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That doesn't get you anything but dead. ISIS Is a terrorist group that was kicked out by al-Qaeda because they're too crazy for al-Qaeda. Senator Lindsey Graham understands the war on terror and understands we can't take our eye off the ball, and I think the West has. Jonathan Greenblatt joins us now, CEO and National Director of the ADL and a great friend of the show. Jonathan, I just thought that would be a good sound bite to open up with because I think it echoes your thoughts.
Yes, look, Brian, I think we are all devastated in mourning the fifteen people who were gunned down in cold blood. in the largest massacre that's ever taken place in Australia, certainly of Jewish people. Dozens more were injured. And this didn't happen in a vacuum. This didn't happen by chance.
This attack was planned in cold blood. By ISIS-inspired extremists. They gunned down an 87-year-old Holocaust survivor, grandparents. They gunned down a rabbi, a father of five with a three-month-old baby. They gunned down a 10-year-old girl.
The only The only crime these people committed was wanting to celebrate Hanukkah. was being Jewish. And the idea that your faith Somehow makes you a target, that it somehow allows people to subject you to the most horrific. Slaughter and violence is inexcusable in any democracy. Australia, America anywhere in this world.
What do you think is happening now? I mean, do you think this was going to happen October 7th or no October 7th? Do you think there's it seems so well worked? Their reaction seems so well organized, misplaced, obviously. Instead of saying, Israel, our heart goes out to you, lost 1,200 people and countless soldiers, and retaliation is inevitable, they're protesting against you.
before the first incursion into Gaza. It just seems too organized to be random. What have you found out, Jonathan? It is not random at all.
So anti-Semitism, whether it's couched as anti-Zionism or anti-Judaism or whatnot, hatred of Jewish people has been intensifying for years. The ADL has been tracking the data domestically and globally. In Australia since ten seven percent, it's over the last two plus years, it's up almost five hundred percent. And here in America, in five of the last six years, we've broken new records. Think about this.
Brian, we used to have roughly 900 or so acts of anti-Semitism a year. things that we could measure and track. Yeah. Per nine Okay. it's up more than one thousand percent.
And so yes, there's a reason why groups like Students and Just Justice in Palestine We're pushing out organizing toolkits and talking points on October the 8th. I don't know if they knew what was going to happen on the seventh, and I'm not saying that, but I am saying they absolutely positively have been intensifying the rhetoric. They have been escalating their acts, and they have been coordinating the kind of actions we've seen all over America. Look, I'm here in New York. Ryan.
And just a few weeks ago in front of the Parkey Synagogue, As Jewish people were walking into the building, all right, you had protesters screaming, swearing at them, spitting on them, threatening violence and saying out loud, we are going to make you afraid. And then two weeks later, the same thing happened in Los Angeles. at Wilshire Boulevard Temple. And by the way, the people who committed that act at Wilshire Blovart Temple, they were affiliated with the same left-wing radical group. VI cra yesterday, and they announced the arrest of four people, four or five people, who are allegedly committing a terror plot set for New Year's Eve.
They were from the Turtle Island Liberation Front. And those people had ties to the activists, quote unquote, who defiled and vandalized the synagogue just two weeks earlier.
So and we know that group was just arrest they had four of them arrested in the Bojave Desert, and they had a January 1st plot plan. In Los Angeles and Orange County. That's correct. And these are the same people who are screaming about globalizing the intifada. These are same people who are making wild claims against Israel, against Jews, against America.
I mean, Turtle Island is the term that they use to refer to the United States. It's just absurd and it's dangerous. And here, I think what we see, Brian, and what all your listeners need to know is words have consequences. And so the failure to call out extremism, the failure to push back on anti-Semitism, it doesn't It's not free. It has a cost.
And the cost is the normalization of hate. It's the mainstreaming of extremism. And that's what happened in Bondi Beach this past weekend.
So what was amazing too is the hostage stories when they were saying that the Hamas was absolutely in contact with those college protesters, praising each other on a regular basis, with the direct Iran was praising the protesters. Uh do is there in a bit of investigation into this? Yeah. I mean, look, we are the ADL. We are suing the Islamic Republic of Iran for the role they played on october seventh.
We're representing more than two hundred Americans who are either who are affected by the october seventh massacre. Either they are the families of people who were killed, Or kidnapped or wounded, or all of the above. And the fact of the matter is that we know, we know that the Islamic Republic of Iran helped to train, helped to finance, and provided munitions to Hamas. And look, even in Australia, Brian, Prime Minister Albanese, with intelligence provided by the government of Israel, called out the fact that the Iranians. were responsible for two prior terror attacks, the firebombing of a synagogue in Melbourne just over a year ago, as well as an attack on a kosher restaurant.
Literally, the Prime Minister of Australia expelled the Iranian ambassador from his country, the first time that has happened since World War II, because the Iranians and the IRGC were involved in trying to commit terror attacks.
So yeah, there are definitely links. And yeah, they are not just problematic, they are downright terrorist. Every day, America's first responders stand ready: firefighters, law enforcement, paramedics, doctors, dispatchers, and people who put themselves on the line for public safety. But keeping them connected in moments of crisis has not been easy. That's why Congress authorized a nationwide network for public safety.
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So I want you to hear the Prime Minister yesterday cut two. It would appear that there is evidence that this was inspired by a terrorist organisation by ISIS.
Now some of the evidence which is being procured including the presence of Islamic State flags in the vehicle that has been seized. are a part of that. Radical perversion, of uh Islam is absolutely a problem. It is something that has been identified globally as a problem as well. ISIS is created by an evil ideology that has been called out not just by the Australian Government but globally as well.
So I mean saying the right things, do you think he changes anything fundamentally? The truth is, is that Prime Minister Albanese has been weak on dealing with anti Semitism, Brian, for a long time. The Australian Jewish community, ADL and others have been calling this out for a long time. And of course, I don't think it's a big leap of faith to say that ISIS, like Al-Qaeda, like Hamas, like Hezbollah, like the Muslim Brotherhood. These are radical extremist organizations.
They do pervert the religion. I mean, it's notable that the guy who wrestled down the attacker or one of the attackers was a Muslim himself. Obviously, all Muslims aren't culpable, but the reality is that these extremist organizations need to be addressed head on. Look, we're doing this here at home. I mean, I gotta say, Brian, you know, the ADL, I don't think we can afford to sit still.
We're working with communities across the country to help them secure their Hanukkah celebrations right now because Jewish people are afraid. They're afraid to go out and light the menorah in America. It's inexcusable.
So we're coordinating with other NGOs. We're working with law enforcement. We're making sure the right security precautions are in place. But again, being Jewish shouldn't put a target on your back. And we need to do a better job of pushing back on these extremists once and for all.
All right.
So Ante, you talked about that hero that stepped up.
So evidently in 2006, he went to Australia so happy to get out of war-torn Syria. He was selling fruit in the area. The Hanukkah parishioners were coming by. He was selling them stuff. And then when the fighting took place, he decides to sneak up and get on the guy's peripheral on the side.
And he takes the rifle away and then takes five shots, including one in the shoulder blade. He's recovering now in the hospital. I want you to hear from his cousin, Cut Six. We hope he will be fine. He's a hero.
100% he's a hero because what we see on the on the on the social media he's like he's 100% hero.
So, no doubt about it. That's amazing. Right? And doesn't that show anyone who wants to broad swipe against all Muslims? You're wrong.
That's not the case. Totally wrong. Yeah. I mean, look, the reality is that there are plenty of Muslims who want to push back on ISIS, push back on Muslim Brotherhood. By the way, Muslim Brother has been banned in Saudi Arabia, banned in UAE, banned in other countries because they know that radicalism and extremism is dangerous.
But we still must recognize the danger from those fundamentalists. And again, whether they're from Tehran or whether they're from Doha or whether they're from Istanbul, we need to push back. And I would encourage more of that to happen. And look, in the meantime, my message to Jewish people, Brian, is not to be afraid. I actually think this may sound counterintuitive, but the best response to anti-Jewish hate is to be more Jewish, to dance, to celebrate, to sing, to worship, and to be proud, not to allow the extremists and the haters to intimidate and terrorize us.
So, Chuck Schumer, the highest-ranking Jewish American, maybe ever. Had this to say yesterday, and excuse me, on Sunday, after it became clear what happened in Australia, Cut 7. And of course, I'm going to say a few words about the terrible shooting in Sydney, Australia.
Okay?
So, and first, of course, as I always say, no matter what, go bills. They beat the Patriots today, it's a big deal. I mean, can you say something more inappropriate? I I mean, I I don't know. Yeah.
Look, it's unfortunate. I mean, the leader It's hard for me to really respond to that. I think at best it was ill-timed. I mean, the reality is that we got to focus on the real issues here. But he's got power.
I'm talking to Jonathan Greenbottle now, who's powerful CEO and national director of the Anti-Defamation League. But he's got power. He should be standing up now. And he'd have a lot of people where this was, he wants to show leadership and keep his job. One way to show leadership and keep your job is to be aggressive against anti-Semitism.
You wrote a book about it. Why is he embarrassed about it? Yeah. I mean, look, I really want to praise John Fetterman here. I think Senator Fetterman has been extraordinary in pushing back on the extremism within his own party.
He's really Richie Torres here from New York, again, been extraordinary in standing up against bigots in his own party. We need that on the left. We need him, frankly, from some on the right. We speak like Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, you just had on in the intro, has been an amazing voice against anti-Semitism.
So we need more leadership from people and even in unexpected places and in places you would expect, like again, like the leader's office. Right. I want you, another guy standing up too is Ben Shapiro. Here he is, CUP 14. This has become a regular feature of Western life attacks On people who are non-Muslim on the basis of their religion.
This has become an unfortunate. Recurrent feature. of Western life. Because largely of the importation of radical Muslims and people who are then radicalized into the West. And I think The West is getting a wake-up call.
Maybe too late. I think we certainly Donald Trump didn't need it, and he's putting that into play. He says right now, I'm going to hold off on all third world country immigrants because I have to find out who's coming in here. Look, I get it. I mean, we all want safe borders.
We all want strong borders. We want safe policy. We want to make sure that people who come to America love America or want to get to know and learn and love America. You know, at the same time, like you mentioned, that Syrian immigrant is the one who stopped killing or boarded even more killing in Australia. And my parents were refugees.
My grandparents are refugees.
So I do think there's a need for sensible immigration policies to make sure that the people who come to America want to be a part of this country, want to learn the laws, learn the customs, learn the language. That all matters. And there's no reason to welcome extremists. I hear you. Jonathan Greenbud, thanks so much.
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