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Hey, Brian, good to be with you. Adam, a lot has changed in 24 hours when I talk to you on Fox and Friends. And it looks like the president is hit back. The Apache almost was taken out. The Apache was, the pilots were almost killed.
For some reason, it looks like the drone did not go off. But it was putting the chopper on fire.
So they ditched it and they treaded water for an hour before a get this. And on, you know, uh a on-surface drone pick them up. Uh almost like a Waymo on the water.
So it picked them up and brought them back. But the president's ticked off and he hit him in five separate places, four separate waves, and then the Iranians just responded and the president's going after him again. What could you tell us, and what would you like to see happen?
Well, first off, let's talk about the two events today that I think are important. And you said it. A drone hit this helicopter. We've never seen that before. We've seen drones hitting land targets that are fixed.
That's common, but how could a drone intercept an aircraft?
So drones now have the ability to target aircrafts. We've never seen that.
So that's there's a real advancement in drone technology, just as we saw the boat that recovered the pilots.
So it indicates where drones are going and how men in the battlefield and aircraft present a real risk.
So that's a key event in this conflict. Number two, as you said, the president striking back again. This is something he's been very patient on. He can decimate Iran. If they're not suffering enough already, they're going to suffer even more if he unleashes all the tools in his kit.
I think he's demonstrated that. And again, I'm not a fan of negotiations. I don't think they're going to go anywhere.
So I'd like him to continue with this campaign. targeting the IRGC and partner with our other allies, be it the Israelis and others, who can go after not only the IRGC, but their surrogates and all their elements of power.
So I think he's on that path. I'm hoping he's going to stay the full course. What do you think? I mean, I know you can make a phone call and find out, but right now we might be attacking. Uh as we speak.
Multiple locations inside Iran. I know we went to school over the last eight weeks, and as they dig out their launchers, they are now targets, those launchers. And we see what they're adjusting. But we understand they're also transporting military equipment back and forth through Pakistan.
So they've been trying to arm up again, Admiral. Who made the most of their ceasefire time?
Well, that's to be seen yet. But yes, they were each side prepared for this. And I believe we're much better prepared than they are. And the real indicators is you're seeing more and more protests in Iran, more happening in Iran.
So the pressure on the government in Iran is just overwhelming. And the more we strike, the more that's going to build.
So I don't think Iran's, they've been able to reposition some assets, maybe some supplies, but I think at the end of the day, we have overwhelming force. And again, we haven't brought the whole force to bear on this thing.
So I think at the end of the day, the president's in a strong position. And I think this gives him the ability to increase pressure on the regime and send signals to the Iranian people that we're committed to an end state without a government that's going to threaten its regions and the other countries in the regions and us.
So it looks like the Iranians are claiming we hit their a water facility, but we said we hit the radar. We've hit radar, different areas of their radar. We want to begin to blind them. Radar facilities. The Iranians said that we hit two water reservoirs.
So we'll see what happens, because they're already running out of water.
Well, you're exactly right. Both of those are critical targets, and the president can go down both those lines, continue hitting all the military targets, but also hit all the targets that continue to strangulate the people that will force them to come to the streets.
So those are both components. I don't know which strategy they're doing. And you can't believe anything the Iranians have said. That's been standard for many years.
So in both of those cases, if you hit water reservoirs, if you hit lines of roads that further isolate and make it difficult for the people of Iran, much less the regime, to take pay their forces, feed their people, that's going to force this thing to turn internally, which is really the end state we'd all like to see. If internal change is driven by the Iranian people because they can't survive with this regime, that's just as satisfactory and less impact to the other Gulf nations. Much less our forces in the region.
So I think both of those are sound strategies. Admiral, the big difference right now is we're attacking them and the internet's up.
So, do you think the people of Iran can communicate with each other and maybe coordinate? You mentioned protests over the weekend. I did see some stuff on X. How prevalent were they? I don't have the details.
I've seen a lot. I'm hearing from my Iranian friends in the country who are very anxious to see this played out on their behalf.
So again, I think these are indicators of how bad it is in Iran and the real opportunity to drive enduring change in the country. And get rid of these guys who have been murdering their people, but more importantly, failing them as a country. While you've got Hezbollah, Hamas, ready to go to arms, all the money that took that was not directed at building the countries, putting in adequate water systems, putting in energy sources. And if we continue to attribute that, that will only accelerate that threat internally to the government.
So again, I support both of those strategies to be applied simultaneously.
So, what else would you hit if they said we got to come up with targets? Because I guess a good day is 400 targets a day. What felt undone for you eight weeks ago? The personnel of the IRGC, I would identify every one of them, leadership down to the most tactical level. I would target their interests.
So you have the military, you have the infrastructure, but let's go after the guys who are in charge, not only kinetically, but as you said, with the internet, identifying everyone, put out where they live, offer bounties on them. Let's just crank up the pressure on the guys who have been murdering their countries and holding this country hostage for 47 years.
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So the other thing I want to get you, because I never really talked to you about this, is Ukraine. I was really struck. I was really struck by how much progress has been made through drone technology and their willingness to fight, and the Russians seem unprepared. Uh Keeve has picked uh has grabbed back. two hundred and thirty square miles so far this year.
So this was the year that people thought Kyiv would fall. Instead, it's Moscow that's getting hit by Ukrainian rockets that they're making themselves, St. Petersburg and other areas. This is a remarkable turn of events, isn't it? Right, it's again another indicator of how innovative the Ukrainians have been, how their industry has accelerated their pace in developing and using drones.
Look, we have these. $20 billion aircraft carriers with F-35s that can strike, but they're using thousands of drones, masses of drone at tactical and operational levels to hold off Russia. And Ukraine has basically no air power, so they're able to fend off one of the great superpowers because of these tactical, kinetic, and mass use of drones and now expanding that into their operational, which is farther reach, more strategic targets throughout.
So it really indicates to you how powerful drone warfare is going to be and hopefully not just to win wars, but hopefully to deter wars. And we're no different. Would you rather have a bunch of F-35s right now or would you rather have 3,000 tomahawks and 5,000 drones to target all of Iran simultaneously?
So it just shows this warfare is changing and both Ukraine and Iran have demonstrated to evolve. The question is, how quickly can we evolve to match those capacities and capabilities with our defense industry? Admiral Robert Harwood's with us now. He grew up in Iran, really has a sense of what's going on there. Would you give or uh Ukraine the license to build their own patriots.
Because that's what they need. We only have so many. And they said, if you give us a license, we could build them on our own. Would you do that?
Well, again, I would support that. And I think they may be able, as they did with their drones, to do it cheaper and faster than we have.
So that's another aspect of this. If we leverage all the technical capability of Ukraine and others with these weapons systems, they'll be just as innovative and maybe improve the models we have now.
So with our partners, where we support each other's defense industries, we build technology that's better, quicker, we all benefit from that. Admiral, thanks so much. Truly appreciate it. This is a very fluid time, and I think with the intensity of the bombing indications that I got from people close to the White House, it's going to happen throughout the day today. Unless something unforeseen happens.
And at one point, if we're going to go back, we're going to call one eight hundred Israel and go back to co-managing this war. And now Uh I would not want to be in Iran today. That makes two of us. But I tell you, those 75 million Iranians who want this regime, they're on their roofs cheering for every strike and hit they see. And that's what I'm hearing from my friends in Iran.
Excellent, who now have the Internet? Vice Admiral Robert Harwood, thanks so much.
