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Our phone number is 855-212-4227. Nearly two years to the day that the Broncos acquired Russell Wilson, Russ and Denver going separate ways. Now, according to Russ, who spoke just last week to the I Am Athlete podcast and Brandon Marshall, his career is far from over. I got more fire than ever, honestly, especially over the past two years of what I've gone through, whether it's in Denver or somewhere else. I hope it's in Denver. I hope I get to finish there.

I committed there. I wanted to be there. I want to be there. For me, it's about winning. Over the next five years, I want to win, too. I want to feel the chill of that trophy again. I love the city and everything else. But you also want to be a place that wants you, too. So the thing that I want to do is win. That's all I care about.

That's all I care about. Although we know it will not be in Denver. We're pleased to welcome our friend Brandon Crystal. Former colleague of ours was with us here at the inception of CBS Sports Radio, is now with KOA Colorado in Denver as a Broncos insider.

I am really intrigued by this. The decision the Broncos made to eat a bunch of money. But exactly how much money are they losing on this Russell Wilson experiment, Brandon? Well, best I can tell, real money is $39 million. That's all that's left from the bonus that was given with the extension. And so even though the extension never kicked in, I think it's only $39 million. And so if a team signs Russ this year, and let's call it Steelers, Falcons, whoever, they can pay on the league minimum, which is $1.2 million.

And then subtract that from $39 million, I guess. And that's what the Broncos are writing a check for to Russ. The dead cat money isn't money that they're paying Russ. It's money that's already paid or throughout the life of the deal that obviously has now ended. But I think in real cash, I believe that's all that's owed to them. And I assume that the second they cut them, they just write in that check, or it probably gets direct deposited, I suppose, and that's about it. I don't believe they owe them any more cash after that. Why is it worth it to the Broncos to take the dead money hit, the money that's going to count against their cap?

Why is it worth it for them to make the move anyway? Last week, I was at the Combine all week long, right? And talked to everybody I could from the Broncos. And of course, I see those people throughout the season, but the conversations are often different. And certainly at the Combine, they're going to let their hair down a little bit more, so to speak.

Right? And so you get these different perspectives, but you come back to they all have varying criticisms of the limited ability for Russ to run the offense the way they wanted to, and would cite different examples of different games, where basically things were left out on the field, right? And as big as that win was over the Chiefs in snapping that losing streak over so many years, they left a lot of points on the field, and the defense needed five turnovers in that game to give them a chance.

But they think that they could have scored, you know, 35 or 40 points. But just that Russ wasn't necessarily executing it the way they wanted, couldn't process it fast enough. And so Sean Payton took a page, I think, out of Pete Carroll and his play-callers' books, as best he could, where his defense was try to run the ball, and then Russ make him plays when we really need him to, because that's when he's at his best. But I think they just couldn't go another season having to hold his hand, if you will, and not open up the entire game plan.

So every, you know, I did this thing, and you can find it on my social media, at BK Denver Sports, where I just asked a single question to any national person I could. You know, Charles Davis, Sean Wilcox, 10-12 people, Albert Breer, but Chris Sims gave me the best answer. He said, you don't have Sean Payton to run the nine plays that they ran. You have Sean Payton to run 9 million plays, and to be as creative as he is as an innovator, and all that, not paraphrasing, but so Chris gave me that great answer, that that's why you have Sean Payton, to unlock the full playbook, and try to fool defenses, not to just try to beat them at something that's pretty straightforward, and hope for the best. Was there any point during this past season, once Payton took over, in which you thought this might actually work?

Well, it certainly seemed shaky from the beginning, right? From the comments that Sean made at the Super Bowl, to me and a couple other reporters last year, when he was making his media rounds on Radio Row, and then he followed him up at the Combine, talking about all the organization allowed Russ to have in his first year, and all of that, but the one thing he said was that if they were winning, then I wouldn't be here, but here we are, right? And so they're like, okay, well he's taking away a lot of the comforts that Russ had in year one, not that they were any benefit. I guess when you look at the win-loss record, they only won five games that first year, and obviously Hackett got fired, but can Russ run all the stuff that Sean wants?

Maybe not, right? Andrew Reeves might be similar in size, who's obviously an installers, but they're at the same kind of player. Drew's been a short pocket passer his whole life, and Russ has been a short user athleticism move around passer, you know, to a very high level, all the same level likely, and so as you watch the season unfold, and it's one and five to start, you're like, well, okay, does Russ even get through the year? But then they actually have that run in the middle, where the defense is playing great. I look at the Cleveland game here in Denver, against a really good Browns team, with a really good defense, where they neutralized Myles Garrett. I understand Cleveland was down the rookie quarterback at that point, and they hadn't found Joe Flacco yet on the field. Joe was sitting on the bench in three clothes, because he'd just gotten there, but you're like, okay, that's a really good win, and they'd beaten a Vikings team with some talent, and through that, maybe it all comes together, and then it obviously, and they beat the Packers too, now that I think about it.

It feels like smoke and mirrors. It had shades of the Tim Tebow 2011 magical run, and you're like, their numbers, especially when you look at how many sacks he's taking, that kind of offsets the touchdown interception ratio. Brandon Kristall is with us from Denver, covers the Broncos for KOA Colorado.

It's after hours here on CBS Sports Radio. It feels so crazy to me that in the span of two years, just nothing, despite all of the thrill and the excitement, and thinking that Russ was the last piece they needed to not just end the playoff drought, but get back to his Super Bowl. Well, and there's so many long-suffering fan bases, right? But the Broncos aren't one of them, and they were lucky enough to get to a Super Bowl in 1977 after some some lean years in the 60s and 70s, but it was trending up, and then they're able to acquire John Elway in 1983, and we know that run, and then a pretty good little run with Jake Plummer. There was excitement around Jake Cutler, didn't last, but then the Tebow year that I mentioned, of course, Peyton Manning in 2015, Peyton Manning rides off into the sunset after that Super Bowl 50 win, and you think, okay, well, they'll at least be competitive, right? And they'll figure out the quarterback. Will it be Brock Osweiler? No. Okay, here's Paxton Lynch.

Well, no, that didn't work. Oh, maybe they'll draft Josh Allen from right of the road. No, they instead grabbed Bradley Chubb. At that point, we were six years here in Denver.

I'm not seeing them in the playoffs, and I can remember exactly what happened because on that day, and it's just a few days from now, but March 8th, which happens to be both Kenny Smith's birthday from TNT as well as my wedding anniversary. And so that morning, the news comes out, Aaron Rodgers is staying in Green Bay, and you think, oh, well, that's kind of the biggest reason that Nathaniel Hackett was brought here. Some people certainly thought that. I wasn't sure because you could, you could feel Nathaniel's personality and how he kind of looked at things differently, but okay, this could work. It's a stark contrast from Dick Fangio. So a few hours later, my wife and I are paying pottery because that's what you do.

Pottery is the eighth wedding anniversary traditional gift, and my phone starts blowing up, and I'm like, well, my day is now different. And you're thinking, wow, Russell Wilson's coming here with Nathaniel Hackett, going to run some of the stuff they ran with Rodgers and sure we'll see some bootleg and this West Coast stuff. It makes all the sense in the world. Okay, you couldn't get Rodgers. You're getting a younger guy who's maybe hungrier or whatever, but certainly with more gas in the tank. And you think pair him with Courtland Sutton and Jerry Judy and some nice pieces on defense, and you think, all right, this could be something. And then we know that it just hasn't worked, but it is crazy because Broncos fans are just thirsting for that quarterback, that cornerstone. And you thought seven-year deal for us makes a lot of sense. And a new deal was part of the trade. He didn't waive his no trade clause to not expect a new contract, and the new owners came in and I think just honored what was part of the trade, right? They don't want their first move to be the franchise quarterback being shut down on a new deal before he even takes a snap.

We understand why they agreed to it, and I think a lot of people would have based on what we saw. Nine Pro Bowls, eight playoff appearances, a couple of Super Bowl appearances, obviously the win Super Bowl 48. But it is crazy to think how quickly, and really if you look at just year one, just how crazy it was from the jump where you're like, well, this isn't really working, going all the way to that loss in Seattle on opening night.

Right, no doubt. You just went through some of their QB history since Peyton Manning. It's a major reason why we've seen changes in the front office, why we've seen coaching changes.

They still do not have a quarterback, so what now? It's funny because I mentioned I talked to all these national media types, analysts, insiders, whatever, and more than one, and it feels like they're getting this from inside the building as well, we're high on Jarrett Stidham, and he started those last two games. He started a handful of games at the end of the season in both New England and in Vegas last year before he got here and started the two games in Denver. I liked Jarrett Stidham the person, and I got to interview him at the Senior Bowl when he's coming out of Auburn, and you're like, okay, he had a nice career at Auburn, obviously started at Baylor. All I heard before I sat down and talked to him was man, those guys intangibles are off the charts, and it reminded me of what I would hear about Mark Sanchez, right? When Mark Sanchez was coming out, you heard if he's in a car with Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart and Matt Castle, these other USC bros, he's the one driving the car, right?

That's who Mark Sanchez is, and we know he maybe just didn't have enough tangibles. And so with Stidham, certainly in the smallest sample size, not sure he has enough tangibles, but Sean Payton thinks that he can run his offense. If they rolled Jarrett Stidham out there on opening day, and it's because he beat Ryan Tannehill out or someone like that, and the rookie QB that's here is a mid-round pick, it's gonna really, I think, anger some Broncos fans who are now longer suffering than they've ever been or than they have been in 55 years with eight straight seasons out of the playoffs.

And so I think that Stidham is at the very best plan. We'll see if they do try to go after a Gardner Minshew or even a Kirk Cousins. I don't think that they will, because of where they are cap-wise, go after somebody much more than that. A reclamation project on Tannehill or maybe a Jacoby Brissette, but I'm not sure Jacoby Brissette excites fans either. If they don't draft a rookie QB that we have to believe that they like, right, and even straightening up just one spot to 11 with the Vikings to go get a guy that they, quote, love, that they can reach, and a lot of people think it'll be J.J. McCarthy if he's there, but if they don't have a rookie quarterback in this class, I think that if they start out slow, even with 90,000 people on the season ticket waiting list, we're gonna start seeing empty seats in the power field at Mile High because they're just so disheartened by the lack of vision, I guess, if you will, or having their young quarterback that they just had really action with John Elway was young in his career. It certainly does feel like it's been one big reclamation project after another and they keep missing, even though they keep trying all kinds of different ways to not just improve the position but find their next franchise guy. You cross your fingers if you're a Broncos fan and if it's not McCarthy, is it Bo Nix, is it Michael Pennix, and you can find, I'm sure, Fulton, all of those top six QBs if not because of the year he had and the excitement, I guess, certainly the start of the year, but that Shader Sanders had right up the road in Boulder, you think, okay, how do you make sure that you've got one of the top picks next year to go out and try to draft Shadoor, but there's no way Sean Payton is gonna be anywhere close to that, right?

You would think that he's still gonna find a way to win five or six games, let alone maybe even seven or eight like he did last year. If they don't love one of these rookie QBs or if they can't get to the one they love, the idea of love the one you're with and if that's Jared Stidham, then it feels like it'll be a miss. So I'll be fascinated to see with the limited money they have who in the veteran quarterback market they go after, because you gotta think Baker Mayfield's going back to Tampa with the Mike Evans. You gotta think there's a way Mike Evans finds that deal if he doesn't know that Baker's definitely part of their plans next year.

Then it goes back to Cousins. You're not trading for Justin Fields. If you're gonna do that, you just keep Russell Wilson, right?

And so I think that it's gonna be really fascinating to see the way they go in the short term and or what are they willing to part with. And so that's why I keep an eye on not just the Jerry Judy trade or even a Courtland Sutton trade, but as much as I think it'll pain folks in Broncos country to see it, if they were to trade Justin Simmons for a second third round pick, if they could get something that's probably more like a third, because he's now north of 30. He's been an all pro. He's led the team in the league in interceptions one year.

And so I think that they need to acquire more assets so they have more ammunition to be able to move up if they need to if there is somebody they love. Brandon Cristal is with us from Denver, the big move by the Broncos. Not a well-kept secret, but Russell Wilson on the way out after just two years.

It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence here on CBS Sports Radio. What else do the Broncos need with their limited draft picks or their limited cap space? They need more help on the defensive line. They like these young linemen that they have that aren't playing, but they have to decide what they're doing. Garrett Bowles, I get the sense he doesn't want to play on his current contract. And if they decide just to cut him to save 16 million or whatever that number is, give or take, well, what's your plan there?

You're going to fire out a developmental kid. So you need a long-term solution that left tackle. The years are locked into Mike McGlinchey, who's a great guy, a captain, and a really good run blocker, and an average pass blocker.

You're locked in with Ben Powers. They've got to figure out center as they let Lloyd Cushinberry go, who had his best year as a pro. And then they can never have enough cornerback help. And if they move on from Simmons, then do they feel good about the young safeties they have?

Perhaps. But they just kind of need depth in those spots. And if they do move on from Judy and Sutton, well, they need more wideout help to go with Marvin Mims Jr., who will be the featured guy returning. And they need tight end help. I think that in the perfect world, if they had the veteran quarterback they liked, they'd love to try to grab Brock Bowers at 12, but they don't have that right now. How would you describe the attitude or the atmosphere, the outlook around the Broncos right now?

I think it depends on who you ask. I think fans are annoyed and disappointed. Sean Payton doesn't feel that because he's only been here for a year.

True. And he just kind of thinks of the idea of the Broncos, right? He's not living and dying with every loss. George Payton, this is the first time and now heading into his fourth year as a GM, where he has the same head coach, right? He had Vix Van Junior one, then he hired Hackett in year two and Sean Payton in year three. So he has felt a little bit more than Sean has, but they don't share those same memories that the fans here do. I think the fans are hopeful that they love one of these young quarterbacks in the draft and can go get them so they can buy the jersey and then obviously that it works out. Because beyond that, I think that to say cautious optimism is probably even too much to characterize the way the fan base is right now here in Broncos country. I think that they know they've got some interesting pieces in certain parts and hopefully Javonte Williams is better in year two off the ACL and they like the kid, Jaleel McLaughlin, and I mentioned Marvin Mims Junior and certainly Patrick Tan Junior for a lot of people's money, the best quarterback in football, even though he played hurt in the last four or five games and just tough it out and it showed, especially in that Patriots game on Christmas Eve. Fans here are at this point conditioned to be disappointed, which is not something that it used to, especially once Pat Bullen bought the team in the early 80s.

But that's where they are and so with the expectations lowered, I suppose, then the only direction to go is up. I also get the sense to mention being at the combine, people around the league have much more faith in Sean Payton than folks here do, but that's because I think they understand the mechanics of the NFL better and what it takes to win and to sustain winning, which is something Sean did where they won a lot of games and had really good offense. It helped having a Hall of Fame quarterback, no question, but that Sean Payton will get it figured out and I'm not sure Bronco fans I think they're just so reluctant to bind anything at this point that they're not ready to jump in with both feet on Sean Payton.

They want to see him prove it to them that he still has that genius in it. Oh, how the perspective and the attitude has changed, although it's been a long eight years since Super Bowl 50. Lots of good content on Brandon's Twitter at BK Denver Sports covering this Broncos drama and Russell Wilson's departure, like he covered Russell Wilson's arrival for KOA Colorado. We're always glad to have him with us here on the show. Brandon, thank you so much.

Thanks Amy, talk to you soon. I didn't like it going back two years ago. I just didn't ever feel that same enthusiasm and excitement. The possibility that Russell Wilson was the missing piece, that's all they needed.

It just felt too easy, quote unquote. I know they gave up a lot to get him for the Seahawks, but Pete Carroll was far too comfortable letting Russell Wilson go. It just it felt like the contract, which I understand Brandon's point. Russ wasn't going to wave his no trade clause to go to a place where he wasn't going to get paid. And so maybe the contract was a foregone conclusion, regardless of when it came. But the money that they gave him and sunk into him, plus the draft capital they gave up to get him, has severely hampered and I would say handicapped the franchise now moving forward for at least a couple more years.

And then the biggest question is what now? Jarrett Stidham competing with Ryan Tannehill. That sounds a lot like the Case Keenum experiment or the Mark Sanchez experiment or name any one of the quarterbacks they've tried.

At this point, it feels like Drew Locke would be a better option, although he's happily in Seattle. Reminds me of. What you're supposed to do with spaghetti when you're cooking it, according to my Italian grandma. You're supposed to pick a strand of spaghetti out of the pot and throw it against the wall and hope that it sticks. Yeah, that's how you know it's done. Isn't that what the Broncos are doing? Just picking a piece of strand out of the boiling pot of water. Throwing it against the wall and hoping something sticks. Yeah, that's not a strategy in the NFL.

At least not a workable one. So what do they do? Well, yeah, it's easy to mention. Kirk Cousins and Baker Mayfield, but both those guys appear to be happy where they are. And we do have an update from Tampa, so we'll get to that coming up on Twitter. A law radio. I've asked you this before, but now that it's for reals, yo.

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Visit Carvana.com to finance your next car. With Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. You are listening to the After Hours Podcast. First down and goal. Bucks lead 3-0. Wanted to add to it after the Devin White interception. Got one on the right edge. To the left is Evans. Dropping back the throw.

Maybe throws a far start. Front ball! Mike Evans! Touchdown Tampa Bay! Fire up the cannons! Bucks take a 9-0 lead.

This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. The voice of Gene Deckerhoff. Tampa Bay Buccaneers play-by-play. And the reason we give you a Mike Evans touchdown.

It happened. The five-time pro bowler. The guy who's never had a season with fewer than a thousand yards receiving.

That Mike Evans. He is staying in Tampa. Of course he is. Two years. $52 million. $35 million guaranteed.

That's according to his agent who broke the news. And Evans avoids going into free agency. And as much as he has meant to the Buccaneers, that's how much he wants to stay, right?

He is a guy that is loyal to the Bucks and loves being with the Bucks. Did win a Super Bowl. When Tom Brady was there. And now has a Baker Mayfielder did last season.

I guess we can't jump the gun yet. But continues to be productive. And I like the relationship and the rapport that he and Baker were able to establish in their first season together. And with Todd Bowles, he's kind of settled the Buccaneers in. They've always had, not always, recently have had a great defense.

Even going back, I guess, to their Super Bowl season prior to the one with Brady, they had a great defense too. And Bowles is, he's real good in that arena. Now they do have to replace their, or they did replace their offensive coordinator. Hoping that Dave Canales, who's moved on to Carolina, and what he did with Baker and the receiving core can be replicated. Mayfield and Mike Evans have indicated they want to play together. And so now you've got the general manager focusing on the quarterback position, which kind of interesting, right? That in this particular case, for this franchise, it's receiver first and then quarterback. That doesn't happen very often, unless it's just easier to do the receiver. But the priority here was to make sure that Mike Evans remained in the fold and did not hit free agency.

Why? Well, because there'd be a dozen or more teams who would be interested in signing him, but he was motivated to stay, never did hit free agency, and now the attention turns to Baker. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Too bad, so sad NFL teams that wanted to add Mike Evans to the fold. But there are actually some really good receivers that are out there and theoretically available in free agency. Marco Boletti is in studio and I have to tell you this really funny story. It has nothing to do with the NFL or free agency. But as I look at you wearing your Yankees hat, this dawned on me and I'm glad you're in here. So I have a new idea for the radio show and it came via a conversation with a student of mine at Syracuse. So he's a sophomore last year. He took the class that I offered the art of radio and he tells me that actually he came to shadow us one night during the summer, which was fun. He tells me that he's been yep, yep, yapping to everybody in Newhouse, which is the school that I went to at Syracuse, that they need to take my class, awesome.

He wanted me to listen to a couple of segments from his radio show where he does a profile or I guess a rant on the Yankees every week. So in order to try to get some answers about the Yankees, he decided that he would visit the Cameo account of Brian Cashman. Did you know Brian Cashman is on Cameo?

No. And my student is pretty ingenious of this Syracuse student. He pays the 10 bucks now on a regular basis and sends messages to Brian Cashman on Cameo in the hopes that he'll get a response. Believe it or not, Cashman has responded to him twice, which I guess he gets paid to do. I was gonna say get paid, yeah.

But still it made me think if Brian Cashman can do it, why can't we? We should do it after hours Cameo account. Are you in?

Yeah. I feel like lots of people would want to hear from Marco Moletti. We're getting paid, right?

Well, I don't know. I don't know anything about it, but I can't imagine that Brian Cashman would do it for free. But also why would Brian Cashman even be establishing a Cameo account? Brian doesn't need the money. No, last thing he needs is money.

And also he can't be bored. No, look, I don't know. Is this just to connect with the fans in a different way? Is it to be super cool?

Is Cameo cool? I don't know. I don't either.

Let's Google it. That part of it I'm unaware of. I don't know why you would do it other than the fact of trying to, I don't know, have some sort of connection with fans. And this is kind of a measured way in a controlled environment because he has control over it. So maybe that's a good way for him to feel like he's connecting without actually having to truly connect. But I don't know why he would even take the time to do it.

I don't know either. But I'm not Brian Cashman. Right. So he's actually responded to this college student who really wants to cover the Yankees when he graduates more than once.

Okay, here's the deal. You can apply to join as talent. It can either be website or mobile app. You request personalized video messages from celebrities. Cameo, this is their pitch. Cameo connects fans with actors, athletes, musicians, performers, creators, social media influencers.

None of that includes us. Maybe they won't let us on Cameo. How many followers do you need to be on Cameo? Uh-oh, celebrities with more than 20,000 Instagram followers are eligible to set up an account with Cameo. Well, so much for that, because I don't have an Instagram account. I'm out. Yeah, right.

Don't have one either. How much does Cameo cost? Cameo prices range from a buck to as high as $15,000 for personal videos, depending upon the celebrity. Influencers set their own rates for a Cameo video appearance.

Wow, why are they so elitist? 200,000 followers on Instagram? Or did I say 20? Or did I say 20?

No, 20. Sorry, 20,000 Instagram followers. I suppose that we could probably translate our Twitter in Facebook. We have 46,000 friends on Facebook. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm sure that if you opened an account, you could get there. I don't know if you're asking me like why some of the people would do this stuff. I mean, some of the celebrities too, like your celebrity people know you, but maybe you don't have a true regular source of income. And this is a good way to bring in a little bit extra. Look, we know a lot of actors. We know a lot of actresses from certain roles, certain movies, certain TV shows, and they're getting residuals from that, but they don't necessarily have any new stuff coming in. So this is just a new source of income.

It's a new way to keep your face out there to make a little extra money. Now, the Brian Cashman's of the world. I don't know.

I don't get it. I don't know. But, you know, I'm not Brian Cashman. Maybe $200 to get a video from Brian Cashman. Yeah.

Okay. So he paid $10 to get a text message to chat. Yeah, you could pay $10 to chat with him, or if you want him to send you a personal video, which you can't tell him, I guess you can tell him what to say.

Well, yeah, if it's a birthday greeting or something along those lines. $200. $200 bucks. At least that's going back to 2020. So Brian Cashman has been on Cameo for a while now. And also let's keep in mind too, I mean, I don't know if you got it in front of you, but is he do? I know Cashman's very, very involved in doing work for charitable, different donations and all that stuff. It wouldn't shock me if he's doing this to raise money. It would not shock me.

I don't have that info, but maybe. But that wouldn't surprise me. I mean, he's been, you've seen him every year. He does it every year around the holidays to help out. I believe it's for some sort of homeless charity. He actually sleeps in the streets of New York one night a year, every year. Every year he's been doing it for at least a decade, where he sleeps at outside in a sleeping bag every night. And it's predetermined on the date. So if it's negative six, he's out there.

It doesn't matter. Like he is very, very good about a lot of the charities that he works for. Now wouldn't surprise me if he's taking that money and using it in that regard. Cameo Direct is a way to send your favorite celeb a message whenever you want. You can let them know you love their new song or movie. Ask a question or show your appreciation. There's no guarantee you'll get a response.

Here's my favorite line. Sorry, we do not offer refunds for unanswered DMs. But apparently the celeb entertainer or influencer gets 75% of the booking fee. 75% of that $200. The rest goes to Cameo, which isn't bad if you're charging 200 bucks, right?

When you get $150 of it. Again, you could make money off this. And I'm sure I don't really know exactly what you think you're going to get from a celebrity. Even like a little bit of like, I understand if maybe you're just trying to like you talked about your student. That makes sense. And he's trying to get his foot in the door and to get Brian Cashman to know who he is and all that kind of thing. I don't know if that's going to work, but it's smart.

It's a good way to go about it. If you just want to know the celebrity's what? Dog's name? What is this purpose?

What serves for everybody teaches on? Listen to this according to an October 22 study. So it's about a year and a half old by betting.com. Pro wrestling is the top sport on Cameo. Hall of Famer, Mick Foley is the top spot, has the top spot as Cameo's highest earning athlete overall. Now see that I wonder if it's like birthday stuff or wishes for people, because if anyone's going to give you a good Cameo, it's going to be a professional wrestler because that's what they do.

I mean that their work on the mic is what the reason why we all know who they are. So I could see that. I just, I don't know. I could see that as a gift. I mean, if you're into that kind of stuff and now all of a sudden you're last, I wonder, do you get to keep it forever?

I mean, if it goes to your phone, how can they stop you? So many people who've asked questions about Cameo. How long does a Cameo video last? A video last 10 minutes.

Oh, wait a minute. A Cameo live experience is a 10 minute live video call with a celebrity and up to four guests that you invite. Can you imagine how much that costs? That's a Mick Foley, not live, just a regular Cameo video. Looks like it's $125 per video.

$125. Oh, less than Brian Cashman. Yeah, maybe that's why he's so popular because he's affordable. Maybe, maybe. Interesting.

All right then. Well, we're not cool enough to be on Cameo. We're not well known enough. I wonder how many people in the broadcast industry are on Cameo. I know a few athletes have done this. Remember, there have been a few football players. Didn't Antonio Brown do a Cameo account not that long ago, a few years ago? I see him talking to himself on Twitter now.

I don't think we need to do anything live with Antonio Brown. I think that's a mistake on a lot of levels. Interesting. Who sets the prices? One more. It depends on the celeb. They have the ability to set their own Cameo price, which you'll see on their profile page.

I got to do one more. Who was the first millionaire? James Buckley. The first Cameo millionaire. He's an actor and YouTuber best known for his role as Jay Cartwright in the sitcom The Inbetweeners. A Cameo millionaire. Wow.

He made a million plus dollars on Cameo. Are we in the wrong business? Well, I don't know that name. I don't know that show.

James Buckley. And all of that. One thing after another, I was like, I don't know what that is. I don't know what that is. And I don't know what that is. Look at his picture. No idea who that is.

Not a clue. Oh my gosh. Last year, he became the first non-U.S. celebrity to make a million. He made a million pounds.

Well, a million dollars, but whatever. Yeah, it's even more. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Exchange rate is a little... The Inbetweeners. I have no idea what that is.

Made him a millionaire. I never mind. Let's reconsider. Let's just shift over to Insta.

Take our followers over there and see if we can become a Cameo millionaire. Wowzers. It's that... Sean Payton's on Cameo. Oh, of course he is.

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He's now in his early 40s, and he works out at a Detroit YMCA, where he stepped in to help save a man's life on Monday. I basically walk into the locker room after working out. I hear some noise about four rows behind me. It's over arguing about music. Someone playing some music too loud, so I'm not paying attention.

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Start to hear some tussling, start to hear some fists. But then once I heard a thud, I heard a thud. That's what got me up.

That's what got me to turn around. And then I see the guy. I think he's reaching for a phone underneath the victim. He grabs the back of the victim's head by the hair, and he was about to slam it down on the counter. I grabbed him, subdued him. Braylon, if you hadn't stepped in at that critical moment, this man could have been killed. I didn't know it was that serious.

I knew he probably had serious concussions and things of that nature, but it wasn't until I talked to Detective Jacobs down in Farmington. He told me that if I didn't step in, but at the end of the day, I was just, that's what you do. People go to work out. They have a good time. They live 80 years, and this is how they expect for something to maybe take their life.

How about that? Former NFL player Braylon Edwards steps in when he hears an argument escalate at a Detroit YMCA. And I misspoke. It was Friday the incident happened. Monday is when authorities were speaking out about it. The police chief in Farmington Hills says if it wasn't for that intervention, we could very easily be talking about someone's death. His name is Officer Jeff King.

Get this, the 20-year-old who was about to slam the 80-year-old's head into the counter, that 20-year-old has been charged with attempted murder. That's how serious this was. And I'm so grateful to Braylon that he didn't mind his own business. Initially, wasn't going to get involved.

Thought they were just yapping about music. But saved him his life because he refused to keep to himself mind his own business and walk out. It was really cool. And actually, his adrenaline was pumping. He said that his life kind of flashed before his eyes in those moments.

My mom, my grandmother, my father, in that moment, when you come back home, these are the people you think about. The police chief told the AP Braylon absolutely saved that man's life. A vicious, senseless attack is what it's been labeled. And the attacker has appeared in court already, but is still in custody. He can't postpone. Many of you may know Edwards from his time at Michigan. And then some of you, Browns fans. First round draft pick in Cleveland going back to 2005.

He was with both the Browns and the Jets during his tenure in the NFL. But yeah, did the interview with Local 4 in Detroit. Telling his side of the story. A good Samaritan in an extreme case. But man, so thankful he stepped in.

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