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We've got Senator James Lankford standing by. We also are going to talk about oil and gas. And I know on the surface it doesn't sound important, but man, is it? Tim Stewart, now that it looks like the Houthis might try to block the Saudis from using the Red Sea, that'll be significant. We'll discuss that.

But that's what happens when you try to do the right thing and finish off the Iranians, who have been our nemesis for 47 years. We'll discuss all that and more. Today is also going to be testimony starting shortly with the Secretary of War and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff talking about the way forward and the need for more funds in Iran. For our military. Let's get to the big three.

Members. three. When it comes to Benjamin Netanyahu, We're speaking about someone who's the subject of an International Criminal Court arrest warrant. My point is that if someone is charged with a warrant by the International Criminal Court, that's something I believe that should be honored. Mayor Memdani was You're not going to believe it, is trying to arrest Bibi Netanyahu.

Well, like all of his promises, it won't happen. While fellow New Yorkers publicly go after AOC, he continues to push her socialist candidates while entertaining a run for the White House, where Kamala Harris is leading the pack. I'm not kidding. Number two. Stanton is just fundamentally vulnerable because, on a lot of really important issues, he's on the wrong side of the vast majority of Democrats.

Whether it's voting for the Lake and Riley Act when I'm fighting to abolish ICE or opposing Medicare for All and taking money from United Health Group. Yes, that is Kai Newkirk. He is the latest socialist looking to upend an incumbent on the Democratic side. Primary day in Arizona. We'll see if he's successful.

The key to holding the House as more socialists try to grab another nomination on the left is going to be Arizona, perhaps. Republicans could take advantage. We'll talk about it. Number one. The target list goes way beyond the straits of Amuz in terms of leadership, IRGC organization, national infrastructure, Carg Island.

That is a much more comprehensive target list. And that's the one General Keene thinks that we should be looking at. 10th night of strikes. Could we be building towards finally bombing the capital and the militarily opening up the strait? Yes, with force.

All eyes on the Red Sea as the Houthis might be making a move there. We will see. But did they learn their lesson from last year? Let's bring in Senator James Lankford. Senator, where you stand on this operation, are you glad that we've amped up these strikes?

Yes, good morning to you, Brian. No one's ever happy about a war, but I have to tell you, this is an issue that's been hovering over Americans for five decades. Iran's perpetual threats, their act of terrorism, they have attacked Americans over and over and over again in the Middle East. Everyone who works in that area, travels in that area, knows the threat. They've attacked our allies over and over again.

We have billions of dollars in basing all in that area because of the threat of Iran. This is not new for America. Just President Trump's the first one been willing to stand up and push back.

So we've had about 100 wounded in there because they're on our bases in Jordan, on our bases in Bahrain, in Kuwait. And perhaps even Oman took a hit. We don't know. UAE seems to be missing this wave. I'm not sure why, because they are the antithesis in terms of governments with Iran.

But do you think it is the country's responsibility to protect these bases, or is it ours? Mm-hmm.

Well, it's a mix of that. Obviously, it's their country. They've got to be able to defend it themselves. What's interesting is I think UAE has been left out of this strike because UAE, the last time we were in fighting with Iran a few months ago, UAE launched aircraft and they went after Iran as well. And so now Iran is suddenly not attacking UAE because UAE is pushing back on them.

So Iran is a bully and a thug in the area, and they're going to fight and push everyone they can until they get pushed back on. And we're going to be able to push back. That's interesting, Senator. You think the fact that UAE hit back. is the reason why the Iran has left them out.

I do. I do, but they are clearly willing to be able to engage in the fight and to be able to push back and have.

So I want you to hear Jack Jack Keene with Larry Cudlow cut one.

Some of these targets were in that target list, to be sure, but the target list goes way beyond the straits of Amuz in terms of leadership. IRGC organization, national infrastructure beyond the bridges we're talking about here, Carg Island, distribution of oil itself and energy.

So that is a much more comprehensive target list.

So amongst the conversation Republican Senator, when I talk to Senator Tom Cotton and I talk to When I talk to Congressman Brian Mass, people that are read in and understand the military, they're all in for this. But I don't hear much talking publicly. I only hear the White House doing it when necessary. Is that part of the strategy, being that for the most part, the American people are war weary? I can tell you that there is a mix of that, obviously.

I had someone that yelled at me in the airport when I was flying out: you know, stop the war, stop the war on it. I get that no one wants to be at war. No one wants their sons and daughters at risk. No one wants all the challenges in our economy. No one wants that.

The challenge is: what do you do about this? Do you just ignore Iran's perpetual attacking us over and over and over again? Them shutting down international shipping. You cannot allow the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world to have a nuclear weapon. The options are not great on this.

So, this is not an area where I think people talk about a lot because no one's excited about it. No one wants this, but we are literally pushed into a corner. We are not going to allow and just sit back and ignore a terrorist organization and entity and regime getting a nuclear weapon. That cannot be allowed. But the political rhetoric on the other side pretends as if they didn't know Iran was a bad actor.

That Joe Biden didn't try to do everything possible to get into some type of deal, instead, looked the other way when they traded their oil. And Barack Obama didn't waste three years putting together a deal that allowed them, after 10 years, to get out of it. It would just sunset. Here is Congressman Adam Smith, the Democrat from Washington, cut eight. Trump honestly thought that he would drop bombs for three or four weeks and the Iranian regime would collapse.

And that was just completely idiotic. No one who would pay any attention to what's going on thought that was going to happen.

So when that didn't happen, he just keeps doubling down on a bad strategy. Look, we need to end this war and get the best negotiated peace we can get. And that's not going to be great at this point because we've given Iran so much leverage by starting the war, showing them they can control the straight of war moves.

Now, as far as what Trump's going to do, I don't know. He just, you know, talking about Carg Island, talking about revenge, I mean, I said, there's no strategy, there's no plan, there's no vision in this. Do you believe there is a plan and a vision? Absolutely. Our Pentagon has a, as General Keenan had mentioned before, has a long list of locations they can strike, but there's also a strategy of where to strike.

The President's been very focused on diplomacy in every way that he can. But diplomacy has to be backed up with military might or no one pays attention to you. If you don't actually have military force that is readily available and that is lethal enough to be able to get someone's attention, a terrorist entity like Iran and the regime, they're not going to pay attention to you.

So this whole belief that we can just go sit down and negotiate with them, that was debunked under President Obama. The deal that President Obama made was so bad that when President Trump set it aside and President Biden comes into office, President Biden didn't pick up President Obama's deal and said, let's do that again, because even Biden knew that's a bad deal to be able to go with. But Biden had no plan and no strategy for how to deal with this at all. Trump is the one who stepped in and said they can't do that. This can't have a nuclear weapon, cannot continue to advance their terrorist actions around the world, and can't block the straight of hormoose.

They can't do that. The only way to be able to apply any pressure to be able to change that is to actually apply real pressure on it. Senator, do you think, and I mentioned this. To as many people as I can. I think you have to break up the negotiations.

You got to put a team on Iran if they want to talk. And Ukraine, if that's got to be, if you could land that plane, and a team on Gaza. Isn't it hard for one group? To do all three? Yeah.

They are perpetually around the world for Kushner and Witkoff. They're everywhere right now trying to be able to negotiate.

Now, they do have an extensive team that are working around them that are in each area to be able to develop all the different issues on it. But you're right. The president has a group of folks that he trusts. Quite frankly, this is not any different than any other president pulling together the State Department and saying these are the folks I want to be the primary negotiators. He's just dealing with a lot of really complicated issues at the same time.

I know in Oklahoma this sounds very distant. Not when you're in Washington distant, but there's a huge socialist movement on the East Coast and in these really blue cities like the one I'm in right now. And leading the charge and thinks he's the king of all socialists is Zohram Amdani, who's about an inch thick, but he's very an inch deep in terms of knowledge, policy, and experience. He's 34 years old, and he's basically just living off being anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, but he's also firmly socialist, and he's all about the working class. Yet, most of the people who put him in office are overeducated white people.

That's who's voting for these socialists. Listen to Zohram M. Donny, the mayor of New York City, talk about what working class is. Fifteen. I I think if you have to work to pay your bills I think that that is one definition of being a part of the working class.

So that's everyone with a W-2? Is that kind of 1099 too? I think it's. I'm less interested.

So, someone making $250,000 a year is working class. I mean, I I haven't sat at home and asked myself where it starts and stops. Why not? How the hell do you know who to tax and how much if you got this firm belief if you don't know what the number is? Yeah, and I think the issue is he's trying to struggle with that because, as you know, in New York City, trying to make $200,000 and trying to be able to survive is very different than making $200,000 in Oklahoma or in other places.

So, for these socialists that are pushing this agenda in New York City and in California, they've driven the cost of living up over the years, and now they're having to redefine what working class is. It's just bizarre to be able to see. I look at great socialist institutions like Cuba and to say, why would not Mondami want to be able to just move to Cuba and say this is so fabulous, you can drive your own 1956 Chevy because they can't afford to be able to get anything else ever since then? And absolute government control.

Socialism works great if you're the leader. It doesn't work great if you're the citizen. And that's just the fact of socialism all over the world.

So, why do you think it resonates with some people? A lot of people, and why did they now have 125,000 members? It is the promise of I'm going to get something for nothing, that somebody else has something and I'm going to use the force of government to take it away from them and give it to me. I want what they have, and I want somebody big enough to be able to take it from somebody I don't like and give it to me. It's been the promise and the dream of every socialist entity out there, whether it's the Soviet Union or whether it's Cuba or whether it's China, this promise of equal outcomes for everybody just is not true.

You've got to be able to create a system that's fair and open and has great opportunity so that every person has the opportunity to be able to rise. They've got to step up and take that opportunity and do the work.

Socialism promises you, you don't have to do the work. We'll do the work for you. Where are you with data centers? How many are in Oklahoma? There's several in Oklahoma already.

My big focus on data centers is twofold. One is to make sure that when we get chips that are more efficient, we don't have big empty buildings. And the other one is to be able to make sure that individuals in those areas don't have their rates go up based on power and that the community has the opportunity to be able to speak into it. I would say communities that have it, they see the tax revenue coming in. It helps their schools, helps their communities.

But folks have got to be able to make a decision about where that actually lands and to make sure that their own power and water rates don't go up to be able to cover a new business that's coming in town. It's not how we do things.

Well, what would be a good energy source? Would you be for these miniature nuclear devices? Yeah. Yeah. Small modular nuclear is something that's been tested for a while.

I would tell you that's not a big shock. People look at it as new technology. You can go into a nuclear-powered submarine or a nuclear ship. We've used that technology for decades and decades to be able to power a nuclear ship. Navy.

So, small modular nuclear is a great way to be able to do it. But we've got to be able to get the first couple of ones permitted, which there are four that are right now in process of getting permitted, get them permitted so we can actually evaluate how to be able to do this better and less expensive in the days ahead. But I'm for whatever power that community actually identifies: wind, solar, coal, natural gas. There's lots of great options for that, hydro. In Oklahoma, we use it all, and we're not offended by that.

So I did not know that these modular nuclear devices are not green lighted yet. Yes, they're going through all the process on it right now.

Now there are in some other countries that are using more small modular nuclear. We are going through the process of actually permitting some of the first ones in the United States. And as we know, going through the regulatory process takes forever and is very expensive. There's a lot of work right now to change the permitting process for all energy construction, all of that. We get all of our stuff that we want to do as a country tied up into lawsuits that last decades.

And so then we're just stuck not ever getting to an answer. We've got to be able to solve that. And that's one of the permitting fights that we're doing behind the scenes right now in the Senate to be able to figure out how we can actually solve this issue of permitting everything. We want it to be safe. We want communities to be able to speak into it, want access to the courts, but you've got to have a process that actually works, that doesn't take decades.

So, how closely, if any administration, would cut red tape into this one? Oh, yeah.

So, I know that you're not on the Energy Committee, but can you tell me where that's at? Yeah, that's actually a very real bipartisan conversation right now. This administration has been aggressive at dealing with the regulations they can deal with.

Some of it has to be dealt with in law. And that's what Congress is actually arguing our way through right now and trying to be able to solve this. But yes, it's a very real conversation in the energy committees, and it's on a bipartisan level to try to figure it out.

So whether it is how do you move electrons from a solar and wind facility that gets locked up in all the legislation, or whether it's moving natural gas, all of those get locked up that we can't advance. I mean, you know, being in New York, any natural gas that wants to be able to move into New England gets blocked by New York. They won't allow the pipelines to be able to come through. And so New England has to buy natural gas from offshore when Pennsylvania has tons of natural gas in it, but you can't actually move it to New England because of New York's laws on this. It's ridiculous.

It's hurting all the other states on it, but it becomes the big challenge for the entire country in doing any kind of permitting process. Crazy. It's just a lack of common sense. It must drive people in Oklahoma nuts when we see what's going on in New York. Just don't leave me, don't color me responsible because I'm not.

Senator Langford, look forward to talking to you again. Thanks so much. Hopefully, you can get something done this week on reconciliation. Yeah, we're working our way through that and ready to be able to get as much done as we can possibly get done. And we're on it on that.

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Where were we back in 2006 when, of course, Democrats would go back on the win the House? They were up by 12 in an average of those two polls. How about 2018? They were up by an average of 10 in those two polls. Look at where that average is now.

Well, less than half of either the level of 2018 and 2006. Way down there. Yes, they're ahead, but they're ahead. I have to shrink down on the screen. They're ahead by only four points, which is significantly less than what we saw in 2018 and 2006 when Democrats took back the House.

So, as I said, this is an uh-oh, this is a warning sign.

Well, yes, Democrats are ahead, not by anywhere near the margin they were in prior wave years.

So, here we go. That is CNN's Howard Enton. What is it? Harry Enton. Harriet saying that things aren't looking too keen.

No why? Is because there's also gerrymandering. That's going to be a big thing. And now you got this rise of socialism. It is not my opinion.

It is a fact. Even what's happening in Maine right now, they got rid of Graham Plattner. This guy is so problematic, a terrible person. And then they get another guy, this guy Troy Jackson, is just as radical. The person running this guy Abdul El Saeed.

This guy doesn't call himself a member of DSA, but everything he stands for is along with anti-Semitic. You bring him in November, it gives Republicans more of a chance to be successful, especially with a guy like Mike Rogers in Michigan and someone like Susan Collins in Maine. Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kill Me Show. I had meetings earlier this week with leaders from Saudi Arabia and UAE.

Both of those countries are looking at major infrastructure projects to try to look at land-based pipeline and other solutions to be able to ship their product and get it onto the world market. But here at home, of course, under President Trump's energy dominance policy, the United States producing more oil than we have ever produced, largest producer in the world of oil, now the largest producer of natural gas in the world, largest exporter of LNG in the world. Obviously, the Secretary of Interior is great. Doug Bergum, as good as you're going to get, and really knows his business even prior to becoming governor of North Dakota. And now we're just trying to figure out a way out of the Strait of Hermuz as we militarily look to open it up.

Now, a person who knows about how it affected U.S. oil and gas is Tim Stewart, and he joins us now. Tim, great to see you. Your thoughts about the fact that now I guess a barrel of oil is over $90. And where we're at.

Yeah, here we go again, right? And unfortunately, I think the national average hit $4 yesterday for gas. It's $5.50 in California and a couple other places in Mideast and Midwest and East Coast are $4.50. We're up significantly. And again, a lot of this is strictly due to this rolling unrest and the conflict in the U.S.-Iran and in the disruptions in the Persian Gulf.

Yesterday, the straight, you know, when the Houdis started mouthing off again, that's had some impact as well. But Brian, we're looking at just a tightened global crude and product flow, and it's a tough situation to be in. It's not just crude, it's refined products. And U.S. oil and gas producers are doing everything that we can.

We are, as you just mentioned, maximum production, and our refineries are operating at 95% capacity right now. We're in an interesting situation right now. Yeah, we mean interesting, we mean challenging, and we do need to build more refineries. But every time I bring that up, you go, well, we haven't built one since the 70s, but there's really no call for it. We really need to build refineries, though, correct?

Absolutely. And you know, I think you and I have talked about this in the past, which is. There are generational events that take place that sort of reorder the industry as a whole. And I honestly do think that what's happened in the Strait of Hormuz, as the Secretary was just mentioning, it's going to completely reorder how crude is produced by whom and how it gets to the global market. And I also think what's going to happen finally on the U.S.

side of things is the refinery industry itself, which is somewhat separate from my oil and gas producers, they're going to look at it and say, we finally got to have the permit certainty and the capital security to reinvest here. And for years and years, the challenge we've had was that Wall Street was looking at them with a great deal of skepticism because of the regulatory environment and the climate discussion. Yeah, climate crazies. Yeah, that put em put that capital at risk. I think things have reordered themselves permanently and we're going to be in a situation where the refiners are going to get some significant investment on the US side.

Right, just more of them, right? I mean, just I mean, is Texas would would they anyone push back on it? Is there not enough profit in refining? Oh, there's plenty of profit in refining right now. I hear about that every time I go to the grocery store and go to church.

People tell me how much profit the oil and gas industry is making. The refiners are doing really well right now. It's a couple things. It's investment, but it's also investment in the ability to refine the West Texas intermediate, the lighter, sweeter crude that we have. Most of the refineries in the Gulf Coast were built and calibrated to refine heavy imported crude coming out of Venezuela or Saudi Arabia.

And that's been kind of the challenge, which is we've got plenty of Texas and New Mexico crude coming in. The refiners don't have the refining capacity to take that light crude. And I think the new investment that you'll see will bring Refineries online, which will be able to refine actual U. S. produced product at a much greater volume, and that's going to have a huge impact for energy security.

And will again continue to insulate us from global events like the ones we're going through right now. Aren't we always going to be susceptible, Tim Stewart, as you have president of U.S. Oil and Gas, to global events because it's a global market? Absolutely. Yeah.

I mean, like I say, you'll never be fully isolated, but you can certainly insulate yourself a bit more. To the President's credit, Brian, if you look at where we are now versus four years ago, we're moving towards sort of a fortress North America, Fortress America situation, where between Canada, the Canadian producers, the U.S., record production, what we have with Venezuela, what's coming online with Argentina, the Western Hemisphere, if we can get the refining capacity in place, we're going to be largely insulated from any other shock that may take place anywhere across the rest of the world. No more choke points halfway across the world that won't impact us. It's going to take a few more years, but we are getting in a much better spot than we would have been had President Trump not been in place. Can you explain this to me?

Because since we care about the global market, if we produce more in Mexico and Canada and in the U.S., Is that just going to raise the overall level to the point where the price will go down? Because, as long as there's Middle East turmoil, which is as long as I've been alive, we seem to be susceptible. To this.

So, what would change if the straits are always going to be a problem? The Red Sea or the Strait of War Move is going to be an issue? Yeah, that's a great question. And again, we have to remind everybody, and your point is well taken, that crude and refined products are global commodities. They ship all over the world.

And that's what you see with the U.S. right now. We're actually, our exports are high because we've had to fill the backfill the supply shortages coming out of the Gulf for our Asian markets and for the European markets. I think ultimately what will happen is there'll be, when we get to this point where we're far more resilient, In our refining infrastructure, then the lag time between when we start to feel the impacts of a global situation versus where we are right now will be in the terms of months rather than weeks or days. And that's really important, I think.

Right now, when you have, say, for example, the Ukrainians who are hitting their Russian refining facilities and taking diesel offline, you're seeing that in the global market almost immediately because the Asian markets, which were, and when you see China has taken sort of a back seat on stepping up their refining capacity as well. You have a tendency to feel that in Des Moines, Iowa, even though it's happened clear across the world. I think ultimately where we're going on this Fortress Western Hemisphere scenario is that will insulate us and again give us much, much greater lag time between the time we feel the pinch versus when the rest of the world does.

So we want to go around the strait, regardless of how this ends up. We want to go around the strait. And now we think, and you could correct me, that 8 million barrels of oil is no longer going through the strait in Saudi Arabia, it's going through the Red Sea.

So and they're through pipeline.

So they've adjusted pretty much. But now the Houthis are saying we have a problem with Saudi Arabia. We think we're going to shut that off. I don't know what they've actually done, but we could find out as early as today. What would that do?

Well, that's obviously put things in a much worse situation because it would take 8 million barrels offline relatively quickly. And that was going to have a significant increase in global crude prices almost immediately. The question is, are the Houdis just sort of rattling the swords, or can they really have the capacity to do that? I don't think the Saudis are going to take that too lightly. But to your point, also, this is interesting.

I mentioned earlier how we're going to see the tremendous difference in how crude moves out of the Gulf. You're seeing the pipelines that are in Saudi Arabia, the new pipeline proposals were announced through Iraq yesterday. It's going to move in much different directions. I think the Iranians themselves have probably ended up nailing their foot to the floor, so to speak. I don't think the control of the strait in two years is going to matter much to anybody, to be honest with you.

The rest of the gulf producers are going to make sure this never happens again. That's awesome. That would be fantastic news in the big picture because they think that's their new nuclear weapon.

So we look at strategic oil reserve. In case of emergency, break glass.

Now, we wanted to get that price down, and President Biden didn't want to drill anymore, so we made a deal with the devil with Maduro in Venezuela, and then he started draining our oil reserve. We're waiting for the drop. We were waiting, in theory, for the price of oil to go down, and then we were going to say, okay, now it makes sense to start filling that. Congress stopped us from doing that in the first Trump term. I don't get it.

I think it was just political ploy.

So now we understand we're only a third full. Of the uh of the Strategic Oil Reserve, does that concern you? Yeah, it is a concern. Right now, I guess if you wanted to look at the raw numbers, we're about 44% full. But you're exactly right.

We drew down over 200 million barrels out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve during the Biden administration, during the Russian-Ukraine conflict, and they were just slowly starting to make effort to refill that. When COVID hit, if you recall, and when oil went negative $36 a barrel, there was no place to put it because the demand had collapsed across the globe. I was part of those conversations when we went to Congress and said now is the time to completely top off the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. And the Democrats in Congress put a stop to that. Crazy.

Where we are right now, it's interesting. It is as much of an engineering challenge as it is an actual supply challenge in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Just for the listeners, it's not tanks, it's underground salt caverns where that oil is stored. There's 64 different geologic formations we use. To bring the oil out of the ground, you don't pump it, you actually put water in, and the water pushes the oil up to the top.

But because they're salt caverns, the tendency is the more you do that and more frequently you do that, the salt has a tendency to be eroded by the water. And so it gets harder and harder to bring out of the ground. And so it's kind of like if you've got a dam where the outtake is, the water falls below the outtake, it's more and more difficult to get out. It's like trying to suck a. You know, the last part of that milkshake, it becomes very, very different and difficult.

So, we're in as much of an engineering challenge as we are a supply challenge.

Now, the administration, what they're doing is they have actually negotiated some pretty good deals to where those withdrawals, which go to industry and go to refineries, are coming back at a 20% increase. And if I borrow a million barrels out of the strategic performance room, I'm expected to put 1.2 million barrels back in.

So, it will get filled up. But it is going to be a challenge, and it's kind of like your emergency reserve or your savings account when you've lost your job, so to speak, you draw from that. But even that's starting to come down now.

So we're in a little bit of a interesting scenario right now.

So, Tim, what do you think about this freedom gas? We're talking about cutting out the middleman, the White House, and trying to get gas station prices down. How do you feel about the concept? Anytime we can get gas prices down, to be honest with you, we're all for that. It's a little counterintuitive as the president of the U.S.

Oil and Gas Association. But I have to tell people that I tell my neighbors, I say, look, the last thing we want to do is to be producing a product that nobody can afford to buy. And there's a sweet spot for oil prices where the shale oil is profitable and people can afford to put gas in the car without thinking too much about it. This concept is interesting because I think more than anything is it shows how the industry is structured, how the refining industry structures and where the profit margin lies versus the refining costs, the transportation costs, and things like that. I think the administration's probably doing the public a favor by being able to show exactly how the refining industry works.

I don't know how long it will last, but it's an interesting concept. And lastly, Tim, can you tell me about the fracture? UAE says I'm out of OPEC, and Iraq says I might be next. What does that mean in your business? I'm talking to Tim Stewart, president of U.S.

Oil and Gas. It's interesting. I don't think you and I had on our bingo card the fracture of OPEC about six months ago, did we? It's been interesting because UAE has an extra million and a half barrels of production capacity that they were constrained because of their OPEC limits. And so I think what you see is the, to my earlier point, you're going to see the difference of how crude is produced by how much, by who, and how they price it.

It's going to be an interesting, I think, again, this generational impact, you may see the fracturing of OPEC over the next two years where it's not, it can only be a cartel if it acts like a cartel and other members are acting like they're in that.

So that would be great, wouldn't it? Because How do you feel about that? I look, I think we're the U.S. is certainly we're the largest oil producer in the world. We don't need to be responding to OPEC prices.

I think it's probably good for us all because it brings it restores sort of the market uh forces versus uh responding to a cartel set that that is uh cartel pricing. Because Saudi Arabia would literally say, I'm going to pick up production, I'm going to decrease production, and that would affect the price of oil and gas. And if you break up OPEC, what happens? Who decides or how is it decided how much a barrel of oil would be? You know, it's interesting.

That was kind of the UAE's perspective, is where they said we want to figure out what we're going to price our product as well. And so it does create, again, OPEC. Functions as a cartel. It makes it, they set the price globally because they're the biggest producers, the aggregate production numbers. It will make the U.S.

producers have to become far more competitive because they'd be able to compete against a single country versus an organization. I think ultimately if I take off my oil and gas hat and just put a consumer hat on, I say it'll probably be good for all of us. It'll bring the general cost of energy down. And if you bring the cost of energy down, you have a much, much greater economic growth globally. Wow.

The straight being in our control, and then that price will rocket down again, and we'll get the price down to 330 a gallon. I think that could be feasible. Tim, thanks so much. Always great to talk to you. Great being with you, Brian.

Thanks for your time. You got it. Back in a moment. Uh Coming to you on a need-to-know basis, because man, do you need to know? It's Brian Kilmead.

Uh The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmead. The Spain-Argentina final was like a reverse Super Bowl. When the players spoke Spanish, And the halftime show was in English. That was a pretty good line.

I saw that. I watched some of Jon Stewart's opening monologue. I have news for him. He said, Why does that person behind Donald Trump look like replacement Donald Trump? You know why?

That was father-in-law. Uh that was Melania's dad.

So there's a whole skit going on.

So Melania married her dad.

Well, they're about the same age. No, I think Trump's a little bit younger, not much. But so Jon Stewart just went off on the whole thing. But you remember, Jon Stewart was a very good soccer player, was captain of William and Mary, very good Division I team out of Virginia. And a lot of people wrote me.

Write me and think, why am I nice about Jon Stewart? I know, like, listen, he goes out of his way.

Now he's back to hitting Trump like he did the first term. But I do know he does it with humor. I mean, I noticed Stephen Colbert would just would hit him and everyone would cheer and clap. But I just noticed that they produce things, at least as creative. Even though it's tilted and slanted, and he hates Trump, and he's back to doing that.

But you do have to point out when things are funny.

So when people do things that are funny, even if you disagree, you got to say that. What would make Jon Stewart perfect is if he hit the other side because, man, is there a lot to hit on the other side? Like, for example, with Bill Maher's doing with the socialism thing.

Now, he's having fun with it in his monologue, but he sat down On ABC. to talk about what's happened to that party of his. And here he said, why aren't other people standing up, pointing out That they've allowed the communists to come into the Democratic Party and they just seem to be willing to be taken over. Cut 22. Democrats are cowardly.

They're cowardly. Their party is being taken over now. By, you know, every day I hear about a new very radical, I feel very good about. Like ten, whenever years ago Like I did lose fans because, you know, uh I wasn't gonna go along with some of this c crazy stuff on the left too. I didn't change really on what I thought about the right, but just I can't sit and just not notice stuff, which people seem to want to do because it's all about my team or your team.

But yeah, there's some crazy stuff. Yeah, there's some crazy stuff, and it's going by the boards. The guy that's getting a lot of publicity is Van Jones, liberal Democrat, work with Obama, cut 25. If we lived in a world where people could literally get elected to office with the only qualification being that they went and celebrated a mass murder of Israelis, if all elected officials celebrated mass murders, is that a better world or a worse world? These are not progressive ideas.

These are regressive ideas. And that's why he called out the socialist in his party. Just call him out. You let Bernie Sanders in, and this is the problem. Bernie Sanders, by the way, the people of Vermont, you're being robbed.

He's never in Vermont. Guy's in Michigan. He's in Maine. He's never in this city because he's using the people of Vermont too. From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division.

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So I got Farley Weiss coming on, president of the Israeli Justice Organization. They are sitting out so far because Trump says, okay, do that. Also, an interesting thing is percolating with today in Lebanon because the president is visiting the White House today, and I think they're putting together some type of training and militia, working with Syria and others to control and take out Hezbollah. That's what's on the table. We'll discuss that.

Michael Fakaro will be with us, author of Bothers of the Bronx, The Endless Drama, The Yankees Under the House of Steinbrenner, even the next generation. We'll talk about the biggest name in sports. Um Aaron Judge still being hurt. One of the biggest aims in sports and where we go from here. And we're also talking about the Knicks getting back on track.

They only have a few weeks off, and they got to try to repeat. And then we'll do a samo cast on Barney and Company.

So it'll be a lot to discuss.

So let's get to the big three and outline our big hour. Number three. When it comes to Benjamin Netanyahu, we're speaking about someone who's the subject of an International Criminal Court arrest warrant. My point is that if someone is charged with a warrant by the International Criminal Court, that's something I believe that should be honored. What a clown.

Mayor Mamdani is still trying to arrest B.B. Netanyahu as he comes to America. I have news for you. That's going to be another promise that he doesn't keep. He's trying to get publicity and it's working for him.

Another publicity magnate, AOC, continues to push her socialist candidates while entertaining a run for the White House where Kamala Harris leads the pack. Really? Number two. Stanton is just fundamentally vulnerable because, on a lot of really important issues, he's on the wrong side of the vast majority of Democrats. Whether it's voting for the Lake and Riley Act when I'm fighting to abolish ICE or opposing Medicare for all and taking money from a United Health Group.

That is the primary day in Arizona, and that man is a socialist, and he wants to win the primary, like all these socialists do. He can present himself well, but his ideas are terrible, and he's trying to unseat an incumbent. Tell me how that helps the Democratic Party. His name is Kai Newkirk. We'll discuss that, as well as we seem to have an unofficial representative to replace Graham Plattner in Maine.

We'll discuss that guy's radical views. Number one: The target list goes way beyond the straits of Amuz in terms of leadership, IRGC organization, national infrastructure, Carg Island. That is a much more comprehensive target list. Yep, that's the 10th night of strikes. Could we be building towards finally bombing the capital and the militarily opening up the strait?

All eyes are on the Red Sea, where the Houthis say they're going to shut out the Saudis, who basically ship most of their oil through the Red Sea. The Saudis are not going to sit by. And let that happen. They have a military too. And look, they're our ally.

We should help. You know who else they have as an ally? Pakistan. Are they going to do something here? If you uh Pakistan con considers himself a peace broker.

I wonder about that. 'Cause they have great relations with uh Iran too. But if you're a peace broker, go ahead, have at it. Let's see what you got. Because This is not going to be good for the global market, even though it'll be temporary.

The Houthis have to hit just one or two ships, and then all of a sudden, some of these barges are not going to go by. We watched that for two years under the Biden administration. No one went by. They just went around it, and it was costly. Big time.

And that's the last thing anybody wants right now.

So we'll discuss that. Also, the rise of socialism. It's amazing what's happening. I talk about it every day, and I think, okay, that's going to be at bay for a while, but it's not. Today, We're watching Arizona have their primary.

What's significant about that is one of these incumbents is being challenged by this guy, Kai Newkirk. He believes in Medicare for all. Not possible. Abolishing ICE, protecting immigrant communities, yes, illegal immigrant communities in Arizona, really? Affordable housing and lowering costs.

Yes. In theory, in what way? Ending U. S. support for Genocide and criminal wars.

That means. Anti-Semitism, anti-Israel. That's what gets people traction, and some Democrats are afraid they're for it. Is Congressman Greg Stanton afraid? We'll see if this guy gets primary to lose.

He's a long time incumbent in Arizona. Why am I bringing up just one event? Because the House is going to be decided by, they say, sixteen to eighteen seats. And you, if you look at Arizona, I think it's six to two in terms of representatives, Republican. That's a purple state.

You know how things flip. They got a Democratic governor. They got a Democratic senator.

So we'll see. There's going to be a tough Senate race there. Republican and former NFL player, Jay Feely, great guy, aims to capitalize on Trump's backing to replace David Swigert, a retiring GOP congressman in Arizona. And he's going against Sheriff Mark Lamb, who's had a bit of a A sexting issue that he's not denying, but he comes on all the time. A great guy.

We'll see if that's going to take him down.

So people ask. What is the socialist movement? Where does it come from?

Well, you think on instinct, it comes from people who feel disenfranchised. No. Do you know if you just look at the race with Mondami and Cuoma, Cuomo got the black vote fifty one thirty four. Mondami got the white so-called privileged vote. 42 to 30.

The overall white vote, 39 to 34. If you went to college, he won 45 to 28.

So they're taking these people that come from money and saying I feel bad. I feel bad that I'm successful and have a good life, so I think socialism would be a great way. That's the only thing I could think of. Or just flat out laziness. That's what got Milo Kiros a victory in Colorado.

That's what got Claire Valdez, a woman that wants to disband prisons. And Chevalier got 49 to 45 over a Hispanic leader over in New York City's 13th district. And one of the things they believe is you got to get rid of the Senate, you got to fatten the House, destroy the Supreme Court, get rid of defund the military. Defund the military. This is crazy.

These used to be 0.5 percenters. They would just be some fringe candidate to make sure people have something to vote for. And now they are challenging the Democratic Party. And it's crazy the people that are calling out. I I never thought on my cut sheet I would be seeing Governor Cuomo and think, that's kind of interesting, let's put him on.

Cut 18. The Democratic Party is in the middle of a civil war, right? And you have moderate mainstream Democrats such as myself. Which have been challenged by the far left extremists.

Now, the Democratic Party always had a far left, like the Republican Party always had a far right. But this far left under the Democratic Party basically has been energized. By the opposition to President Trump. You have a lot of young people. uh who are now engaged in the political process.

And it's driving Democrats nuts. If it was my party, And if I was a member of their NC, I'd go, What the hell are you doing? I'm number one, biggest mistake they ever made, underreported, Bernie Sanders letting them in. You would say, Well, I was an independent, I'm a Democrat. If he said, I'm an independent, but I'm a Democrat now, I want to run the Democratic Party.

Do you know he's never committed to the Democratic Party? But now he's thoroughly infiltrated. I mean, he's got these congressmen now, congresswomen now in New York. He's got the mayor of New York. He's trying to get Saeed Abdul Saeed in New York.

Yeah, Abdul Saeed got the Democratic nominee to be the next senator in Michigan. And he's going to be looking to do this all around. He's got this guy over in Arizona going. He's got Rab over in Pennsylvania going. And they don't even belong there.

It's crazy. I mean, if it's a sports team, it's like just having four players walk into your locker room and start starting. Wearing jerseys of another team. Nancy Pelosi, I can't believe I'm playing all these cuts from people who just lived to rip Trump, cut 21. I wasn't happy about people saying, let's spend a whole lot of money challenging Democrats.

You want to do that, do that, but don't think that that's something that is good for this year. Do it a year when we have the luxury of having the majority. But not when we're trying to but you can't gain you can't gain by losing.

Well, because losing is going to be in the midterms.

So if you factor in the rise of socialists and you factor in the gerrymandering. Which benefited the Republicans, there could be the difference in the House and Senate. I'm going to get Kevin McCarthy on here, who knows it better than anybody else outside the current speaker, to break it down.

So, when we come back, I'm going to. Find out about this new move to get Lebanese elite forces trained to turn and take out Hezbollah in their country. Will that work? Hmm. We'll see.

We got Farley Weiss coming on, then Mike Vicaro will talk a little sports, talk about the World Cup and its legacy. I found out something I missed and I was at the game about Argentina. I'm going to share that too at the bottom of the arrow when we come back. Politics, current events, and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say.

Stay with Brian Kilmead. The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmead. I think we're always open to diplomacy. It has to be real.

It has to be a deal that they're willing to live by. Look, Iran a week ago was supposed to put out a statement saying that the straits of our moves would be open, that they would no longer attack shipping. And instead of doing that, They attacked three ships. I think that was last Friday or Saturday.

So I mean, their behavior has to change in order for ours to change. Yeah, no kidding. Secretary of State Marco Rubio puts it simply, their behavior has got to change. And so far, they have not hit the UAE in this cycle, and they have not hit Israel. Farley Weiss joins us out, President of the Israeli Justice Organization.

Farley, why don't you think they've hit Israel? What is your, what are like all your theories on that?

Well, I think they fear Israel. As we know, Israel was about to attack with pretty much all their planes. Iran, when President Trump stopped them last time, and Israel has made clear that if they get attacked, they will attack them massively. And they're afraid of that attack. They know they will be hurt very badly by it.

While they know if they attack the Arab countries around them, they're not going to get a serious response from the Arab countries. And so they can attack them. And when they attack the Arab countries, those Arab countries then put pressure on the United States to go to a ceasefire and stop. While Israel is not going to put pressure on the United States to go to a ceasefire, Israel wants to see the Iranian regime change and see the whole situation change for the better.

So do you think this is a I heard this morning. When I was talking to Ambassador Volcker, he believes the reason UAE is not getting hit is because they put their planes in the air and hit back. They clearly don't want somebody who's going to hit back. I mean, they clearly are hitting the countries that aren't going to hit back to them. And not just not hit back, but actually try to pressure the United States to acquiesce to Iran's demands.

And so the countries are taking a beating. Qatar is taking a beating. And yet Qatar keeps pressuring the United States to agree to ceasefires, even though Qatar has lost, I think, $20 billion. They're going to lose a year in energy from the attacks by Iran. And yet, instead of being able to do anything about it, Qatar is a very weak country.

And so all they're doing is trying to pressure the United States to agree to a ceasefire. Because they try to be everybody's friend or everybody's enemy, who knows? But they try to play it in between, don't they?

Well, they're a country of there's only three hundred and fifty thousand Qatarans. in the country. Everyone else is is foreigners visiting living in the country. And so they're a very small country. They have a very weak military.

They don't let the US lo Use their military base. The whole major point of the military base is to use it in wars like this, and they aren't letting them use the military base. I didn't know that. Yes. When is happening?

They have to evacuate the military base. And guitar. They aren't using the military base that they're mainly using is really using Israel as a military base for this fight right now. That's why the United States didn't even use the why they had to stop the whole blockade initially on pushing the ships through the Strait of Haramuz is Saudi Arabia wouldn't even use let the US use their airspace.

So these countries are not letting them use their military bases that the United States has there for the whole purpose of this type of situation. What about Kuwait? I'm not one hundred percent sure how it's working with Kuwait, but a lot of these countries I mean, you just look at you see it there even the European countries are not letting the United States use their military facilities. It's been a disaster how these countries are all afraid of Iran, and they're all afraid to step up and take action against Iran outside of UAE and Israel. Do you like the message we're sending now?

It's a much better message than before. Clearly, they thought that this memorandum of understanding, which was obvious that Iran would not keep to it on the Strait of Hormuz, that the message is that you got to pay a price. You can't the only way to negotiate with Iran is with military force. And that's the only way to get a successful negotiation. And you have to pressure them.

And I think that the force has to be increased, if anything, in order to get a resolution. They tried a negotiation without military force, and it failed.

So going to a ceasefire now, as they were asking for a level like everybody to calm down for 10 days, would be a disaster. That would be back to sending the wrong message, give them a chance to regroup.

Well, look, as you played on the tape with Secretary of State Rubio, they keep making commitments they're going to do something and they keep breaking them.

So, why would you just go to any kind of an agreement without the U.S. continuing the military pressure? You have to negotiate with military pressure in order to get any kind of an agreement. I, quite frankly, don't think Iran is going to comply with anything. The only way they will comply is if you make it clear that their only two choices is the regime's collapse in order for them to comply with something.

And even then, I'm not sure they'll comply with anything.

So, right now, they're not allowed to sell oil again.

So, we blockaded them in.

So, they're not getting the 300 billion. That's not going to happen. The funds are not unfrozen. That's not taking place. It was important for them to, I guess, blitz a few merchant ships in order to blow a deal of a lifetime.

Farley, that was the best deal they'll ever get. It was. They think they could try to uh that President Trump wouldn't attack. They think that they could pressure the United States. to withdraw from the Hormuz and that they would be able to make fifty billion dollars a year charging ships to go through the Strait of Hormuz and that they could their economy would rebound that way by and if they with the attacks, they would think that by attacking the Arab countries, they will pressure the United States to stop Were their actions against Iran.

And that's where that's been their strategy.

So do you think we should start hitting the capital? I think that we need to. Create the elements for the regime to be overthrown. I think we should arm the Kurds. We should try to do whatever we can to hit whatever areas of the IRGC, the leadership, and everybody to try to destroy not just the nuclear and ballistic missile facilities, but their internal security situation so that the people are able to overthrow the government.

You're dealing with a people that are 80% opposed to the government. The people literally are in favor of the U.S. military striking their own country in order to try to end this regime. And we need to support the people. People who oppose this, they don't seem to care about the over 40,000 Iranian civilians massacred or the around 200,000 that have been terribly wounded.

They don't care about the Iranian people. And they don't seem to care that Iran or realize or think that Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapon or that Iran is sponsoring terrorism around the world. They don't seem to care about that. They think that Iran's a threat. It's unbelievable.

President of Lebanon is going to visit. Of the president today are present today, at which time I guess there's some talk that Israel will. Or the U.S. will train Lebanese fighters to take on Hezbollah with serious help. Do you think that's a scenario that might work?

I don't think that the Lebanese armed forces they've already tried once. They haven't shown they're capable of removing Hezbollah. Only Israel can remove Hezbollah from Lebanon. Only Israel can remove Hamas from Gaza. And so the main hope is that the Lebanese armed forces and they're trying to purge out some of the Shiite elements that favor Hezbollah.

But a majority of the people in Lebanon support the getting rid of Hezbollah now for the first time. And so the government of Lebanon wants to would love to see a Hezbollah gone. Hezbollah has been stronger than the Lebanese armed forces. And so now they're getting weaker. And the hope is that Lebanon could have their own armed forces take over the country.

But they're not strong enough, in my view, to knock out Hezbollah at this time.

So they're going to try in a few of the small areas to have Israel withdraw and have the Lebanon armed forces take over, but those are usually areas that Hezbollah has already gone from, not from areas that they have to take out Hezbollah. Yeah, well at least we talked with this is something I didn't foresee.

So this is a good You know, a good revelation.

So, hopefully, we're moving in the right direction there. Farley Weiss, thanks so much. The president of the Israeli Justice Organization. When we come back, Mike Vicaro joins us. We talk about the legacy of the World Cup, something I found out about Argentina I don't like, and so much more.

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Killmead. It was curious. Everyone speaks about the NFL art, the Super Bowl art I saw all the time, right? There's one artist normally.

He had Shakira, we had Madonna, we had. PTS, you had Justin Deaver, we had Coldplay, we had Dudeme, we had the walls, not just watching, but the walk performing. This is the power of our game, this is the magic power game. And If you want to capture, you know, a new All this, in those who love soccer, and it's already the number one sport in the world. Those who love it.

They will remain your f right, that they are they lost. We need to bring new people New uh Hard city to bring up. To do that, need to innovate the laws of the game, VAR, but also the whole entertainment aspect. It is something we learn honestly here in North America. Yeah, they gotta look at the VAR.

We know that because we know about the Red Card, but all other times you have an offside that's literally by uh an eighth of an inch. And is that the way the game's supposed to be played?

Now And there's a great precision with football. If your foot's a little bit out, your toe is out, you're out. You know, both feet have got to be in. We understand that. But with soccer, do you want to do that?

So the referee's got to make the call. It's very close. Even is on. And if it's just slightly ahead, is that really off? Is that the way the game's supposed to be played?

These are questions a competition committee's got to examine. Also, you'll go into examine one penalty, and then you find out another penalty, and then you go to that other penalty. Go, wait, I was looking at this penalty.

Well, there was something that happened before when I rolled it back, we noticed it. In football, they would never do that. They would never say, wait a second, we're looking to see if his feet's in bounds, but in the back, I see a punch thrown. Or I see a hold. They wouldn't say it's a hole.

Don't worry about his feet. It's not going to count.

So, Mike Vaccaro is author of The Bosses of the Bronx: The Endless Drama of the Yankees under the House of Steinbrenner. And, Mike, I know you're not the biggest soccer guy, but it's impossible to have missed the story of the soccer summer: 39 days, 76 games here, 104 overall. What were your thoughts about this sport and about what we just witnessed?

Well, I think I could write another book just trying to figure out the offsides penalty, like you just said. I know. Everyone's confused about off-sides. Go ahead. You know, one of the great things about this, I thought, Brian, was just how.

You know, you have an event like this, you have the best players in the world. And all the best players in the world played great. You know, they all had their moment. And so even passive soccer fans like myself, You only know a handful of names. I mean, all those names play great.

And to me, that's what you really that's what you really look for, whether it's a soccer tournament, an international basketball tournament. And to me, that was the fun part. I mean, Messi, of course, his team was pretty quiet in the finals, but you know, that that run they had where he he was a part of every important goal. You know, it kind of made you realize that talent is talent no matter what the sport is. And a lot of times it rises when it has to.

I mean, the Yankees own part of Manchester City, and they're building a brand new soccer stadium right next to City Field, right over there. I think the Yankees tried to get it built in the Bronx, but De Basio was just not hearing it.

So they're finally getting it built here. I'm wondering the big picture if this is ever going to be a bigger sport than it is right now. Do you think it's going to be at the Olympics where we only care about skating and skiing and track and field when it's the Olympics? Look, I think that the fact of the matter is that there's two things at Edwork now. I mean, the participation in soccer among kids is at an all-time high, and it's higher than just about any other sport.

So, especially for basketball, I believe basketball is one, soccer's two. And that's always kind of been the case for a lot of years, but now you have the opportunity if you're a young soccer fan. No, thanks to the wonders of T V. No, you can you can follow Manchester City or Manchester United or any Any club you want to, all around the world, where you can find the you know the best players, so it's available to you now in a way it wasn't certainly when we were kids, but even. You know, for young soccer players 10-15 years ago, it wasn't that accessible, and now it is so.

Uh I I certainly know a lot more. uh some soccer fans in their twenties and their thirties who have really latched on to you know, their premiership team of choice only because they can follow them now. Just as easily as they follow a football team, an American football team, or their favorite basketball team.

So let's talk about the sport that's left right now. There's no football. Basketball is in hibernation. NHL is in hibernation. Football camps haven't started yet.

And soccer, for many people, is finally done. I was sad to see it stop. But Mike, for you, the Yankees are a game and a half out of first, I think. But the hottest team in baseball, and I think they're setting a Boston Red Sox record, is the Boston Red Sox. They won again last night.

Could you explain to people what's happening in the American League East? If I could, I'd probably do something more lucrative than what I do for a living, Brian, because I'd figure out how to fix baseball teams. Inexplicably, you know, because the Red Sox were adrift. Yeah, everything we're saying about the Mets right now, we were saying about the Red Sox six weeks ago. And it was that sudden.

Look, it kind of started. I mean, I know they had a four-game sweep of the Yankees, and that was kind of the, we thought it was going to be their feel-good moment of the baseball season. You know, they kind of retreat. To being the mediocre and best team they had been for the first three months of the season. And they've instead just played that forward.

And it's remarkable because yesterday, They headed bigly against the Orioles, they blew it, they came back, they had a harrowing ninth inning, and they won the game because a guy hit a ball right at the shortstop. I mean, that's the kind of thing that happens when you get on winning streaks like this. And look, I mean, for Yankees fans, it's got to be a pit in the stomach feeling because you thought the Red Sox were dead and buried. And look, there are some ghosts that are at work now. Between those two teams, and not all of them positive for the Yankees, although they won last year in the playoffs.

But you know what? I mean, if you're a Red Sox fan, it's kind of a reminder, it is a very long season. You know, we saw it with the Mets two years ago when they were dead and buried in June, and then they were in the National League Championship Series. It can happen in the baseball season more than any other season because you know what? There is always the possibility, you hear it in the movies.

I mean, they said it in Bull Durham years ago. You know, you win a game today, you win a game tomorrow, suddenly you're on a winning streak. And guess what's possible? And the Red Sox are showing exactly what's possible.

So when you look at the Dodgers and the Yankees play, the Yankees are able to get a game and really catch up because the Rays are playing the Red Sox and they got crushed. But Lotani is not going to be pitching for a while. Do you know what happens with John? Yeah, no, it's just me. And look, I mean, the Dodgers, the Dodgers have all but secured themselves by in October.

I mean, they have a big lead in their division. They still have the best record in baseball. They're going to be in October. You know, in a lot of ways, the Dodgers, and even the Yankees, for that matter, they have the same mission now that the Knicks did. The Knicks had this kind of, I don't want to call it a middling season because 53 wins is a good season.

It projects to 106 wins in baseball. But their number one goal the entirety of the season was to be whole. By the time the playoffs started, and they were, and you saw what happened. When they were whole, they were a pretty good team. And it's the same thing for the Dodgers.

I mean, it really doesn't matter to them, you know, if Botany can win 18, 19 games in the regular season. They want him to be ready for game one of the playoffs, and he will be, you would think. I mean, it's not a devastating injury. He just needs to get better and he needs to not. Have to have the stress on his landing knee that he has if he's going to keep starting.

So they're going to rest him on that. He's still going to hit. But they want to be whole. And they haven't been whole all year, which is the amazing thing. They're on a 105-win pace, and they're missing five key players, and a few others aren't having great years.

Same thing with the Yankees. Look, I mean You know, I don't really care if Judge doesn't come back until September 20th. I mean, you want to get him some reps before the end of the season. But as long as he's 100% by October 1st, that's what you really want. And Max Freed and the other guys who are missing.

So, you know, the Yankees will be fine because the American League is so bad, so no one's really going to challenge one of their playoff spots. They'll get in, and then it's a matter of just being whole once you get in. Judge is going to come back. I mean, what do you hear? It's his rib, right?

Yeah, and look, you got a little bit of a setback that you can't start baseball activities yet, but again, it's only July. You know, if he misses all of July, all of August, and he comes back in September, who knows if that's going to be the case. I mean, look, it may well be that he's a slow feeler with that rib, and maybe he never comes back, and the whole narrative is different. But as long as there's a chance for him to come back, and as long as there's a chance for the Yankees to be full. In October, that's what you have to focus on right now.

You know, he's not going to have an MVP season. You know, he's not going to have one of his all-time seasons. I have to wait for next year for another one of those. But as long as he's back in the lineup and and kind of ready to go by the middle of September, that's really all the Yankees have to worry about.

So th they're coming up on a trade trading deadline. How would George Steinbrand handle this trading deadline knowing his team is in in you know, sm smelling first place as opposed to the way his son's handling it?

Well, it depends on what version of George you're talking about, Brian. If you're talking about the George in the mid-80s, which was in a constant state of. impetuousness and impatience. He might make a couple of deals that he lived to regret. If it's the George later on who trusted his people, who trusted Gene Michael and trusted Brian Cashman, I think you're gonna have what you're gonna get with the Yankees, which is a measured approach.

Trying to get the exact right editions. And look, that's how you know, people hate this word, but that's as much of a crapshoot as October. You know, I mean, you can make what looked like great deals in August, and simply don't look so great in October. And the other way around, you could have low impact deals in in August. Look, when the Yankees got Graham Lloyd 30 years ago in 1996, he was not only a low impact acquisition, but he was terrible in the regular season.

And yet the Yankees absolutely don't win the World Series that year without him. That's a great example of just how you never really know. The trade deadline is going to play out until it actually plays out. Right. And all the drama of the 80s and 90s, and all the way through today in their winning years, is in Mike Vicaro's book, author of The Bosses of the Bronx: The Endless Drama of the Yankees under the House of Steinbrenner.

I do ask, real quick, Mike: are they going to be Making trades on this trade deadline? Do you think they're going to be willing and dealing? Oh, yeah, absolutely, because they have needs. They have needs. I mean, they'd love to get another bat behind the plate.

They'd love to strengthen that bullpen. And, you know, they'd just love to get one other bat in general, I think, because right now they send their bat short, especially if they have to make do for a while without Judge. Mike Vicaro, thanks so much. Back in a moment, we'll do a simulcast with Stuart Varney. Tomu.

Now, the Brian Kilmead Show joins Fox Business's Varney and Company with Stuart Varney, live on your radio and on Fox Business. Here's Brian Kilmead. Yeah, so I'm gonna talk a little World Cup with Stuart. You know, he's a big soccer guy. We'll talk about that.

And what I saw yesterday, I didn't get a chance to bring up, but I saw the video and I missed it because I was staring at the podium. It looks like all of Argentina turned their back. On Spain, not only did they start fights after they lost, but they turned their back all except one player on Spain. Can you imagine that losing and being that disrespectful? I mean, what a disaster, and how that makes that country look just absolutely terrible.

And the fighting afterwards, I mean, it's embarrassing. You just lost, so now you want to. Like, throw a tantrum?

Socialist Studio. Former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo speaking out against socialism. He says the agenda will only end up benefiting Republicans. Watch this.

Socialism has not worked anywhere on the globe, Maria. Promises of free lunch, free buses, free rent, free everything. There is no such thing as free.

Someone always pays. This is a dream. This is Nirvana. This is utopia. And they're selling to young people who are buying it.

But it's not going to work. And the socialist movement is the best thing the Republicans have going for them. Brian, I'm not sure how much influence Andrew Cuomo has, but my question is, why is socialism gaining in popularity if it's going to hurt the Democrat Party?

Well, then you got to ask yourself if you want to know who's voting for these people. And evidently, they're overeducated twenty somethings and rich white people. I mean, only 4% of the people, the black vote, I think, went to Mandami in New York City. This isn't one of those things where minorities forced to go the extreme way because they can't get anywhere in America. No, this is not not a minority movement.

And a lot of people they're primaring, like this Hispanic leader over in New York City, are losing their jobs to other people who have extreme views. I mean, but the views are almost comical. Get rid of the Senate, get rid of the Supreme Court, defund the Pentagon. Are you kidding me? And some of these people are actually winning.

So I'm watching Governor Cuomo. I don't think he has any influence. I don't think anybody likes him. But I think that he does, he is noted to say it's not a Democrat. He's a liberal.

He's not even a moderate. Don't let anyone say he's a moderate. And then you have Van Jones. Uh Jamie Metzel. Other people coming out just saying James Carville.

What's going on? Have some pride. For example, I'll give you the sports analogy. Can you imagine if four people walked into the locker room, said, I'm going to be on your team, I'm going to wear my own jersey? That's what Bernie Sanders did 20 years ago.

He said, I'm not going to be a Democrat, but I'll run for president as a Democrat. And they said, okay, what could go wrong?

Well, the guy almost won, and now he's putting mayors and AGs and congresspeople into office. That's what he's done. Yeah. In resurfaced comments that have just surfaced again, far-left streamer Hassan Paika praised Mao Sedung. China's communist revolutionary leader.

He stated, and I'm quoting now directly: Mao Zedong is one of the great leaders of this world, okay? A man who changed the entire universe, the entire planet. The People's Republic of China would not exist without Mao Zedong. Brian, why are youngsters listening to this? I don't know.

Do you see how he dressed? He was invited to speak at a college conference, and he dressed like Mao.

So good job.

So living up to your hype, you're idolizing butchers that killed, I think, 40 to 50 million people. I'm sure he loves Stalin. You know, some of those guys in the extreme right love Stalin. This guy, you know, Fuentes, Nick Fuentes comes out and says, I love Stalin. I celebrate his birthday.

He's one of the most despicable characters in world history.

So these are who you're following. And Hassan Piker, who is a socialist, lives in a $2.7 million mansion. And this guy goes to Cuba to try to help out.

So he's trying to save socialism.

So all these people that go get their PhDs or multiple graduate degrees, they're coming out and they think that is the way to save America. America doesn't live up to what they want.

So people got to sober up quickly and find out sooner or later, this is coming from the schools and it's coming from ungrateful first-generation immigrants who want to change the country like to the one they left.

So Hassan Piker is a despicable guy. Anyone like Rogana who goes on his podcast deserves the same reputation and the stench that is on this guy. After 56 years here, I'm very happy, Brian, and I'm staying. Thank you. Brian Kilmeet, everyone.

We'll see him again real soon. Thanks, Brian. Stay here. That is Stuart Varney, and we're talking about it.

So, here's some of the, I want to use some time to go through some of the emails from people who are writing from heard the show yesterday. Um Here is some of the things they're saying about Democratic Socialists. I get this email from Matt. He says, I've been wondering when someone in the DSA wins an election, how can they be sworn into office and swear to uphold the Constitution when they profess to be against it? Absolutely.

I'm sure they'll get around it because they stand for nothing. How about this? Randy is a retired cop. He says, I am deeply concerned about our country's infrastructure with regards to homeland security. A person such as yourself has the ability to contact heads of government because they have concerns about what happened yesterday, and they were able to get that close to an ICE facility and spark things up on the sidewalk, have a manifesto, be heavily armed with knives and guns, pellet guns was one of them, and get that close.

He's an army who left Leslie Army in 2007, so he's concerned about that. You know, other people. Other people talking about what's happening in New York. And one of the things that's happened in New York that's not getting a lot. Of publicity, but I brought it up on Sunday and I brought it up last night hosting for Jesse show, is that in New York, the governor has put a moratorium on new data centers.

So you know what that means? That means plumbers, pipe fitters, these are all union jobs for many cases: pipe fitters and electricians, all these blue-collar jobs. are not coming to New York. Because she's trying to win reelection and she thinks most Democrats are against data centers. But an interesting study was just done and maybe Kathy Hochul should get a new poster.

When it comes to AI, 56% have a favorable view of AI. 71% say it's the start of a new industrial revolution. 53% say it'll save America. This will save America and we should move quickly on it. 53%.

And 61% says it'll find a way to solve and cure diseases.

So that comes from data centers. There's a responsible way to do it. I understand the way we did it early in the 80s wasn't. This one is, the new ones are. Demand accountability and certain specifics, but let them build it.

Also, green light these miniature nuclear reactors in order to fuel it so your utility bills don't go up. Right. From the Fox News Radio Studios in Midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmead. All right, from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan, we are ready to roll.

We got Chairman Michael McCall standing by. He used to be the chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. He is now on Homeland Security as well. John Johnson is going to be with us too, CEP of Pentmas Tech. We're going to talk about AI infrastructure.

Why is it so controversial to build a data center? Why is it a big deal? Even in blue states like Texas, it's not a layup anymore. 40% of the new data centers are being protested, and politicians are worried if they support it, suddenly they're going to have trouble getting winning their primary.

So, but meanwhile, we're following the latest revelations as it relates to Iran. And we're seeing the fact that we are bombing now for 10 straight days, and it seems like we might be setting. setting the groundwork for possibly hitting the capital.

Meanwhile, the Houthi rebels have said we're in the process of shutting down the Red Sea to Saudi oil, which would be devastating to the oil market globally. Chairman Michael McColl joins us now. Congressman, welcome back. Hey, thanks for having me, Brian. Good to be Doc.

Hey, dude, the MOU, I think you and I both agree, was a prescription for disaster. And it seems the the Iranians didn't know how good they had it. And they were abusing it, and they shot at merchant ships. And now finally, I think it's history. How would you characterize where we're at right now in this conflict?

Well, I think we're going back to Plan A. I mean, we were the military was very successful at achieving the objective. They were put on hold pending this negotiation, this MOU. And look, I understand. the President wanting to negotiate this.

Is there important and direct Recognize who are you negotiating with, and it's the regime. And quite frankly, Brian, you and I don't have a lot of trust. In them, right? You can talk about Trust Verify. I was never really sanguine they were going to.

come to an agreement on this MOU. And if they did, they would violate it.

So now we're going back to where we were prior to the ceasefire. It is my sincere hope Uh that the President unleashes the full strength of our military to achieve its objective. And that is to wipe out all launch pads from which they can launch Shahed drones, missiles, and then open up the straits. Take out the IRGC as much as possible, both by strikes and internally inside of Iran. Israel has assets.

In Iran, I think with this regime. You're always going to have a problem negotiating any sort of deal.

So I hope the President's back on track. Uh, you're like, if you're gonna do this, do it right. I'm with the colon powell doctor, and you either go all in or Or you don't go in at all. Here's what Alex Gray said, the former NSC Chief of Staff, cut seven. Look, the Iranian people, this is ultimately their fight.

And the Iranian people for years have been under the thumb of this murderous regime. And the only way, ultimately, the final, you know, the solution to this 47-year conflict is for the Iranian people to rise up and to reclaim their country. And to the extent that the United States can help facilitate that, that's the ultimate way that this is going to be resolved once and for all, is to give the Iranian people the freedom that they deserve. If there's a way for the U.S. to help make that a reality, that's certainly in our long-term interest to do so.

I know you can't give intelligence, but we just got to know if the Iranian people can get armed. We know they're brave. My you know, your uh the that uh your guess is absolutely correct. Uh, this does not end until the Iranian people rise up and take out this theocracy, as Sinti Ayatollah came into power in 1979. And you know, I've had briefings in that space, and I've asked them.

You know what plans do we have? I knew the plans to take out the nuclear capabilities. Where I always thought we were in a little bit of a deficit. was on uh the issue of Empowering the people to take their government back. To free Iran from the theocracy of the Ayatollah.

And, you know, we never really had a good plan, Brian. We didn't have a, there was never a leader ready to go like the Ayatollah was with a shah. We didn't have a source of weapons to go in to arm them against the IRGC. And we didn't have a lot of good communications.

Now, we can still recover. I think getting Starlink in full in Iran, I think there was a plan by the CIA to get weapons in. That was held back for some reason. And Israel is very good at this. I think if we just assisted Them through our intelligence community inside of Iran to number one, take out the IRGC.

Without the IRGC, the Ayatollah. Uh has no power at all, and uh but I haven't seen that happening to date. And we bombed their barracks. We bombed the IRGC barracks. I don't know how many were sleeping there at the time.

Hopefully all of them. But we took that and they came back and hid our barracks in Jordan.

Now I'm wondering, Chairman, from you, what you know. Do you believe that for them to be this precise Someone like China or Russia has to be giving them coordinates. Oh, I know they are. Uh Russia is giving them uh targets. uh targeting sites to kill Americans.

Uh in fact they have and it's worked. China is giving them technology. China is giving them Russia all the technology for their weapons. I saw that in Ukraine. They're also giving that to the Russians and Iranians.

Russia is all in this fight with Iran.

So that's why I think, again, going back to the Lindsey Graham's sanction bill that I've worked on, and we're still trying to get it to a good place to. get it done this week is so important because Yeah, if you're hitting Russia, you're also hitting Iran. I think a lot of people don't realize that Russia and China are aligned. And they're also aligned with Iran. All three of them are in this together.

Or North Korea. And there and North Korea is in there as well.

So, what you're saying is, leave the bill as it is because the President said, I want to add Iran to that sanctions bill. Anyone's going to anyone. You're doing any commerce, any business with Iran, we're going to sanction them.

So And then I saw Senator Blumenthal said, I think we kind of like it the way it is.

So where do you stand, Chairman?

Well, that's where we are right now. We are good to go. I think the president, I understand, I fully support. Further sanctions against Iran.

Now, Lindsay's bill had secondary sanctions that would cover Iran's. Uh uh acquisition of defense articles from Russia. But it would also include any energy coming from Russia. That was already in the bill. Uh the President wants to add um uh Tougher sanctions on Iran in that personally I'm I'm all in favor of that, Brian.

I think it's a delicate balance with the Democrats. I think Lindsay always. Wanted this to be You know, bipartisan, bicameral. That's why he brought me in and he wanted the White House behind it. And he worked his magic, you know, getting this done.

Of course, yeah, the Iran thing is is what's changed. And we're in current negotiations with the White House right now on that very issue. But you're worried that if you have to do a rewrite, you're not going to get a vote this week.

Well, we have to. If we're going to change it at all, we have to either reintroduce it. or add an amendment onto it in the Senate. And that decision has not been made yet.

So I'm watching now the President of the United States with the President of Lebanon. At which time I think this is on the table, that Lebanon's going to get some training and work with Syria. And I guess with Israel pulls out, and then Syrian troops, highly trained, will move in. and in theory, push out Hezbollah. But a lot of people look at this and say, man, they're going to be more loyal to Hezbollah than they're going to be even to the Lebanese government.

Where are you going to find troops that are going to be loyal to loyal enough or brave enough to push back this Iranian Finance Terror Group. How do you feel about this plan? Yeah, well, we've always supported Congress the Lebanese. Military against Hezbollah, you know, that fight. I know Israel is very much involved in that.

Uh you know, Syria is in a very delicate uh position right now with their new president after. El Shara was taken out. And so, and then you got the rise of ISIS in there. It's very, very complicated, Brian. I mean, Turkey has more of a presence than Russia.

I mean, yeah, the proxies of Iran are part of the. Bigger equation here. In an isolated vacuum, and not talk about Hezwah, not talk about Hamas, not talk about the Houthi rebels, because they are the tentacles of Iran and their extensions. Of Iran, in Lebanon, in the Gaza Strip, and also in Yemen. And now the Houthi rebels are talking about shutting out the Red Sea against Saudi Arabia.

This it's complicated and um I'm always of mindset that, look, it's a very serious decision to go in. But once you do it, you got to do it right. And you have to go all in. Otherwise, to do this back and forth and stop and start type thing, negotiate. Stop, hit 'em, stop, negotiate.

I'm with Gerald Jack Keene on this one. Like, just. Go in, our military can finish this. And then let's work on getting a new regime in power because That is the head of the snake, Brian. If you can take the head of the snake, which is the Ayatollah and the regime out.

You will kill the tentacles, and that is Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Huthi rebels. Yeah, I mean I think you're 100% right. The Houthi rebels take over the Red Sea. That's going to complicate things. We'd have to get involved, even though their main problem is with Saudi Arabia.

They had a preexisting rivalry there. But the result's going to be Saudis can't get their oil through, and it's a global market, so it's going to affect all of us. Have you seen a military plan, Congressman McCall, that shows how we open up the strait, regardless of Iran's permission or not? It's been described to me and we had a Pentagon visit scheduled this morning, but we had our conference. It's getting rescheduled.

But I was with Senator Roger Wicker yesterday, the Senate Armed Services Chairman. And we talked about this, that Uh look, there's a plan to do this. I think Cooper, the CENTCOM Commander has a plan to do this. And part of the problem is that they we they've have have taken their launchers and their missiles and they put them back into these you know these underground storage facilities where they have the nuclear material so getting to that is going to be Uh the uh Tricky but achievable goal. That I think has to be done to then finally get the straits open.

And I personally. believe there should have been and there should be some sort of clandestine operation. I think the Israel can obviously take the lead on this, on getting this regime out of power. I don' It will continue to be a problem as long as this regime is in power.

So I was talking to someone involved in the people. Yeah. I want to talk about Ukraine. You got this honor in Ukraine because you've been steadfast in supporting this cause. It is the cause of the West.

And the way they're fighting five years later has just been phenomenal. How would you characterize what you saw on the ground two weeks ago when you were in Ukraine?

Well, I went farther than any U.S. official has gone on the front lines. Astounding. All I say is remarkable. I was watching in underground undisclosed locations these live feeds of drone operations taking place, recapturing Russian occupied territory.

The average lifespan, they told me, of a Russian soldier is days to hours. And I actually saw that taking place. Also, they have their command and control center operations outside of Kiev that I went to, that's a massive facility. I went to one drone manufacturer, Skyfall, making 7,000 drones per day on a massive scale. Think about one $1,000 drone can take out a Shahed drone, whereas before, Brian, we were using a million-dollar interceptor to take out a $25,000 Shahed.

This is where. We can learn something from Ukraine. I think we should be w uh co-producing. Thrones with the Ukrainians. Uh And what they need desperately is what President Trump has given them.

And that is these licensing agreements to manufacture Patriot interceptors because Right now, they're pounding Kyiv with these ballistic missiles.

So, are you going to number one? Are the contracts been signed? Is that a done deal? And it's just with the licensing or is it just Lockheed Martin, I just got information yesterday, or moving forward with these agreements. I think the question now, Brian, is going to be Where are they going to um co-produce these uh interceptors So there was a deal on the table where the Ukrainians publicly offered, probably privately more specific, hey, we know how to stop the Shahed drones.

We'll provide that to you. And Ukraine is helping the Gulf states. Have we given them an answer? Because it seems like we would benefit that too, especially protect our bases. The military and other officials are working on Golden Dome operations.

And I asked him, are you. Are you using some of these Ukrainian Uh counter drone um um you know, uh drone missiles that they have and and they said, Yeah, they are Militarily, the strategy is similar, Brian. And Ukraine has taken out launch pads. In interior Russia, that deliver the Shaheds and the ballistic missiles. And the same thing happens with the Straits of Hormuz.

To take out the Shahad drones themselves, but also the launchers in Iran. And the launchers for the missile capability.

So, in a way, the two conflicts are similar, and certainly the offensive. Military defense articles being used by Russia are being used by Iran, and that is the Shahed drone.

So much on the table. It's going to be a critical time. I think the President is going to decide whether or expand the war or I don't know what the option would be or continue to hit these targets, but I think it's sending a good message to Iran. In case you think we're just going to quit, Or that it's over, or we're going to cut a bad deal. No, we're not.

So they gave it a shot. Just because I think it's the right thing to do, but now I think it's back to kinetic action. Congressman Michael McCall, thanks so much. Always great to talk to you, sir. And thanks for Brian, thanks for having me.

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I think if you have to work to pay your bills. I think that that is one definition of being a part of the working class.

So that's everyone with a W-2? Is that kind of 1099s too? I think it's. I'm less interested in that.

So, someone making $250,000 a year is working class. I mean, I I haven't sat at home and asked myself where it starts and stops. What a clown! If you don't know who working class is, or what bracket is what bracket, How are you so convinced that taxes have to get raised? At what level do you raise taxes?

What does a million dollars mean? How much are you taking home if you have a million dollars? You're probably taking home four hundred fifty thousand dollars if you live in New York City.

Well, that's a lot of money, unless you have an apartment. With three bedrooms. And then you have a job and you have a couple of kids, and they got to pay for school. And if it's private school, and then you got to pay for parking. All of a sudden, next thing you know, you're living paycheck to paycheck.

Well, who is that what is this for? You know, what do you believe?

Socialism got to pay for everything. Got to pay for your preschool, got to pay for the pre-K. They pay for two-year-olds, they're paying for two-year-old daycare, right? And now you got to pay for the preschool, okay, you got to pay for that debas. You're doing that.

And now you don't want to pay for buses. Of course, you can't pay for buses, that's fine.

So Where are you getting the money from?

Well, those people that you wanted to tax are leaving. More people have left. More multimillionaires and billionaires have left New York than any other state in the Union. And now they're going to leave now because people make their money by not giving it away to knuckleheads like this guy. But when asked, what is working class, he has no answer.

Should be the first thing you come up with after doing the math. and then finding out how people live. Brankie. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Killmead. I think we've done a terrible job in the tech world on the PR on this, on explaining these.

People are anxious for good reason. People don't trust big tech for good reason, especially from the right. But, you know, I don't think we're explaining that we're actually creating massive numbers of jobs. We're going to bring down the cost of healthcare. We're going to start to cure diseases.

Like all these good new innovations, the things that have always driven America forward, they're coming from AI and from data centers.

So you can't just turn off our innovation world. That would crush the country. And our enemies would love it if we did that.

Well, he's one of the founders of Palantir, Joe Lonsdale, all over AI and wants to win and will do anything to make sure this country's safe. And he can't believe the blowback the data centers are having and the reluctance some are having, especially on the left, to get involved in AI. John Johnson joins us now. He's all over this. He's CEP, CEP of Potmos Hosting, a U.S.-based AI infrastructure company.

John, your thoughts about what Joe Lonsdale just said. I mean, he can't believe the pushback we're getting, and he thinks this effort against... Mm. AI and against data centers is organized. Brian, great to be with you.

I think I'm CEO, not CEP.

Sorry about that. Yeah, CEO. No problem at all. You know, there is a lot of pushback against data centers in communities, and there's, I think, a really good reason for that. I mean, it is true.

That multi-megawatt and even approaching gigawatt data centers create. A lot of friction in communities. They create a war for resources and power. They can be built in ways that are really bad for the environment. And per square foot, they create.

A tremendously low amount of jobs after the initial construction projects are done.

So there is real tension to work out there. And it and honestly, it remains to be seen how profitable a gigawatt campus can be. And I think there's so much smoke in the air. There's so many fake press releases about these massive projects that just never get built and leave communities high and dry.

So our thesis is really that the real sweet spot is that Goldilocks zone for a data center. And data centers can be built in a way that's really sustainable. Pat Most built the first actually assessed clean energy data center in history, but that happens in like the 10 to 50 megawatt zone. That's also where the economics make the most sense. And we think that's where the market's really going.

And I think there is rightful friction and hesitation against big tech promises. And so we'll see where that happens, but it might surprise you to know that I'm not entirely opposed to data center moratoriums of 100 megawatts or more. But do I understand correctly, John? If you don't build the data centers, you could expect your storage on your phone and the rates to go up on your phone because the memory is going to be finite. And people are going to be pushing more for the same.

So there is going to be if you don't build it, the utility price is definitely going to go up. And that EO that the President put out that said: if you're going to build a data center, you've got to provide the power for that data center. That would solve one thing. The other thing is the water.

So they got to make sure the water's been reused, correct? That's right. Recycled water or glycol systems, a data center correctly built and really built sustainably can use less water than a nine-hole golf course on a daily basis, right?

So water is not the issue. The problem is when you get up into this multi-multi-megawatt, gigawatt zone, Nothing really good happens after that point, and they can be really destructive to communities. But you're totally right. Like, we do need data centers everywhere to make this virtual meeting happen, to make our phones work, to power AI. And it is really important for national security and economic reasons that we do win this race.

Well, is there regulation?

So, for example, if your company wanted to build a data center, there's parameters right now. Do you not think those parameters are adequate? It depends what municipality you're looking to build in. And there are certain, you know, I'm a California native who very deliberately founded a tech company in Missouri because there are certain states like California and New York where we just don't want to be. All right.

So Kathy Hochl comes along and says, you can't build a data center in New York. And I'm like, well, great. I also, in good conscience, cannot accept the Nobel Peace Prize this year. It's like, we don't want to be there anyway because power is 50% more expensive than the national average. There's not a great business environment to be there.

But really, the best place for these moratoriums to be considered so communities can actually figure out what's best for them, what's going to create the most benefit is at the local level. And so we've had a lot of success engaging with city councils, mayors. It seems like we're on a new call with a new mayor from somewhere in the heartland every week lately of mayors who want to invite us to repeat what we did in Kansas City to build a really sustainable, jobs-dense, mixed-use technology campus.

So, for example, when you get the plumbers, the pipe fitters, you like. To build a data center. You're saying that once it's up and running, we don't need them anymore? Do they need to be a family? Yeah, for us, we don't build data centers in the traditional sense.

We build economic engines that are powered by AI factories, but then these are powering mixed-use campuses.

So you get tech startups, all kinds of entrepreneurs, vendors living in that building permanently and creating net-due jobs for cities. And really think that's the recipe for success. Because if you do this right and you have enough space, you can actually create this economic engine that there's a ton of money to be made in AI, right? But you can actually power buildings that create tech economies and ecosystems for local communities. And we also do that by retrofitting existing buildings.

So we're not tearing down farmland and creating giant rural tombstones that suck up everybody's power and create like no jobs in return. We're taking existing buildings that maybe had a previous industrial purpose but happen to have electricity already there and effectively recycling them. And we've seen that as a great recipe for success that many municipalities across the country want to engage with. And it's kind of a really different program than big tech's proposition to basically give all the power, create no jobs. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of square feet for their pursuit to create God in a box.

You don't need a gigawatt campus to power your cell phones and your Zoom meetings and your targeted AI models, which is where the real economic benefit is. And you notice the companies trying to build the gigawatt campuses, they don't really have privacy security in mind. And I think communities are right to be hesitant about that scale of development. But for example, I would engage if it's my community, if I've, you know, I would say, this is what I want to see in the data center rather than we don't want that because there's no stopping this AI generation. Do you agree?

So I think that's a good idea.

So let's engage. Yeah, that's right. And we're seeing the smartest municipalities across the country really take this question seriously. It's not a question of, you know, how do we prevent tech from being a part of our lives? That's that ship is sailed, right?

The Amish option is not an option. No disrespect to your Amish viewers. It's a question of how we build a data center in a smart way that's actually beneficial, good, and symbiotic for a local community. And there is a way to do that if you're willing to. How do you feel about the facility being built in Louisiana?

Are you familiar with it? Are they going to be Christian? Yeah, I mean, you know, Meta has effectively acquired the state of Louisiana.

So, again, it's a question of scale. Um you know, no no hard feelings for anybody trying to build at that scale. But I'd like to see it when it's done. Every week, it seems like we get a new press release about a gigawatt plus campus. And what people don't really understand is that there might be, if you make an exception for X's, Elon Musk Colossus in Tennessee.

Right. There is no gigawatt campus in production right now.

So much of it is kind of press release smoke where they're waiting 24 to 36 months for their set of turbines and they have been waiting for the last 24 to 36 months. We build data centers in a 10 to 50 megawatt zone and get them up and running in six months or less.

So communities don't have to wait for the economic benefits.

Furthermore, we're not even asking for municipal or state subsidies. We're there to contribute and spin the electric meter and create revenue for cities. And I think if more companies really adopted that approach, they'd be getting a lot less friction from these towns. And we really invite competition in that.

So, John, but you have to make money, right?

So, I mean, there's profit for you.

So, like, so you're saying that the municipalities will benefit, but you have to benefit, right? Absolutely. And Patmos is one of the only profitable companies doing what we're doing. You notice these multi-megawatt, gigawatt scale projects, they haven't quite figured out a way to be profitable. And that is creating a rightful concern in what many people are calling an AI bubble.

Because there's a tremendous capital expense involved in constructing at this scale. And we can't really figure out how to make it profitable. That should scare everybody. John Johnson with the CEO of Podmos Hosting, and he's here. We're talking about data centers and AI.

I talked to Mike Rowe on Sunday on my show, One Nation, because he's in charge of getting blue collar jobs to build these things.

So he's getting these scholarships. They're coming up, I think. Meta gave him $6 million to be able to pay people while they're training.

So, a lot of people can't quit their job if they don't have the training.

So, he's trying to do that so they can employ these people. And here's what he said about the pushback: listen: It feels like the latest thing we're supposed to be scared of. And I just don't get it. There are 5,000 data centers in the country right now. We've been living in a data center world for the last 30 years.

Every email you've ever opened, every text you've ever sent, Spotify, Netflix. Amazon, your fantasy football league. All of it. Relies on AI, and not AI, but the data center itself.

So he he doesn't get it. No, he totally gets it. And data centers are a part of our economy for sure. And they do make all of these things possible. They are very good.

However, none of those things are made possible by a gigawatt data center.

So scale is really what matters here. And that's where we have to make a distinction. How about this? I'm uneducated about this. Most of the people listening are like me.

So what's so big what's so bad about big? Nothing's bad about big in itself until you have to start raising precious farmland, sucking away more power, like 10 times the power than the city used before you got there for all of its people and air conditioners and such, right? And it can't really be done profitably, at least yet.

So I think the promise of the gigawatt data center build is really being driven by like two or three tech companies who control the internet and are in a pursuit of creating AGI or Singularity or something that probably won't be that good for humanity. All the real application, all the profitable application of AI happens out of data centers in the 10 to 50 to 100 megawatt range. And I understand that AI is a big part of what needs to expand that scale. But gigawatt and above, very little good happens.

So, you notice I think is necessary is data centers got to be built. They just got to be built in a way that's going to be sustainable, be profitable, be profitable, and not jack up anybody's utility rates. By the way, if you're a politician, you're jacking people's utility rates, you're not going to have a job.

So that's not going to work for anybody. You're not going to get a Republican or Democrat to support it.

So the President signed that executive order to power it. And one thing they're talking about is modular nuclear, these miniature nuclear power plants. They're in the process of being greenlighted. How close is that, and is there a downside to this miniature nuclear plant? Nuclear takes time.

It's also a little bit spooky, probably for some of the wrong reasons. I think it's a great alternative, and I think that's the right play. We want to win the AI race against China, but we're not going to do that by hand-wringing legislation over IP protection and patent laws. That's not going to work. If we want to beat China at the AI race, we need to build power plants really, really quickly.

We need to domesticate our supply chain. And I think the President's intuition on that is pretty accurate.

Now let's see it happen, right? We need to see power plants springing up across the country. We need to see the grid revitalize because ours is pretty old and pretty dilapidated. Yeah, we keep hearing that, and no one ever fixes it. I guess it's just too much, I don't understand why we don't ever make that a priority.

And lastly, How many sis are you saying you're the only one to build a sustainable data center right now using recyclable water that doesn't jack up people's utility rates? Right now, it's crazy. Yeah, we're the first data center in history. We took an abandoned printing press in the middle of downtown Kansas City, 400,000 square foot building, and we were the first in history to be awarded a green energy CPACE $100 million facility for that accomplishment.

So sustainability is kind of a bumper sticker in everybody's break room, but we actually did it. And we invite competition in that because there is a way to do this in a way that actually benefits communities, as long as we're not thinking like the tech oligarchs in this country of basically creating something that makes, you know, every tech company has the same exact product, Brian. Every big tech company, their product is me and it's you, right? And so Patmos just takes a different approach. We believe that technology should actually be at the service of the human person.

So we're completely bootstrapped. We haven't taken money from anybody, and we're building it brick by brick in a way that's actually sustainable and good for communities. Power side. How much are you concerned about AI, or are you just excited about AI? Where does it concern one to ten, of ten being the highest, one being the lowest?

And how much of you is just excited about what it can be? I think AI is a really amazing thing if it's understood as ancillary to human goods. The second we start to think of AI as this god that we have to worship and submit all of our power and resources to and take a chip in our hand so we can more conveniently check out at Whole Foods, that's what really scares me and a lot of people. And we have to listen to these big tech oligarchs in Seattle and Silicon Valley when they start talking like that. That's a disaster, a recipe for disaster for this culture and this nation.

And so hopefully, if we can understand the rightly ordered purpose of technology, which is to support human goods and human flourishing, we're going to win. But we got to get that question right first. We got to understand the endgame that tech is actually meant to serve humans, not the other way around. How do we get China to agree to that? You don't.

And you can't legislate. You know, China steals IP. That's been happening since the 70s and 80s, right?

So the rich irony here is that Sam Altman is now upset that China is stealing his IP and making it open source.

Well, isn't that why he promised to found OpenAI in the first place, is to make an open source model? She went back on that promise. Yeah, sure.

Now China's distilling and taking his IP and making it open source, but that's not the real threat. I'm not so worried about the threat across the Pacific as the one on the Pacific coast of the United States of America, which is basically four companies who want to control the entire internet and, frankly, the human experience as well. That's the real threat that we should be aware of. And what we need is decentralized technological power in this country.

So we need small tech, we need little tech, we need local tech to rise up and take control of their destiny with AI data centers and everything in between. CEO of Podmos Hosting, John John. Johnson, thanks so much. Fantastic, John. We learned a lot.

Thanks, Brian. Good work. Thank you. Back in a moment. Real talk, real guests, real insight, where curiosity meets conversation.

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