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A sea change in the way K through 12 students are learning is sweeping the nation, and it has nothing to do with reading, writing, or arithmetic. It has to do with technology, or in this case, the absence of it in the classroom. More than 30 states and counting are restricting the use of cell phones in schools. The move has earned praise from most teachers. But how do kids feel about being separated from their otherwise omnipresent phones?
Tony DeCoppol looked into it, and you might be surprised by what he's discovered. It is now 1241 and period 9 is about to begin. Remember high school before cell phones?
Well, it's back. But for today's kids, it's a brand new world. If you have a moment where you don't see any of your friends and you used to look at your phone then, What do you do? We've only had to move in for like four weeks. I think we still need a little bit too much time.
Ahead on Sunday morning. High school. Unplugged. With songs like Wild World and Peace Train, Cat Stevens was a seventies phenomenon.
Now known as Yusuf Kat Stevens, he's looking back on his musical and spiritual journey with our Seth Doan. At the height of his success, he was still searching. How can you be writing something that it so profoundly touches people, but to be so unsure of yourself. Maybe it's the absence of having that answer that drives. the music and the inspiration.
The inspiring and unusual musical journey of Yusuf Islam, Kat Stevens. Later, this Sunday morning. Many consider Daniel Day Lewis the greatest actor of his generation. but he hasn't appeared in a movie in almost a decade. This morning we hear about the special collaboration that's prompted his return.
Say all we've done is show the world that democracy isn't chaos. Three-time Oscar winner Daniel Day-Lewis has been absent from films for eight years.
Well, there she is. The isolation. A collaboration with his son Ronan has brought him back. When did it hit you that it was going to be bad? Today.
Today. Coming up on Sunday morning, father and son. Daniel and Ronan Day-Lewis. My uh like senior thesis. also ahead this morning.
I was not thinking that it would happen directly to us. Lee Cowan examines the human impact of ICE and its escalating deportation raids. It's a pretty sleek aircraft. David Martin explores how artificial intelligence is upending the world of aerial warfare. Tracy Smith catches up with Grammy-winning music superstar Miley Cyrus.
Plus, we remember Jane Goodall. And more on this first Sunday morning of the month, October 5th, 2025. We'll be right back. It's the latest trend in education. banning cellphone use in the classroom.
To assess its impact, our CBS Mornings colleague Tony DeCoppol takes us back to school. Homecoming Day at Jericho High School on New York's Long Island looked very different this year. Same big display of school spirit on the gym floor. But up in the stands, instead of a sea of phones held high to capture the moment, We saw Faces. Big pep rally today.
No phones at the pep rally? Nope, nope, nope. No cell phones because this year students have to put them away. for the whole school day. Bell to bell.
Does anyone violate the policy? New York, along with most other states, has mandated cell phone restrictions in public schools. The others, they're considering legislation too. Which means a whole new world for kids. Nearly all of whom, from high school age on down, were born after the first iPhone hit the market.
We always have our phones, so now it's like, we can't even have our phone.
So it's like, can we even remember this moment like 10 years from now?
Sometimes, like, wow, I wish I had my phone. The fact is, smartphones carry much of their life stories. My name is Sonia Nye and I am 15. My name is Adam Cohen. I'm a senior in high school.
Sabrina Cruz. I am 17 and 15. We spoke to these Jericho High students. My name is Ryan Hassan. I'm 15 and I'm a sophomore in high school.
Cynthia Tian and I'm a senior in high school. as they were about a month into the new No Phones policy. I'm having In a sense, a little separation anxiety. Just a little bit, because I don't like, can't have my mom in my pocket, can't have my dad in my pocket, can't have my friends in my pocket. Inconvenient, perhaps, but.
phones if we even have to tell you had, in the opinion of most high school teachers, become a major problem in the classroom.
Social media. That was a big game changer. Brian Cummings is co-principal at Jericho High. students were relying on a cell phone for social interaction. students who are using the cell phones in class when they should have been paying cl attention to their teachers.
Now it's the students, too, who say they were missing something when they had their phones in class. I honestly realized that this year a lot of the things are pretty interesting. For example, like I was never a big history person. Like, I was always on my phone because I was like, this is boring. But this year, I was like, wow, this is actually really interesting because it relates to like.
my world right now. You're gonna take a look at this function. Without the phones now, especially like class discussions, they're like a lot more engaging.
So all his kids, I actually don't see a lot of phone use. At the University of Pennsylvania, the kind of school many Jericho families dream of.
Okay, look, part A. Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel has gone even further. banning all technology in his classroom. Aren't they already capable of paying attention?
You would be surprised they're shopping, they're Instagramming, they're emailing, they're looking at the newspaper. And by the way, it's not just phones, it happens the same, I know it happens with computers in the room, anything that has an internet link. And his students agree. The premise of a cell phone ban is that you are not capable of regulating your use on your own. And we're not.
It is now 1241 and period nine is about to begin. What's amazing about technology is it's improved in a million ways except for intercom systems, which are exactly the same as they were in 1960. Can you imagine going even further with the tech ban?
So not only is there no phones in the classroom, but there's no computers. That's how we fall behind as a generation. I think that's like a similar argument that we might have had like maybe 50 years ago with like calculators. In addition to calculators, Parental protection. You might say overprotection.
has become the norm. Any calls from parents who were worried? They were worried that they're not going to be able to be in contact with their students. If a parent needs to reach a kid and there's an emergency. course.
We'll pull him out of class immediately. Or you'll use the intercom system. Yes. Maybe the most compelling Counterpoint is the idea that we live in dangerous times, and you need to be able to reach the outside world, and the outside world needs to be able to reach you at all times for safety reasons. Let's solve the danger problem, not by using phones.
And a parent contacting a kid doesn't solve the danger problem, just assuages the anxiety. Oh, you're right. As for the kids, they are still sorting out what a phone-free school day means for their social lives. If you have a moment where you don't see any of your friends and you used to look at your phone then, What do you do? We've only had to move in for like four weeks.
I think we still need a little bit too much time to do it. My friends have like found this one gathering spot, so in between periods, if I can't find anyone, they're probably there. How do you go about making plans for lunch or for after school?
Well, at least for me, I usually just see my friends in the hallway, so I'd be like, oh, are you going to be in the lunchroom this, this period?
So you talk to people. Yeah. This kind of learning is also what makes their principal think the band. is working. You go into the cafeteria now, it's maybe twice as loud as it used to be.
I'm not even exaggerating. Why? More kids are talking to each other. One of the most important things of high school is the students learning to become better versions of themselves and get well-rounded. And how can communication not be a big part of that?
And at the end of a phone-free day. Is life better with no phones? This year compared to last year. I'm happy. Yeah.
It is. Yeah, I think I'm living more in the moment. Those moments are to be savored, they now realize, because while smartphones may go on forever. Their last year of high school Will not. A lot of sports teams they had digital cameras and stuff like that.
Like I took a bunch of photos with different people. It was more sentimental in a way to take it on the digital camera. It's like going back years from now before we were even born. Back in the day. Back in the day.
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Some have cheered its growth. Others are wondering, when does more become too much? Lee Cowan is on the front lines. Buenos dias a todos, buenos días. Good morning to everybody.
It's 11 a.m. on a Sunday in the heart of Hollywood, and the service at St. Stephen's Episcopal Church. is just getting underway. In nombre delays the pad and spiritual santo.
Amen. It was worshipped via the web. The church itself? was empty. just like during the pandemic when parishioners feared catching COVID.
Today it's empty. because they fear being caught themselves. It has definitely gotten a lot more tense out here. On June 6th, agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement descended on ambience apparel. A clothing wholesaler in LA's fashion district.
What crime did they make? What crime did they commit? Nothing. The pastor of St. Stephen's, Father Jamie Edwards Acton, whose congregation is about 80% Hispanic, Got a frantic call.
She said they got him. At first I had no idea what she was talking about because I was not. Thinking about it, right? Even with all the threats and the bravado and stuff, I was not thinking that it would happen directly to us. thirteen members of his congregation, were arrested that day.
The Trump administration no longer considers schools and hospitals and churches. protected sensitive locations anymore.
So the following Sunday Father Jamie, told the faithful to stay away. I imagine Just making that decision to close the church is not one that you made lightly. Not at all, but I was trying to balance Could we do church in person knowing? that a good portion of our community was too afraid. To Leave their homes.
It wasn't even people that were undocumented. I had longtime prisoners that I know for sure are the citizens and have been for a while and that were afraid to leave. They were afraid to leave their homes. In Los Angeles, that fear turned to anger. And anger.
In the violence. The raids were challenged in court. for being indiscriminate and based on skin colour. But ultimately, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled.
The raids could continue. Since then, in city after city, the administration has been testing the court's limits. especially in Chicago. Ice is running around the loop. harassing people for not being white.
Just a year ago, that was illegal in the United States.
Now ice is making it commonplace. Late Saturday, the Trump administration federalized 300 members of the Illinois National Guard. A move Pritzker. insists is unnecessary. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noam.
Has long defended the ICE RAIDS as only going after the worst of the worst. Nobody's getting swept up. We're running targeted enforcement operations across the country. But as those operations increased, So have assaults on federal agents. A gunman opened fire on an ICE facility.
A sniper attack on an ICE facility in Dallas. an ambush in El Dorado, Texas. A violent scuffle in San Francisco. And then there's Portland. Protests around the ICE headquarters there have sparked particular i.
from President Donald Trump. The President has directed Secretary Hagseth to provide all necessary troops to protect war-ravaged Portland and any ICE facilities under siege from attack by Antifa and other left-wing domestic terrorists. In fact, this past week while addressing top military brass, He suggested American cities could serve as training grounds for U.S. combat troops. It seems that the ones that are run by the radical left Democrats, what they've done to San Francisco, Chicago.
New York, Los Angeles. They're very unsafe places, and we're going to straighten them out one by one. And this is going to be a major part for some of the people in this room. That's a work. Between the President's desires and deployments, however, are often the courts.
Late Saturday a Federal judge temporarily blocked the National Guard from going to Portland. It's those kinds of decisions that leave some within ice itself. wondering if they're doing the right thing. What was it that made you so uncomfortable? in general.
I saw this push to find How can we accomplish the goal? With anything that seems legal enough. We're lumping people with no criminal history. who have been here for a very long time. with the worst of the worst.
As part of ICE's legal department, Attorney Adam Boyd provided guidance related to just how ICE officers performed their enforcement duties. There's no question. We have threats in our country. That's why the State Department and Homeland Security and the FBI and all these agencies work together to keep. people safe.
This doesn't feel like protecting the homeland any more. It feels like we're just hitting Okay. numbers and goals. Take the case of twenty-year-old Dylan Contreras, who came into the US from Venezuela. under a Biden-era mobile app.
Back in April though, DHS began revoking the legal status of many of those who used that app to apply for asylum. While his case was pending, Contreras had been attending high school in the Bronx, learning English. And working as a delivery driver. In order to get his mom and his two younger siblings, Helen 10 and Colleb 7. Out of a shelter.
Last May, Contreras did what he was required to do. He showed up for his court hearing in New York.
So on that day. You assumed this was just going to be another routine hearing in the process. Yes, I didn't think anything bad would happen. He wanted to enter legally. He didn't want to get in trouble.
He did it the right way. As they left the courtroom, however, his mother Raisa says federal agents followed them into the elevator. Like five people or something came at me and grabbed me, pushed me to the floor. My son screamed, and they grabbed him too, and put handcuffs on him. Just to be clear.
Dylan didn't have any criminal record. At all. Not at all. Not at all. Those who know him know.
His case for asylum was denied last month. Pending an appeal, Contreras will be deported. Leaving his mother, and his two young siblings behind. How are you doing? Mm.
Destrosad. Yeah. Devastated because I've always been with my children, and he's been my partner. He's always been more than a son, a friend, everything. The most recent ICE data though shows that those with no criminal record like Contreras Now make up the bulk of those being arrested and detained.
What the f? The Department of Homeland Security, however, is quick to list the violent offenders who have been captured. And there are many. As for Adam Boyd Well Back in May he resigned his position at ICE, citing unforeseen circumstances. How hard was it to quit?
It was A difficult Decision If you think something is wrong, Then you have to Recognize that. He's now working for a firm in Philadelphia. defending those Arrested by ICE. And that's no small task. After passage of the one big beautiful bill, ICE is now the highest funded federal law enforcement agency in the federal government.
I would tell everybody Who thinks that this would never happen to them, that it could happen to them? And people need to. Be ready for it and to think through the the possible you know, kind of responses to it. For Father Jamie Edwards Acton, that response is no more hiding. For any immigrant, legal or otherwise, This is the new reality.
So for those who are willing to come back the church is open again. With eyes out for ice, while they pray for peace. and understanding. Does it feel a little Like David versus Goliath, though. Yeah, but you know, David won that one.
Yeah. First cuttings The deepest. Maybe I know first cut is the deepest. His songs remain as memorable and meaningful as ever, but for many years, Yusuf Islam, Cat Stevens, has been a pretty elusive character. He's setting the record straight in a new memoir and talking with our Seth Doane.
You have to uh Admit I I've I've I've been misunderstood. Even when I wrote foreigner. I started with the words, there are no words I can use. There are no words. I can use the meaning still leaves for you to change.
Meaning, still leave for you to choose. And so the artist to try and explain. has got to work a bit harder. In a way, music was a byproduct of a lifelong search, says Yusuf Islam. The singer, also known as Kat Stevens, met us backstage in London.
Do you get something out of playing on stage that you don't playing alone? I'll get scared. Get scammed. Yeah. There's a lot of people, a lot of human beings out there.
But this musical giant who got his start in the 1960s and is now in his late 70s. can still move a crowd. You were having an emotional moment. Very emotional moment. Why?
Because when she was born, we used to listen to the music when I was pregnant. Nicole Perielis came to London's Hyde Park with her daughter, Natasha. He's time, though. In what way? He just, he has spirit.
He has soul. And it transcends I think my songs have always been kind of profound in some way. A lot of them are so relevant. to the world today, I mean wild world. Oh, baby, baby, it's so wild.
You know, come on, peace train. Strength found it. No. Right on the peace train Waiting for the train to arrive Boy, do we need it? Yeah.
I mean, they're relevant. It's a hierarchy. These core themes have endured. as his name has gone through its evolutions. I had a girlfriend who looked at me one day and said, Ooh, you look like a cat.
And I went, what? Hmm, that stuck, you know. And when I was looking for a name, because you know, it was going to be difficult to go into a record store and ask for like. Stephen Dimitri Giorgio's latest album. Do you think you would have been as successful as Stephen Dimitri Giorgio?
There's no, you can't play with fate. In his new memoir, Cat on the Road to Find Out. He explores family faith. career and ego. You reached Super stardom.
In your teens. But that, as you write, was also quite difficult. The problem with success is that it kind of detaches you from reality in some sense. Who are you? You know, are you that person on the screen, on the stage?
Uh or is there something more to you? I was looking for Some big answers. What all did you Try. Spiritually.
Well, you know, the bookshop is full of lots of different views of life and beliefs and philosophies.
So I was digging around everywhere. I think the most important thing was when I finally reached the Quran at the end, and that just brought everything together. He took the name Yusuf Islam. and believing that music was haram or forbidden, redirected his royalties to fund his charity efforts. auctioned off instruments, focused on family, and for nearly 30 years left music.
Why did you believe for a while that music was forbidden? It took me time to realize that a lot of What I was told in the beginning when I became a Muslim was not exactly. Right. Islam doesn't forbid anything that's healthy and morally good. How do you.
reconcile the you who put that aside. with the you who embraced Music again. You go through stages. At one time you can fall in love. The next time you're having such an argument with the person, you say, Where the hell, get out of my life.
You change. Your attitude changes according to circumstance. Context is key. He provides context to a controversial chapter regarding Salman Rushdie's novel, The Satanic Verses. which inflamed the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for the author's death.
In an appearance on a British TV program where hypothetical questions were posed, he was asked if he'd attend an effigy burning of Rashdi. I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing, but actually, no, if it's just an effigy, I don't think I'd be that move to go there. I mean, I've got A British sense of humour. I took it in a kind of slightly comical direction. It wasn't a good thing to do because nobody laughed.
So, you know, I kind of I made a mistake in thinking that people might uh might get the joke. But it was a serious issue, so I shouldn't have really done that. But people would have a joke you mean saying whatever, whatever. Preferred the real thing. Whatever, whatever, whatever.
When you saw the headlines after that. Do you worry even today that's the only thing that's not the same thing? You bring it up in the book, so it seems like. With this book, you partially wanted to set the record straight from your perspective. That's right.
I think I've done that. I've written a book. How is it to sit down and write something so personal, to go through the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful? I left quite a lot of the ugly out, actually, to be honest. You were hard on yourself at times.
It's good to know. I try to be honest in my writing of songs and in the writing of my book. This singer-songwriter who once gave up fame for faith. has now found his balance performing. As Yusuf Kat Stevens.
I let my music take me where my heart wants to go. How is it to be back performing using both names?
Well uh actually It's Very symbolic in a way because for a long time what I wanted to do was to separate myself in a way from my past and I did that.
So joining these two names together actually forms the complete picture. of like who I am and you just have to listen to the songs and it's they're biographical in themselves. I didn't have to write a book actually, just by the records, you know. We've heard plenty about how artificial intelligence is reshaping the workplace. But what could AI bring to the future of warfare?
With David Martin, we look to the skies. When you look at it from this angle, it's a pretty sleek aircraft. Think of what goes on in this hangar at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida as... Top Gun AI. This is one of our main test vehicles.
Major Trent McMullen is a fighter pilot learning to fly alongside the XQ-58. A drone piloted by artificial intelligence and a testbed for a new kind of Air Force. Have you flown with that? I have. I've flown Safety Chase on it for several missions.
messaging back and forth with the autonomy on board. How well does it maneuver? It takes a little bit of getting used to flying next to it. As humans, we fly very smooth, but it can roll and fly a little bit snappier than maybe a human pilot would.
Sounds like a rougher ride. It could be a little bit rough of a ride, but there's no human on board. Artificial intelligence is on board and now it's learning how to fight.
So what are some of the tasks that you could assign that aircraft? Hey, there's an adversary out there, perform an intercept on that adversary.
So, we've been able to give it some of the basic blocking and tackling of air combat. that we as human pilots also train on when we're first learning how to fly. The XQ-58 blasts off like a rocket. But a full-scale model took off from a runway for the first time in August. Could you?
Put weapons on it, absolutely. General Adrian Spain, head of Air Combat Command, is drawing up plans for operating AI-piloted drones alongside manned aircraft. You've told them to go out in front and to execute an attack on a complex set of targets. And they will Do that. Are AI drones capable of doing what you just described today.
But absolutely, we can it is possible today. An AI-piloted F-16 has already held its own in a limited dogfight against an experienced fighter pilot. A top gun AI. Other F-16s are being rewired for more realistic combat. Still got a cockpit.
Does it still have a pilot? It does. They can engage the autonomy on and then remain as a safety pilot.
So once the AI goes on, the hands come off? Yep, they'll be monitoring the system and ready to take over at a moment's notice. But we'll also have real live aircraft out there for it to fight against. Those jets will be piloted by real fighter pilots trying their best to outsmart the AI. How does the AI get in the plane?
Yeah, is it alright if I use your notebook? Yeah. So the pilot's actually going to hand carry something like a cartridge about this size out to the aircraft. And then we're going to have a receptacle for them to put that in.
So it's plug and plug. It's that simple. Are we witnessing a revolution? If we continue down this path, it has the potential to be a revolution. Retired Air Force Lieutenant General Clint Hindoat says it's a revolution born of necessity.
The Air Force was so good. for so long that it didn't need to change.
Now it needs to change and it's trying to figure out how. Changed because the Chinese Air Force, which recently showcased its newest jet fighters and its own AI drone, could be more than a match for the U.S. Air Force. If we have to fight China, we're likely doing it in their front yard. And that means they can bring many, many more things to bear than we can because it's just so far away.
You're having to achieve kill ratios of 10 to 1, 15 to 1, 20 to 1 to even stay in the game.
So, how do these war games come out when? American pilots are going up against twenty to one odds. the war games don't turn out very well. Wheelers. Wheelers.
The Air Force is counting on AI drones to even the odds. What does AI bring to an aircraft that a human pilot doesn't. The big thing with artificial intelligence is its ability to handle large amounts of data. a human out in a complex air combat environment. There's just no way to absorb all of it.
Artificial intelligence might be able to take all of the data information. and then process that very quickly and then make real-time decisions. AI drones will be about half the length of a manned jet fighter. and one quarter the cost. $20 to $30 million each.
You could buy more airplanes, put them in the field, and still not break the bank. The key would be is that you don't have to bring that human operator home. you actually can take more risk. How many of these are you planning to fuel? We expect to have up to 1,000 aircraft eventually and 150 by the end of the decade.
These drones aren't just going to. sit in a hangar waiting for War with China. What are they going to do in peacetime? It's pretty wide open. Could you send up AI drones to intercept those?
Russian bombers that come down off the coast of Alaska. Could you? Yes, you could do that. Those intercepts can turn nasty in an instant. Last year, a Russian fighter rocked an American F-16.
So AI drones would have to be prepared to shoot. Is AI going to be making life or death decisions. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. The human who's controlling the AI will make the life and death decisions.
At least for now. Increasingly, militaries around the world, including the United States military, are going to be pressured to. Give the machines more leeway in making those life or death decisions. Are we talking about?
Okay. giving them uh the capability to fire on their own. The United States military is investing in the experimentation that you would need to be able to produce the types of platforms that could fire on their own if you gave them that option. And if the other side Let's say I make the decisions. What happens?
I think they do so at their own peril because the AI can be fooled, the AI can be. Overwhelmed, it can give you false outcomes. We've seen that AI can hallucinate.
So it's not a guarantee of success. What it guarantees is that It will do something quickly. Don't you at least have to? Give your pilots that option? To go full autonomy?
And just let it go? I don't think America is comfortable with that yet. I'm not saying that couldn't be a future world that we live in where we trust it, but I don't think we're there right now, certainly, and certainly not to start. We have to build that trust over time. At Top Gun AI, pilots keep putting in the reps.
Test flight after test flight. Simulation after simulation. to build that trust. Would you rather go into combat with a human wingman? for an AI window.
When we're talking about the the threats of tomorrow. If I can send an uncrewed asset into a high-risk environment, I'd rather do that than send a human pilot. Started to cry but then remembered I It's Sunday morning on CBS, and here again. is Jane Hawley. At 32, Miley Cyrus is already nearly two decades into her award-winning career.
Reason enough to take note with Tracy Smith. You got the love I always needed. Time little horses and still wouldn't need. But you're not The voice is familiar and unmistakable. Came in like a ring ball.
Miley Cyrus has been in the public eye for most of her life. And you might know her music. But don't think you really know her. You mentioned at the top of our conversation that it feels like people know you. And I'm just wondering, what's that like to go through life and just have strangers think they I mean, I I love my life, so I don't ever really have I haven't made too much of a list of the things that are negative about it because there's so many great things, but I would say one of the things that I don't love and don't appreciate so much is when you meet somebody and they go, wow, you're like so cool, you're so smart.
You're nothing like I thought you would be.
So yeah, I don't, that's a tough one. You're looking like a mortar. Yeah. Yeah, no. Yeah.
So I throw Her ninth album might not be what you'd expect either. In Something Beautiful, Miley Cyrus stretches herself artistically. the beauty one finds alone. It's a prayer that longs to be shared. And, as one critic put it, Today you all got paid.
Tell me that. It takes her from pop princess to legacy artist. That's quite a leap. even for someone with music in their blood. Her mom, Tish Cyrus Purcell, is a producer.
Dad is country star Billy Ray Cyrus. Dolly pardons her godmother. Miley Cyrus lived with Shopiz royalty and that raspy voice. All her life. I've sounded like this since I was little.
My dad used to have all the country singers come over to the house, and George Jones would, you know, joke that I had. smoked cigarettes or been up all night, you know, even when I was four years old. alert in 18 seconds. She's your best friend, Miley.
Sooner or later, you're gonna have to tell her you're Hannah Montana. I picked later. At age 13, she was suddenly famous after being cast as Hannah Montana, a Disney channel series about a girl who was a typical teen by day. I'm still getting it right. And a pop star by night.
It's a role she's still proud of. How has your relationship with Hannah Montana evolved? I love her. She's everything. I would have nothing, none of this.
I mean, maybe I could have figured it out. Maybe I could have. Gotten myself from Nashville, Tennessee to Los Angeles. I don't know, but she did it a lot faster and better and set me up for the life that I have now.
So Love her. Gratitude. All of that. The years after Hannah Montana were, well, a bit less wholesome. Her 2013 MTV Music Video Awards performance was met with shock and outrage.
Especially among moms of young kids who'd grown up watching her as a Disney star. What did you think of all? I mean, there were moms that were trying to, I guess, cancel you. Yeah, I was the first person to maybe ever be canceled, I guess. How would you describe that time in your life?
Well, You know, I didn't know until I was older actually how brutal it really was because it was very I guess you know, challenging for other people, but for me It was a good time. It looked fun and it was fun. And it was fun. And it was fun. Eventually it was all a little too much fun.
Cyrus says she's been sober for a few years now. How has sobriety affected you? How do you see it?
Well, I like showing up 100%, 100% of the time. The hardest part about balancing Substance use or drinking when you want to do what I do is you're going, okay, well, now I have to get sober for this thing because I want to show up my best. And now I get to trim out so much of the preparation of getting yourself into the right place mentally and physically. I'm just always. Ready.
I can buy myself flour. Here's something she was ready for: Flowers, the biggest pop single of 2023, and her biggest record to date. She was also ready for this. And the Grammy goes to. Flowers, my residents.
It was her first Grammy ever and one of two that night. This award is amazing. But I really hope that it doesn't change anything because my life. It was beautiful yesterday. For Miley Cyrus, today is looking good as well.
We joined her this summer at LA's Million Dollar Theater where she was shooting a music video for the deluxe version of Something Beautiful. The song is Secrets. And if you think it sounds a bit like Fleetwood Mac, you're right. You can hear drummer Mick Fleetwood and guitarist Lindsey Buckingham on the track. Miley says she sees this song as a white flag of surrender, and her outfit is basically a white flag in itself.
Is it about your relationship with your dad? It is. The song, how did you know this? Did I say this number? That's good.
She told us the song is meant as a peace offering to her dad, Billy Ray Cyrus. They'd been estranged since her parents' divorce in 2022. How did your dad react when you gave him the song you gave it to him for his birthday? Yeah, my dad cried, which you know, you don't see your dad cry a lot, but with me and my dad, we just have always communicated better through music with each other. And you're at peace now with each other.
Yeah. And at 32, it seems Miley Cyrus is at peace with herself. I think the authentic joy of doing what I want to do has always eclipsed. The negatives. For me, I just, I feel really good.
And I really like who I am, and I like what I'm doing with my life. And I think if I was. Outside of myself, I would want to be a part of what I'm doing in any way that I could be because I think what I'm doing is cool.
So That feels good. I like what I do. Like who I am. I drink. Your?
Milkshake. I drink it up! Don't bully me, Daniel. Daniel Day Lewis won the second of a record three Oscars for his role in the film There Will Be Blood.
Now, after almost a decade-long hiatus, the sixty-eight-year-old Englishman is back. thanks to a young director, very near and dear to his heart. He's been called the greatest actor of his generation. Daniel Day-Lewis and my extra Daniel Day-Lewis. And there will be blood.
And the Oscar goes to Daniel Day-Lewis. Three-time Oscar winner. and reluctant star. The work itself has always been has remained um Uh nothing but a source of fascination and pleasure to me. the work itself.
The aftermath of the work has always been difficult for me. You know, you become.
Some extent a sales rep for that work. And I'm not good at that. I never was, and I'm still not. And that particular part of it, the public part of it, has always left me. feeling cut emptied out.
And eight years ago, He announced his retirement. But now. A clarification. I think that was a mistake. I think it just uh created a Uh kind of confusion and At the time I never intended to retire from anything.
I chose to stop doing one kind of work so that I could. perhaps concentrate on a different kind of work. It was part musical interlude. My youngest uh Son Cashel is a fiddle player. And once the idea took root in my head, like, I wonder if I could make him a fiddle.
That was that you know, things tend to yeah, I it's hard to let go of a thing. He made three.
So I've got the makings of the next one, but I just haven't got down to it yet. But something or someone was calling him back to film. It did surprise me to feel the the the the impulse um quite strongly again. And largely it was in response to The knowledge that Rona would be making films. It's hard to imagine living anywhere else.
I feel like the city really has its hooks in meat. 27-year-old middle son Ronan Day-Lewis brings credentials and expectations. His mother, filmmaker, and author Rebecca Miller, and grandfather, Playwright Arthur Miller. Was your move to film a surprise to your parents? Not really because I started making little movies with my friends when I was like seven.
Like when I was really young, I would always be the one kind of annoyingly trying to corral everyone into making a little movie on our dad's like flip camera in the backyard or something. Invisible man. Ray Stalker. Anemone is his directorial debut. Co written with his father.
The story unfolds in a remote cabin. How long was it, bro? Yeah. When you went limping off into the woods. What twenty years?
The first kind of concrete anchor I think was the idea of this man who's kind of in this form of self-exile that he's living in the middle of nowhere. think about it from time to time, but This is it. Jam, this is my life. For some reason that pertains to his past, he's kind of separated himself and banished himself to this isolated place. After 20 years, his brother arrives to bring Ray Stoker back to the son he's never met.
You're going to hell, brother. Family reunion. I felt I knew Ray. Fairly early on in the writing process. It just, I don't know why I did.
I just did. I can't explain it. Day Lewis is legendary for his immersive preparation. As fashion designer, In the boxing ring. In a wheelchair.
But after more than 20 film roles, one character remains elusive: Daniel Day Lewis. What drives him to such perfection? I've resisted analysis to a large extent because Maybe out of superstition, I thought it might interfere. with the impulse which was strong in me and still is. But um I mean Put on the spot, I'd say it's got something to do with that period of time, which was very bleak in my life when I was sent away to school.
His actress mother, Jill Balkin, came from a prominent British film family. His father, Cecil Day Lewis, who died when Daniel was fifteen, was well known in literary circles, perhaps not so well known at home. It's not that we never got to see him, he was a good man. But my only conversations I remember Having with them Oh, you when I was in trouble. which I was frequently.
for all kinds of different things. That's my memory of it. It may be uh distorted memory but In 1968, his father was named Poet Laureate of the United Kingdom. and Daniel was sent to boarding school. At eleven.
I felt like I was at sea. I had no friends, I was being bullied, I was scrappy, but in that place you're considered to be like just outrageously uncivilised if you took a swipe at someone, which I did now and then. Despite pleading, he was left to tough it out. It was my father's decision. He believed I should stay there, that I would feel a sense of defeat if I left.
But I don't think because he didn't really see me, he didn't understand the degree to which I was already defeated. And yet boarding school is where he discovered his life's work. I did a few little bits and pieces in school plays. And It wasn't the magic of the theatre for me, it was the alternative world. where everything around me seemed fairly dark, That was a place that was illuminated for me.
But Stardom came with a darker side, as he was forewarned by the head of a prestigious summer theater program for teens fifty years ago. He launched into a um a kind of cautionary tale about the world of professional acting and the theatre. about the sleaz and the And the corruption, and I was. Really quite Naive at that time, but something about what he said that day stayed with me. I never wondered about the work, but.
I began to wonder about the world that I was going into. And so I did reach a crossroads where I wondered whether perhaps I'd become a cabinet maker, a furniture maker instead. He seems to have found a comfortable place at the crossroad in Anemone. A reluctant father on film. and devoted father off camera.
Anemone is the culmination of a years long father son collaboration. Have you considered what trust that implies? What confidence in you that implies? Yeah. He never implied that that was a big deal, but I always felt that incredible sense of pressure, not wanting to let him down.
I felt that actually probably more deeply than the kind of external pressure of how. The film might be Received or the expectations that come with his. An unexpected return eagerly awaited. Yet Day-Lewis is muted in his expectations. We don't last long.
Film sometimes can have a long life, and I suppose you can't help hoping that.
Something of your work will be significant to a person in times to come, but there's yeah, no guarantee of that. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning. This October, Pluto TV has all the scares, all for free, with fan-favorite horror movies like Paranormal Activity, The Ring, Scream, and 28 Days Later. Pluto TV.
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