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It is Friday, May 15th. Will Haynes is in the studio. Again, where I take your calls at 1-800-68-431-10. Will play me this clip before we came into the studio today with Kamala Harris. making a pretty bold statement on what Democrats can do.
To potentially win the election. Of course, you could think, you know, maybe we need to become more moderate on issues. Maybe there's different ways that we can react. No, everyone was, there was a no bad ideas summit. And when did this happen and why was this happening?
That's right.
So, this was on a call, kind of an activist call, where it was titled The Win with Black Women Call. This was on the 13th of this month, so it just happened. It was like a Zoom call. You know, you've seen these where the politicians on there kind of gives this rallying moment. They may have other principles, and a lot of people can tune in and watch.
But they're trying to get people energized both for their policies and their ideas, but to motivate them to ultimately vote for their ideas and their plans. And of course, Kabul Harris, former vice President of the United States, former Presidential candidate, and now clearly starting to at least put in place, and she has certainly not denied it. She has said that she hasn't made a. Official decision yet, but is certainly starting to dip her toe into the idea of running for President once again. Maybe with actually a little bit more lead time, maybe she thinks she could do better.
But with that, here's what she had to say. Bye too. Say, look, this is a moment where there are no bad ideas. A no bad idea brainstorm is what I'd like to call it. And in that no bad ideas brainstorm, we talk about what we need to do and think about doing around the Electoral College.
We talk about the idea of Supreme Court reform, which includes expanding the Supreme Court. We invite a conversation about multi-member districts. All right, so let's just break down what she thinks they need to do to potentially win the elections coming up. Not only pack the court, but expand the court.
Something, by the way, if President Trump wanted to do right now, We could probably get it done and have the craziest Supreme Court you've ever seen. But of course, we know that's one of the big key factors of the Supreme Court of the United States, it can be something that is. A bit nonpartisan. Because of the way Supreme Court justices are selected. And there is nine, and you're only going to get a couple per presidency, maybe, that retire.
Sometimes you get none.
Sometimes President Trump got quite a few. You know, it just depends on how sort of the cookie crumbles, if you will. And then you look at the other ideas that are in this, not just Supreme Court reform. Oh, we're talking about what are we going to do about the Electoral College?
Now, of course, they're talking about. Wrapping up the Electoral College, going with a popular vote. But look what happened last time.
Okay, it does not make a guaranteed win for the Democrats because what happened with Kamala Harris? She lost the Electoral College, but she also lost the popular vote. That's right.
And there's actually more to this we're going to get into in the next segment. You're not going to wanna miss it. But I love how she leads off with the no bad idea brainstorm. And then she goes on to only list bad ideas. This is where we're at.
And when you're at a moment. Where a political movement thinks there's no way we can win on the substance.
So we have to come up with tricks. We have to find ways to win. That are outside the scope of how the game is played. And there's a rule book to that game. It's called the Constitution of the United States.
And just deciding to move things around and change the rules because you aren't able to win on your ideas and your own merit. That is not a good idea, contrary to this no bad idea brainstorm by the former Vice President of the United States. That's right.
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What are we talking about here? But of course, no, this is the truth, and the reality is: we are living in 2026. With that, though, we're going to continue this conversation, and I do want to hear from you. We're also going to talk a little bit about what's going on in China. We have a special guest joining us later, a little bit of a segment that you're going to not want to miss.
A little bit of a curveball, but you'll like it. We'll be right back. Um Well, at least now it's a little bit out in the open, Will, these conversations where you have just the ideas of how we can get involved. We got to rig the system, we got to change the way things run. We got to not only redistrict this map, how about we add to the Supreme Court?
How about we add some restrictions, Supreme Court? How about we add D.C. and Puerto Rico as a state? You know, these are all strategic moves. And look, again.
Maybe you can give it to her a little bit, Kamala Harris, and say, you know what? She's being honest. She's saying what she thinks needs to get done. She said this was a no bad ideas call. And in that, built off of it and said, look, and the thing is, a lot of these are old ideas, if you will.
They're not necessarily new ideas. These are old ideas that most. Of the American people on both sides have shut down because they go, you know what, there is a difference between playing dirty and still playing fair a little bit. And of course, there is, at the end of the day, changing the Constitution to fit. Yeah, what you think could happen.
And we were talking about election integrity this week. And we have that petition you can sign joint for election integrity. This is what we're talking about. Because look, I see some of you in the comments going, well, right now, shouldn't we be doing this? Shouldn't we be expanding the course?
Then it just becomes this endless cycle. Right. And once again, this is something that we have been against for a long time. The fact as well that she goes through this entire list, starting off with the Electoral College. The way that you are elected President.
Something she failed to do recently, saying, Hey, I didn't win, so we got to have a conversation about changing this. That is principally. From the Constitution of the United States. That is how the President is elected. And you even see, though, this isn't a hypothetical of her saying, let's have this conversation.
You see that states are trying to do an end run around the Constitution currently. There's a popular vote interstate pact that has been going on for years, and they just added another state, Virginia, because they had the new Democrat governor. Their entire goal is: they're saying we're going to come together and decide how we send our Electoral College votes. based off of if we get enough the popular vote. We're going to completely disenfranchise our entire state.
how they vote and say we're going to look at the entire country If we can get enough, if they can get 270 Electoral College votes and they're over 200 folks, they're going to completely subvert the Constitution. That is happening in real time. It's not talked about enough. And it's not, like I said, behind closed doors. Right.
This is all happening. This is something out and about. That the state legislatures, especially in blue states or purple states, are pushing forward. It gets signed and they add their name to this list. It continues to grow.
That's a top priority for Kamala Harris and her no bad ideas. This entire discussion isn't shocking because we know it's how they operate, but it is shocking how brazenly and openly they're saying, listen. We can't win. Her entire book was an excuse. because it was like I didn't have enough time to win.
Now she's trying to show herself as the leader of the party again. She clearly wants to run for President again. A lot of people are having these type calls because of the midterms and saying, listen, we know our ideas aren't going to get us elected. It's always an excuse. Maybe you should self-examine.
Maybe you should realize all of the things that you were pushing for are why you were not elected President. Instead, it's like, clearly, it's not us. Clearly, it's the Constitution that's the problem. Clearly, it's the rules of the game. Clearly, we need to have multi-member districts.
That's where, in a state, you're represented by a few people. You're trying to completely change the fabric of what the founders put forward as our country. And there are ways to change the Constitution, constitutional amendment process. They know they won't win there.
So they're trying to come up with ways to legislatively or sneakily go around and change the entire rules of the game. But she even says further in a later bite, she says we have to neutralize these Red States from cheating. including blue states expanding their maps.
So If one site does it, it's cheating. And the only way to fight cheating is with more cheating. It's so nonsensical. And we know that this has been a thing that people complain about with her, that she doesn't make sense, but she's sitting there and she's a powerful person pushing these ideas. And it's sadly the case in general that even if you say one side is cheating and then we need to do it ourselves, that's not.
That's actually a bipartisan thing that people do. The morals go out the door when it comes to making sure you're securing your election. It's sad. It's on both sides. I'm not saying this is a Democrat versus Republican thing, but now, like I said, it's done out in the open.
It's done clear as day saying we need to do these things. We need to pack the court. We need to expand the court. We need all of these new plans to really change what is happening. And like Will said, the fabric of the United States of America.
And when you start doing that, and every election cycle, we make these big swooping changes and we decide that this meant this for 100 years, but now it doesn't. Impeachment was this very specific issue that we know is very limited. All of a sudden, impeachment becomes.
something trivialized. All of these moments. Even the filibuster, all these things that they bring up. To end A lot of them go back to what? Simply trying to secure more votes to continue themselves in power.
It has nothing to do with the American people. The betterment of the American people has to do with keeping their jobs. And keep money flowing in to their prospective parties.
Well, and once again, she led off calling this a no-bad idea brainstorm. Uh and talked about talking about expanding the Supreme Court. Here's how far we are from The the Democrat Party still focused on the Constitution and respected the tradition of the United States. This is a bite, this is from not too long ago. um with someone that is a hero of the left.
This is with Ruth Bader Ginsberg. And here is the kind of idea she thought expanding the Supreme Court was, byte 21. What does concern you? If you're not worried about the term limits, what are you worried about? You mentioned adding the number, changing the number of justices.
Oh, yes, yes. There is no fixed number in the Constitution.
So this court has had as few as five, as many as ten. Nine seems to be a good number and w it's been that way for for a long time. I have heard that there are some people on the Democratic side. who would like to increase the number of judges. I think that was a bad idea when President Franklin Delano Roosevelt tried to pack the court.
So right there, one of the heroes of the left, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the late justice on the Supreme Court. calling it explicitly. A bad idea. When Franklin Delano Roosevelt tried to pack the court.
Now, I know that most of our audience does not or even love the philosophy and jurisprudence of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But She was speaking truth about this. Even, yes, she was wildly respected. Even Lesbia was a little bit of a mother. They can change the number legislative of people on the Supreme Court.
But even there, showing the wisdom of this is the number we need to be at. It's a bad idea to make the court political by just expanding it to get what you want.
So when you have this complete. Difference in that interview. It would no longer be a branch, an independent branch. It would just be another way the current administration can get something through, get something done. You just take the Supreme Court, and if each time you can wipe it clean and add in your nine justices, or 10 justices, or 20 justices, or four, you know, it doesn't matter what that number is.
If it becomes just another arm of the administration. We are in bad shape. That is something that we cannot have because you at least want some kind of balance in America. That's right.
And that's why today we just started a brand new petition based off of this issue. Go to aclj.org slash sign because this is a new petition to stop the left's attempt to destroy the Constitution. It is there in the words they speak. They do not respect the foundational documents of this country. We're going into the 250th anniversary this year.
America's about to have a big birthday. We've lasted this long. You remember the famous Benjamin Franklin quote, it's a republic, madam, if you can keep it? That's what we're fighting here at the ACLJ. That is why the work of the ACLJ is so important.
There may be less battles with the administration over the Constitution right now because it's friendly to the Constitution administration. But we know they're coming. We know that this is the Plain English plot. From those that want to tear down the constitutional norms of this country. They're strategizing it, not behind closed doors.
We know they've done that for a long time. They're strategizing it on public Zoom calls. No idea is a bad idea. That's scary. Frankly, that no idea is a bad idea when it comes to how they can win.
You've never been to one of those, Will, where the teacher said that? All right.
Well, you know what? I always heard bad ideas. If you have to preface it, there's no bad ideas. You know what you're guaranteed to get? A lot of bad ideas pretty early in the discussion.
Yeah, even if they were just made to troll the teacher, right? Maybe that's what's happening here. I don't know. Do you think that Kamala Harris is just trolling the Democrat Party with expansion of the Supreme Court and getting rid of the Electoral College? I don't think so.
I think she's doing whatever she can to get herself relevant again for a Presidential run. What do you think? Hey, we're going to also take things to China here in the next segment, talking about what's going on there.
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At least nice to know someone's listening.
Well, there you go.
Sometimes it feels like you can be talking to a void when they don't call in, but now. We got a whole at least no six people are listening. I mean, that's pretty good. I mean, that's 100%. Conversion rate from.
We had zero calls to every line. There's two of us here. I didn't count another five or six in there.
So, we got like eight people in the studio. Oh, good, really? We got like 9, 10, 11, 12. About 15 listeners right now. We know for sure.
Solid. Plus, we count ourselves. Yeah, I did.
Okay, I like that. Yeah, might as well. We're humans. I hear. All right.
We're going to keep this conversation rolling. We do some updates about what's going on also in China. We'll take some of that, give you a little bit of update of that a little bit later in this segment. Let's go ahead and take a call. Let's go to Warren on line two.
Warren's listening on the radio. Go ahead, Warren. Thanks, guys.
So appreciate you and all you do. And couldn't have open phone lines, but You know, l listening to your pastor friend and looking at all of the stuff going on. We have to understand that they want to destroy the country and bring in socialism and communism and They're so desperate for power, they will blow out all stops, cheating, backing the courts. just to bring about their agenda, which is so terrible for America. People need to wake up.
Well, Warren, we talked about it earlier in the week. I called it the zero-sum game that the left is playing now, where it's no longer around the central ideas of the American dream, the Constitution. These issues are no longer what the two parties, at least are working towards together, it is a zero sum game for the left at this point. And I do want to say there are many on the right that feel that way as well. It has become very much, you know, win at all cost.
Now I think here's another layer to this, and it's probably going to frighten people a little bit, politically frighten them, because Kamala Harris is trying to say, there are no bad ideas, help me get there, right? This is at the same time an Atlas Intel poll came out about potential nominees for the Democrats in the next election. And Kamala Harris only has 12.9% of backing from the respondents. You want to know who the first part is. Let's pause there, though, because that's a little refreshing.
Yeah. The fact that they maybe learned and said, you know what? She can't be the one that we're pushing forward out here as our leading candidate, but okay, take a break. All right.
So then who ranks above her in this poll of who people would support to be the nominee for the Democrats in 2028? With 21.2% is Governor Gavin Newsom. Not surprising. I take back everything I just said.
Well, but not surprising. He's obviously been on a massive PR tour. It is surprising. He's trying to build that. Listen or watch anything he's ever done ever in the history of time.
Except for even though he says nothing, like he's devoid of substance, at least he says it well, right? I don't know. He's very savvy. I think he, I mean, yeah, if Harvey Dent is very, very, you know, savvy. Let's see who else is above him.
The former Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg, with 22.4%. He at least seemed like a likable guy.
Okay, now you're for Mayor Pete who had major disasters, and you're like, at least he's likable. No, I'm saying of the two. If I had to choose between Gavin Newsom and Pete Butjej, I mean, I don't want to vote for either, but at least like. Pete doesn't feel like, you know, he's secretly Max just going, you know, I'm Lord. Here we go, though, because guess who is the frontrunner for the Democrats in the 2028 primary?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, with 26% of respondents saying they would vote for her in the primary.
So the frontrunner for 2028 is AOC for the Democrats. Does it surprise you now at all? Not that it should have, anyways. Why, there are no bad ideas for Kamala Harris. She's afraid of being irrelevant.
She lost the presidency. She blamed it on not having enough time, and that Joe Biden, who brought her on enough time to win because he wouldn't drop out, he wouldn't do the right thing for her and drop out of the party race. And instead, she only had a few hundred and some odd days to try and win. She wants round two. She wants a rematch.
It won't be against President Trump this time, being term-limited. But she's running fourth right now. Look, I tell you, I think that. If you really look back in history, For the Democrats, I think that move there at the last minute is going to be one of the ones they look back and go, Yeah, we made a strategically wrong move. I think they probably made a right move in the terms of I think Joe Biden was up for leading the free world for another four years.
No, I don't.
So it's not that. But when it terms just winning elections, I actually think you have had a much closer election. I still think President Trump would have taken the day. But I think he would have had a much closer election than what ended up being the almost landslide victory, taking all the swing states, the popular vote, and the Electoral College. I don't know if that happens.
If you have an incumbent, Joe Biden, against President Trump. But you have this manipulation and this control, specifically within this party, I feel like, where even the leadership. doesn't get the final say. That's right.
And really, it's because it's the party bosses who are getting the final say. Not the President of the United States did not have the final say in his own reelection when Joe Biden was forced out by the likes of Nancy Pelosi, one of his close political allies for the entirety of his career. Forced him out. It's no differently than the mayor of Altadena, or whoever was the mayor of Arcadia, California. Had an overlord.
It happened to be the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah. Not a political boss within the Democrat Party. Similar. Very similar.
Policy-wise. Yeah. Yeah. They see. I don't think they are having open phone calls, though, in China.
Maybe we could ask the President or someone that's just coming back from there. We're like, I think they're having open phone calls saying, No idea is a bad idea. Yeah. No idea is a bad idea. Yeah, I don't see that happening.
I mean, Xi Jinping's finally, he's like. I'm good. I'm just. Keeping control. There's a lot of bad ideas.
Right. There's a lot of bad ideas. Phone lines are open for you. We did lose a few there.
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1-800-684-3110. We're gonna start a little bit of a swerve with you right now. We gotta call. And look, I like to have calls from all sides. Of the political spectrum, all sides of the world and of the United States of America, and that's okay.
So, I want to go to Steve in Florida. Steve, as long as you're respectful, we can have a respectful conversation here. Let's chat it up. Give me your thoughts. Hey, I would like to know what y'all consider freedom.
I feel like that's not what you tell. Can you elaborate? Because you went into actually a much better question with folks, man. What I mean is this, like Kamala Harris got that's a great idea that she had. To change up the way everything has been run.
That's a great idea. If it wasn't from people thinking like that, we wouldn't have had the country that we have now. Then, if you want to talk about the stuff, the undoing and the crooked stuff that's going on, look at the President. Look at all the stuff he's done. And he's still doing stuff.
Then the Bible tells us he who has not seen casts the first stone.
So while we're going backwards and forwards with Democrats and Republicans, won't you just do what's right for everybody? America is a melting pot of all different nationalities. We all should have the right to vote. We all should have the right to have our voices heard. I agree with Steve.
I think we agree with you 90% of that. And here's the problem. You know, where those freedoms, which come from God, not from government. but they are enshrined in the Constitution through the Bill of Rights. There are ways to change the Constitution.
But there are amendments to the Constitution. Exactly. I mean, that's what they are. The Bill of Rights are the first amendments to the Constitution because of the way they came up with it. But if you're talking about end runs around the Constitution, The cornerstone of the United States, of our entire government and system, if you're trying to find cute ways to get around it, whether it be through this interstate commerce pact that they have with the Electoral College, the popular vote, when you try to find ways to just go around the foundations of what protects.
Those God-given rights, that is a problem. I don't care what party you're from. If it is things that are encroaching on those freedoms from the right, we call it out here as well. We say that's not a good idea. But one of the things that people always talk about too is they're concerned about how much money is in politics, how much power goes into politics.
That's a talking point a lot of times from the left. When you start to look at things like Kamala Harris is referencing here, one, the popular vote. And trying to get around the electoral college that's in the constitution, when you talk about multi-member districts, when you start talking about adding two states just to get more representation for your political party, right, not because you think they should be a state. Right. What you're going to see is a more corrupted system, Steve.
That doesn't help. Anyone in the country, it only helps the political party, and that's what we're calling out here. I agree with a lot of the things you said. I agree also, there's no blameless politician, there's no blameless person, but I don't think that we can look at what Kamala Harris is suggesting here and thinking there are no bad ideas in it because it fundamentally is trying to change something that is a guidepost for all Americans without going through any of the proper procedures. Hey, phone lines are open.
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And we're going to get into it with David. This is actually just a small portion of the interview that I had with David. For CCM Magazine that will be out next week. But I thought it was so powerful. There's such great messaging, and I think we all need it right now.
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I want to jump right in on this. This is a cool segment of an interview I did with David Pollock. You may remember him from College Game Day or any of his time in the NFL or with the Georgia Bulldogs. This is about a 10-minute version of an almost 30-minute conversation I had that will be launching on CCM magazine next week. Take a look.
You know, the book does dive in. I do want to kind of even preface that for those who are football fans. You may go, okay, is this like a Christian self-help book? What does it look like? And though it certainly gets there, there's a lot of great things you can take away from it.
If you're looking for that football journey, I mean, again, growing up in Gwinnett County, growing up in these areas, when DeKula gets name-checked in the early 2000s, I'm like, okay, this is a book that if you are a fan of that era of football, You do get a lot of that. You do get kind of the first-hand look, which I thought was pretty cool.
Well, I mean, I think for my story, man, you kind of get the... The hometown feel, real quickly, of how I fell in love with football. This is not a book to celebrate my football career by any stretch, but you are going to get a base of knowledge of, like, you know, when I was four years old, man, I knew I wanted to play in the NFL, and I told anybody that would listen to me, and I got a ton of those, you know, cute little pats on the head. And, um, you know, but it was something that I wanted to do. And then it was my journey of going through, you know, high school and not being very good, by the way, like being absolute trash.
And then between my sophomore and junior year, growing six inches and gaining 60 pounds. Football becomes a lot of fun, man. Like when you're the hammer and you're not the nail anymore, it's a lot of fun. But then you get into my journey and just how good God is, man. Like, and just how He shows up in the hard moments.
And we've had plenty of those in our lives. It feels like God put those people in your life throughout your career. And whether that is in places that are unexpected, whether that is the relationships you've had with even your television co-hosts, or then, you know, obviously. Maybe you know, I've had a little bit of a of a relationship with the Richt family over the years, but the fact that you're stepped you stepped into a George Boltlong's locker room led by someone with such strong Christian character. And More importantly, and I think more interesting, because I didn't know this about you.
Not someone who grew up. In faith at all. And look, for kids in Georgia, I don't say that it's not an uncommon story. It's not that common of a story to be like, I was not exposed to anything of really what was happening with religion, but I know it's from your parents moving from different areas and all that. I just kind of always assumed, because of how outspoken you've been throughout the years, that, yeah, this is something you grew up in, and it just is what it is.
Now if you'd asked me my junior year of high school, I'd have been like if you asked me about Christianity, I'd been like, Not real familiar. Right. I mean, if you'd asked me about just religion, period.
Now, listen, if you asked me about football, I got you covered. We were all in the sports, you know, as a family. We just didn't go to church. And then my neighbor across the street, he was like, hey, man, we're doing a lock-in. And I was like, What's a lock-in?
He was like, You come to the church and we lock you in. I was like, No, I'm out. Like, I have no desire to go do that. He was like, Well, he said the magic words for me. He was like, Hey, we get to stay up all night.
We'll feed you and you get to play games. And I'm like, Okay, I'm in. And I'm not sure which order was more important, but at that point, it might have been food. But that's the first time I'd ever heard the name of Jesus ever that I could remember. And I'm sitting there listening, and I'm like, nah, like this, there's no way this is true.
Like, I hear you. Like, I hear you, sunshine and rainbows. Like, I hear you. Y'all believe this. And then to fast forward a little bit too, for me, for outside reading for English, you got to pick a book to read.
And I had a teacher as a junior in high school. His name was Mark Watson. And let me tell you something. This dude was so different. He was calm.
He was cool. He was collected. Everybody has their spiritual gifts out there. One of mine is being hyper-annoying. It is a strength.
It is a gift. Like, and Mr. Watson was just like this. Like he was so cool and so calm. And literally, it kind of piqued my curiosity.
And he had a Jesus sticker fish on his computer and played praise and worship music in between classes. And I was like, that's different. That looks different. And so for outside reading for English, man, we had to pick 200 pages of a book. And I was like, I told my English teacher before going into my senior year, I'm like, I want to do the Bible.
And she was like, No. And I was like, why not? And she was like, because I can't sit with you and make sure you read it. I got to make sure you read this. And I was like, well, mister Watson will sit with me.
And that was the teacher I was talking telling about. And she was like, Did you ask him? I was like, No, but he will. And then, just you know, him graciously spending his time with me. And he was like, Listen, let's start in the gospels.
Let's read about Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Let's read about what happened, why it happened. And then we started to go through it. But more importantly, man, I started to ask questions. And I think that's one thing that's so important for all of us that are, if you're coming into faith or if you have questions about your faith, find someone who you know is in the faith that lives life and you watch them and you can tell it's different.
And then go ask some questions. Because I remember asking him, I was like, dude. You're just telling me about this Jesus guy. I was like. Because you believe it.
I was like, but other people don't believe it. He goes, How do you know George Washington was President? And I was like, it's in the history books, dummy. And he was like, This is a history book. This is the most scrutinized, studied, transcribed history book in the history of mankind.
Nothing has been read, purchased more, printed more. And I was like, ooh, okay, tell me more. And then we walked through the gospels and the different iterations, obviously, in the different walks of Jesus' life. And I was like, holy cow, I've never heard this. And then, most importantly, the way I felt.
Right afterwards, and the way I started to live immediately became different. And that's why I knew there was a real God in heaven, and I knew Jesus was real. And I think that's an incredibly important thing for people who are watching this, who maybe are have those people in their lives like you. Because, for those of us who grew up in it, maybe since birth, it is very easy to fall back into just sort of the tropist nature, the Sunday school nature of these stories and to not. Think with that analytical thought being like, I'm going to be questioned one day.
There's going to be, especially if you're going to be a teacher or something like that, there's going to be a teenager with a lot of questions who's going to come up to me, and I better be sure. That I have some of the answers at least, or I can at least point them in the right direction. And I think that's incredibly important for people to take away. And it's a good lesson that comes out of this book. And the book, like you said, is filled with a lot of this, filled with a lot of lessons.
One of the lessons maybe to youth pastors out there: the lock-ins, still not sure if they work. We're not sure if the lock-ins are good or bad. I think there's at least some, at least you were introduced to something. But if you're like the closest story of a lock-in that I've heard, that's gone. Like, okay.
Yeah, yeah. Usually it's not. That is not the final answers of what happens at these lock-ins. For you, You also go through a lot in your career. And I think those who are maybe familiar with it know this, whether that is.
Your injuries, whether that is what happens later on. Maybe it's everybody. Maybe we all deal with these stories in different ways, but it feels like you were doing them on very high-profile levels over and over again, and you're still here laughing with me and talking about Jesus and talking about your faith. It's pretty remarkable.
Well It's not God taking something from me. It's God giving something to me. And I think the sooner we realize that we serve a God in heaven that is for us, the sooner we realize we serve a God in heaven that wants us to prosper, that wants us to be successful. But that doesn't mean it's going to be easy. And that doesn't mean we're going to get all of our jobs and it's going to go really swimmingly and smoothly all the time.
I think you know, if you've lived long enough, it's the exact opposite. Like, it's not if, it's when those storms come. And the Bible's. Littered with them, and they're up and down, and so many good highs of highs, and so many lows of lows. And so, to experience some of those, man, here's what I'll say.
I've never learned more about God. I've never learned more about myself. I've never learned more about my bride, my kids, then we're going through something that's really, really tough. And God develops something in all of us that is so unbelievable when we're going through these storms. He develops a dependence on him, which the more we go, by the way, the more we live and the more things go smoothly, we're like, I got this, I got this, right?
Like the less we need God. And then we get slapped upside our grill and we're like, okay. I don't have this. Like, let me remind you, God, like, I lost sight of this, not you. And so I think having those moments in our lives, and here's what I've seen it develop, man, on the highest level, and this is so cool.
The Bible says, be still and know that I am God. How many times do you do it? And then you start to say, God, and you start to talk to him, and you start to have more conversation with him. And then, guess what? All you out there that say, hey, man, I haven't heard from God in a while, how much time are you spending with him?
Spend some time with him. I promise you'll hear from him. We are going to do great things, but doing great things will come at a price. There'll be great adversity. The devil ain't worried about you out there that ain't doing nothing.
Okay. If you're living for yourself all the time and not spreading the word of God, the devil ain't worried about you. If you're going to go speak the name of Jesus and go try to make a difference in this world, I promise you, if you're trying to accomplish that, you'll have great adversity in your life. You'll have great setbacks in your life. And you'll have epic comebacks and epic W's because God will be with you.
Well, let's talk a little bit before we wrap up about the book because I just want to give people an opportunity to know about it. Why'd you feel like this was the time to do this? And what do you hope people get out of it? Listen, man, like this book is not for everybody. I promise you, if a defensive lineman can write it, you can read it.
That I do promise you. Like, it is an easy read. But if you aren't someone who wants to be challenged and you aren't someone who wants to live intentionally, it's probably not the book for you. Like, Everyday Counts is about creating a scoreboard, like where you're going to see, man, everything matters. Today matters.
Yesterday's gone. Tomorrow's irrelevant.
So how do we, how do, because a lot of us, man, we prefer easy as we get older and we do less competing and less and less less worrying about whether we won or whether we lost. And I think, like, how do we put in some tangible strategies in our lives to make today count, to be intentional with where we're going, to be selfish in the morning so I can be selfless the rest of the day, right? Like, how do we get some of that intentionality and purpose in our life? I love going to church. I love hearing the message.
But if I ain't got takeaways, your boy struggles. And so these are takeaways, man, and stuff you can implement tomorrow. I want you to implement it today. But, like, things you can implement to start living on purpose. Yeah, and that was just a small section of the interview that I had about a half hour with David Pollock.
It'll be on CCM Magazine next week. Check out his book, though, Everyday Counts. It's available right now. We do have a few lines still open for it. If you want to call in, 1-800-684-3110.
Again, his book, Everyday Counts, get it wherever you find your books. Welcome back, final segment. of the week again there are a few phone lines open They keep coming up, and then maybe you say something bad, you get dropped, you tell the phone screen or something, you lie to them.
So the lines open up. They're talking, they go, no, that's off topic. And they go, excuse me, I'm speaking. Yeah, hey, it's a throwback. Yeah.
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Eight years now, whatever it is, six years. Phone lines are open: 1-800-684-3110. We'll jump right into it. Let's go to Gene, who's calling on line one. Gene, you better hold for a while.
I appreciate it. Can you hear me? Thank you. I have a good idea as opposed to all the bad ideas. All right, we'll see.
Um instead of the ruling party appointing a judge like they do every new election, maybe the Supreme Court should be elected positions like many Many, many other lower courts all across the country. Yeah, I mean, Gene, I think it's an interesting conversation to have. And I forget the problem. I'm sorry, I appreciate you calling in and suggesting it. And for you, I understand why you think that's a good idea.
Why would it not be a good idea?
However, let's just start with some of the basics. You are electing a President of the United States, you are electing an administration, and with that comes the power to select the Supreme Court justice.
So, in some ways, You are having an election every four years that does determine. At least a decision maker for who these justices will be. And then they have to go through a very. Intense confirmation process. That's right.
And so when you look at the way that the founders and the framers came up with the idea of the appointment to the courts, it was strategic for the reason of trying to make it as apolitical as possible. You can never get politics out of it completely, but it was to try to minimize the political games around it. It's a lifetime appointment.
So if, yeah, it's a lifetime appointment. It's nominated by the President, but has to be confirmed. It's through the advice and consent. Of the Senate, and we know they have pushed back hard and often. People have been withdrawn.
Exactly. There are people that aren't going to make it, that pull their nomination.
So that process is to try and make it to minimize the politics of it. If you turned it into a national election for Supreme Court justices. It would be extremely political. They wouldn't be giving you their opinion on the law, on the Constitution. They would be having to make policy statements.
They would have to campaign. They would have to raise money. And those are all the types of things that you don't want as much as possible to influence a justice. You don't want them to be like, well, we feel like we owe it to our political donors. Once we get on the court.
Now, there are people that have criticism of justices that may act political or only stick to a political ideology. Both sides criticize that. But I feel like. The framers' intention and what plays out is the right way to do that to get someone on the Supreme Court. Yes, it's always going to be a political issue, but we try to insulate the court from the politics, the direct politics of it as much as possible.
And that was by design.
So once again, thinking in those ways as well, trying to get the politics out of it is not a bad thing in and of itself. I just don't think it would play out the way that you would hope, Gene, in that issue. All right, let's continue on. Let's go straight back to the phones. Eric's calling in Pennsylvania.
And Eric is an ACLJ champion. Those people that give on a monthly basis. Eric, thank you so much for your ongoing support of the ACLJ. No, it means the world to us. Go ahead with your comments.
Yes, I disagree with you that the Democrats would have been better with Biden staying on the ballot. Um By his second term, his dementia has had gotten worse. And what I would have recommended, if I was advising Kamala, Is to call for the Twenty Fifth Amendment to remove him.
Now I agree. that the Democratic Cabinet would not have done that. But that B we have more credibility then because the belief that she didn't notice his dementia. Is very hard to believe. And in fact, one of the TV shows, they asked her if she would change anything.
And she said no. And they were trying to hint, but she didn't get the hint.
So, you know, I just disagree with that, but thanks for letting me on the line. Have a good day.
Well, I mean, to your point, I guess it's difficult to really say whether or not at the end of the day they would have done better or poorer if Joe Biden had stayed on the map. But at the end of the day, When you look at the Electoral College map and the popular vote, the way that it went to President Trump, he got every swing state. I mean, I don't know in reality how you could have done much worse if he had stayed on. And that's maybe what I mean. I don't necessarily think, I didn't say Joe Biden would win.
But I think this sort of bait and switch, flip it at the last second, was a strategic mistake if you're the Democrats, because they thought that maybe you get someone younger, someone more who could debate better, could get in these conversations. Instead, you had you lost a lot of trust. And then you built back a response from President Trump that was overwhelming. I think there have probably been a lot of Biden voters that would have just shown up, done the vote, and got through.
Well, you think of Wisconsin and Michigan specifically. I mean, it was very close margins there. Wisconsin, President Trump won by 29,000 votes. In Michigan, he won by 80,000 votes. Those are the type of, you think, of the traditional blue-collar Biden voter that could have shown up.
Who he actually appeals to? Right. That's why I think when you talk about that, the bait and switch, the chaos of it, there could have been voters in those states that just did not show up. That the Democrat Party could have maybe outperformed what they did. You by no means were inferring that.
It would have been a toss-up for me.
Sounds like you're like my legal counsel. He in no means was inferring. No, deferring, I think it would have been closer. I don't think that I think President Trump would have still won. Do I think he would have taken every swing state by this large of a margin, had the Electoral College and.
Uh the popular vote? Maybe one of those could have gone differently. You could have seen something gone differently if you had just had someone that they, again, like Will said, had sort of those standard voters in place.
Well, and that's also, it's rich when you hear her say that we need to look at the Electoral College. She lost by over 2 million votes to President Trump. This is the individual who even that talking point of rewriting the way we do things would have not mattered. We only got a couple of minutes left. Let's go to Helen, though, real quick.
Helen, go ahead. Thank you. An observation. Increasing the size of the Supreme Court diminishes the individual authority of each justice. If you have nine justices, the voting power is eleven point one percent.
Eleven justices, nine point one percent. Thirteen justices, seven point seven percent. Having nine justices keeps each justice's voting power over ten percent. And that appears to be the reason for Congress setting that level in 1869.
Well, I think, Helen, that people have settled in on that nine number. And you can see, I mean, the justices all feel pretty on board with that being what it needs to be. I think it also creates still a personal relationship between a lot of them where they can have debate, discussion, really decide. You know, you'll see. Clearly.
President Trump nominees don't always go, because unlike a lot of the times, you've had President Trump essentially there. And he hasn't gone his way every single time. It is actually a discussion and a conversation that happens between these justices.
Well, and here's also one thing that the left and the media isn't telling you. When they talk about the President being a king and a dictator authoritarian, when the courts rule, his administration follows it. They listen to the courts, actually play within the constitutional framework, even if they don't like opinions. What the Democrats are doing here and the left is saying, hey, If they don't go in our favor or we don't like something, let's change the rules completely. That's not okay.
That's actually why we say they're trying to tear down the Constitution. And that's why we have this new petition at aclj.org/slash sign. Get involved today. Go to that link. Sign the petition.
See you next week. I'm speaking.
