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That's BetterHELP.com slash positive. It's just, you just learn to deal with it. You know what I mean? With athletes and CEOs at every level, mental health is in the spotlight. And we're now understanding how, in addition to physical health or job training, the skills you need to do the actual work that's in front of you, you have to be in the right frame of mind. And so much of that is dealing with adversity.
My friend Darlene Santore goes by Coach Dar. I'm not sure that I have another friend who has dealt with adversity so gracefully and not only maintains her incredible smile, but her spirit. It is indefatigable. She's beautiful inside and out. And the pride now is over this incredible book that she has written. It just came out this week and her launch party is tomorrow in Phoenix. And we're so excited to have her on the show to talk about this masterpiece. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Please find me on Twitter, ALawRadio.
Not only is there a photo of Coach Dar, so you can see that smile and that spirit that I'm talking about, but the title of the book is there as well because I know you're going to want to seek out this book as we talk to Coach Dar. Also on our Facebook page After Hours with Amy Lawrence, we'll get back to football. A lot happening at the Combine in Indianapolis. Not much to do with the prospects.
Really more about the current than the future. And also more from Aaron Rodgers and his actual darkness retreat. But as I say, we are going to pivot and welcome longtime therapist and mental skills coach to both athletes and CEOs. Her name is Darlene Santore, but we call her Coach Dar. I got yelled at the first time I called her Darlene.
It never happened again. A brand new book that's out called The Art of Bouncing Back. And Dar, congratulations, first of all, because you're a first time author. The book is out. It's available.
People can pick it up. They are already reading it, of course, because your spirit and your wisdom and experience shine through. How does it feel to have your first book launch this week? Oh, it's it's surreal. It's a dream come true. And to be able to actually start and finish a book is a huge feat in itself. So to put truly to see this now in people's hands and people giving me feedback on how it's helping them.
That is why all the hours have paid off or are paying off. What was it like the first time you held the book in your hands? That was surreal. That's because you see it on the computer for so long and then paper as you print it to try to make edits. To see the book in hardcover in your hands is it's just one of those moments where you're like, wow, we did it.
We did it. The book is called The Art of Bouncing Back. What would you say are the one or two main hurdles in your life that you've had to bounce back from? I wish I could only tell you one, but the biggest hurdle that I've had to bounce back from was having multiple strokes. I've had three strokes in my life and the first one came at the age of 25, right when I was married and ready to start a family. That got turned upside down when I'd gone to see a chiropractor and they manipulated my neck.
When they did, it's a fluke thing. When they did, it ripped my vertebral artery and I bled into my brain. It left me with a blood clot. I had to overcome that. Thankfully, I did and went on. I've had two more after that. The third one that I just had about three years ago, that truly was the worst one. I had to do all my own rehab.
I will tell you, though, that by that point, the third stroke, all of the tools that I wrote in the book, I used. It was one of those things that I actually saw at work in action where I did bounce back faster. It was not easy. It was hard, but I did everything that I wrote in that book to get myself back physically, mentally, and spiritually back.
Those are the hardest things that I've had to bounce back from. Then, truly losing both my parents most recently, that was another hit. I lost my father while I was writing this book. I lost my mom when I was on the journey of just starting the book. I then lost my dad right when I was finishing the book. I thought, isn't that ironic that I have to work on these principles in the middle of both coming back from a stroke and then grief?
When I tell you I know these work, not only because my clients get results, but I use them personally, and it has helped me tremendously. She goes by Coach Dar. Darlene Santore is her name. She's a brand new author. The book is called The Art of Bouncing Back. As you can hear, she has lived a lot of these principles and is now telling her story more and more.
Also, a mental skills coach for everything from top athletes to CEOs in business. These principles have helped many people. I'm a testament to that, to being able to share your story a little bit.
We're glad to have you again after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Where were the seeds of this book planted from what you went through, or does it go back farther than that? Originally, when I started and I felt called to write a book, I started with Awakening Greatness, because that's my mission in helping people step into their greatness. And as I was in the process of starting that, that's when I had my third stroke and everything flipped upside down, and then my mom passed away, and then COVID hit. So I then quickly shifted gears because my agent and then publisher said, Dar, you literally have bounced back.
You've been able to do things and help people where they feel a difference. What is the formula? And Amy was saying, I don't really have a formula. I just know what to do. It's innately, after being a therapist for 26 years and working with people, it's experience.
They said, no, there's definitely a formula used. Like people, you could see the difference and in you. So when I sat down to think about this quickly, what was supposed to be just a chapter, the bouncing back became the whole book.
And it just came to me. I was like, wow, this is exactly what I do. And the principles came right to fruition. I created the outline and then I started filling out the chapters and it became clear. But I never thought about it because I just naturally knew what to do to help people myself. But these became the very principles that I've used for years now.
I don't want you to give too much away because the book is valuable for people to read. However, is there, say, one step or two steps that you can share or maybe a couple of steps that you share with athletes? I know you've worked with the Phoenix Suns and other NBA players in the past. So maybe clients that come to you and need to pick themselves up off the proverbial floor and figure out how to move forward again. Absolutely. And, you know, even these steps, I just want to say is they help you bounce back. But you don't even have to be in the middle of something to read this, because what this does is gives you mental foundation, a strong mental foundation. So when the hits come, you will bounce back faster. It builds mental fortitude. So going to like a principle that I start out with, which is embrace the suck, the military term. I start with it only because when you are going through something really hard or life hits, business hits, the pandemic hit. Maybe you've just been laid off, whatever it may be.
There's no way I would come alongside and say, OK, let's just pick up and move on tomorrow. You have to sit and embrace it. What is it?
What happened? What's the hit that we just took? What do we need to feel, see and think about this? Because we need to embrace it. We cannot just brush it under the rug, under the table. So I help people realize that whatever it is, this pain, we could turn to purpose, but we've got to embrace what is it?
What really just happened? Because if we don't identify what it is, it's really hard to then tackle it. So once we identify it, embrace it, embrace it meaning acknowledgement, acknowledging it, then we move to I love this second part because it's understanding your hard wiring. So in sports, there's the scouting card that everyone gets scouted off of their scouting card.
And it's kind of all the things that they're good at and maybe what their challenges are. But I take this and shift it to a confidence card. I have people start to understand you were hardwired with these great gifts. So if we're in the middle of a recession or a pandemic or you lose your job or a heartache, divorce, whatever, you could lose a lot of different things in those manners. But you did not lose how you were created. You did not lose your gifts. You didn't lose your talents or your education or knowledge.
So when I went through my stroke, everything in a lot of ways got shifted for me. But I still had all the education, all the knowledge, all the tools and my skill set. No one took that away from me. So I just had to find a different way to put that out there in the world. I didn't lose anything I gained. And when I get people to start to see that, listen, you could build your whole emotional foundation on the knowledge that is you. You're hard wiring. You could create a confidence card that you start writing all these things down on. That becomes your top scouting card.
You could always go back to that. This is why she goes by Coach Dar, again, a mental skills coach and works with athletes and CEOs and now has a brand new book called The Art of Bouncing Back. Proud of you.
So excited for you. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence here on CBS Sports Radio. Because of your work with athletes and you and I have talked about this before, we know more and more that mental health is a very real part of sports and that athletes are more open about it. Coaches are more open to it. A lot of teams have either psychologists that they work with or skills coaches like yourself.
How have you seen that change in your industry over the past, say, 10, 15 years? Well, you know, when I started out on this and created my own practice, I mean, I've been a therapist since, well, 26 years. But 2008 is when I started my own practice on this and everyone thought I had like three heads on. Like, what are you talking about mental skills and why do we need to work in this in sports and business? And I thought because it's everything.
It's your mental ed. So I have to say to you, I've been paving a way that probably everyone thought was nuts. But what I'm so grateful for is now so many people are embracing it. And I don't think we would have embraced it if we didn't go through a lot of heartache.
Now people are realizing we have to pay attention to this and it's not just when things go wrong. But we want to work on our mental fitness, our mental edge all the time so that when something happens, we're already stronger. And I equate this no different to you want to keep up your cardiac health, your physical health.
So should something happen to you and you have to go in for treatment or the hospital? Yes, it will still be hard, but you will be able to bounce back factor because you took care of your body, took care of your health. Your body is going to work for you in that situation. I want people to know all of the mental work we do, mental fitness, skills coaching, treating a mental edge, both business and in sports.
This is everyone everywhere. When you work on this, you will be set up so that you're healthier and better and you'll take the hits better. You won't sink as fast or you won't stay down as long. What's the reaction when you see people go through these steps and you work with them, they bounce back or they're able to dig into real mental toughness and mental health that helps them to perform better? Are people amazed at this? Oh yeah, it's literally like a light switch goes off.
They're lit from within. So I love seeing it because all of a sudden after they've worked with me and they've gone through it, they now start watching other sports or other events and they'll go, Oh, look at their mindset. Look at how it's affecting them. And I'll go, Oh, you're picking it up now. And then when they go through something, they will literally call me and say, Dar, I can't believe how much faster I moved through something that normally would have taken me down. And it's probably one of the best calls because I know they're stronger and I know that they're building this mental strength now that's going to serve them for the rest of their life. Hashtag raise the bar. What does it mean to raise the bar in your life, in anyone's life? Oh, this is one that you've definitely seen me talk about and I get excited because raise the bar is not about doing more. It's about raising the bar in your standards and your level of excellence. So what you do, you do really well.
You don't have to do more. You just have to do what you do well, what you do really well. So how you do anything, how you do everything, your level of excellence, your level of how you show up, your standard of integrity. We need people to raise their standards so that I know, Amy, when we walk in a room, if you're in the room, we're winning because of how you show up. The energy, the joy, the light, your effort, everything is always a standard of excellence. We want more people to be walking that out. So what they do is an example that others would follow. Kobe Bryant says it best that greatness is not what you accomplish, but it's how you live your life to inspire others to want to live a better life to greatness.
It's a ripple effect. So I'm on people all the time that we need our backstage to meet our front stage that when they see us, it all makes sense and that we're leading people so that honestly, if our movie was played out right now, we'd be proud of what people saw. And if you are not, you can make the change right now. So raising the bars, raising your standard, raising how you show up, raising the level of excellence. I don't know how you do it with everything that you have on your plate. What happens when you get tired, Dar? Well, I sleep when I can. You know, what happens is I sometimes like in season, you know, when we're on a cadence, sometimes like the athletes, we have back to back nights.
Same with us in life and in business. I know when I'm going to be able to catch up and all I need. I set my life up so I'm like, OK, I could go, go, go. Then this is my catch up day. Somehow I was made where I need more micro moments.
I know I'm not getting big breaks, but I could take the small breaks. And I know enough and biohacking and mindset that there's a lot of stuff that you could do for 20 minutes that gives you the equation of the equivalent of two hours of sleep. So I lean into all of the brain fitness tools I can to get my body to get what it needs.
I will say, though, that if your goal oriented or your finish line oriented, which is similar to me, too, if you can see that finish line and you know it's out there sometimes even running a half marathon, I can keep dragging my butt as tired as I am. As long as I can see that finish line in front of me, though sometimes the finish line moves, Dar, sometimes it moves. It's moved a lot with this book. Every time I thought I was getting the finish line, it moved a little.
I thought, oh, boy. But it's you know what? Here's the thing. Any time we've ever gotten anywhere where it's gotten hard or you don't know if you can make it and you stick it through, when the day comes where you get to be at that finish line of it, you sit there and go, I'm so glad I didn't give up. So that's a hope and a prayer that I have for everyone all the time is just you have 100% bounce back rate. Whatever was hard for in your life, you got to the other side. Whatever project you're working on that's taking a lot out of you. When you get to the finish line of it, you're going to be so glad you didn't give up.
So don't give up. You've got your launch party coming up tomorrow. I know you've used the word surreal a couple of times. I can imagine that is going to be surreal as you not only have the book out and available now, but you're going to have a party to celebrate it. What's the feedback so far as people have a chance to read the book?
I've already gotten calls from people saying that they couldn't put it down, that they've read it from front to back, that it was the tools that they needed. And someone just said, I was having a really bad day and your book came right on time. And I read it and it helped me feel better, changed my whole state.
And I showed up better by the time the end of the day was when I had to be with my family. I thought then that's why the book was written. I just want people to have the tools, Amy, because we could get an MBA, we could learn a language, but we were never taught how to handle life mentally.
We just weren't. So I created that. This is the people's book.
This is for the people so that we could all have the tools to know how to show up at life, even when adversity is hitting us. And yes, tomorrow is a day that will be very surreal because it's a world of people from business and sports that will be in the room. And probably if I was to get married, who would be in the room? But they would come to my book watch before the wedding. All in good time. But it's going to be surreal. And I think what's overwhelming is, you know, over the years pouring into so many people I keep just hearing, let us just come support you.
So that feels overwhelmingly beautiful. How far back in your life did you think that you would write a book? Because you've been in this career as a mental skills coach and working with people and applying these principles for decades. But what about seeds planted for a book? When did that start? When I was little, I was in first grade. And second, I actually had a hard time reading.
I couldn't process fast enough. So I pulled out of class, so I could go with a teacher who would teach me how to read at a higher speed. And she changed my life because she helped me get back on track to the point where I would be the kid in the library all the time reading.
I went from having a hard time to loving it. And my mom worked in this little town in Connecticut on the shore, and there was an independent bookstore, R.J. Julia's. And she would say to me, because I would spend summers there, I would literally spend summers in this bookstore while she was working. And she would say, someday, Dar, your book's going to be here. And I thought, Oh, sure. And 2012, when I started to get this itch to say I'm going to start writing because I had enough experience helping so many people now. And that's when I started the process.
It obviously didn't finish till now. And she said, Someday, I'll be the first person to buy your book. And while she's not here, this is for her. She knew. She saw it all the way back then when you were in first grade. She did. Wow. I'm sure that you wish that you could share this with her and with your dad. But man, everything they poured into you is also now coming out in this book.
It's called The Art of Bouncing Back and just a few minutes with Dar. And you're already inspired. You already pick up on the energy and you recognize that the book is just a tool to try to unlock some of what she's talking about. So where can people find the book now that it's available? It's available.
You get it at bookstores nationwide and go online at Amazon, Barnes and Noble, coachdar.com. You can go on there if you want to buy multiple orders. And I'm doing something where if you want to buy some, give some, you could buy some. And then we're going to be donating some to charities of people across the nation that would benefit from having this. So reach out at coachdar.com or follow on Instagram at the coachdar.
We have stuff that goes up every day about the book and life to give you mental fuel every day. She is a mental skills specialist. She works with top athletes.
She works with CEOs. They'll be both worlds colliding at her big launch party coming up on Thursday in Phoenix. I'm so excited for you.
I hope there's some photos out there that we can see. The book is The Art of Bouncing Back. And my goodness, I'm I'm so beaming with pride right now over your book and over this opportunity for you. Thank you, friend. It's so good to talk to you. And I'm so proud of you. Congratulations, Amy.
Thanks so much. I appreciate you more than you know. This is the wisdom, the experience, the inspiration, the encouragement, the life skills that she shares with people, not just in the book, but in her practice. From the moment I met Dar, I've just been so captivated by her spirit and how she is able to bounce back no matter what life happens in front of her, whether it's physical or mental or emotional, anything.
She just she's an amazing woman. And I hope you're inspired by that conversation. And yes, the book, The Art of Bouncing Back. I have only read excerpts. Can't wait to pick up the whole thing.
Might be giving it as gifts to people in my own life. So you can find her Twitter handle as well as the way to access her on social. Her Web site, too. That's on our Twitter after our CBS or me, a law radio. She actually said she would take this conversation once we give her the link and share it on her social media as well, which is really cool. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio.
You are listening to the After Hours podcast. No, I have no problem with the Rappaport chapter. I think they really get their jobs when it comes to me. They don't know they really don't. They don't have they don't have any source. They don't have people in my inner circle who are sources. I can promise you that. And anybody who would talk to them is not in my inner circle.
It's that simple. This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. It almost feels wrong going from the inspiration of Coach Dar to the musings of Aaron Rodgers. Now, that comes from before the darkness retreat when he was on his soapbox about anyone who would say publicly, hey, I know what Aaron Rodgers is going to do, or I've spoken to Rodgers, or this is when he's going in his retreat, or this is when he's coming out of his retreat. And I believe that it can be annoying when people think they know what you're going to do or they are talking about you and you know their sources did not come from people who actually are plugged in or part of your inner circle, as he puts it. It certainly is an axe that he was grinding before he went into the darkness, though it sounds like his darkness retreat gave him a great inner peace.
Now, we've heard kind of his ideas about the Packers. Not really. It's very transcendent. What's that word?
Something and dental. What's the word? I know Marco's looking at me funny. Transcendental.
No, it's a type of. Never mind. Oh, my gosh, you're looking at me.
I can't. I don't know where you're going. Usually transcendental. It's something like that.
That sounds wrong. Transcendent transcendental. I'm not sure where you're headed. I got to be fair. It's an S.A.T. word.
What, Jay? And then you're asking me. I think that's it. Meaning relating to relating to a spiritual or nonphysical realm.
That's what I'm talking about. That's that's how it's pronounced. Transcendental transcendent.
Learn something new every day. It is awkward sounding for sure. OK, so he in other words, he gives us something concrete. It's more about his mind, his emotions, his.
You know, it's it's conceptual as opposed to being concrete when it comes to the Packers. I don't know if he's made a decision. I would bet he's pretty close, if not already there and just hasn't revealed it and will reveal it in his own good time.
But in terms of the retreat, he definitely wanted to talk about that with his friend Aubrey Marcus on Aubrey's podcast. So his darkness retreat accomplished, I guess, his goal going in. It was the exact same feeling seeing you walk across the dining room table from the room you're staying in into where I was at in the dining room. And I got one open my eyes out of darkness.
And that was just an overwhelming sense of love for life. I have no idea what that means. The sense of love for life, yes, but apparently they're talking about some experience of Aubrey walking on a table. I suppose I could have researched that first, but I didn't really care.
You walk across the dining room. Do you have insight here? No, I'm just context clues of what he's talking about. My guess is it sounds like Aubrey Marcus was one of the first people he saw when he came out. Well, that's what I thought initially, too.
Can we hear it again? Except that he compares that feeling to when he came out of the darkness retreat. Yeah, I think he was supposed to be one of the guys that he saw.
Because you have to slowly come out to let your eyes adjust. I think Aubrey Marcus might have been there as one of the first people he saw after his eyes adjusted to the light. It was the exact same feeling seeing you walk across the dining room table from the room you're staying in into where I was at in the dining room. It was the same feeling I got when I opened my eyes out of darkness. And that was just an overwhelming sense of love for life.
Okay. Anyway, that's he and Aubrey. I hope that's the case. If not, it's just when Aubrey walked into the room that they did the podcast.
And for some reason Aaron Rodgers was full of love from that. He's walking across the dining room table. This sounds more like it might be part of the ayahuasca.
People walking on dining room tables. Yeah, I don't think he meant that as on the dining room. I think he meant in the past.
Okay. I guess that's up for debate. He does say that his time away from the game gives him a balance between his life and his career. There is life and then there is football. And the reason I set it up like that was because I never wanted to be just a football player because I'm a smart guy who went on Jeopardy!
and won and hosted Jeopardy! And I'm interested in all these other things. And look how, don't pigeonhole me as just a football player.
I'm not a dumb jock. And I fought so hard for this what seems now ridiculous way to differentiate my life or private life and my career. But what hit me in the darkness was that my life is football. My life and football are connected. And that's totally okay. I like that actually.
No, it's true. My calling, what I was built for is to do sports radio. It doesn't mean just to talk about sports but this is my calling in life. I've known it since I was 16 years old so it's impossible to separate. Am I Amy away from the job? Sure. And are there other elements and other aspects to my life outside of work? Yes.
But they are intrinsically related. Yeah, I like the idea that at least he was self-aware that he was trying to avoid the stereotype and he fought against it and he realized what am I fighting against? I am part of the show. I like that. I think that's actually, you know what, if you need a darkness to get there to get some self-evaluation, good for you. I actually like that one.
Good for you. It hit me in the darkness. A lot of things hit you in the darkness. I was going to say what else hit him in the dark? Apparently there were objects in the darkness retreat.
Now to our understanding, and Marco was here last week and we were talking about this, there's a fireplace in his hut in Oregon so I don't know how it could be completely dark. Not to mention there are people coming and going. There are people giving him food twice a day. Well there was almost like, I hate to say it, it's almost like the prison slit. It opens up, they hand the food and they close it. It was just like that chamber. If you watch a movie and you watch the prison food and you go in the hole, they open up the slit, they put the food in and they close it.
That's what that was supposed to be for this too. But he has to be able to see it, otherwise the food would, unless there's a table there for the food to sit on right inside the door, but he'd have to be able to see it to grab it, right? I mean again, the slit opens, you're going to have some sort of crack of light so you can grab the food. Plus the fireplace. See the fireplace I was a little confused about because should you really be lighting a fire in the darkness? That's what I mean. I feel like somebody else was in there doing the fireplace. Yes, that's what I read.
I read that someone comes in and stokes the fire twice a day. I'm not a dumb jock. All right. I'm a little confused as to, you know, you're not supposed to have other people. That's kind of part of the retreat. You're away from everyone. So I'm a little confused by that.
All right. Well, there were some safety hazards apparently in his darkness retreat. It's four steps, medium sized steps to the bathroom.
Only thing I can drill you is this wall on the left here, besides the bed. And then once you get to the bathtub, you take a right and it's about three steps. You got to watch out for this big hook that's coming out of the wall.
That's dicey. It was a dangerous potentially. If you didn't put the towel, I put the towel over the hood. It was, it was, it was a towel book when it was just standing there without it was sitting there without a towel. I was like, that would be really dangerous.
All right. So apparently avoided getting injured. That's good news because we don't need that. If he's going to continue his football career, Jay actually gave me a cut of Aaron Rogers talking about using the bathroom in the darkness. I have a general rule here on the show that we don't, we don't do potty humor. You know, this going back to my days on the weekends where my weekend shows where Peter Schwartz would try to talk about, well, I guess that was right after.
So that was right after we became five nights a week. Peter Schwartz would try to tell bathroom jokes and he would try to talk about his bathroom experiences here in the building. And I put the kibosh on that because I did not want to hear it at all. I got to tell you, I didn't know this rule, nor did I know those stories.
And I don't think I want to. Yeah, no, I, I don't generally do a lot of potty humor on this show because I feel like it's fairly lowest common denominator. But for some reason, Jay gave me an Aaron Rogers bite on pooping in the darkness.
We're just going to table that for now. Because Jay's in there giggling and boys love to talk about poop. So, you know, you're in there giggling, you've heard the bite. I couldn't even listen to it. I was like, I'm not I'm not listening to this. I heard it. I couldn't hear it.
I had to at least put it in the cut sheet. It's your call. We play it or not, but I had to at least. All right, we'll see.
We'll see. Maybe I need to hear it first. I heard the first three words and was like, nope.
Yeah, it's better from there. Oh, no. Oh, my gosh.
Okay. Well, Aaron Rogers hasn't announced any decision. I believe he already knows he's just not sharing with us. He's very calculated in his timing. He's busy on the Aubrey Marcus podcast talking about his darkness retreat, which right now is the most important thing to him. So fine. There's no real news there.
It's just his stories about the darkness. So we're going to get to some actual QB news coming up next, if you don't mind. Do you mind? You don't mind? Everybody mind? I don't really have a say, so sure. Good point. It's after hours on CBS Sports Radio.
Here's our latest sports update on contemplating the cut. You can play it in your update if you want to. I could. It doesn't really fit the update. Oh, it fits my show to talk about poop, but it doesn't fit. It doesn't fix it.
It needs like a broad scope and not a condensed time of two minutes. Aaron Rogers talked about pooping on his retreat. If you'd like, I can play the cut.
I do have it. I dare you. No, no, no, no, no. I don't dare you. I don't dare you.
I just am saying you could put it in your update if you really want people to hear it that bad. I'm aware. I didn't realize that it was taboo to play. I didn't realize there was a big stigma around this.
But if you'd like, I have the cut. Just a general rule is I feel like potty humor is in. Yeah, I could see that. This one is somewhat informative and newsworthy. Oh, OK. There were a lot of questions. News anchor. There were a lot of questions going in about how that exactly happens in the dark.
Because what do you do? I've gone to the bathroom in the dark in pitch black where you can't see it all. Yeah.
When it's dark and you don't have the lights in the middle of the night when you have to get up and go back. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's fine. We're talking something else, because the idea is you're there for four days. So you're not going to just do that the quick.
What you're talking about in darkness, four days. So at some point you're going to have to truly go. And the question becomes, how do you know you're clean? That's the question. That's the question.
Because I would. And that's what that is, the question. Well, and that's what the news was going in. And he answered. That's not news. It's just curiosity.
But it's not exactly. It was curious. There's a lot of curiosity with the whole darkness retreat. What do you do in four days? What do you do in the darkness? What are you thinking about? Where do you go? Like what exactly does your mind do? Well, that's the idea.
But like the whole point is four days in the dark. What do you do? You know. All right.
There's a lot of different things here. OK. And that was one of them. All right.
He gave an answer. You don't want to hear it. I don't. I guess I don't really care about how people poop in the darkness. It's not not my thing. I was curious going in.
I was curious. OK. We're now so late, it's not even funny. So now I didn't have time to do QB news at the top of or going up to the top of the hour.
This is not news. Cuts only like eight seconds. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence. You are listening to the After Hours podcast. Jackson will keep it on the read option, jukes a man, stumbles to the one dives in for the touchdown. Lamar Jackson extends the Ravens lead with a first rushing touchdown and the first touchdown of the game.
This is After Hours with Amy Lawrence. Jerry Sandusky on Ravens radio. No, a deal has not yet been achieved between Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.
However, the Ravens are part of the entourage of coaches and general managers at the combine in Indianapolis for what is essentially another football convention. So on Wednesday, we had the chance to hear from not only head coach, but not only I'm still thinking about Aaron Rodgers and whether or not I'm going to play the cut. I just went listen to the whole thing. And I'm erring on the side of no, because it's just TMI and it's gross.
And why? Why would you talk about that on a podcast that, you know, millions of people are going to listen to? How could you possibly say that? It's gross.
I've been hosting national radio shows for nearly 20 years. I've never once thought that that was good content. I know I'm a female and I'm different than men, but for heaven sakes, there are some things that you do not talk about on a podcast or a national radio show. It's just ew, ew. Don't, you know, pigeonhole me is just a football. No, you're ew, you're ew. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence, CBS Sports Radio.
I'm sorry, that just completely derailed me. So back to the Ravens. John Harbaugh, he's the head coach. They're still working toward getting a deal done with Lamar Jackson.
Not there yet. We've been texting back and forth here and there over the last, ever since the season was over. So I feel like Lamar's doing really well.
It's just what it is, part of the business. You know, it's what you expect when you have a great quarterback, when you make a great decision in the draft. And I think Lamar has done a great job in terms of developing as a quarterback and winning football games and competing and doing all the things that he does.
I feel like we've done a great job in terms of bringing out the best in Lamar over the years. And it's just evident in the way he plays. And so he's my quarterback. He's my guy.
I love him. And as a coach, I'm looking forward to seeing it get done. But it's not easy.
It's never easy. It's the business part of it. But I'm really hopeful and excited, fervently hopeful, and can't wait for it to get done. So John Harbaugh maintains that same line that he has shared with us for the better part of two years now.
And that's where they are. Two years in, no deal done. John Harbaugh is relentless in his appreciation, his love for Lamar, and what Lamar has done for the Ravens franchise. But Lamar wants a fully guaranteed contract. And if they don't reach a new deal and sometimes a compromise by Tuesday, Baltimore has to slap the franchise tag on Lamar or he becomes an unrestricted free agent, which means they would get nothing in return for him. So this is on the GM, Eric DaCosta, who did actually respond to the T-word, the trade word, about the Lamar Jackson situation and the fact that they've got to consider all options. He can't win in this league without a strong quarterback.
I mean, that's been proven. So we want Lamar here. We think he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. He's certainly one of our best players and we want him back. Living in a world without a quarterback is a bad world to live in. And I think there's a lot of GMs and coaches who would probably say that who are living in that world right now. We're aware of that.
I think we've been blessed since 2008 to have Joe Flacco and Lamar Jackson. And my goal is to continue that. DaCosta did call the situation with Jackson a tough negotiation. Now, you can interpret that a variety of ways. You can interpret it as Lamar and his family, they drive a hard bargain.
It's tough because we're both dug in. You could interpret it that way. You could interpret it as it's tough because it's not going anywhere. We're not making any progress.
But DaCosta did not elaborate. Only that it's a tough negotiation with Lamar who represents himself. He does not have an actual player rep and instead it's him and his family. According to Joel Corey, the former agent who's now salary cap expert for CBS Sports, he joined us last week. Any deal that Lamar would agree to is reviewed by the NFLPA. So he does have attorneys and help on his side, but he's his own agent. It's After Hours, CBS Sports Radio.
