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We have got a great conversation, all the books for you guys today. But before we do anything else, we want to welcome our host, Dr. Abadan Shah, who's a PhD in New Testament textual criticism, professor at Carolina University, author, full-time pastor, and the host of today's show. Dr. Shah, I gotta say, man, you are looking really cool.
The fit is unfair. You've been wearing a lot of lighter colors lately in honor of Summer, and I gotta say, I'm into it.
Well, I can give credit where credit is due. This is not me, this is Nicola. I love it.
So, I did not even pick this shirt. In actuality, I was picking a different color. We went to Cosmo, Mexico, for our 30-year anniversary. And so I saw. These these Caribbean shirts, or whatever they call them.
Like the Hawaiian Caribbean. Hawaiian, Caribbean. Yeah. And so I was like, ooh, I like that. And so I went.
Immediately gravitated towards this, it had the. The palm leaves look, but they were very white shirt. dark blue, almost like black. Um Palm leaves or you know just kind of Pattern. That's it.
Yeah. Very, very plain. I was like, oh, I love that. That's what I'm going to wear. She's like, no, no, go for this one.
I was like, this one has so many colors. She's like, No, that's what's gonna look good on you. It does look good. It does look good. And I didn't want to.
But I'm glad it was because I think it was a big compliment. Yeah, did you think it was like too loud or something? Like too busy? Like me. This is not how I don't wear I wear like that.
Like solid colors. But I think the fact that it's not like you, I think it makes it stand out. And then you start looking at it and like, it actually is. It is a cool shirt. It's a Philippines shirt.
Yeah, yeah. It is. And now I'm like, oh, I'm glad I did that. It's nice. It's really nice.
Shout out, Nicole. Shout out to Nicole. Yes. Our verse of the day today is coming to us from Philippians chapter 2, verse 5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.
That's right. Dr. Shaw, your mind is such a precious thing. You know, your mind is given to you by God. And his desire is that our minds be conformed to the mind of Jesus.
You know, you did a whole series on how to reset your mind that was based in Philippians 2, where it says that, let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus. That's right. That's right. That series was called Mind Reset. Mind Reset.
And we focused on Philippians chapter 2, which is known as Carmen Christi, the hymn of Christ. Whether it was really a hymn or not, I guess, you know, there's a lot of arguments there. But it was about let this mind be in you. It's about letting the mind of Christ become your mind. And that's the work of the Holy Spirit.
Once you know Christ is your Savior, the Holy Spirit is in your life, and He is actively, He is the Creator Spirit, He is the life-giving Spirit. He is known as the spirit of life. In Christ Jesus.
So his job is to create life where there is death. And the life that he's creating is the life of Jesus. And every moment as you by faith stand in that fact that the Holy Spirit is in you, He is actively creating that life in you. But You can inhibit that life. Yes, yes.
And I think a lot of people forget that: that God cares about how you treat your mind. Yeah. You know, your mind is so precious, but we throw it away like it's like it's a useless commodity. Yeah, like we can just, you know, sort of think and do whatever we want and just kind of expect to not incur any damage as a result. But your mind is a precious resource that God has given you.
Don't do anything to compromise it. And don't focus it on idle things. Keep it focused on God as He is creating that life in you, that new, that Christian life. Keep your mind focused on Him. You know, speaking of idle things that mess with your mind, Dr.
Shaw, I would say that I think it's safe to say neither of us are really huge sports fans, but I know that we do share an affinity for boxing. I know you kind of have a soft spot for boxing. I really like boxing. I watched boxing a lot when I was a kid with my dad.
So I felt like it was a little disheartening to see Iron Mike himself. Get on Fox News and lobby for Trump, for President Trump, to start changing federal cannabis policies. I didn't even know this, but I did a little bit of digging. Uh, and it turns out that he is trying to get into cannabis and has been for like three or four years now. I didn't realize it was that long.
Yeah, yeah, no, he he did a segment uh like three years ago talking about how he wanted to get into the cannabis industry and was trying to start his company, but was finding um federal roadblocks, I guess you could say, regarding cannabis, and which I mean, no surprise there. Yeah, what did you expect?
So he's gotten together with uh a bunch of these different um These different celebrities. Actually, it's from the NBA. There's Kevin Durant, Alan Iverson. You got some NFL stars in there, Antonio Brown, Ricky Williams. Dez Bryant's in there.
Yeah. And so they're all. Very open on this goal, which is to write to President Trump and say, hey, we want you to lift. Like, cause. Marijuana is is federally illegal, but some states have overridden that and say here in this state it's illegal.
They're saying, hey, we want complete freedom. We want to get into the into the um Cannabis industry. Yeah, and I've always been a big fan of Mike Tyson, you know, but When he said what he said recently, or what he's been trying to push, I am very, very disappointed. Same. And he should, somebody needs to explain to him.
No, I'm sorry. There are other ways to make a living. Yes. I'm. Praying that he will open his eyes and see the truth.
I agree. I know that marijuana is not a new thing. I mean, I know that it's been around for a while, but it feels like this push toward legalization and this push toward making an industry out of it. Let's put taxes on it so we can bolster the economy and all this kind of stuff. I feel like that's a recent development.
Is that true, or has that been there as well? I mean, it's been there for quite some time, just trying to make it such that it is not as bad as smoking. Yeah. It is not as bad as drinking. And this is recreational.
This is something that, hey, we should not be making a big deal because for thousands of years, people have been doing these kind of things and it's just relaxing. And that is flat out a lie. That's true. It's a lie. And a lot of the people who are actually pushing back, because Mike Tyson went on Fox News, I think, yesterday or two days ago and.
And kind of gave this spiel. I didn't realize this at the time, but they actually wrote a letter to President Trump. I'll read a portion of it. And when I say they, I mean Mike Tyson and this group of. Multi-millionaire entrepreneurs, by the way.
These are not like freedom fighters like fighting for the little man. These are like very, very rich athletes and celebrities. But the letter says today, people continue to serve lengthy federal sentences for the conduct that is now legal in most states. It's not legal in most states, by the way. That's not true.
Which makes their continued incarceration not only cruel but absurd. After making sweeping promises to voters in 2020, former President Biden failed to deliver on his pledge to address marijuana-related injustices. Not only did he leave office without commuting the sentences of those incarcerated for marijuana, but in one of his final acts, he denied nearly every pending marijuana-related clemency application.
So, which kind of leads me to believe, like, why all of a sudden am I supposed to believe that Mike Tyson and these multi-millionaire celebrities care about the people sitting in prison? Right. Marijuana-related crimes. No, it is just like the whole global warming and climate change people, you know, trying to help us with our carbon footprints. It's simply another way to make money.
Sorry, Al Gore. I mean, his time is done. Here comes Mike Tyson. Oh, no. You don't want to be the next Al Gore.
Yeah, you know, trying to sell carbon credits. And here we're trying to sell a mindset. set or a lifestyle which is going to put money in their pockets and put a lot of people in the grave and a lot of people in a lot of trouble. Can you talk for a second, Dr. Shaw, to the people who would be listening to this and thinking, well, you know, marijuana is not a synthetic thing.
It grows. It's a naturally occurring thing in the world.
So how would we classify this as something that's bad? It's everything grows. Exactly. Just because it grows. A lot of poisonous plants out there.
They're also growing. Yeah. You know, they actually asked. Him, you know, these questions on Fox. We actually have a clip.
If you want to play that clip, we can kind of listen. Because I think once you listen to him start to explain this, pretty much all these arguments fall apart. I mean, I hate to say it, Mike, stick to boxing. Yeah, and I'm sorry that silly thing that you did with what's the guy's name? Yeah, that didn't work out.
You could have kicked us behind. But, anyways, let's watch the clip. How do you categorize it with heroin? Anybody that ever smoked cannabis know there's no comparison, and that's just ridiculous.
So, we're working on making a schedule three and open up safe banking because there's over 500,000 people that can't get loans because they're in the cannabis business alone. And that's just so ridiculous. It's such a great income of insurance for the country and income I mean for the country. And I just can't see it as ridiculous. Income for who?
Mike Tyson? Right, like income for these multi-millionaires as a source of income. Income for the country. You're going to offset the trillion-dollar debt in America with cannabis sales? No, you might line your pockets with it.
Look, I mean, I've shared this story before. I was at a conference in Denver years ago, and walking down Main Street, if you've ever been to Denver, there is a train that kind of runs. It's like a small. It's not even a subway, really. It just kind of goes from, you can just hop on it and then hop off wherever you want to.
And it was so sad to watch young people Okay. Whether it's in the train, on the train seats, or on the side next to big stores or The local fast food restaurants outside. I mean, they were just lying there, faces covered with sores. It was the saddest sight. And I was like, That kid could be my son.
Yeah. That's true. And here they are because these are some of those states where marijuana is sold and very openly, legally. And it's very tragic to watch what Happens here. And a lot of people make fun of that.
The gateway drug. It is. Yeah, it is a gateway drug. That's called that for a reason. And I think it's really funny how they'll try to offset that by saying, even Mike Tyson says later in that clip, he says, you know, this is not a drug, this is medicine.
But a lot of people actually say that it's medicine. This is medicine. For your backache and for your migraines. No, I'm sorry. What other medicine do you smoke?
What other medicine do you roll up into a piece of paper that has no dosage at all and you light on fire and you smoke it? Right. Well, even if they're talking about things like the oil that's derived from it, or they have it into a pill or something like that, there's so much that's associated with cannabis, that's associated with marijuana that, I mean, the detriment far outweighs any sort of perceived benefit. I don't know how to say this, but I guess I'm going to try here. The boomer generation, okay?
Some of the great things that came out of the boomer generation, they fought against the system. They stood up and advocated for people who were mistreated or prejudiced against. Thank you, thank you.
Okay. Other things they did was like bring to light that if there is abuse going on, hey, that needs to be brought to light. There is a place for counseling and therapy.
Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you, Boomer Generation. But I also want to say to the Boomer generation, there's a lot of garbage y'all brought as well. That's true.
And this is, I believe, one of the last vestiges of garbage that has been left for us. for Gen Xers, for Millennials, for Gen Z, and I'm hoping Not for Gen Z. And I hope, definitely hope not for Gen Alpha. I think with the trend that we're seeing, I believe that will be the case. I think you're right about it.
It's got to be flushed out. It's kind of, I was going to say it's kind of funny, but it's really kind of sad because when you see teenagers and 20-something-year-olds, and maybe even like when you start getting into 30s and 40s, it's like, and you're advocating for marijuana to be legalized. It's like, dude. That's kind of pathetic.
Well, I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah. What's the goal with marijuana? Other than like, my life is undesirable. I want some form of escape.
Yeah. Something to numb what's happening or some way to just d deter my mind from. from what's going on in the world. It's not like a good thing that teenagers and 20-something-year-olds do it, but at least I understand it. It's like, okay, you're depressed, you're trying to find your place in this world, you're going about it the complete wrong way.
But then it's like walking into like a bar and seeing like 30-somethings, 40-somethings, 50-somethings. And it's like, dude, I don't want to call you a loser, but come on, man. Like, this is one thing. You're going on Fox News and talking about how it's hard to get a loan to sell. Let's go to the facts because I think so far we've been talking about a lot of things based on our experience or our convictions.
And those things are very important. But just looking at the CDC website, okay, some of the things that It says about cannabis is the most commonly used federally illegal drug in the United States. Tragic, right? It is what it is. And then it says, That three in ten people who use cannabis have cannabis use Disorder.
Yeah. That's actually, that's a lot. Three out of 10 doesn't sound like a lot. It's a lot. But when you say it's 30%, 30%.
Yeah, that's a lot of people. That's a lot. I would say it's more. Yeah. Because there are a lot more people who may not ever come out and say, I have a problem.
True. Very true. I mean, I I'm afraid to take Painkillers, okay, like a Tylenol or ibuprofen or Advil, I'm afraid to take them because. I don't want anything to dull my mind. I want to be as sharp as possible.
For you to do things to dull your mind. Yeah. On purpose. On purpose. Because temporarily it feels good.
And I want to talk about that in a few moments. But but let's go back to the C D C website. It says the risk of developing cannabis use disorder is even greater for people who begin to use it before age eighteen. Yeah, I believe that. Yeah, your mind hasn't developed yet.
Some of the people who have left this behavior, this addiction, talk to them and they will tell you, Yeah, I remember doing that back in the day, man. Oof, that was not a good thing. None of them say, Wow, that was awesome. I wish I could go back to them days. Yeah, and I know there's some who will say that.
I'm sorry, you need to get saved. But most people will not say that. They will say, Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm so glad God got me out of that. It's by the grace of God, I am what I am. That's right.
Because that was not a good thing. That's what most people say. You're right. Again, going back to the CDC website, it says cannabis use directly affects the parts of the brain responsible for get ready for this, memory, learning. Attention, decision-making, coordination, emotion, and reaction time.
Wow.
So, so you're okay with giving all those up? Yeah, just go ahead and cut into your resources in each one of those categories. I was just about to say, Yeah, I've never met like someone, yeah, I've never met someone who smoked pot who came across as confused or glazed or didn't know where they were. Like, yeah, of course, that's what it does. Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly what it is. I'm gonna read that list again because someone is watching right now, or someone is listening right now who needs to hear this because you're flirting with this, or maybe you're allowing your children to do this, or you think it's okay for culture to adapt this, or whatever Mr. Mike over here is talking about.
Sorry, you're not iron mic anymore for me. It affects your memory. Your learning. Attention, decision making, coordination, emotion, and reaction time. Maybe he did lose that fight.
Maybe that loss was genuine and indicative of a larger problem. I know. I was watching. I was like, man, I can't believe it. This has to be fixed.
But now I'm thinking, man, maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was high. Maybe he was high in the ring. Yeah. Something else over here.
Infants, children, and teens. Because their brains are still developing. Are especially susceptible to the adverse effects of cannabis. Infants, children, and teens. Wow.
Yeah. The rest of their lives. And oh, I know so-and-so used to do that. I used to do this, and look where I'm at. I mean, you call me a field.
Glad it worked out for you. Yeah, but you're the exception. Yeah. Also, don't ignore that God may have protected you. There you go.
The good adverse side effects could have been coming to you. Good point. Praise God that he kept his hand on your life. Exactly. Here's a couple more.
Again, this is coming from the CDC website. Long-term or frequent cannabis use has been linked to increased risk of psychosis or schizophrenia in some users. Yes. I know personally several individuals. You know, when you pastor in a town where we've been here for now, coming up.
what, twenty like twenty six, twenty seven twenty seven years, right? We came here in nineteen ninety eight. This is uh twenty and twenty six uh twenty five.
So coming up almost almost thirty years, right, but not quite. Uh I know people uh who Struggle with this. They're not at clear view, but I know them because of. Using these kinds of drugs, I believe it, and marijuana. I believe it.
I mean, what else does it do? That's what its purpose is. Right. And I know you throw out words like psychosis and mental illness, and it's like, no, no, no, it's not that serious. But like, what does marijuana do?
It's only there to alter your mental state. Exactly. And here's the last one, just so we can conclude this CDC study. Using or their report, using cannabis during pregnancy may increase a woman's risk for pregnancy complications. Yeah, I believe it.
Pregnant and breastfeeding women should avoid cannabis. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean I'm I'm Saddened that people are pushing for this, but I'm very hopeful that our president will. will stand for the For the truth, which is not to allow this to go on.
And I was watching earlier a report where there's this. This professor was talking to several people in New York State and advocating for this for especially for senior citizens, grandma and grandpa. I'm like, please, that's the last thing they need. You know, they're struggling. Our minds already get slippery when we get older.
I don't want me my smoking dope. Like, come on, y'all. Yeah. Well, you know. Woodstock is over.
Come on. You know, we. I got to give you that one, my friend. We can't go back. I was going to give it to you when you said maybe Mike Tyson actually lost the fight, but Woodstock is over.
Woodstock is over. Hashtag Woodstock is over. Look at it through a documentary or look at pictures on Google. Yeah. You'll find some.
But they're saying that on teens. Um the there is difficulty thinking and problem solving. that comes through this. Problems with memory and learning, reduced coordination, difficulty maintaining attention, problems with school and social life. These are some of the things that they're dealing with.
And this professor who who looked like just listening to her and and watching, uh they were not from here, like originally, and I'm thinking, What if your motivation is to tear down This generation in America. What if that's your motivation? What if you're doing this on purpose? I mean Imagine what would happen to your children And my grandchildren one day, if they were to fall for this. I mean, it's over.
Because now, this generation, all they want to do is just sleep and get high. And I know some people will laugh at it and say, oh, you're so naive. You can laugh away, but we know, we've seen it. Yeah, go to the states where this is legal. Go to the states where this is.
I mean, we've been there. We've been to Colorado. We've been to Arizona. We've been to a lot of those states. And you can't get out of a parking lot without smelling it everywhere.
The people, they don't look the same. You can tell. You can tell that. They're blaze. And even here, when you see that, because you know it's happening, and it's very tragic.
And I talk to families all the time who have a teenager or. Or an adult in their sixties doing this. Why? Because it never got out of the sixties. They're still doing it.
And it's so tragic to listen to the family and saying I don't know what to do with them and I have to take care of my uncle because that's you know, he's an addict and it's sad, man. And I'm like I don't know what to say other than I'll pray for you. Is it do you have any kind of rehabs that we can send him? And we've sent people. We we've helped people.
And it's very, very, very difficult. Very difficult. Their families are torn apart. Children don't have anything to do with them. They don't know their grandchildren.
And frankly, The children don't want their children to go with their grandparents because this is what the grandparents are doing. Right. I mean, it's a mess. No, flat out no. This should not be happening in our culture.
That's the last thing we need. This behavior of wanting to escape or wanting to dull your mind or wanting to just some break from reality. I mean, people do that. We're talking about marijuana specifically, but people do that with alcohol. They do that with other addictions, gambling.
They do that with any number of things. Where does that stem from? And how can we as a church step up and? Help people in that. Great, great question.
Because that's what I said in the opening. There's something I want to deal with. It comes from our deep, innate need for spirituality. Good point. It's from our neat For the spiritual life.
To rise above the natural, there's probably a reason. I hadn't even thought about that. I guess there's a reason that after you do, after you start get hooked on pot, you start doing LSD, you start doing ecstasy, you start looking for those hallucinations, hallucinations. Yeah, because you're getting into it now. And the Bible talks about this, and I know it's talking about alcohol, but it said, don't be drunk with wine, but be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Just like alcohol is going to control your mind and/or make it dull or make you lose your mind. Let the Holy Spirit have your mind. And when the Holy Spirit has your mind, he's not going to dull it or control it. Instead, he's going to use it to bring you closer to God and make you love people around you and share the goodness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. That's what the Holy Spirit does.
So don't be Drunk with wine, which is dissipation, but be filled with the Holy Spirit. That's what the Bible tells us to do.
So if you just use that Verse, you'll understand. People are trying to do what only the Holy Spirit can do. People who are trying to escape from reality can do that, but the Holy Spirit can help you live above your circumstances. That's true. People are trying to get their mind in some ethereal world.
Can do that. Marijuana is not going to do it. Cannabis is not going to do it. And I know all kinds of reasons people say, you know, take these gummies and you'll sleep well at night. No, it's not helping anything, it's actually.
ruining people's lives. They don't sleep any better. I just have such a hard time. This is a serious conversation. I would never make light of this, but again, I just have such a hard time taking like a grown man in his 60s better, saying, Listen, you don't have to smoke marijuana.
You can eat gummies. I need my nighttime gummies.
Okay, dude. My nightnight gummies. Dude, so sad. It's so sad. We're finding new creative ways to do something for which God says, Hey, come to Christ.
You have the Holy Spirit. Daily be filled with His presence. And guess what? He will help you navigate through the worst hurts and failures and weaknesses and struggles of your life. He will help you.
He will help you live the life that you were created to live. And just like Dr. Shaw said, man, if you're listening to this right now and you feel like, well, I am going through something, and man, realize that. And especially people on the left realize that celebrities and entrepreneurs and businessmen like this, they don't care about your freedoms. They want to make money off of you.
That's why they want to legalize marijuana. Absolutely. They don't want to push this on you because they think it can genuinely help you. They know it can't help you. No, that's the frustrating part is I think the people that we're actually responding to know this.
They're not the ones who have any interest in helping you. And then you have, you know, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who promises you every help, who promises you every rescue and redemption. And who, by the way, the peace that passes all understanding, don't you think that's going to help you sleep all the night? Amen. I'm just saying.
Trust in Jesus instead of trusting in these celebrities who claim to have your best interest in mind, but really only care about their bottom line. That's right. And if Dr. Shafts, if someone's listening today and they've never accepted Jesus, they hear it and they're like, listen, I want to make that choice. What would you say to them?
I would say, you know, just know that what the world is promising you is full of lies. What the world is promising you is for an ulterior motive. How would you like? when some if someone were to say to you in a big city, let's like New York or Atlanta, which has its good parts, but let's say they take you down a dark alley and say, Look, I'm going to help you have a great experience. Come follow me.
Would you go with them? No. No, you'd be like, No, I don't know you for one. And why do you want me to go down this dark alley with you? Oh man, I promise you, once you go down the dark alley, you will love, love, love it.
That's right. and and then uh then take you down and have you mugged and and left for dead. No, you you don't you would not do that.
So don't listen to people who are taking you down a dark alley and promising you an experience that they cannot provide. Only God can provide that. Only God can help.
So. The world wanting this is simply an indication that we were made to be spiritual. That's right. But Satan, of course, has exploited that for Thousands of years. And this silly push right now by this group of people with Mike Tyson at the helm, which itself should be a Wake-up call, like, wait, Mike Tyson is heading this?
Maybe we shouldn't be listening to this. And I don't do that. That's right. Again, boxing, hey, I respect the man. Yeah.
But Kannabis? No. Yeah. If you were someone on the fence and you watched that interview, hopefully that was enough to sway you.
Well, holding him up as the poster child probably even that, like, just even as a pastor, I'm sure you've never had someone even just people in general. No one has ever said to me, you know, alcohol. Really saved my marriage. Weed really, really has saved me. It has really helped me.
I've had Benny sit across from me and said, Please, can you help? And I'm thinking, I am not a counselor for addiction. I can help you study the Bible with you in this, but I can send you to someone. Oh, please, can you just tell me? I mean, I just, I'm done with it.
Right, but it's not that easy. Guys, make sure you join us tomorrow, same time, same station. We're going to be diving into another great topic here on the Clearview Today show. Thanks again to our sponsors for making today's episode possible. And don't forget that you can support us by subscribing to the show on iTunes if you want to re-listen.
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