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Today on Building Relationships with Dr. Gary Chapman.
She was a success. She had everything going for her, but inside there was a deep struggle. She couldn't share when I was in the hospital as broken as I could be all these places and things that I had placed my identity had and my worth and were really beautiful thing is, it freed me to discover my true identity and I am holy love and have to perform my welcome to Building Relationships with Dr. Gary Chapman, author of the New York Times bestseller "The 5 Love Languages" . Today's story about a young woman understand her phone in God's eyes.
She made a decision that nearly cost Ellie Marie Smith tells her story of the book wonderfully made. Discover the identity love worth you were created that are website. Five love languages.com find out about that and more simple ways to strengthen relationships just go to five love languages process, author, counselor, speaker, Dr. Gary Chapman. During the conversation, today's good deal with mental health struggles as a counselor pastor for decades, you've probably seen a few people in your office who have struggled with mobile well it's an all too common problem today Chris many many different aspects of that of course in degrees of severity, but many many people can identify with having struggles showing the whole mental area of life taught often with the emotional area of life, true for sure. So I'm excited about our conversation today. I think people find real encouragement as we talk with Allie.
Let's meet her. Ellie Marie Smith is the founder and director of wonderfully made, a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping teen girls and young women know their true value. She's an award-winning author, speaker, podcast host certified life coach as well. She lives in North Santa Barbara County in California where she loves surfing and adventuring up and down the California coast with her husband Paul featured resource.
Today is her new book, wonderfully made. Discover the identity love and worth.
You were created for.
Find it@ 5lovelanguages.com welcome to Building Relationships hi Dr. Chapman, for having me and for having a conversation.
That's an honor to be with you today well before we get into your story does little bit about what you feel called to do with your organization wonderfully made.
I like that title swear I miss is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit ministry is really to help teen girls and young women know their God given value and lead spiritually, emotionally and mentally healthy lives and so we have said time young women's compensates for over 10,010 young women and their moms a mentor podcast for young women and the women who laughed and I'm doing, so the suicide rate actually skyrocketed and covet among teenage girls about 1% and began sending encouragement packages to teenage girls just to remind them that God has a plan for their lives. We also reach girls online through our blog are short sounds and social media. So anyway that we can really reach young women and affirm their God-given worth. We try to do that is exciting what you're doing. The numbers which are touching young girls in moms let's go back to your childhood did you feel wonderfully muddied when you were younger.
Well I young girl growing up in a good home. I did feel laughed and I did feel now and I even felt special.
And I did feel wonderfully man. I also believed in God and I knew God had created me and I got on time.
I hadn't clearly heard the gospel and I hadn't given my life to Christ and so is pretty spicy and competent young girl that really around each of 12, Dr. Chapman, my confidence in my feistiness began to fade, and I started experiencing unexplained feelings of unworthiness, sadness, loneliness, insecurity. Really looking back early symptoms of what would become clinical depression. Everything really change for me around the age of 12. Train whoever you were saying, but others as being successful. People like to. Everything seemed to be going right. Is that true yes outside it looks like I really had the idea life I excelled in soccer and in athletics. I got straight A's in school as part of the popular college and had friends with dad and friends and my family really believed that I was fine and I was trying to stake find behind my smile and under the surface.
I was really coming apart and what happened was to me after I graduated high school, I found myself in a deep, dark, and debilitating depression, unable to eat, sleep or talk and really my body was alive, but there was really no life within me. And so my parents admitted me to the psychiatric hospital. I was really wanted to end my life. I was put on any depressants that really set home. Three days later to do outpatient therapy all summer long. While my friends were out having fine and starting to decorate their dorm rooms. It was really not the plan I had for my life. What happened in June 2001 on a gloomy June day. I grabbed my car keys and I snuck out of our home in Silicon Valley with one destination in mind and that was the Golden gate Bridge, with the intention to end my life by jumping off the pain was excruciating. I was deceived. I really believe the lie that the world was better off without me. Anyway, I thought it was a burden and I thought this is the only way that I could end the pain and I was driving my car to the bridge and I got really close. It was up in the distance and I was driving semi recklessly and my tire had occurred and I got a flat tire and I remember sitting in my car just paralyzed. Not sure what to do despondent and there was a knock on my window and a silver haired kindhearted man asked if he could help me and he called for roadside assistance and I actually engage in a real conversation with Batman after not talking relief for class probably over a month. At that point I hadn't really had any real conversation with anyone and my encounter with Batman. He gave me a little bit of help and I turned around and went home to my family. But that wasn't the end of my struggles for my mental health.all a therapist recommended that I start college on the East Coast at the University that I was accepted to and I was on medication and counseling in depression was trying to lift a little bit but wasn't entirely gone and so my parents are trying to do the best that they could and so the way I went to college and it was extremely overwhelming. I stopped taking my medication I got in to very dark in a very scary place. I was very confused and I remember reading Gilgamesh in the library and all I could think about where the train tracks behind the library and you know about just what if I just went back there and just ended it all and so is very depressed.
I had to be fun, home, and I was readmitted to the psychiatric hospital in September 2001 I was actually I actually saw the twin towers be attacked by the from the TV room of the hospital and Dr. Chapman. I was broken as broken as a girl could be, and the beautiful thing is though, as Christians began praying for me and my family's life. I started to get a little bit of relief from the depression and I asked for a Bible and I began reading it for the first time in my entire life.
I remember poring over the Gospels and saying that Jesus loved this deck and love it broken and came to offer them love and belonging, and hope and healing and one day we were taken to the hospital chapel and a woman who is in the hospital with me began to sing amazing Grace, and in that moment really the desire to no longer live was beginning to fade and whiskey getting to be replaced by the desire to live and in that moment through a whispered prayer. I turned away from my my way of living and I surrendered my life to Christ and I've never been the same sense I have had struggles with my mental health. Since giving my life to the Lord. But today, by God's grace and with professional help and through living a healthy and clean lifestyle. I'm now driving free from symptoms of mental illness and I just hope I can share a message of hope with young women really anyone who may be struggling with similar experiences. This is Building Relationships with Dr. Gary Chapman, our guest today is Allie Marie Smith, author of wonderfully made. Discover the identity love and worth. You were created for. You can find out more. And here our program again at our website. Five love languages.com.
You'll find simple ways to strengthen your relationships right there@ 5lovelanguages.com. Allie is the founder and president of the organization wonderfully made, and if you have a teenage girl or young woman in your life. This is a resource that may help.
Again, go to five love languages.com your sharing your story was powerful appointment of our listeners going to notify you either died going through the outer member they have a daughter or son for that matter, going through that someone who suffered self-doubt and depression. Did you discover what your life was meant to be so well in high school I really placed my identity and for things and being a competitive athlete and being a student being accepted by my friends and in my appearance.
And so when I was in the hospital as broken as I could be had nothing impressive to offer all these places and things that I had placed my identity and in my worth and were really stripped from me. But the beautiful thing is, it freed me to discover my true identity in Christ that I am wholly and completely loved by him and didn't have to perform for my worth on. I love the quote by Brennan Manning that says define yourself radically as one beloved by God.
This is the true self. Every other identity is an illusion. And so for me it was it was a radical experience but coming undone really was a guest because I found the love of God that forever changed me, and in that I discovered my purpose in life was simple it was to live loved by God and to love others well and to share share Christ's love with other people in the process of phoning your own, you become passionate about helping teenage girls and young women know their God given value of their what wars are so important to yes I'm so passionate about teen girls and young women and really helping them discover their true identity and worth in Christ. And so we know that about one in four young women today are wrestling with a mental health condition, whether that's anxiety and eating disorder or depression or something else and relate to compound this girls are raised in a godless culture that tells them they are identity and were expounding there. And in their influence, and in their achievement and they're also really contending with the toxicity of social media, living their lives to their phones and everyday pressures of life and so as I said earlier Dan, the suicide rate among teen girls went up 51% and so our young women are really struggling really lost really confused really hurting.
And so I know personally for my story how hard it is to be a young woman alone, but to also be a young woman in our culture today. Yeah, I also know for my story and what God has done in my life that life is waiting for them when they received the help that they need to find their identity and value in God alone, and so I wholeheartedly believe that with a community and professional help when needed. Any girl or young woman can really overcome their struggles and find freedom and wholeness, loose measure hearing exactly what you do. Sure hope that is really better because when you go you don't see the hope right. I certainly didn't when I was in the middle of it what you believe good beauty and purpose open come from our brokenness.
I love staring at a Japanese form of pottery known as can still be and where the pottery takes a piece of pottery that has been broken and shattered into many many pieces and throwing up broken piece of pottery away the pottery takes all the shattered pieces and using a gold or silver lacquer men form together into a new piece of pottery that is actually more beautiful and resilient than it was before I came apart, and so rather than seeing the breakage as something to be despised. The pottery fees.
It really is a history of the object that brings it beauty and depth and soak in the same way God can take the shattered broken pieces of our lives and men then together. God can do beautiful things with a broken life and our suffering isn't the end of the story, we know that God's eternal plan for us is good.
Of course, our beloved verse in Romans 828 and we know all things work together for good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose. And so, in breaking and the key part is in coming to God, we can actually become her beautiful we might not look the way that we stop we lead that we can trust in God's eternal plan for us is good and he is our great Redeemer preacher broken pottery book book together. Look at Willow's but even more beautiful before, well obviously we have a rule that we cooperate with God you fight for your mental health and what strips can others take to do this.
Sure well because I have struggled so severely in my life. I take my mental health very seriously and I personally try to do everything I can to stay well and to be well and on top of that I daily pray for God's mercy over my mental health that I can continue to flourish and and live well.
So the first thing I do really is. I I live a very healthy and a very clean lifestyle. I've seen of question drugs and alcohol and I religiously guard my sleep. I exercise daily and very intentional about the fuse that I put in my body.
I make it a priority to get outside in God's creation to do the things that bring me joy that I'm passionate about, such as 13. I'm also very grateful for how God has used medication in my life.
I used to experience a lot of shame and a lot of assistance but for me it has been a guest and not everyone who struggles with the mental health needs medication that I take it with gratitude. I see it now is a gift and I take my vitamins and supplements and yachts and putting them into my my box my pillbox every week.
I say a prayer of gratitude for these tools that help me live a better life. Healthy. Healthy life.
And then I I also seek out really positive communities surrounding myself with positive friendships, family relationships, I always in touch with the counselor in case I need some additional support in case I need to make an appointment. I can call her and go in and see her.
I also have several mentors and friends and then I think a big one that has really helped me is continuously renewing my mind and this looks like memorizing scriptures choose declaration and really practicing gratitude in my thoughts. You know just the other day, I kinda found myself spiraling and I chose to be very intentional and really about my thoughts and so I started to just Alyssa. All of the things I'm grateful for and so constantly renewing my mind. I really believe in your plasticity, the ability of our brain to be transformed as the Bible talks about to create new neural pathways that are more beneficial ways of thinking and then I'm also very intentional about identifying things what color the weeds in my life. Things that are maybe rotting your peace and joy. Maybe it's a bad relationship or too much technology time and just being really wise about those in and getting us out of my life and so these are just some daily ways that I guard my mental health and that I pursue wellness overlook the practicality for your sewing also just a word about the medication part of running into some Christians who have the idea that the Christian should not medication for depression, for example.
But there is a physical aspect to depression, and medication can address the right, absolutely. I know I think as Christians because we can't see that we can't see our love to hunt broken brain like the way that we can see a broken arm, we can tend to virtualize that there is very much a physicality to mental illness and so on. I mean, I have II know what it's like to be completely suicidal and depressed and about six weeks later, after taking the right medication for that depression to list and to actually feel like a normal person.
I know God has used as a good gift in my life. I know I think I think are country may be overmedicated. Of course, is another conversation but for me personally.
I can only speak to my personal experience. God has used it as a good gift to help heal me to go think it's important to think we took medication for other physical problems.
Sometimes we think will do depression to spiritual thing or emotional thing, and medication can't help but it is a physical thing is you said medication can jump in here dear, you mentioned something that I also see two in the church and that is if you have a struggle like this.
A mental health struggle and you're getting help with medication there. There's as you said Ellie. Shame. Shame on you for doing this. Why can Jesus help you G Jesus enough and so many people who struggle with mental health issues then are already isolated because your you know you're listening to the things that are going on inside you are so loud and then that pushes you even further away and and compounds.
The struggle will I can't share this in church because the them to get to know people who are picking me apart or give me a verse that says you can't do this. So Ellie, how you how does the church come alongside.
Even if you feel like you were overmedicated in the country house church come alongside somebody who struggle.
Dr. Chapman, I'm still glad that we are having this conversation and I want to thank both of you so much for really being shame breakers for people who do struggle with mental with mental illness and their mental health. I think having conversations like these are just so heartening and I think there are churches now that even have ministries dedicated to helping people with their mental health, having conversations and I think if more people within the church beginning. Of course, the church leadership can really educate themselves because it is very hard thing to understand unless you been through it yourself, or you've watched a loved one, struggle, and the reality is we we are all impacted by this means someone we know ourselves someone we love has been affected by mental illness about one in five US adults have mental health issues, and so I think having these conversations, creating spaces ministries creating awareness and understanding just can really help so much in and help. Spiritualizing, yes we are spiritual people and their spiritual components to it, but like we talked about. There is a physicality to it and we can't deny that will really appreciate your sewing.
From someone who's been through depression over listeners are phone porch or something because yes, there is a spiritual dimension, no question about the book, God often uses people to help people and got open use medications to help people realize that were not. We don't pull away from something that God is designed to help us. So I really appreciate your sharing that as well.
We hope today's broadcast is encouraging to you friend about our program.
They can hear the conversation with Allie Marie smith@ 5lovelanguages.com Dr. Gary Chapman is our host, author of the New York Times bestseller "The 5 Love Languages" are featured resource today is the book wonderfully made. Discover the identity love and worth. You were created for. You can see it@ 5lovelanguages.com as we continue our conversation. What is one of the biggest laws you believe girls and women volume 2 today.
While I think as our culture has changed and social media has taken such a prominent role. I think many girls and young women really believe the lie that they must live out loud online and do big things for young women today. The portrait of success often looks like a massive social media following an influence and an influence can look like popularity, and an ideal image in looking a certain way and so I think today's girls think that they must be follow worthy and accomplish impressive things in order to have worth and value, but of course we know God expect any of these things from us, and in fact he invites us to lead their counterculture really like my grandmother Mary and my dad's mom. She endured the Great Depression and World War II and she lived mental and a hard-working life. She was fully present and engage with their own life and her life wasn't fancy by any means, but it was a beautiful and joy filled and faithful life and I think really instead of chasing the world sports success.
God invites us to live faithful lives. That really make the world better, and I like to tell girls and young women that there is a difference between being a social media influencer and being a woman of influence being a social media influencer is really about the idol of self is about vanity metrics about likes and comments and sponsorships in the perfect image being a woman or girl influences about impact it's about making a difference in the lives of people around you and so you know for some of the first some girls you know in the world's eyes are lies might look simple and they might look ordinary and it might not generate a lot. Social media followers but I like to remind girls and young women that God has written a unique story for that. That is just as valuable as a girl who gets all the praise and attention. So I think girls and young women are really God inviting them to lift counterculture really and and perceived deep and meaningful lives like the concept to wake up to recognize the only one. Presence is a very new thing. Thousands of people have lived without beforehand though it's become so predominant in influence, especially as producer and young girls and young people and young adults know your book like the title wonderfully made. What is it mean to be wonderfully swear well I thought to go back to the left.
Psalm Psalm 139.
I'm sure many of your listeners are already familiar with it, but just in case it to anyone I want to share. Verse 14 in which David says I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made your works are wonderful. I know that full well and is just such a beautiful verse.
The whole Psalm is just full of depth and beauty about how God knows us so intimately.
And loves us so deeply and for that I think is important to remember that we didn't wonderfully evolve. We been wonderfully made.
We have been created and we have been made with great purpose and so to be fearfully the word fearfully really means to stand up to be. I reference risk back on wonderfully inspiring delight.
Extremely marvelous good means knowing that we and believing full well that God created you with intention and purpose in wonder and beauty. And I think one of the key parts of this verse is David says to God, I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
He doesn't praise himself. He praises God for creating him. And when we have a high holy view of God we have a healthy view of ourselves.
One is neither insecure or prideful, but is powerfully confident in who God created us to be and so be wonderfully made is not just about praising God for who he created us to be, but especially also for who he is and this verse became so important to me.
I still remember the day that I first read it when I was 18.
After being in the hospital and it really became like an anthem over my life pointing me to my true source of worth after depression told me I wasn't worthy of living and that's why I just wanted every girl every young woman really every man, every woman to know that dad what it truly means to be wonderfully made by God when we sleep, it changes the whole. In our culture you mentioned earlier, the whole concept that we are simply a part of an evolutionary scheme and we are really nothing more than animals just a little more intelligent animal. If that's the view we take of ourselves. There's not much working but we took the view that the Bible has shared that we are made by the living God while powerful, to perceive ourselves and the way God perceives us well what we seen in the news headlines a lot about mental health celebrities were speaking out about their own struggles. Is it helpful to know that you're not alone in these challenges, absolutely. I think for yourself along in our culture, we didn't really talk about mental illness and have conversations about mental health and now it's really being normalized decedent headlines all the time.
Celebrities and athletes sharing their stories and said 20 years ago when I was going through my my.
It wasn't really even talked about that sentence.
I think you know in some ways, we have come a long ways and like I shared about nearly one in five people live with mental illness and I'm just really glad that we are starting to talk about it more in the church and I can share. There's even ministries dedicated to helping people who are struggling and so I think it really helps people because when you're going through it at this depression specifically and nature of the illness is it is so isolating and it makes you feel so alone and so you're the only one who is ever had the six. And of course we know that it is not true.
And so I think I think it is helpful that were having these conversations and people are sharing their stories and the stigma is starting to fade a little bit as we really normalize that. I think we we really come a long ways in a short period of time so I I'm hopeful to the young girls and young women who were loosened here in your story either struggling now with this in their own lives.
What would you just say to them directly because there there there listening, what would you say to you are profoundly love and your life matters immensely.
You are not as alone as you think you are and your struggle is not your identity and this isn't the end of your story and God is the source of your true identity value and purpose, and you know the world will offer you a cheapened life that Jesus has come to give you life and give you life to the full cell. I hope that you will seek after him wholeheartedly as you discover who you really been created to be and are divided into a beautiful story, one that is about loving other people and serving God and it's just a beautiful adventuring God can take what ever struggle.
You may be going through and he doesn't waste that he can use it for good and he can take all the broken pieces of your life and put you back together even more beautifully wanted to give your website were these young girls and young women can turn interest, follow up with Walter swear our website is wonderfully main.org and you can find information about the about our podcasts and everything that we offer there so we got to have young women mom's parents visit us. There is good what you're doing. Just want to point as many people as we can into the ministry that you're having because someone is going through. This speaks with a lot more authority than someone who is not going through this and so I want to point people to your ministry do so again thank you for thanks for joining us today for Building Relationships with Dr. Gary Chapman, author of the New York Times bestseller "The 5 Love Languages" you can find simple ways to strengthen your relationships at our website.
Plus, see our featured resource by our guest, Allie Murray Smith. Her book is titled wonderfully made. Discover the identity love and worth. You were created for. Again, find out more at 5lovelanguages.com only what would you say to a father whose hearing this just doesn't know how to handle some of these difficult questions facing really is temptation just to pull away sir well see an ugly presentation for a lot of fathers is to do one of two things is either to disengage or to try to fix their daughters and so instead I waited challenge the father to really spend time with his daughter and and really speak. Her love language and it is also really the role of the father. Of course, to protect his daughter and depending on what his daughter's situation as it may look like implementing clear found in social media boundaries for her to really protect her mental ill health and now we know that Instagram and other apps are highly toxic to teen girls and and on that note I really believe social media is the last place any girl should be. Who are struggling with with their mental health and so it it it also may look like getting your daughter into Christian counseling and having difficult conversations with her I think is helpful to remember that teen girls and young women are looking for love. They're looking for significant acceptance and belonging in the world can't fulfill these core desires the way God can in no way a loving family and a positive faith-based community can so I I want to encourage any fathers, but that is not you. You really have an opportunity to to minister to your teen daughter and to meet her with these needs and so I would encourage him to keep fighting for his daughter because she really needs him more than that. He probably thinks he does so important for fathers to hear of your role is absolutely important to believe initially and the Bluetooth are two important steps women can take to thrive toast with a strip store years ago my husband and I bought our first home and in California. Don't get too much for your money here so we had a tiny backyard and so as a reluctant gardener I realized that about $0.75 of my job was to pull the sinister leads that were suffocating the life out of my need a plant and and so I think that in order to really blame him for flourish, it can be helpful to think of our lives like a garden and to really do two things pull the weeds in our life and tend to our own garden and so often there are things in our lives that are sucking the joy out of us. You know could be a toxic relationship an addiction or a hotbed. And so, with God's help, we can ask for wisdom to identify what these weeds are in our lives, and then with his help to pull these weeds out of our garden to really help us live more beautifully in the concept of really tending to our garden is to invest in our own lives to be present with their actual lives to attend our dreams to be faithful with what we've been given to steward by God given us well not to look over the neighbors fence to see what's blooming over there so I just think the principle of pulling or are we intending to our own garden can really help us try and flourish and bloom like a picture, reads to do your own garden token women go from being at war with them, so to bring it peace with who God is my life. Every woman's journey like Steph, Fran and I can mostly speak about my own experience. Of course I girl and a young woman who is really at war with yourself, you know really believing the lie.
The world is better off without me. And today I am a gentle and kind friend to myself. I enjoy my own company and so I do believe and know from my story. It is more than possible with God's help to go from being your own worst enemy to treating yourself with kindness and with dignity. And of course inviting Christ internalized surrendering our lives to Christ is one of the first steps we can take to making peace with ourselves because we know when we know God. We know our true value and worth it changes everything, and so on. I love the verse in second Corinthians. I think it's chapter 3 verse 17 says where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
And so we know that the Holy Spirit on a spying spiritual battles for us on our half breaking down the lie that we believe replacing a shame with with love and and so I think the renewing of our minds is also another key way that we can be transformed that we can arise back, shame, and the lies and go on to believe true things about God, about ourselves and about her future and I think holding ourselves to standard of grace and not perfection you breaking up what I call it breaking up with ideal self, you know, for so long. I had this ideal picture of who I needed to be who I thought I should be and what I needed to look like and that pandered idealism and perfection with me self focus that it was. I was also keeping me from the life God had for me on the course receiving professional help for me personally is been key, and overall commitment to treat myself with kindness and dignity is really in alignment with my God-given worth and identity, so I just might offer woman hope that if they are feeling like they are completely at war with themselves on that God can help fight for you and lead you into place for you experience more peace about who he created you to be and walk in truth and instead of shame and in the lies of the enemy. You alluded to this concept of rubber than being at war with yourself outward focused life. What input does the owner will be so will you know for me as a teenage girl whether is my depression are normal teenage insecurity, or both. I was I was really really consumed by myself and I wasn't able to love people well in my life because I was well inward focus when I was 17.
Something beautiful happened. I volunteered at a YMCA summer camp and I met Brian and Brian was about a year older than me and she had down syndrome and Brian taught me about the beauty of self forgetfulness and how to live what I called an outward focused life.
He just made everyone feel so loved and important and was always looking to the needs of other people, and I found myself being completely at ease in his present, and so I know from my own life that the more self focus. I then the more sick I had been. And so while there may be seasons in our lives when we are struggling and it's really hard to look beyond ourselves and it's hard to serve other people. We really have been created to lead outward focused lives and so the more that we can rest in our God-given worth and look for ways to love and serve other people, the more freedom we experience more holy feel on and so there is just great beauty and in the living outward focused life as it really frees us from the idol of self and her insecurities and her shortcomings and puts our attention and our gaze on loving other people well.
"The prescreening is actually phoned in serving others is representative of Jesus were doing reaching out and looking for ways and means, and people we can minister to work with the greatest possible sense of worth and value in our lives as we come to the universe time today. What do you hope happens as a result of this book under your organization which is called wonderfully made. What is your vision what you hope. I really hope we can see a generation of young women confidently walking in their God-given identity value and worth. And I hope young woman will come to see that the lies God invites them to sell much better and more beautiful and more adventurous what the world has to offer and I really hope young woman will believe that their struggle is not who they are not there identity and believe that with Jesus, help and professional help when needed. They can really rise what ever they may be going through. Whether it's mental health issue or another struggle and I hope that they will really also come to know that not only their value but also the women who affirm God-given worth than others and live meaningful and purposeful outward focused lives will be my desire to go to school to use this book group, among other things, to help a lot of young women and young girls just like you again for being with us today and let me encourage you to continue the ministry that goes on think he was such an honor to be with you. Thank you so much for having this conversation and for your support over conversations give a little insight into the real struggle little old that I think teen girls and young women to be hope Valley website to get his wonderfully made the Lord story is told in the book wonderfully made. Discover the identity Leavenworth were created and Ellie Marie Smith is better just to find out more.
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