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Save up to 40% your first year at lifelock.com slash podcast. Terms apply. It's just so disingenuous on their part. Uh, they'll go to a Kansas city chief game.
Uh, they'll go to a golden state warrior game or watch it on TV. And uh, basically they're picking on our county because our county is a county that cherishes our native American heritage. We love American values and we respect our native Americans.
That's why we call our teams chiefs and warriors. And uh, again, I was made an honorary chief by Carrie Wachter in the Massapequa school board and I take that honor very seriously. And he was wearing a jacket and that is Nassau County executive in New York.
Uh, Bruce Blakeman and Bruce is not only Nassau County, it's, it's one of his, I think it's as big as 15 states if you just take the population and the land mass on Long Island. So as we go national around the country, this is a national story. I mean, for the longest time we would heard about the Redskins and Washington had to get rid of the Redskins. It was so insulting. Yeah. A bunch of white people sitting around saying the Redskins is insulting.
Yeah. They had a handful of tribes that began to step up and not really forward. And now more pushing back saying it's not an insult in the native American community in which I'm not a part of. But I'm from Massapequa, which is named after the Indian tribe that inhabited the area 400 years ago. And the chiefs is saluting that tribe. And Wontaw, which is a state right by was the name of the Wontaw Indians or a form of Wontaw Indians and American Indians and their name is the warriors. They got to change it. And New York state came down with a mandate.
If you're in New York, put millions of dollars aside and change the branding on your school that's been around for 60, 70 years and out of respect for the native American community. Was it really respectful? When are we going to hear from them? That brings to me my next guest. His name is Frank Black Cloud.
He's vice president of the Native American Gardens Guardians Association and he's a tribally enrolled member of the Spirit Lake tribe in North Dakota. Frank, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for having me, Brian.
How are you today? Hey, Frank, do you find it insulting that my town, like so many other towns, are pushing back to hold on to the name chiefs and braves and and warriors? Is that is that insulting to you?
No, the opposite of that. The people that are trying to take it away is an insulting part of this whole situation. You've got a bunch of people that don't understand our history. They don't understand our culture. You know, Naga's mission is to educate, not eradicate. And none of them want to listen to us.
Time and time again, Brian, there's been survey after survey. I've been involved in this fight for over 20 years. Naga has been started, I think, 11 years ago. And we go out there, we're a grassroots organization, a 501C nonprofit, and we take money out of our own pockets to go and visit with people and educate them on the importance of American Indian history because American Indian history is American history. I heard I was talking to Eunice, who's with your group, and she was saying that even indigenous people is an insult, correct?
Yes, it is. Well, when you think about it, even Native American is sort of an insult. We are American Indians, OK? I am a Dakota Sioux, Minnewakan Oyate, which means people of the spirit water. That is my tribe.
If you want to go down to the basics, I'm also a cut head so you can break these things down to the bare minimum of who we actually are. But if you want to consider somebody born within the Americas as a Native American, that dilutes who we are. So we are all actually American Indians, and that's who we stand for. And the schools that represent us, they do it in an honorable way.
We haven't seen anything really. There's been a few issues, of course, but for the most part, everything has been honorable. They stand up for us. They try to, like the gentleman said in that interview you had the other day, I listened to that on the way to work. Yes, he touched on every point exactly.
It's like he was speaking through me. So we really want to help these people to keep those names and try to educate those that don't know. And I tell you what, it's the dems that do this. And they're on the wrong side of history with us.
This is one of those 90-10 issues that we're always looking at where 90 percent support it, but the 10 percent gets all the noise. Frank, they want to look out for you by taking the Chiefs off and putting something innocuous like Sparks or Tigers. And guess what? After a few years, people are going to not even know what Massapequa stands for. Soon they're going to say, hey, I don't like that name because it's the name of an Indian tribe. And they're going to make them change the name.
I mean, where does it stop? Exactly. They want to erase us from history, Brian. And that's what we're trying to stop. You know, I think the total end result of this whole thing is if they take away every image, you know, because we're on the forefront right now. People want to be us. They want to emulate us. We're a warrior society and people want to be that because we're winners. You know, we may have lost the Indian war, but you know what?
We're still here. And, you know, we are a voice for and it's about time people started to listen to us. Naga has been trying to do that for years now to get our word out there that these names are not derogatory. They're not hostile. They're supportive. And they actually talk about the true history of Native Americans.
So I saw like some of the communities that don't have the money to fight this, like Wine Danches, a working class area. They were the warriors and they had to change to Thunderbirds. Massapequa and Wonta, they're not giving up. But in 2023, the Board of Regents controls the schools there. Took the when Massapequa asked, can we have an exemption?
Just leave the name alone. They said no. And they mandated that they spend thousands of dollars to get rid of all Native American.
Their words, not yours. Native American names and energy from the New York public schools. And if you just think about how our schools are struggling, especially after the pandemic, you would think they'd put it to extra help. You would think they would give us an extra get some tutors for kids to start closing the gap in math and math and English. But instead, they're trying to get the Indian headdress off.
Thank you. There are so many more important things that this money can be spent on besides trying to take away something that is honorable. You know, you can improve the education system, but don't take away the names. These are what people they relate to. They identify with this. You know, they want to be the warrior. They want to be the chief.
They want to be us. I mean, what's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with that. You know, it just seems so idiotic. This world is upside down and backwards right now. And I don't approve of it whatsoever. What I do approve of is people and sports teams, anybody that wants to sit there and talk about our legacy, talk about our ancestors and honor us. You know, do not erase us.
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See cyber details. You know, you got guys like the Balding brothers all play the NFL. You got Richie and Brian and Gary.
They're standing up. Seinfeld's from the same town over in Massapequa. All the Baldwins are from Massapequa. We all got through it back. Baldwin's father was a teacher there.
Great teacher. There's a huge pushback on this. And there's really no effort to hear your side. I mean, have they reached out to you or have you reached out to them to say, hey, we're not insulted, don't speak for me? Oh, yes, we've reached out many, many times, but they just silence us.
Like I said, over 20 years I've been involved in this. And every time we reach out to them, they don't give our full side of the story. They give us maybe one sentence out of a whole paragraph. And it doesn't tell our side of the story whatsoever. Matter of fact, we even started helping the Italians to save Columbus Day because that's another misdemeanor about this. They are trying to erase American history. They don't want any part of it. And if it's not a part of their narrative, then it doesn't exist.
You know, so they can't do that. We need to stop them. And, you know, we need people to join NAGA. Help us. Help us join. Our website is nagaeducation.org.
Yeah, and it stands for Native American Guardians Association. In fact, how long have you guys been around? Oh, I believe we started this. We've been around as far as a group doing this since about the early 2000s.
NAGA started, I believe, 2014, 2015. So people have said, well, Brian, I agree with you on chiefs, but you know Redskins racist. You guys don't believe the Redskins racist, right?
Tell me why. We are Redskins, OK? We call each other Redskins.
So how could that be racist if we're calling ourselves that? You know, it's who we identify with. Our skin is red. Our blood is red.
Everybody's blood is red. So we are Redskins. So you would like to see that name go back to? Oh, yes.
Yes, of course. We fought to keep it. Matter of fact, we stood by the Redskins numerous times. We actually went to the games during that time when they were trying to take it away, but they would not allow us in the arena or the football field with our support. They told us we could not bring our signs in, which was you can have all these people protesting it, but they couldn't. They wouldn't allow us to show how we support them, which I thought was ironic.
So, Frank, think about that. Why? Why would that be? Why would they not want the view of an American Indian tribe representing at least eighty five thousand members? Why wouldn't they want your point of view? Because they don't consider us human. They consider us to be gone.
You know, we lost the war, like I said, and they don't want us around. But they're posing it just, Frank, that you understand they're posing it as totally different. They're posing it as out of respect for you. Stop mocking their their history with chiefs, braves and warriors.
As I said, it's totally upside down backwards if they would listen to us like we've been speaking for decades. We love these images. We love the history behind it. It's our history. It's our culture. And people are praising us with those names and logos.
You know, major league sports teams, Atlanta Braves, Redskins. You name it. Chief Wahoo. Heck, we love that guy. You know, there's all kinds of things out there that some may think is bad.
And it's a very minute. I would say close to ninety nine percent of American Indians support these images. And we say 90 just to give them that little bit of a leeway. But guarantee you at least nine out of 10 American Indians support this stuff. So why won't they listen to us? I don't know.
I don't know. We don't fit their narrative. And plus, they get money from the side that like George Soros backed people. We don't have any money. We're grassroots. So we don't have that type of resource to get our name out there. And so we do what we can with what little resources that we have. But we try to reach as many people as possible.
Now, we have a local affiliate, WABC here in New York, powerful 50,000 watt station here. And that that's who's listening to you right now. So what would you say to those schools that have the wherewithal to fight it? Keep fighting.
Keep fighting. If you need us, give us a call. Reach out to us on our Web site. Our phone number. Do you want to give us a call to get more information there?
Seven or one two seven zero zero one seven seven. Reach out to us. We'll do everything we can to come out and help you fight these people. We need to bring some civility back to this country and make sure that we are not erased because, like I said, American Indian history is American history. And, Frank, people right now look at the American Indians and think, casino.
Yes, casino. Well, casinos aren't really a bad casino, but you know that we are we're trying to do the best we can with what we have, trying to reach as many people as we possibly can. You know, we're a humble society, too. We do everything we can within our reaches.
So if somebody needs our help, we will do everything we possibly can. He's from the Spirit Lake Tribe over in North Dakota. He's vice president of the Native American Guardian Association, NAGA. Frank Black Cloud, thanks so much. And I know people who are fighting to keep that name and that legacy really appreciate your support. Thank you, Brian. I'm a big fan of yours, too, buddy. I watch you every morning.
And when Guttville has you on, I have your back. That's what I need. Frank, thanks so much. And everyone in Massapequa and Wonta, my town, certainly appreciate it. Thanks so much. Thank you for your time. Listen to the show ad-free on Fox News Podcast Plus, on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music with your Prime membership, or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
