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That's audible.com slash wonderypod or text wonderypod to 500-500. Good morning. I'm Jane Pauley and this is Sunday Morning on this final day of June. This past Thursday, President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump faced off in Atlanta in the first of two presidential debates. The pandemic was so badly handled. Many people were dying. All he said was it's not that serious. His policies are so bad.
His military policies are insane. When it was all over, President Biden's lackluster performance prompted no small number of questions. We've asked Robert Costa to assess the Biden-Trump face-off. After which, our Dr. John LaPook asked the question on many people's minds. How old is too old? And shouldn't it be how old is too old for what function? Absolutely.
I could not agree more because it really varies. Then from issues of the present to a matter of the past. They were modern American royalty. John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, a seemingly picture-perfect couple admired by millions around the world. In the 1990s, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was perhaps best known for her sophisticated fashion sense. This morning, Erin Moriarty has an album of sorts celebrating Bessette's enduring style on the eve of a terribly sad anniversary.
The Crown Prince of Camelot, missing and feared dead. A plane crash 25 years ago ended the lives of one of the most photographed couples on earth, John Kennedy Jr. and his wife, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy. She'd be in her late 50s?
Yeah. And you think she still has an allure? She had such an understanding what the cameras would like. Later on Sunday morning, what those decades-old photos reveal today. If you think you've seen the Beatles' first arrival in America from every perspective, think again. This morning, Anthony Mason looks back on that turning point in music history through the eyes of a young mop-top now known as Sir Paul. When the Beatles invaded America in 1964, Paul McCartney brought along his new Pentax camera.
And so I'd aim the camera and see where I liked it, you know. Hundreds of his photographs from that trip were recently rediscovered in his archive. It was lovely just to remember, oh my God, we went to America and we looked like that.
Sir Paul McCartney, ahead on Sunday morning. To say someone is making history is a pretty impressive compliment. And that's certainly true of the talented young people Faith Sallee will introduce us to. There is controversy today over new standards for teaching black history. At a time when adults are censoring topics in the classroom. The slave trade abolition bill has finally been passed. Unite to fight! Kids choose what they really want to learn and teach at National History Day.
How do we understand who we are if we don't understand where we came from? Later on Sunday morning, students making history. David Martin meets the crew of a US Navy destroyer just back from action in the Middle East. And after a tumultuous and controversial term at the Supreme Court, we'll take a closer look with David Pogue. That and more on this Sunday morning for the 30th of June, 2024.
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Our assessment is from Robert Costa. Everything we have to do with, look, if we finally beat Medicare. Thank you, President Biden. President Trump. For Democrats, Thursday night's debate was a nightmare.
I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers. President Trump? I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either. Look, President Joe Biden's performance at the Atlanta face-off, viewed by more than 50 million, sparked a panic with a flurry of editorials and commentators pleading with 81-year-old Biden to drop out. It's kind of a DEFCON one moment. I do think people feel like that we are confronting a crisis.
We're still far from our convention and there is time for this party to figure out a different way forward if you will allow us to do that. It's not just panic. It's pain of what we saw tonight. What are members of the inner circle saying privately in the wake of this debate? There is an acknowledgement writ large that the president performed badly. It went poorly. It was a bad night, but there have not been any big sit downs, big soul searching sessions.
It's just right back to work. New York Times reporter Katie Rogers covers the Biden White House and wrote a book that deeply examines the influence of First Lady Jill Biden. Based on your reporting, is there any sort of movement, any budging inside the Biden family about whether this run for reelection is worth it?
I have not picked up on that. In fact, Rogers says calls for Biden to step aside will likely only strengthen the first family's resolve for him to stay in. The naysayers are key to understanding him. I mean, they they drive him.
They help reinforce his idea of who he is. You can't overcome an obstacle if people don't put it in your way or life doesn't put it in your way. For Biden, barreling through a thicket of pain, be it personal tragedy or political humiliation, is nothing new. After more than a half century in Washington, he has endured setbacks time and again, including when many Democrats and pundits counted him out in 2020. Biden, of course, ultimately prevailed in that race, defeating then President Donald Trump.
This past week made clear that winning a rematch will be no easy feat. Trump is on the march in the polls and often makes false statements, which he did at the debate on January six, abortion and his record. After this debate, are Democrats more alarmed about Trump's possible return? Oh, for sure. Yeah, of course.
More alarmed. Absolutely. Faz Shakir is a top adviser to Bernie Sanders and managed Sanders 2020 campaign when the Vermont senator ran against Biden for the nomination. We've seen all the headlines about major Democrats, President Obama, President Clinton, former Speaker Pelosi, name after name is coming out and saying they stand with Biden. Is that what's going on behind the scenes as well?
Or is it a bit of a different dynamic? I think there's some degree of trepidation behind the scenes as people line up behind him. Obviously, President Biden has to make a decision about whether he stays in this race. And I hope he does. And I hope that if he does, he has to make some changes. Think Biden will be replaced at the Democratic Convention this August in Chicago?
Think again. Biden already has won almost all of the roughly 4000 pledged delegates. Unless he withdraws, they are expected to vote for him on the first ballot. The speculation about a possible shakeup of the Democratic ticket is almost feverish. What's the reality? Is anybody credible making moves behind the scenes?
No, there's a there's a lot of people looking ahead for years at this point. This party is his. This nomination is his.
And he's he's really the sole decider of the future course of where he's going to go. For a while, you could make the argument that, you know, boy, it was tough defending Donald Trump as a Republican, that we were going to get behind him. But today, it's a much harder thing for Democrats to explain why they would stick to Joe Biden. New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu supported Nikki Haley in the Republican primary.
She's genuine, she's likeable. But has since endorsed Trump. Trump has his critics and his challenges, including a sentencing date in July for his criminal conviction in New York. But Sununu says the party is largely with him. And after this past week's debate, they are feeling better than ever. So you don't see any Democrat trying to make a play against Biden?
No, no one know if they're smart. I think they're going to have that kind of realization that as much as they want a new candidate, they had their shot, they missed it, they got to ride it out, hope that there's a second debate, hope that he does much better hope that Trump creates a bigger problem for himself. The day after the debate with his wife at his side, when you get knocked down, you get back up. The president sought to reassure Democrats in North Carolina.
I intend to win this state in November. The New York Times Katie Rogers says for now, the Biden's seem convinced he has one more comeback left in what is very likely the last campaign of his long career. Both of them, when they feel the odds are rising against him, that is when they get feistier. They view obstacles as part of his long life in politics, almost associated with his political brand. But age is not an obstacle.
It's a reckoner. And it is a different problem than the ones he has faced before. On this 25th anniversary of their tragic deaths in a plane crash, Aaron Moriarty explains why Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, wife of John F. Kennedy Jr., has an intriguing legacy that endures. That familiar face staring out from the front cover, has it really been 25 years? The Crown Prince of Camelot, missing and feared dead in a plane crash off Martha's Vineyard. It was on the evening of July 16th, 1999, when a small plane carrying 33-year-old Carolyn Bessette disappeared off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, along with her older sister Lauren and her husband, the pilot of the aircraft, John F. Kennedy Jr. An American tragedy.
John F. Kennedy Jr. is missing. The story of international proportions focused then mostly on Kennedy. After all, America had watched him grow up when he lost his father as he rode through the streets of New York, started a magazine called George, and began dating Bessette, a publicist for fashion designer Calvin Klein. 25 years later, what is now also coming into focus, according to author Sunita Kumar Nair, is the impact Bessette herself had on young women then and now.
There are TikTok accounts and social media accounts, all based on Carolyn's style. More significantly, fashion designers today, she says, still look to Bessette for inspiration. For example, like long opera gloves that she had worn were recently in the runway at Marc Jacobs. How do you know that was inspired by Carolyn Bessette?
I actually spoke to the stylist about it, yeah. In what is likely to be one of the first of many books marking the anniversary, Kumar Nair takes a look back at Bessette's fashion style. She'd be in her late 50s? Yeah. And you think she still has an allure?
Yeah, yeah. Almost from the moment she first began appearing at the site of Kennedy, until their deaths three years later, Carolyn Bessette was one of the most photographed women in the world. She had such an understanding of what worked for her and what the cameras would like. That is her allure. That's what makes her different from many of the other women probably today. Describe her style specifically. The white shirt, the white t-shirt, a really great coat, jacket. She was a big fan of jeans.
It's from there, the foundations that one would build your wardrobe from. These pictures of Bessette were taken more than a decade before social media sites like Instagram and YouTube gave celebrities some control over their images. But back in the late 1990s, Bessette was hounded by paparazzi, even when walking her dog. I get why the fashion industry wants to celebrate her, why she wants to be a part of it, to celebrate her, why a book like this exists, because she did have this outsized impact on a lot of designers, on a lot of people just who are trying to sort through their own personal style. Robin Gaffon, the Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post columnist, says those pictures today also reveal something unsettling. I also felt like almost all of these pictures, she looked like such an unwilling subject. A glimpse, says Gaffon, into what it was like for Bessette caught in the unrelenting spotlight.
In most of these photographs, she is turned away from the camera, or she looks like she's just really trying to crawl into herself. And so in that way, it made me really quite sad that while I think obviously the intent is celebratory, there is a subtext of just sadness, I think, that goes through the book. Did this give you pause to even do this book? This was a woman who did not like the attention, very private. Absolutely.
That was actually one of the stalling features of why it took so long for me to do it. But Kumar Nair says the book is simply a celebration of Bessette's keen eye for design and her fashion sense. The most obvious example, what Bessette unveiled on her wedding day. Wasn't that a very big statement? That simple dress?
Oh, for sure. I mean, it was a Narciso Rodriguez dress. And it was a dress that he created well before there was a Narciso Rodriguez brand. I think underscored that she didn't see herself as a traditional princess. It was very much not a princess dress.
It wasn't fussy. She knew that everyone was going to be looking. They knew this photograph was going to be seen around the world. And honestly, it's one of the few photographs where there just seems to be unfiltered joy on her face. And it's that unfiltered genuine joy, more than anything Carolyn Bessette wore that day, that remains most enduring. An American love story with no end. With these images, we have the fantasy and it never really unravels. It's stopped in time.
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I could not agree more. Is part of you just getting sick and tired of this discussion? No, I'm never tired of discussing aging. Dr. Louise Aronson is a geriatrician and professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. Her bestselling book, Elderhood, is about redefining old age. I honestly think anybody who's lived past their 40s knows age matters, right? Your body changes, your brain changes.
What I would like to see is a conversation where we actually discuss the things that matter. It gets tricky, right? Oh, absolutely. Things like wisdom, brushing up against decreasing cognitive function.
Right. I mean, there is a lot of variability. A healthy human brain has up to 100 billion nerve cells making trillions of connections with each other. Recent research suggests a normal part of aging involves forgetting less important memories to help make room for new ones. The problem comes when normal forgetting is coupled with an abnormal process causing dementia. I would say by far the biggest fear my patients have is that they're losing it. Right.
And very often it'll start with, I couldn't think of a name. I mean, it was somebody who I know so well. Right. How important is that? How worried should they be?
I would say they should not be worried. And what about misplacing objects? Sometimes it's a matter of attention. So what may be happening in situations where people said, I couldn't find my keys, is that they weren't paying enough attention to the keys. Maybe they were talking to someone when they put them down and consequently that memory isn't within their grasp in the way they would hope. But if you find the keys and you don't know what they do. Oh, that's a bigger problem.
Yes. That distinction between normal and abnormal aging is increasingly important as the number of older workers continues to grow. And in most cases, mandatory retirement at a certain age is illegal.
Congress today gave final approval to a bill that outlaws mandatory retirement for most workers at any age. But there are exceptions when public safety is at stake. For example, FBI agents must retire at 57. Commercial airline pilots at 65. But there are no age limits for surgeons. When I lecture about this subject of older surgeons around the country, I ask my audience who in the audience has encountered a surgeon who should have stopped operating before he or she did.
And the majority of hands go up. Doctors think that they know best. Dr. Mark Kaplik is a thoracic surgeon and chief of surgery for LifeBridge Health in Baltimore.
Let's go. In 2014, he created the Aging Surgeon Program, a two-day physical and cognitive evaluation open to older surgeons from anywhere in the world, demonstrated here. I was pulled together a team, a multidisciplinary team of doctors, including geriatricians and neurologists and PTOT, physical occupational therapy people, ethicists, lawyers. We built this comprehensive, objective evaluation of a surgeon's physical and cognitive faculties. What was the initial response of the surgeons who were going to be potentially subjected to this? Almost everyone comes kicking and screaming and not wanting to come. And what precipitates them being sent there in the first place? Something has been identified as being problematic.
I want you to touch the block that I touch. Okay. Aside from evaluating surgeons flagged with a possible problem, LifeBridge is one of the few hospital systems in the country where all doctors and nurses over the age of 75 receive a neurocognitive assessment every two years. Our doctors are very open-minded about it. Dr. Kaplik, 72, says tests like these actually help fight ageism by focusing on function rather than on chronological age. I think you can make a very strong case for anybody who's in a high-impact profession. Doctors, airline pilots, high government officials, they should have some sort of screening at some age.
In fact, I would take away the mandatory retirement for airline pilots and others. If you're okay, the test will show you're okay. We've added a couple of decades, essentially an entire generation, onto our lives. And we haven't kind of socioculturally figured out how to handle that. And I think it's important.
We need to discuss age. Figuring out how to handle that, says Dr. Aronson, might just mean embracing the realities of getting older while realizing the end of working doesn't have to mean the end of a meaningful life. We need ways of letting people work when they still can and of helping them to stop working when that's in their interests and the interests of the common good. But the problem is that we really haven't figured out a way of giving people a gentle off-ramp to whatever it is that they're doing that preserves their dignity and their sense of who they are.
Almost all of us will live to that phase of life. And so if nothing but the most selfish of reasons, we should be doing that right now. Author Robert Heinlein wrote, A generation which ignores history has no past and no future. This morning, Faith Salley profiles some students who hear history calling. Welcome to National History Day. This is where students make history.
Literally constructing towering cities of cardboard. All kinds of stories and subjects and sources. I've always been really interested in women empowerment. I've been waiting for years to do the stock market crash. I'm just instantly really curious about military history and agriculture history. Happy History Day everybody! For one week at the University of Maryland, The power ended up exploding.
Oh! Students, grades 6 through 12, become teachers. How much do you learn? New things every year.
And judges, made up of mostly teachers, become the students. As Barbie quickly became a sensation, Some young scholars embody history. I fight to win! The Slave Trade Abolition Bill has finally been passed!
Converse! Others create short documentaries, and others design websites. All ways to prove that presenting the past can be more than just a research paper. That's the big lesson this non-profit organization, National History Day, celebrates at its annual contest, now in its 50th year. Most people understand a spelling bee.
Understand a science fair. Right. How is this different? All due respect, but okay, you can spell.
But we have spell check, and usually you're not going to use those words. Kathy Gorn is the program's executive director. You're going to use history, and learning history helps you think critically.
These competitors have free reign over any topic, so long as they illuminate this year's theme, Turning Points in History. Enter the 10th Mountain Division. My great-grandpa served in the 10th Mountain Division. Listen as he tells his story. For 6th grader Aesop Burkemeyer of Nashville, Indiana, history gets personal. And so we trained hard.
I learned to ski with the best Olympic level skiers. It took a mountain of research that began last fall for Aesop to give voice to how his great-grandfather's unit helped turn the tide of World War II. We made it to the top, and the battles began. Everybody always talks about like D-Day and Pearl Harbor and other major events. I wanted to get the story known. Just being one of the 2800 finalists is historic.
More than half a million middle and high schoolers start at local and state levels all across the U.S. and even overseas. This mass protest served as a turning point in labor reform and black activism. We want justice. It was a death of Vincent Chin that serves as a turning point in Asian American history. Learning about the past should never become a thing of the past.
There are 37 active laws and policies across 21 states that limit what educators can teach. From slavery to sexism, more and more topics are on the verge of becoming politicized, censored. You all represent a kind of front line in all of the work that we're doing. Documentarian Ken Burns visits National History Day year after year to witness what the new generation will uncover.
We're becoming ahistorical, and we're being told that it's better not to know these, to not be upset by certain historical trends. They are bucking that. You look here, and it's a kind of grand canyon of optimism. In first place for junior individual performance from Nashville, Indiana, Asa Bergweier. Kathy Gorn has seen that optimism for 42 years.
Thank you. Every contest is one for the history books. When you see the light bulb turn on in a young person's head, that's profound. And that never gets old. I love the idea that history never gets old. History never gets old. You got it. Absolutely.
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What were you expecting? Not what happened. What happened to Commander Jeremy Robertson and his crew was the war between Israel and Hamas, which turned a routine deployment into a running gun battle against Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen. Lieutenant Dennis Morrill says it began soon after the ship passed through the Suez Canal into the Red Sea. We started getting indications that there was possibly some sort of attack coming from the south towards Israel. Welcome to the Red Sea.
Right. Didn't take long. The Houthis had come in on the side of Hamas and were launching a stream of cruise missiles and drones, also known as unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, toward Israel. I think it was anywhere from 25 to 35 UAVs and land attack cruise missiles had been launched and some of them were headed up the Red Sea. And we picked up the very first one-way attack UAV on our system approximately 60 or 70 miles away from us. Robertson headed for the ship's combat information center. I came down to combat sometime around 5, 5.30 in the afternoon, and didn't leave until about 2 a.m. The Qarni tracked and intercepted drones and missiles that came within range. The first American shots fired in defense of Israel.
Whether or not they would have actually made it to Israel is unknown, but they certainly were a long ways from home and there were certainly a lot of them. How many shots did you fire? Over 15. Had any U.S. Navy ship ever fought a battle like that? Not since World War II. It's been a really long time. It was intense.
Lieutenant Commander Rebecca Fleming is in charge of all the systems that come together in the combat information center. As soon as it was time for the real deal, I couldn't say anybody was shocked because we trained to it, but it was surreal. The battle lasted nine hours.
It just kind of stopped and we stood around and kind of looked at each other like, wow, did that really just happen? The Qarni doesn't look heavily armed, just a single gun mount visible on its forward deck. But Lieutenant Kenny Shook, the ship's weapons officer, showed us the launch tubes which hold its real firepower. Once we give the order in combat, the cell hatch is going to open and then missiles going to go out and take out the target that we launched it at. During its time in the Red Sea, the Qarni shot down 45 out of 50 slow-flying drones and faster-flying missiles that were targeting commercial ships transiting to and from the Suez Canal. They actually started shooting ballistic missiles and cruise missiles at motor vessels.
So you've got drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles. Yes, sir. Three very different weapons. Very. Fastball, curve, and slider.
Yes, sir. Which worried you the most? The ballistic missiles.
Because? You're looking at something that's coming at you at Mach 5, Mach 6. You know, the watchstanders have anywhere from 15 to 30 seconds to engage.
It was the Navy's first ever real-world test against a supersonic missile. You must have computers doing some of that for you. The computer is spitting out where it's going and the altitude and all that very fast, of course.
But the humans have to push the buttons. Before any buttons got pushed, the captain had to determine if the computer was tracking a legitimate target in a part of the world crisscrossed by commercial airliners. Here's what the airspace looked like that night. Obviously, I'm very concerned about shooting down the wrong thing. So worst case scenario is it turns out to be a commercial airline. Absolutely.
Worst nightmare of my life. The Kearney would break away to refuel and replenish its stores at sea. It had to go into port to pick up more missiles, which are too big to be transferred underway. It was firing million-dollar missiles at thousand-dollar drones. Was anybody encouraging you to not use so many missiles? No, not once. You know, I'm entrusted with this $2 billion asset and 300-plus lives. And so the cost-benefit analysis of me shooting a missile is absolutely in my wheelhouse.
And I'll do it all day and twice on Sunday. The Kearney also fired its main gun, but it has a much shorter range. And Robertson was determined to keep the Houthi drones and missiles as far away as possible. We never had anything come even remotely close. And what do you consider close?
Inside of five miles. But the Kearney and the other Navy ships patrolling the Red Sea could not protect every commercial vessel from Houthi attacks. One sank.
The Defense Intelligence Agency plotted these successful attacks over just a four-month period. By the time the Kearney headed home, the Red Sea was still not safe and the destroyer's battles still not over. And what happened? We got recalled and we were back underway and headed over to the East Mediterranean. On the night of April 14, Iran launched more than 300 drones and missiles against Israel. The voyage of the Kearney ended as it began, shooting down an incoming missile. We fired in defense of Israel. The last shot Kearney fired before heading home. I left as a different person. His battle flag flying and its crew forever changed.
When I came back as a stronger person, I think I'll be able to live with that the rest of my life. Sir Paul McCartney turned 82 earlier this month. That's right, 82. And still touring. 60 years ago, McCartney and the Beatles' historic trip to America was chronicled by no small number of photographers, including, Anthony Mason tells us, Paul McCartney himself. Paul McCartney used his Pentax camera the same way he used his guitar, with total freedom. Taking photographs, I'd be just looking for a shot. And so I'd aim the camera and just sort of see where I liked it, you know, oh, that's it.
And invariably, you pretty much take one picture. 3,000 screaming teenagers are at New York's Kennedy Airport to greet, you guessed it, the Beatles. Early in 1964, the 21-year-old took his new camera on perhaps the most momentous musical journey of the 20th century. The Beatles Invasion of America. I think we were moving fast. So you just learned to take pictures quickly. Hundreds of his photographs from that trip were recently rediscovered in McCartney's archive.
It was really nice. Number one, because I thought they were lost. An exhibition of the images collected in the book 1964, Eyes of the Storm, originated at London's National Portrait Gallery and is now on view at the Brooklyn Museum in New York. This picture was when we were arriving at, I think it was the Deauville Hotel in Miami. I think your quote in the book was, I can almost hear her scream.
Yeah, you can. The cop's got to restrain her, you know. I also love the cop in the foreground who just sort of looks puzzled by everything. I know. I like the architecture. So do I. But you know, as we were saying before, that had to be taken really quickly to snap that.
But you have to have an eye to take that. It's my left one. The Beatles had started their trip in Paris. And it was in Paris that we got the telegram.
Congratulations, boys. Number one in the U.S. charts. In America. Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles. They played The Ed Sullivan Show.
Seventy three million people would tune in. McCartney calls it the moment all hell breaks loose. To look at those pictures, it's kind of you looking at the world, looking at you. Yeah.
And you seemed you seemed very comfortable with it. Yeah. I mean, you know, you got to think about it. We're kids from the movies.
Yeah. And we're trying to get famous and it's not easy. And we were like stars in America and people loved us.
So we loved it. And having that number one was really the secret, because if the journalists, you know, New York journalist, hey, Bill, hey, hey, Bill, why are you doing it? Why we sort of say, so why are you why are you doing it? Why we sort of say, why are you why are you here? Why, you know, whatever.
You said we're number one in your country. Bingo. From New York, the Beatles traveled by train to Washington, D.C. McCartney's camera took the ride, too. Is this from the train, too?
Yeah, they're pretty much all on the train or from the train. But I love this guy. He's like from where I'm from. He looked great.
He's got his hand up. He's got a little smile, too. Yeah, that's a great moment.
It's not he's a great memory, you know, for me. So many of McCartney's pictures were taken on the move. You shot that from your car.
Yeah. The the policeman in Miami, he just pulled right up next to me. And that was basically what I saw. And we'd never seen policemen with guns. We just didn't have that in England. But in Miami, McCartney broke out the color film. For us, it was like going on holiday.
The Fab Four even had a few days off. There's some great shots of all of you with like looked like terrycloth jackets. Yeah. The hotel supplied them.
You know, you normally get like a robe. Yeah. But this place, because it was Miami, had these little cool little short things and hats.
We lived in them for days. Even Brian, our manager, we thought they were really cool items of clothing. He caught George relaxing with an anonymous admirer. In that picture, yeah.
I don't think I was trying to protect her identity. I love her bathing costume. Yeah, it's a great shot. So great. Yeah. And you know, there's George. Like I keep saying, you know, living the life. Yeah. He's got a drink, which is probably a scotch and coke. And he's got a tan girl in the yellow bikini.
Yeah. From Ladsville, Liverpool, that was exceptionally wonderful. And here they are, fresh from their triumphant appearances in the United States. The band went back home to England in late February. By early April, the Beatles had the top five songs on the U.S. charts.
It's been a hard day's night. McCartney writes, we spent the months and years after holding on for dear life. Did you remember all of these when you saw them? Kind of. It was a very memorable period. Oh, I'm sure. But there was so much going on.
I'm amazed you could process it and keep it all. Yeah, so am I. So, you know, for me, it's like a little slice of American history. Yeah. And it's my history, it's the Beatles history.
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Visit gocoastguard.com to learn more. The past few months have been an eventful and controversial time for the United States Supreme Court. Both on and off the bench, we've asked David Pogue for a closer look. This past week, the Supreme Court handed down a series of major opinions on the powers of federal agencies, on homeless encampments, and on the January 6 storming of the Capitol. But when it comes to the Supreme Court, Americans have some major opinions of their own. The general public is losing confidence in the Supreme Court, and really confidence in the Supreme Court is the main tool it has to enforce its laws.
In the Supreme Court is the main tool it has to enforce its authority. The gifts and the money erodes the credibility of this institution. It's true, our trust in the Supreme Court has never been lower. Most Americans disagreed with the court's decisions on abortion and unlimited campaign donations.
And then we got headlines like these. The most complete accounting yet of the high life of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas shows much, much more than previously known. According to investigations from ProPublica, the New York Times, and others, Justice Clarence Thomas has accepted over $4 million worth of gifts from conservative billionaires. And then there was Justice Samuel Alito's private jet flight to a $1,000 a night Alaskan fishing lodge, courtesy of conservative hedge fund owner Paul Singer, whose business later came before the Supreme Court at least 10 times. Now, it is legal for justices to receive gifts of meals and lodging, provided they publicly disclose the gifts on this form. But Alito and Thomas did not disclose the gifts, at least until they were made public. Both justices deny any wrongdoing.
These are not errors. These are, I have a right to do this, and you can't stop me. Harvard Law School professor Nancy Gertner is a retired federal judge. She notes that liberal judges have transgressed, too. Last year, Justice Sonia Sotomayor's staff was caught aggressively pushing book sales at her appearances.
This is so totally different. The dimensions of that don't remotely compare with what Justice Thomas has done. Then there's the business of the spouses. Clarence Thomas's wife, Ginny, attended the January 6 Trump rally and later texted Trump's chief of staff, Mark Meadows. The extraordinary text messages show her encouraging Meadows to fight to overturn the election. Citing Trump allies who were gathering evidence of fraud, Thomas wrote Meadows on November 19th.
Make a plan and save us from the left taking America down. Samuel Alito's wife, Martha Baumgartner, made news, too. The New York Times published this photo of an upside-down American flag flying outside Alito's home in the days after the January 6th assault on the U.S. Capitol. Alito has responded, I had nothing whatsoever to do with the flying of that flag.
I asked my wife to take it down, but for several days she refused. To Judge Gertner, it's obvious that both Alito and Thomas should recuse themselves from cases that involve the January 6 uprising. So the notion that one can say, well, it was my wife, wasn't me, is flat out absurd and really passed out on his honesty.
Oh, come now. A justice's spouse, just like anybody else, has a First Amendment right to be participating independently of the political process. Robert Ray is the former White House independent counsel and he represented Donald Trump during his first impeachment. My impression has been that what most people are really upset about isn't so much the ethics of Supreme Court justices. What they really are concerned about is they don't like the outcome of particular cases, that they really, really, really care about. It seems like what Alito is saying is, you guys are just coming after me because you don't like my decisions. So would the same thing apply if it were liberal judges?
It did apply. Abe Fortas resigned from the court. The last time it came up as a major issue was in the 1960s with Justice Abe Fortas. He had received $20,000 from a foundation. Georgetown Law School professor Cliff Sloan has written two books about Supreme Court history.
He actually had returned the $20,000 several months later. And when that came out, there was immediate bipartisan condemnation of it. This was such a controversy that it ultimately led to Justice Fortas resigning from the Supreme Court. Here's what the law says. Any justice shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned. But reasonably means one thing if you're conservative. Would a reasonable person question the judge's impartiality?
And I think with regard to January 6 and Ginny Thomas's activities, for example, I think the answer clearly is no. And something else if you're liberal. You have to recuse yourself based on the appearance of partiality.
And that's a concern, not that you actually are partial, but that it will appear that way to the public that you serve. So who breaks the tie? Who's the judge of the judges?
Turns out, nobody. There is absolutely no enforcement mechanism for Supreme Court justices right now. And it's just left up to each justice's own determination about his or her own propriety. But have they not now, all nine, signed a new Supreme Court code of ethics? They signed its Supreme Court code of ethics, and they made very clear that each justice will continue to make his or her own decision. And there is no other enforcement mechanism.
And that is just a gaping fundamental hole with the entire structure. There are plenty of ideas for addressing the court's trust problem. Maybe there should be term limits. Maybe there should be more than nine justices.
Maybe an inspector general should oversee the court. And of course, there's always the nuclear option. If it's really a problem and nobody's doing anything about it, there's a clear constitutional remedy. It's impeachment. That's the remedy.
Period. Any of those proposals would require both parties in Congress to work together. And that's unlikely. Yet according to Nancy Gertner, something has to change. If the public doesn't believe in the legitimacy of courts, then the fabric of the rule of law begins to become undone.
It could lead to massive defiance of the courts and great kind of civil unrest. But if Congress won't take action, then where does that leave us? Robert Ray says, just trust them. They've gotten the message. People are paying attention now. And I think the Supreme Court knows that people are paying attention. I can imagine that at every one of those nine households, this issue inside the family has been discussed about how to conduct themselves in the future to avoid the problem. But Cliff Sloan believes that self-policing will never be enough. James Madison in the Federalist Papers famously said that if men were angels, government would not be necessary.
And I would hope that somehow everybody could step back from the current controversies to restore respect and trust in the Supreme Court. that finds and cancels your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills. Rocket Money has over 5 million users and has helped save its members an average of $720 a year with over $500 million in canceled subscriptions.
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Everything we have to do is, look, if we finally beat Medicare. But Joe Biden's performance in the first debate now presents him with a presidential-level choice to stay in the race or drop out. Like all presidential decisions, there is no clear path, and the decision must be made by one solitary person. As in many presidential choices, wisdom might lie in ignoring the pundits and the editorial boards, focusing on the long game.
Voters don't care about performance reviews. They care about positions on issues like abortion, protecting democracy. Plus, Trump's legal troubles will continue to unfold, returning focus in the race to him. But also, like all presidential decisions, ego can get in the way of the greater good.
Polls show Donald Trump's record, presidential and criminal, has not been enough to make voters reject him. On the other hand, voters tell pollsters Biden's age does concern them. The debate where the president meandered and wandered did not dispel that issue, leaving the race would, putting more attention on the existential danger Biden says Trump represents. You had Roe v. Wade, and everybody wanted to get it back to the states.
Everybody, without exception. Trump's debate answers gave evidence to Biden's case. He lied with abandon on topics big and small, but more dangerous was the former president's habit of believing entire fantasies around the fictitious stolen 2020 election and the events of January 6th. Not only do those delusions undermine democracy, but they suggest a mind that prefers fictions to inconvenient facts, a disastrous mental response for a job that presents you with one inconvenient fact after another. When President Biden has been asked about voter concerns about his age, he has said, watch me.
They did. Now he must look in the mirror and make a presidential decision. Will he be the agent or the impediment to what he says brought him into the race in the first place, keeping Donald Trump from office? Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. Paramount podcasts. If you like this podcast, you can listen ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app.
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