knows what you're going to do, and that's why He picks you.

So then that means God looks into the future, so to speak, considers what you're going to do, the good thing in you, and then picks you because of your goodness. And that's not what the Bible teaches.

Now, I'm going to go through this a little bit because this is really critical for people to understand, okay? And I'll explain, but. And I'll explain what's going on.

Okay. In James 2, verse 2, for if a man enters your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there comes to you a poor man in dirty clothes, and you pay special attention to the one who's wearing the fine clothes, and you say, Sit here at a good place. You say to the poor man, you stand over there, sit down by your footstool. Have you not made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil motives?

Now, this doesn't directly apply to the idea of God's election and predestination, but the principle is here: don't look at someone's externals, don't look at what they have and base your choices of favor to them based on what they have. This is the same principle that we have with God because the Bible. The Bible clearly Says we by nature are children of wrath, Ephesians 2.1. We're dead or trespasses and sins. By nature, children of wrath, Ephesians 2.3.

We're dead or trespasses and sins, Ephesians 2.1. We cannot receive spiritual things, 1 Corinthians 2.14. No one seeks for God. No one does good. Romans 3:10, 11, and 12.

They're slaves of sin. Romans 6:14 through 20.

So this is what the Bible says. There's nobody's going to pick him. Nobody's going to do it. There is no God knowing what we're going to do, and he picks us because he knows what we're going to do. That does not fit the biblical model.

It's contrary to the biblical model. And you mullinists need to call me up and I need to set you straight on this. And so Frank Turek teaches this, this Molinism stuff, and as does William Lynn Craig to teach us this Molinism stuff. And it's got problems. Anyway, let me get back on track.

So, because the nature of man is such that the unbeliever is such that he's enslaved to sin, will never seek God or never do anything, this is why Jesus says, You cannot come to me unless it's granted to you from the Father. John 6:65. If it's the case that God knows what we're going to do in the future, and that's why He picks us, then that verse wouldn't make any sense. It means you can come to us, you just need to have the right information. This is a heresy that deals with uh semi-Pelagianism.

And this is bad theology and it's in the Protestant churches. And some bad teachers on this stuff are promoting. They're quite popular teaching this stuff.

Now, it's bad.

Now, God didn't choose you. For salvation because of any good quality in you, because there isn't any. He didn't choose you because, in the right circumstances, you're wise enough to pick him because you're not. God has to grant that you have faith, Philippians 1:29, and that faith that He grants to you is in Jesus, John 6:29. And you can't come to him unless it's granted by God the Father, John 6:65.

These are verses I constantly hammer the heretics on. 6:44, yeah. 6, 45. No, 6, 65. 44.

Six.

Okay. Okay. Just go John 6, 6, 6, and back one verse. That's the easiest way to remember it, okay? Oh boy.

Yeah, I know. But it it sticks in your head.

So, this is the subject.

Now, when we receive him, we do so because God enables that he receives us. Because what it says in the next verse of what you quoted in John 1:12.

Well, it says there, 12 and 13, but as many as received him, to them he gave the right to be called the children of God. We do the receiving, we actually do. Listen. Who were born, the context is receiving Christ is being born again, being born of the Spirit, born of above. Who were born not of the blood, nor of the well of flesh, nor of the well of man.

But of God.

So he's telling us it's not of us.

Now, let me get back to John, Ephesians 1:4. I've got to teach you something here today. We're going too quickly because there's so much to talk about, and we've got a break coming up. I've gone through this countless times with people. He chose us in Him.

Now, I'm going to slow down here because this is important. He, that's the Father. Chose us. Choosing is election. People may not like it.

If you don't like it, folks. If you don't like it, what I'm going to say to you is take a magic marker and just wipe out the word chose. He chose us. Just wipe it out. You can also go to some of the.

You can also go to 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which says he chose us from the beginning for salvation. Cross that one out, too, if you don't like it. But the Bible says he chose us. In him. In him is in Christ, and that's a term of what's called federal headship.

Yeah.

That Christ, we were in Christ. That's why it says we died with Christ, we're crucified with Christ. Romans 6.6, Romans 6.8. His choosing is the choosing before the foundation of the world of those who are in Christ. That means he represented his people, and those are the ones who are chosen by the Father.

That's what's going on. And those are the ones predestined. And finally, to go to Romans 8:29, those whom he foreknew, he also predestined. They're the same group. The four known ones are also the predestined ones.

This is biblical theology, not the Mamby-Pamby, Molinistic, semi-Pelagian stuff that's being taught by a lot of pastors and churches out there.

Okay. I want to say something else. I think that you are such a kind man. You're very sweet. That's why I love listening to you.

And I was thinking, you said you lost your wife four years ago. Is that what it was? No, four and a half months ago. Oh, I made a mistake because I haven't heard the show all the time. I just found the radio station.

Um, yeah, I I was thinking of I actually made a mistake. I lost Nancy five years ago, not four years ago. And you were mentioning that you were close to your wife and you're going to be much closer to heaven. That would be true for me and Nancy, right? Yeah, we'd be far like that.

Except, I think there's a problem I'm going to have in heaven because my wife. She put up with me for 39 years. That gets her extra heaven points.

So I don't know if she's going to be seeing me that often. I may be out in the outskirts cleaning up people's messes. Oh snap. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I've been going through such a difficult time.

I've been frightened. I've been wishing the Lord would come back and praying for that because I've been struggling and suffering a lot with physical problems one after the other. But I just feel such a blessing talking to you.

Well, we've got a break, but we can talk about that as well sometime.

So call me back. We'll talk about that, okay?

Okay. All right.

It's been my pleasure.

Okay. Take care. Bye. There's a break.

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All right, and welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, you can. We have three open lines: 87720722. 7-6, let's get on the phone with Michael from Florida. Michael, welcome.

You're on the air. Yeah, hi, Matt. Good to talk to you. I was browsing your website and I've. Been paying attention to the news just for the month and war has been going on.

With US, Israel and Iran. And I've been looking into what Zionism is, what theology behind it, dispensationalism, that kind of stuff. And I came across your website, and you have an article on there saying that we like us Christians have a duty to support Israel because the modern Jews today are Abraham's chosen people. Uh wha what's your reasoning behind that? Because they're God's chosen people.

That's that's it? What what's your evidence for that? Because God is the one who covenanted with Israel. That's what it says. And who's Israel?

Israel is the people of Israel. The Jews know who they are. And God prophesied that they would return to the land, that was fulfilled. and the Jews there are in Israel.

Okay. Where where did he prophesy that? Oh, I don't know exactly where he prophesied the return. It's a good question, Don. I can look it up.

But Bible prophecy, let's see, of Israel's return to the land. Um And find it. Yeah, 'cause the one I've seen is from keel. The thing though is that that prophecy was already fulfilled when The uh Jews were in exile in Babylon. and Cyrus and the Persians to feed the Babylonians and let them go back to Jerusalem.

Okay. So, I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that. A modern secular government by Benjamin Netanyahu is something of a biblical prophecy. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Okay, so let me ask you something here. Are you against Israel? Just curious.

Well, what do you mean by Israel? The people over there on the land. Are you against them? I mean, I have a problem with anyone forming a country that they want. I just don't agree with what they're going to do.

Okay, I didn't ask that. Let me ask you a question here. Let me try it again. Are you against those people who are over there in the land of the land of Israel right now? What does that mean?

Th that is a demonstrative pronoun. Yeah, can you clarify your question? I asked you. Are you in support of the nation of Israel, the people of Israel, over there in the land right now? How would I show my support?

Okay, I look, dude, look, I'm I'm just asking a question. Can you answer the question? Yeah, I don't understand your question. How can you not understand the question? Are you in support of the nation of Israel and the people of Israel over there, or are you against them?

I don't agree with what their government is doing.

So you're not in support of them?

Okay. And what is it about the government that you don't like? Just curious.

Well, I I don't like that. That they're persecuting Christians, Palestinian Christians, and starting wars in the Middle East and holding up ship weapons to them and lobbying our government. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me just address stuff.

So, Palestinian Christians, I don't know of that. I've been to Israel twice. As Christians, I'm very welcome there, and I know that there are other Christians there they've not worked against. Christians are free to work there. In fact, when we went there, we went to a place, I think it was in Nazareth.

They had, I forgot exactly what place it was, maybe it was in Jerusalem, and they had a reconstruction, a representation of the early Jewish settlement that was run at the time of Christ. And there are Christians who run it.

So, if you're saying that issues settlement, is that legal?

Okay, well, dude, look. Let me tell you something flat out. I present stuff to you, you ignore it. You're not interested in facts, you're interested in your agenda. You hate Israel, it's obvious.

The reason I know this is because of how you're behaving. You avoid questions, you avoid questions. and you don't answer them directly.

So, God said. I'm not asking a specific question. You're just trying to ask a gotcha question. Whether I'm asking a gotcha question or not is not the issue. The issue is I'm asking you a question.

For you to divert by saying, it's a gotcha question. I don't have to answer it. But this doesn't excuse you from answering the question, asking a question. That's not a specific question. You asked me if I support Israel.

I don't even know what the heck that means. Like, you don't want Israel to them? Are we supposed to do?

So, hold on. Hold on. Hold on on their own. Hold on. What does that mean?

This is another thing that I've noticed people will do is that they don't want to answer questions. They just want to dominate in the conversation and just talk continually. I'm asking you to do that.

Well, then, if you don't understand the basic idea of the government people of Israel there right now, do you support them or not? And you say, what does that mean? I don't know what else to do with you. It's a very concise question.

Now, did you know that those people and the Jews in Israel are the descendants? They have their lineages, the people there, they know who they are. Are you aware of that? How does that make in God's children? I didn't ask that.

I said, I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. I didn't ask that. I said, are you a child?

Okay, let me put you on hold because you can't control yourself. I didn't ask what you answered. I asked a different question. I said, Are you aware that they know who they are in their lineage? in Israel.

Do are you aware of that?

Now that's the question. What's the answer to that question?

Well according to pulp to relevant Okay, so now you're dismissing a valid question. And the reason I'm asking you is because you need to. Let me ask you this. Do you even. Are you a Christian?

Do you believe the Bible? Yeah.

Okay. Romans 15.27 says, Yes, they were pleased to do so, they the Jews, and we, the Christians, are indebted to them. For the Gentiles have shared in the spiritual things, we are indebted to them also in material things. Did you know we're indebted to the Jews as Christians? Did you know that word of scripture?

Ugh okay. You know? Look, I'm going to just move along because obviously you're not interested in the.

So look. This is the kind of thing I just dropped it, folks. This is the kind of thing I encounter a great deal. It doesn't matter what is said. They have an agenda.

The agenda is negative. It doesn't matter. They're not going to answer questions. You have to force them to answer questions. You have to repeat the same thing over and over again.

This is what happens to someone who has an agenda and doesn't care about facts. They just want. to be vindicated in their opinion and their hatred. This is typical. Of Democrats.

It's typical of brainwashed people. And it was very evident that he was not able to communicate. And by asking questions, just clarifications of obviously simple questions just convinced me, and I hope you too as well, that he was not genuine in his. Is questioning. Let's get to Tom from Ohio.

Tom, welcome. You're on the air. Hey Matt, uh I got a question about uh uh what is it? how President Trump was being more I guess people felt that he was rude and foul mouthed. But I was just wondering, you were talking to a young man yesterday about how the Muslims speak.

about using your foul mouth and being rude and then, you know. Is that maybe the reason why he was doing it? was, you know, just approaching it in the same I don't know. I don't know the context. I don't know what was said.

I don't know. I'm unfamiliar with it. I can't really comment about it, so I don't know.

Okay. Well, it was the it was the before the treaty was g well, before the uh they were gonna go to the uh ceasefire. Yeah, I'm sorry. The reason I'm not, I am in support of Trump going over and kick their rears. I am.

I'm in support of it. I work so much, so hard. That I hardly watch TV, and when I do, it's sci-fi. In the evenings, so people have to. In fact, I don't know, I'm going to say this: Cameron, no, Cameron, he's a friend of mine, he's a mail guy, and what he'll do, he listens to a lot of podcasts while he's delivering mail, and he'll send me stuff.

I learned more from what he s sends me. From anything else. Seriously, I listen to it. And so I'm just unfamiliar with what Trump did or said. I'm sorry, but I am.

I'm unfamiliar.

Okay. That's good. I I that's all right. But I I was just that's the only thing I could think of right off. But it seems like it's how, you know, you would approach uh to somebody, uh, like um another country.

I guess it seems like maybe that's what he did. The reason why I did it is that when you look into it, you know If you get a chance, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Well, here's the thing: I don't mind looking into it, but this is what people do. And I'm not complaining about you.

I'm just saying, sometimes people will say, Hey, have you heard the thing that Bob said? Here's the three-hour video. Go find it. Like, what? And so, what I ask is, hey, send me the clip, where it is, what time to go look at it.

Yeah.

And then I can go check it out. It was on Easter. It was Easter Sunday. I was just.

So he spoke to Iran and Everybody was a little upset with the way he was speaking foul and rude, not just uh maybe that Oh well you been uh Yeah, um you know, I don't have a problem with Just I'm for I exactly I'm for Donald Trump. I think he's done a great job. He's been about the best president I've seen for Back since Reagan, I would say. I'm with you. Thank you for your help.

I don't have a problem if he cusses and swears. I mean, I don't think it's very presidential. But he's not a politician. He says what he's going to say. And you've got to take the good with the bad.

I mean, you remember Clinton? What does is mean? Remember that? That whole debacle? You know?

And instead of a president Being deceptive, trying to bury things, past the buck. We have this guy who stands up front, says what he says, it ruffles people's feathers. They complain, okay, he's not very presidential in some areas. I'd rather him be in there than Obama. Can you imagine if the cackling heretic, what's her name, Kamala?

Was was in on goodness. It would have been a revolution by then. Oh, 'cause she just catholic moron. You know, and uh it's just ridiculous. Oh yeah.

She is. She's a cackling moron. Thank God, right? Thank God. I saw a thing that says that she might consider running in 2028.

I'm like, oh, my goodness. I hope she wins the Democratic nomination. Because Oh, I hope she does because it's just be I mean, even I could beat her in a in a in a race with my last name Slick, you know. It's a politician. Right on, right on.

She's. She's a cackling heretic. She's a she's a She does not have all her intellectual paws in the litter box, that's for sure. Yeah.

Do what she does with her, okay?

So keep up the good work, Matt. Yeah, have a good one. All right, brother.

God bless. Okay. And yeah, I talk about politics, and I don't mind saying stuff. I think she's just. Just a political wench.

She doesn't know what she's doing. And she's got her IQ points. I don't know what it is, but there's some problems there. And how do you take her seriously? And I've talked to so many people say, Oh, she'd be great.

I'm like, What is wrong with you? You know, you're going to rub your forehead, squint your eyes, and just shake your head, say, Please go away. Oh So much heresy, so little time.

Okay, the music's going to start. I'm out of here. May the Lord bless you, and by his grace, be back on the air tomorrow. And I hope you have a good evening, everyone. Because, well, hey, it's evening.

Have a good evening. All right.

And My His Grace Beck on here tomorrow. We'll talk to you then. God bless. Another program powered by the Truth Network.