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The threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad, but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders. You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders.
That was a traitorous statement. That was a horrible thing to do. I believe they broke the law very strongly. I think it's a very serious violation of the law. I know Todd Blanche seems to be looking into it.
Your assistant deputy or your assistant.
Well, I think Pete Hexeth is looking into it, too. I know they're looking into it militarily. I don't know for a fact, but I think the military is looking into it, the military courts.
So, the President of the United States, a short time ago, you're going to hear the whole interview next hour. Griff Jenkins with us now. Griff, that tape, I was stunned by it. I always thought I was actually let down. Because if you told me the view Okay, we're talking about they should disobey orders.
I go, all right. The squad had a press conference and say, I'm calling on the military to disobey orders.
So, extremists, you know. But when you have Mark Kelly and Jason Crowe, who's Green Beret, I think Green Brave. Army Ranger. Army Ranger, okay, my bad. And then to Elislock and CIA, and then a few other military veterans.
That was the last bastion of non-political action you thought that you had, unless you're running against somebody. But just to go ahead and do a tape unsolicited and give a message to a million men and women serving, you can disobey what you perceive to be unlawful orders. You know, so first of all, congratulations on an amazing interview with President Trump. That's great stuff, and can't wait to hear more of it throughout the show. But I'm so glad you raised this because I feel very strongly about making the observation that a guy like Jason Crowe, who was an Army Ranger, served in the 82nd Airborne when we were invading Iraq.
And I was there with Colonel Ollie North in those years during the invasion of 2003, 4, 5, 6, 7, and on. And Jason Crowe could not cite a specific example of what Trump order is illegal that he was talking about in that video with Martha McCallum. And that matters because during when he was an Army Ranger, getting the bronze star. In Iraq, serving over there. From the time the war started in 2003 to 4, 5, 6, 7, we had to take Ramadi, had to take Fallujah.
You had the rules of engagement, the ROE were changing. I was out with Marine units in Fallujah in 2006 when we literally were out with eyes on enemy combatants, and yet a lawyer in the Pentagon at one in the morning said, No, you can't call an airstrike. It's near civilian areas. And we had in the talk and in the area where the commanders were making decisions whether to bring in an airstrike or not, they were really struggling and grappling with whether or not the rule of engagement would be in defiance of law and the way the ROE was changing.
So my point is that Jason Crow knows more than anybody and should really be ashamed of the fact that you're going to place this doubt, this second guessing in a military commander out there now carrying things out. He well knew. Knows what kind of impact a video like that would have. And I think that that's something that people should lean in on because putting doubt in a mid-level, a major out there, a lieutenant colonel out there, making major decisions, that is not what we're doing. You know whose idea it was?
Alyssa Slackin. CIA. CIA. But I want you to hear a little bit more of the exchange because he did come out and say treason punishable by death. And when it's he put death threats on lawmakers, listen.
Well, if you look at sedition, if you look at uh you know that type of that's a form of A very strong form of being a traitor. It's a terrible thing to say. I must tell you, I heard it. And I thought it was some kind of a comedy situation. I thought they were k you know, it was some kind of a skit.
And Because I couldn't believe that they'd say it. And I watched Democrat congressman and one Democrat senator yesterday on one of the shows. Uh Didn't they want to discuss it? They said, Whoa, don't get me into that one. They don't want to get into that is a really serious charge.
I I'll tell you what, what they said is and it was I mean, I don't know about the modern day things because you know modern day is a lot softer, but in the old days, if you said a thing like that, that was punishable by death. Yeah, but you're not saying you're not threatening them. A lot of people are interpreting there's a threat in their security. I'm not threatening them, but I think they're in serious trouble. I would say they're in serious trouble.
Yeah, exactly the point. They're in trouble. But when you talk about sedition, you talk about traitor, the uniform code of military justice is very different than our legal courts that we think of. And so if there is a commander that's now felt some second guessing that doesn't carry something out under Secretary of War Heg Seth's department, you know, you could have a commander in the middle of his career that will be absolutely derailed because of that second doubt. I'm in.
I'm at the airport in Kabul. And I'm told, don't go outside the wire and go save people that have helped you or Americans that are living in Afghanistan because the whole thing's falling apart. Do I break the rules, go under the wire and go save people? Or do I say, if I follow this rule, if I go if I go and invade, if I pull out of Afghanistan right now, this whole thing's going to collapse. My unit's not going anywhere.
Or General Milley, here's how ridiculous the order is to evacuate and how few troops are going to be left. Instead of putting his four stars down and go, I can't do this, Now he says, I'm going to do it because I'm not the president.
So there are so many questions you just put in everybody's mind. And the last thing you want is doubt in the battlefield.
So you want some doubt as someone drone operator is taking out a drug ship or drug boat leaving Venezuela.
Well, I don't want to do this. I don't really know if I feel right about this. That's what he wants.
So listen to Jon Kiracow, former CIA guy, cut fourteen. This is right out of the CIA playbook. This is exactly what we were trained to do in those years that we were getting ready to go into the field. You're trained to destabilize. You're trained to make people distrust each other.
And here it is playing out on Capitol Hill. How ironic is it that when I blew the whistle on the CIA's illegal torture program, it was the Democrats who put me in prison? And now they want people to stand up because this president is the threat to democracy? Please, the hypocrisy just makes me shake my head. And Slotkin was one who came up with this, and she's the CIA.
That's what he was building on. Yeah, he's basically accusing her of a psyops operation, which CIA does. But you know, to your point, it's so important about the sowing of doubt. The most fundamental basic Place, the military takes young men and women and turns them into trigger pullers and teaches them that when they have an order to carry out and execute the mission, remember, complete the mission, Charlie Mike, they will pull the trigger or carry out whatever mission that is without a second doubt. And this is striking right at that foundation.
It's the building block of the strength of our military. And, you know, Slotkin clearly doesn't seem to either recognize that or care.
So I was stunned by that. I mean, we're getting a lot of traction. I don't know if this is what they wanted. Maybe they felt as though the socialists and Bernie Sanders and AOC are getting all the publicity. The so-called.
Centered, and I don't think they're any more centered. Mark Kelly, I thought, I always think he's an astronaut, military guy. He's a guy who's going to be reasonable. He's not. He's just as.
Politically oriented as anyone.
So now you can't even think to yourself: well, if you have that military in the background, you'll move to the middle. I don't think you can count on anything like that.
Well, and also, you know. To your point about aside from sowing doubt in military members now about carrying out orders, it is intended. It kind of reminds me a little bit, and I think this is a fair analogy. Remember when 50-plus former Intel officers signed on to the Russia propaganda letter, of course, the Russia hoax, which turned out they knew it wasn't true, right? But it accomplished its mission, which was to sow doubt in the American people.
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One of the parts that seems to give me a little bit of causalism. Yeah, sure. Ukraine can be assured that Russia won't simply resume the war at a later date. Ukraine's sovereignty will be confirmed. That's the goal.
A comprehensive non-aggression pact between the nations. That really went well with Stalin and Hitler. And by the way, I thought we had non-aggression in 94. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries and NATO will not expand any further. A dialogue will be held between NATO and Russia, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security.
Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees. Keep in mind, outside certain people, There's only one aggressive nation in the area. NATO is a defensive organization. Nobody wants any region of Russia. It is Russia that's causing all this, but I digress.
Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees. Without international troops, there's none that would satisfy me. The size of the Ukrainian armed forces, get this, has to not be limited to 600,000. How dare you? You know Ukraine is not a threat to you.
Right.
So you know they're not going to invade you. They don't aim at civilian targets. You do. But you want to make sure that the country you're going to reinvade when Trump's gone is down to 600,000. The Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO.
That's a big one. All right. And NATO, I don't think it's... I don't, you know, that's weird, but I would accept it. Because NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.
That's a problem. Because nothing stops Russia since 1994, the invasion in 2014 and 2008, they just keep trying to take more land. Uh European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland. The US guarantees will receive compensation for the guarantee. The US will see, I guess.
If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose its guarantee. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to decisive coordinated military response, old global sanctions will be reinstated. But we'll see who the President is then. Russia will be reintegrated into global community. A powerful global package of to rebuild Ukraine, I think that'll happen.
Ukraine is eligible for EU membership. That's great. That's an economic relationship. But I feel like 90% of this is what Russia wants. They were also getting the rest of the Donbass region, which they haven't won.
Well, the land seeding is a big one. And we've never really seen Zelensky willing to go anywhere near that.
So that's a sticking point. I do think NATO is a sticking point, too, because remember, if you go back, as you mentioned, 94, and it's a great place to start, which is when Ukraine agreed to give up their nuclear weapons, Putin said, Cool, great. Let's write it out. I'll go in later.
So now there are sticking points in here, like agreeing to never join NATO, which is the last thing Putin wants.
So you should perhaps encourage it if you're on the side of Ukraine. And the land seed, Putin just says, great, I'll sign on. Let's do this. We'll stop the war. Trump leaves office.
We'll see who comes next. Then I'm coming back and I'll accomplish the mission. It's ridiculous. It's a long view. Russian speakers are in Ukraine.
They're not happy with this government. That's what they did last time. We don't buy it. You don't buy it. But Russia uses that to tell their people and to give themselves an excuse to take more land, and they got to transition their economy.
They are a backwards nation that has now shifted to a war economy. My fear is they have nothing to do if they're not making weapons.
So now all those factories have been converted. All these people are making money there. That money stops when there's no reason to fight a war. And they usually, when the people come back, they usually overthrow their government.
So that's what Vladimir Putin's not looking forward to. I want you to hear what the President said about it. But you know that if you don't stop him in Ukraine, he's going to have problems. They're going to be another, the Baltics are going to be in trouble. No, they'll be stopped.
He's not looking for more war. Look, he's taking punishment. Say what you want. I mean, this was supposed to be a one-day war that ended four years now, okay? But in all fairness, We gave them the best military equip.
We make the best equipment in the world. We gave We gave Ukraine the best military equipment anywhere in the world. Nobody makes, and we gave them a lot of it. But Somebody had to use that equipment and say what you want. They were very brave.
Yeah. It's true. I think that President Trump has embraced his peacemaker title. And that's whether he all planned that or not, here we are. And so it'll be interesting to see because the relationship between Trump and Zelensky has had so many different chapters.
Zelensky's planning right now. What Zielensky says, let me look. He doesn't say anything bad. No. I'm going to take a look at it.
I'm really going to work hard on this. And the word is, and I try to get the President to say it: is it true next Thursday is your deadline? Because evidently that's what they said. But here's the thing. I want those sanctions to go into plague.
You know what the sanctions go in today? Rosened and Luka Oil? Luke Oil?
So they're the ones who spend the major sell the majority of the oil to India.
So India knows it's over.
So these guys, it's going to be widely sanctioned.
So they're about to pay the price. Then, of course, they contact Witkoff and they start negotiating again. I just hope people like this administration has their eyes wide open. Yeah. And look, the sanctions can't come fast enough to start to reset that.
And the other piece of that is whether or not these security guarantees, if a deal is struck for Ukraine, they're not going to join NATO. They're going to get these enhanced security agreements. Can that not only protect Ukraine from further Russian aggression in the near term, but can it open up the actual trade aspect for which that's why he thinks he's going to get peace in the Middle East through trade, not war? And he's applying the same principle here. But unless those security guarantees are there, are EU countries going to trade with Ukraine?
Yeah, I hear you. Plus, their innovation, we need their rare earth, and we need their. technology when it comes to drones. Right away.
So there could be some long-term aspects there. All right, Griff, thanks so much. Anybody else you want to plug for this weekend? Yeah, Maria Carina Machado, the Venezuelan opposition leader. I think we are at a really critical point here as we watch this giant carrier strike group spinning off there.
What's the end game? What is she planning to do? If there is, should Maduro be threatened and people around him start to walk away? What's her plan? What's happening?
That's on Fox and Friends this weekend. Yeah, who's got the army? That's the key. You could have the best political argument, but whoever's got the guns seems to matter. Griff, thanks so much.
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