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Marilyn Monroe's enduring legacy as a Hollywood icon is celebrated in a new exhibition at the Motion Picture Academy Museum in Los Angeles. Meanwhile, a teenage pickleball sensation is dominating the sport, and a family's harrowing experience in a family detention center highlights the complexities of immigration policy. First Lady Jill Biden opens up about her husband's mental health and their life after the White House, while the Human Library, a unique initiative that brings people together to share their stories, is changing lives and challenging stereotypes.

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She was born Norma Jean Mortensen on june first, nineteen twenty six. That's right, Marilyn Monroe would have turned one hundred years old to morrow. The beloved Hollywood star died young, of course. She was just thirty-six. And though more than six decades have passed since then, she remains one of America's most treasured and enigmatic icons.

Tracy Smith pages through a remembrance of Marilyn at 100. Running wild, lost control Running wild. My bone. Feeling gay, you're at this too. In a hundred years, there's never been anyone quite like Marilyn.

Marilyn was a character that she created. That wasn't who she was as a real person. She was able to turn it on and off like. It was like a light bulb that she could turn off and on. Ooh, do you feel the breeze from the Sabwa?

Isn't it delicious? A glimpse of the real Marilyn Monroe ahead on Sunday morning. It's been 16 months since President Joe Biden and First Lady Jill Biden left the White House. They've been living largely outside the spotlight ever since. But this morning, Dr.

Jill Biden is speaking out for the first time since the Trump administration took office. in a wide-ranging conversation with Rita Braver. Do you ever, when you're out here, you know, think about the state of the world? Every day. Every day.

With a new book out, Former First Lady Joe Biden is facing some tough questions. Have you ever seen signs of mental decline in your husband? Mental decline, not physical, mental. Joe Biden's White House years Later on Sunday morning. As the administration's mass deportation efforts continue, Jim Axelrod this morning examines conditions inside an ICE detention center in Texas.

as seen through the eyes of a refugee family. In Dilley, Texas, is a group of trailers housing families seeking safety. You're in America. including nearly a hundred children. They were vetted.

and found to pose no risk. If most Americans could see the conditions and see the desperation of the kids. and the trauma that all of it is causing. I believe that they would join me in saying that we should shut it down. Seeking asylum and finding months of detention instead.

Coming up. on Sunday morning. Jonathan Vigliati meets the teen sensation, dominating the world of pickleball. That's right, pickleball. doctor John Lapouk visits a most unusual library in Denmark.

Suffice it to say, you've never checked out a book like this. Plus a story from Steve Hartman, and more. on this Sunday morning for the final day of May. and we'll be back after this. Yeah.

There are icons, and then there is Marilyn Monroe. The legendary star would have turned one hundred to morrow. We begin with Tracy Smith on A Century of Marilyn. There Is a river Call the river. It's been said that she was uncomfortable in front of a camera, but she was one of the most photographed women of the 20th century.

Having a heat wave A tropical, tropical heatway. And now, in a world where it seems everyone is fighting for attention, Her influence and her legacy stand taller than ever. I wanna be loved by you, just you nobody else but you. I wanna be loved by you alone. Boop boop be doo.

For the ultimate movie star, it's no surprise that the Motion Picture Academy Museum in Los Angeles is going big. And then of course this is from the Little Rock number. This is a cut scene from the seven-year itch where she dresses up like Mae West. Curator Sophia Serrano and museum director Amy Homa put together a collection of all things Marilyn, including some of her more dazzling film costumes. Marilyn Monroe, Hollywood icon, opens today.

When you tell people, hey, we have a Maryland exhibition coming up, what's the reaction? Excitement. The fire has not extinguished. People still want to connect with Marilyn. Whether they've seen all of these films or whether they're going to be introduced to these titles for the first time through our exhibition, she is everlasting.

Do you have a white whale, the one thing that you knew you had to get for this exhibition? The pink dress from Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. A kiss on the hand may be quite contradential, but diamonds are a girl's best friend. You remember the dress, that pink silk number with the gloves, from a scene with the song you can't forget either. Yeah.

Of course they tracked it down and of course there's a story behind it. The dress is actually a last-minute stand-in. The original design was a lot more revealing, but during production, some nude photos that Marilyn had shot years earlier came to light.

So, to tone down her racy image a bit, the studio head ordered up the more modest pink dress for the song. The dress and the film were hits, but for Marilyn, it was just another hurdle. In many ways, she represents resilience. And that is, I think, something that's really relatable and something that a lot of people can draw on for inspiration when they have their own challenges. For I must have you or no one.

And so I'm through with love. Before she was Marilyn, she was Norma Jean, a child of divorce who lived in a string of foster homes. In fact, to avoid going to a new foster home, she got married at age 16 to a 21-year-old neighbor, James Dougherty. Husband number two was better known, baseball legend Joe DiMaggio. And number three was playwright Arthur Miller, who wrote this movie, The Misfits, for her.

I never really saw anything grow before. How tiny those seeds were. And yet they know they're supposed to be lettuces. Who say the darndest things? You know that, don't you?

Marilyn Monroe made 29 films, some of them true classics, but none of it came easy. She had a reputation for being moody and later in her career, chronically late, often keeping crews and directors waiting for hours. It took a lot for her to get ready. Her makeup routine took hours. The costuming often took a lot of work to get it just right.

She would spend hours in front of a mirror just rehearsing and prepping before going on to the set. But a lot of people always say what you did get was 100% worth it. She never did win an Oscar, but today her image alone is big business. When Marilyn died, she left nearly everything to her acting coach, Lee Strasberg. And in 2011, his widow sold most of Marilyn's estate to a company called Authentic Brands Group, who now license her image worldwide on artwork and products from champagne to fake fingernails.

What's more, Marilyn has upwards of 15 million followers on social media, many of them young, says Authentic Brands Dana Carpenter. About 54% of that following is under the age of 34. Why do you think that is? Why are young people still interested in Marilyn Monroe? I would like to believe that they really like her self-starter story.

I think that that really left a mark on a lot of people. Oh, waiter. And that isn't a waiter, my dear, that's a butler.

Well, I can't yellow butler, can I? Maybe somebody's name is Butler. She was the top female box office draw for much of her career. But while Marilyn Monroe always looked like a million bucks, she didn't have anywhere near that much. How long have you been studying Marilyn Rowe and collecting items?

Well, probably since I discovered her at about 12 or 13 years old, so well over 40 years now. 40 years. Scott Fortner, who owns the Marilyn Monroe Collection, has taken a deep dive into her finances. Oh, this is so cool because it says exactly who she paid. You have some of her bank statements and even checks she wrote?

Yeah, I have her full 1962 archive of financial documents. And what's amazing about this documentation is it tells you exactly what Marilyn made and what she spent her money on. And it really is a great tool for dispelling a lot of the rumors and stories that are out there about Marilyn.

So one story is that she borrowed $5,000 from Joe DiMaggio to put down on this house in Brentwood. But These statements show that in January, when she put that deposit down, she made over $250,000 in royalties from her films. And there's no deposit into an account for $5,000. There's the expense for the deposit, but she didn't need to borrow money from Joe. She could buy that house on her own.

She bought that house on her own. Exactly. And in the summer of 1962, that house was where she gave her final interview, talking with Life magazine about everything from movies to money. I would like Enough to um sustain myself on. and those around me who need a little help.

But uh to be a millionaire isn't any ambition of mine. It was never one of my American dreams. The interview and photos, many never before seen in public, are in a new book that the publishers consider her official autobiography. Marilyn, The Lost Photos, The Last Interview. That interview was published august third, nineteen sixty two, and two days later Marilyn was found at her home, dead of an apparent drug overdose.

Do you have any doubt in your mind that she killed herself? It's my opinion that she She died by her own hand, whether it was intentional or accidental. That's that's the big question. I think the general public is unaware of the fact that she had overdosed in the past. It wasn't the first time.

Arthur Miller talks about. Two times that he had saved her when she had overdosed, and there were times before that as well. One of the most famous stars in Hollywood history is dead at 36. Marilyn's death has become part of her mystique. But for millions of fans, it's not about how she died, but how she lived.

And to all of them, she is eternal. Do you think 100 years from now people are still going to be talking about Marilyn Rowe?

Well, I feel that she's our modern-day Cleopatra, so I think the answer to that question is probably yes. And I say that because she's had certain impacts on pulp culture that still to this day are existent and ongoing. I hated careless man. Do you get the sense that people just still love Marilyn? Oh, yes.

There's a reason that she's still as popular and ever-present today, and I think that she. always will be. And what it boils down to is she was troubled, she was challenged, at the same time she was a genius. Look at what she accomplished. She created this character that the world fell in love with.

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In the 1960s, pickleball was invented as a kids' game. Then somehow became recreation for retirees, something you age into, not trained for. Yeah. Now, a teenager is helping transform the game into serious competition. Yeah.

Anna Lee Waters, just 19 years old, is changing how people talk about pickleball. I think there are going to be some viewers that are going to watch this and they're going to say, wait a minute, she's really young. Isn't pickleball for old people?

Well, it's funny because before I actually played pickleball for the first time, that was my exact words. Pickleball looks like tennis on a smaller court, played with paddles and a lighter wiffle-style ball, in theory meant to slow the serve down. Out on the courts, however, there are two kinds of players: dinkers and bangers.

So, if you like to play soft, you're a dinker. And if you like to bang the ball, you're a banger. No one bangs harder than Waters. And her style of play is turning the recreational game into some serious competition. Were you welcomed as you entered the court of Pickleball as the banger that you were?

I feel like in our local community we were very welcomed and people were really supporting it, but it was like when you went to tournaments, the commentators, the other players were like, oh, they're playing tennis on a pickleball court and this isn't the way the game should be played. We weren't really trying to change the game, we just wanted to win and what we were doing was winning. And now, obviously, the game, nobody says that anymore. The game's all fast-paced and aggressive. It was just nine years ago when she and her mother Lee first picked up a paddle.

My dad actually introduced us to the game in Allentown, Pennsylvania. And so we started playing at the same time, but Annalie was only 10. Lee, a lawyer at the time, enjoyed this sport so much she began playing in pickleball's emerging professional competitions. She brought her daughter Anna Lee, who would occasionally play herself. You know, when Annalie would show up at a tournament, They would enter her into the adult brackets because there just weren't any junior brackets.

And the adults would be like, wait, there's a kid plays pickleball? Lee Waters serving to Lucy Kovalova. In those early days, winners took home a few hundred dollars. Lee Waters rose quickly to number one, but it wouldn't be long before her daughter would show her potential. It might have been when she played her mom and beat her the first time.

Maybe. And mom's going to get over it. I know this isn't therapy, but take me through that moment, mom. Oh, it's terrible. Oh, bronze medal winners, Kyle Yates and Anna Lee Waters.

Do you remember this moment? Of course, we were at a tournament in Kansas, and I ended up winning the bronze medal over her. And like, we really didn't talk that night because she's all so competitive. She didn't just beat her mom. Anna Lee has gone on to win 44 triple crowns and 194 gold medals.

She hasn't lost a singles match in over two years. You make winning look so easy. Thank you. Is it easy? No, it's not.

I mean, some matches obviously are easier than others, but the whole like process of winning the Triple Crown is far from easy. For one, just the amount of matches I play in a weekend, I play like 15 matches in like five days. Like, it's crazy.

So, a lot of the hard work is done, like, not at the tournaments, you know, just all the training. Uh Yeah. Woof, that had some fire. Training takes up to five hours a day. With her mom, her coach, dodging bangers at a court near their home in Boynton Beach, Florida.

Ah, sorry. Her father manages this family business. They're helping shape not just a champion, but the public face of one of the fastest-growing sports in the world. The Professional Pickleball Association hosts 25 tournaments annually. Six one one.

With the World Championships paying players more than a million dollars. That's where we first met Annalee last fall. Let me show a signed hat as fans of all ages asked for autographs. You are a teenager. I am.

And you are the face of professional pickleball. Thank you. But you are, and I wonder how do you handle all of that attention?

So it's kind of been my whole life. A lot of people ask me that question, and I'm like, I don't know any different. Mom! In January, she signed a multi-year sponsorship deal with Nike, their first sponsored pickleball athlete ever. And last year, she earned more than $2 million in prize money, outearning her competitors, male and female.

When you start thinking really about number one, that's when it gets hard. Even my first round, I'm getting nervous. Like, you have to be that way. Really? Yeah.

Any time I have ever gone into a match not nervous, I have never played my best. I'm always first round to finals, like, I'm nervous. Doesn't matter who I'm playing. To deal with those nerves, Annalie Waters has a mental coach, like a kind of therapist for athletes, to help her develop a mantra of sorts to deal with the pressures of the court. Just be you.

If I'm focusing too much on my opponent, that's when bad things tend to happen. And if I'm focusing on myself and what I can do better or what I'm doing wrong, that's usually when I'm playing my best.

So if I can just focus on myself, not worry about everything that's going on. It's okay. Just be you. Just be you. The Trump administration's mass deportation efforts continue in locations all across the country.

We wonder just how it works for those caught in the throes of all this.

so we asked our Jim Axelrod to take a closer look. Joel Andre is a 17-year-old immigrant from the Democratic Republic of Congo. Yeah. A soccer-obsessed high school junior. who now lives just outside of Portland, Maine.

But I know they're gonna lose. We are at the moment. Homework is taking a back seat to this summer's World Cup. Joel and his younger sister Estefania. Who's looking forward to the World Cup more?

Which is the perfect distraction at this dinner table. for a family. that badly needs one. How much are you thinking about her now? Hmm.

Very much. Every time I'm doing something. I always think about leave, yeah. Olivia is their nineteen year old sister. All three, along with their mother Corrine, were detained last November at the South Texas Family Residential Center.

in Dilley, Texas. What's it like? And Delhi was very hard. very high, especially To the kids right they food uh the water you drink, even the water you shower. It's the worst.

But when Joel, Estefania, and Corine were released in March, Olivia at nineteen years old had to stay. We all wear it like Why? Why? I have a hope that we can all be together, but I don't know when where. The family had fled the Congo after Karine, an activist, was brutalized for speaking out against the ruling regime.

They came here. seeking political asylum. No exaggeration if Karine and her kids do not leave the DRC. Chances are. They're not alive.

That's right. Yes. Elora Mukherjee, the director of the Immigrants' Rights Clinic at Columbia University. and the family's lawyer. says when this family arrived in 2022, they were vetted and released to await their hearing.

after they were deemed to pose no threat. They complied with all their check-ins? Yes, they showed up for every single appointment and did everything they were supposed to do. But it wasn't enough. In February of 2025, A judge ordered them to port it.

Scared of being sent back to the Congo, they tried to go to Canada. but were denied entry. and sent back to the US. where they were then sent to Dili. You've been inside Dilly.

Yes. Describe it for me. It is a series of trailers. Families and children alike consistently report. That they do not have access to sufficient clean drinking water, that they found live worms, bugs, and mold in their meals.

The lights are on 24-7, making it really difficult for everyone detained there to sleep. Those accounts have been repeated by dozens of detainees in sworn testimony, written letters, and interviews. We need to move quickly. More than 6,300 children have been detained by federal immigration authorities during President Trump's second term.

some as young as two months old. Nearly half have been detained at Dilly. 97%. had no criminal record. It's the only place I can think of in America where we imprison young children.

who have done absolutely nothing wrong. Congressman Joaquin Castro, a Democrat from San Antonio, is calling for Dilley to be shut down. Instead of treating them like asylum seekers who were vetted to come into the country, they're treating them like criminals. What could the policy objective be? of creating conditions like these.

I think it's meant to send a very ugly message. that we don't want you here. that you're not welcome. Dilly opened in 2014. President Obama intended to hold migrant families there who had been caught crossing the southern border illegally.

President Biden closed it a decade later. When President Trump reopened Dilly in 2025, a for-profit company, CoreCivic, was given a contract worth one hundred eighty million dollars annually to run it. Course Civic denies the charges of any substandard care or conditions at Dilley. Joel, Estefania, and Corrine, were held at Dilley. For almost four months.

For like all we've been through, eh? Going to dilligrams like broke our hearts. That alone violated something called the Florist Settlement. a Federal order that's been in place for nearly thirty years. requiring the prompt release of children.

One Federal court has said that means no more than twenty days. Did you think to yourself, well, there's laws in place, we can't be here more than 20 days? Yes. But they broke all those laws. While a federal court has rejected a White House effort to terminate the Flores settlement, The administration is appealing.

Uh This is my sixth trip. to Dilly. Since President Trump has been in office the second time, we went to Dilley with Congressman Castro this past week. where families also complain about a lack of health care and a lack of education for their kids. These kids are, they're hugging my leg and they're asking me to get them out of there.

I mean they're four years old, six years old. And They're basically in a trailer prison. But this is as far as we can go. Yeah. Our CBS News crew got as far as the front gate.

All right, we'll get out then. Yeah. So The restrictions here at Dilly. No report is allowed, and even those who do get in, like members of the U.S. House of Representatives having to surrender their phones upon entry.

mean there are somewhere near 100 children inside Delhi. and not one picture. of the conditions in which they live. They told us that there are three kids who are under the age of three. We met with a 15-year-old boy.

He said that he hasn't eaten in days because he. Doesn't feel like eating. He's depressed. Are you surprised? Good.

Even you can't. Use your camera. Use your phone. Yeah, I'm surprised that we let him get away with this. I'm surprised that we've not taken a stronger stand and said, when you've got a group of people, including kids, that have committed no crime.

We're not going to put up with that. We're going to be able to see what's going on. According to its 2027 budget proposal, The White House wants to add 30,000 more beds in family detention centers. Our requests to the Department of Homeland Security to discuss Dilly were denied. but they did provide a written statement.

Another day and another hoax about the South Texas Family Residential Center. Any claim that there are subprime conditions at ICE detention facilities is false. All detainees are provided with proper meals, quality water, blankets, and medical treatment. and called the Flores settlement A tool of the left. Americans don't yet know?

What is happening at the Family Detention Center in Dili? And once more people know? people will feel motivated to speak out against the abuses there. As for Joelle, Estefania, and Corine, while we were still with them in Maine, they got the call. Olivia would be released after more than five months in detention.

A few days later, an airport reunion gave this family's dilly story. a happier ending than most. While Joaquin Castro and others share the family's joy. He says this is the exception. Not the rule.

The government knows they're not criminals. and yet they're being held like criminals. And that it's what we can't see. where Congressman Castro thinks We should train. our focus.

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Something bad. Steve Hartman this morning introduces us to a retired educator who's not afraid to get his hands dirty. Going into retirement, 58-year-old David White had some preconceived notions. I thought it would be blissful and easy and joyful. It's not?

It wasn't quite. Last September, David retired after 33 years in education. the last fifteen spent as an elementary school principal. A career so illustrious, David was once awarded Principal of the Year for the entire Atlanta School District. He says he left mostly to be free of the demands.

But Well, I was just hanging out with the cat, and it was a little lonely, honestly. It was a little lonely. About this same time, David says he really started missing his old school community. He knew he couldn't be principal again. They'd already hired a new one.

But when a different position opened up, He fired off his resume immediately. I said, hmm, okay, that's interesting. I said, absolutely. Apply. Holly Brookens is the new principal here at Burgess Peterson Academy.

She interviewed David and found him more than qualified. which is why this old head of school.

Now cleans the head. His job title is Site Manager, but he's basically a handyman. does everything from power washing bathrooms to inspecting fire extinguishers, to cleaning gutters. And although he's no longer climbing the ladder, metaphorically. No longer perched on that top rung.

metaphorically. He doesn't seem to mind in the least. Ah, yeah, I'm one of the bottom rungs, right? If you look at it in a hierarchical way. Why doesn't that bother you?

It doesn't bother me at all. Why not? I still feel like I'm contributing meaningfully to a place I really care about. I wanted to go through some of my to-do lists for the week.

Okay. We all like to say that every job is important. Sure. But not many truly believe it. Truly know it, truly show it, as David has.

I need to finish spreading the mulch in the courtyard.

Okay. And that's why, even though he retired as principal, He still leads. Hi, guys. By example. How was your dance, Aston?

Good. You had a good time? Dr. Jill Biden. First Lady of the United States from 2021 to 2025.

This morning, in her first interview since leaving the White House 16 months ago, She's looking back with our Rita Braver.

So is it a big change? You know, you're in the White House and you're living kind of a quiet life in Delaware.

Well, it's not exactly a quiet life. I mean, we're still doing a lot of things, writing, traveling, speaking, but then we come home and this is our Peaceful place, let's put it that way. But there has not been a lot of peace for the Bidens. Just four months after leaving office. President Biden was diagnosed with an aggressive form of stage four prostate cancer that had traveled to his bones.

Yes. How's the president doing now? he's doing well but uh It was a shock. I mean, Rita, honestly. I can remember getting the diagnosis and it was just It was shocking.

Do you think that someone when he was in the White House should have discovered it, given him a test?

Well, you know, the doctors said that according to the American Urological Association, that men over 70 don't need a PSA a blood test anymore because It's a slow growing cancer, I have to say. Rita, I do feel we had amazing care in the White House. But somehow that was missed.

So you're a little bit tense when it comes to this alpha. I don't know if the word is tense, but I think I'm vigilant. But there is another essential question that many Americans have about President Biden's mental health. when he was in the White House. Did you ever see signs that he was falling into cognitive decline?

No. No. No. Truly. No.

I mean, I have spoken to many people who saw the present especially during the last two years of its term. And they said. They thought he was slipping. Oh, he was definitely aging. I mean, we were all aging, Rita.

I mean, so yes, he was slowing down. I mean, people were saying he wasn't the same Joe Biden.

Well I don't think that's true. He was the essence of the same Joe Biden, but Yeah, he was slowing down. He was getting older. I mean, we all observe that. When you you know, it's a very intense job.

I think it ages you quickly. I mean look at the other presidents. I mean look In comparison when they started in office and got out of office, and it was natural aging. From the start of the administration even, Some polls were showing that many Americans were questioning the President's mental fitness. I asked you about it when I interviewed you and you said there's nothing to it.

And I still say that. And now, Dr. Jill Biden has written a book about her time in the White House. It's called View from the East Wing. A place where generations of first ladies had their offices.

and where visitors came for White House tours. It has now been destroyed by President Donald Trump. to make way for a ballroom.

So what do you think about that? What do you think, I think? You said. I felt a sense of loss and grief with every blow of the wrecking ball. That's right.

I mean there was so much really institutional memory in that building. I loved the East Wing. Did you ever think of changing the title after the East Wing was destroyed? No. I then I thought this is the perfect title for my book.

I know this. that in the book You? Don't mention President Trump's name, except for one time. You call him my husband's predecessor or my husband's successor. I have to think that was done on purpose.

Well, why would I talk about him? when I'm writing about Joe's administration. We're going to be honest with you. It was an administration that was put in jeopardy. When election deniers stormed the Capitol in a failed attempt to stop Congress from certifying President Biden's election.

It was horrible. It was. Um I mean, we couldn't believe what we were seeing on television. What goes through your mind now when you see the rioters being pardoned by President Trump? I don't think it's right.

But from inauguration day on, Jill Biden set out to make the most of her time as First Lady, the first to hold a regular job outside the White House, teaching at a community college. And I can remember in a meeting when they said, well, you're not thinking of. continuing to teach and I said Yes, I am. It's always been my passion. I love my students.

And I so honor teachers. In fact, she cites a favorite State dinner as one honoring teachers, and she also traveled the country on behalf of her husband's administration, for example, urging people to get COVID vaccinations. I think most Americans like try to forget that chapter of America's life because it was so hard to live through a pandemic. But Joe came in and he picked up the pieces and he made sure that shots got in the arms and the vaccine got in the arms and that schools reopened. There were also lots of foreign trips, including going back and forth to France for D-Day commemorations.

During Son Hunter's trial on federal gun charges linked to his drug use. Even though I had a really busy schedule, I did what any other parent would do, and that is support their child. After Hunter Biden was convicted on all three counts, the President had a decision to make. President Biden had said that he would never pardon his son and then. He pardoned him.

Did you urge the President to think again about that?

Well, you know, Joe said in the beginning, I won't pardon Hunter, I won't pardon Hunter. And then uh And did you say And then the Justice Department changed. And I think that the process was not fair to to Hunter. But then when Trump was elected, things changed and we knew that he would target Hunter. and we just could not.

Let our son go to jail. on a charge. That no one would go, I mean, no one has ever gone to jail for. Did you urge the president to bargain? Oh, gosh.

Uh I truly supported it. I wanted him to pardon Hunter at that point. And I agreed with Joe. President Biden, for the first time in history, Also, preemptively pardoned other members of your family. Why did he decide to do that?

I suppose for the same reason that he felt that they would be targeted. Because you felt that the Trump Justice Department would target them, or the Trump administration would target them. Are you worried in publishing this book? that the Trump administration will come after you and your family? because you've just, you know, spoken out so much.

Am I worried about it? No, but I think it's a good idea. They can look. Joe's attacked every day. By things that are by negative things that are said by this administration.

So I don't think it's going to change. But you're not worried that this is going to, you know, precipitate an attack on your family? I hope not. In America, everything is possible. We believe every and anything is possible.

Joe Biden proudly touts her husband's accomplishments. He got legislation done. created more jobs in his four-year term than any other president. Look at all he did. I mean, look at the infrastructure bill and, you know, the American Rescue Plan.

But when she arrived at the first presidential debate of 2024, She saw that President Biden wasn't feeling well. Fight then Joe always, even if he was off a little bit, he'd always rally. And I thought, okay, so he'll get in there in that debate and he'll be fine. He's going to rally. But he got in there, he got into the debate, and he didn't.

making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person uh eligible for what I've been able to do with the uh with with with the COVID excuse me, with um dealing with everything we have to do with uh Uh Yeah. We finally beat Medicare. Were you horrified? as you saw it unfold. I wasn't horrified, I was frightened.

Because I had never Ever. seeing Joe like that. A four or since. Never since. Yes.

Order. No. Why did it happen? What happened? I don't know what happened.

I mean, as I watched it, I thought, oh my god, he's having a stroke. and it scared me to death. And then he he never seemed to um Find himself after that. Find himself, yeah, after that. But then, I mean, I have to tell you, as we were walking out, you know, he said, I really, and I'm not going to use the words because it's morning TV, but I really sort of messed up, didn't I?

And I said, yes, you did. And we left the stage area. And what people don't know, he had two events after that. And He was fine. I mean, he was fine.

It was inexplicable. But what if that had happened during a meeting with foreign leaders or something like that? I don't know how to answer that. But she and the rest of the Biden family thought he should keep running, despite increasing calls for him to step aside. He was still doing a great job as president.

He was still Doing the work every single day. And you say when people couldn't convince Joe. Two. Um quit. They began lobbying you.

Well Yes. Yeah. They did. That I should step in. But you believed he was fit to serve.

Yes. And when he was considering not running, you said, I don't want you to have my opinion. Why did you say that? It couldn't be me. It had to B His decision.

Whether he stayed in or got out, he had to live with that the rest of his life. It had to be his decision alone. And it was. What was going through your mind at that time? It was so hurtful.

Um to see many of the people that we really thought we're behind Joe to come out and attack him and, um You know, when you love somebody, specific names that you love. No, I'm not going to give any specific names. Like, what's the point of that? It's done, it's over. I mean, when you love somebody and you see people attacking them, I mean it's it's hard And so, believing that he had lost the backing of the Democratic Party.

Joe Biden dropped out of the presidential race.

So I've decided the best way forward. is to pass the torch to a new generation. And do you remember what he said to you? Jillie, I had no choice. That's what his nickname is for me.

And and how did you feel at that point? Heartbroken. And even today, she still thinks her husband would have made a good president. if he had stayed in the race. Of course he would have made a good president.

He made a good president the four years he was there. I mean to me He was the best president. Do you think you could be blinded by love? Of course I could be blinded by love. I hope that I am blinded by love.

But that's what you know, people say what a great president he was. You know, he was kind, he was empathetic, he was strong, he was steady. He um He did things for the good of American people. And I think that's a good idea. leader on the world stage and um I think that'll be Joe's legacy.

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It's a library where we give out human beings on loan and they'll be an open book for you and answer any question you have about the topic that they're offering. Ronnie Abergill founded the Human Library 26 years ago. To be clear, there are no physical books. The people are called books. All of our books are volunteers.

And can you leave the premises with the person? No, you can't. The rules are really simple. bring the book back on time and bring it back in the same condition. There are now human libraries in more than eighty countries, including six in the United States, with plans for more.

Most readings take place at public libraries, schools and universities, and on the Human Library website. The thirty minute sessions are free. The most popular books are typically books on mental health. Schizophrenia, bipolar, Autism, anxiety, depression, all of these topics are almost global bestsellers. My goal was to take out three books.

A lot of people assume that people with schizophrenia are either dangerous or helpless. That is definitely not the case. Thirty-three-year-old Christian Sana studied quantum physics in college and was diagnosed with anxiety and schizophrenia thirteen years ago. That's when he came to believe he was always being watched and wondered if the world he inhabited was fake. A thought popped into my head.

Maybe I'm fake. I might be a robot, and everything I've experienced up until now is just false memories implanted into my head.

So, in my psychotic mental state, I reached the conclusion if I am A robot or a hologram or something. Obviously, I don't have blood in my veins. I have. oil wires uh something.

So I go to the kitchen and pull out a knife. And it's worth mentioning at this point, this wasn't a a large dramatic suicidal thing. It was two very measured neat cuts. I even disinfected the knife beforehand. I realized, okay, there's a bit of blood there.

Cool, obviously I am human and the world around me is fake. Back to that theory. Sana took medication and started therapy and today is cherishing his family life. Right now, how are you feeling? I'm feeling good.

We train every person to be an open book because the methodology is a little unique. This is not about me telling a long story to you. It's about your curiosity guiding the conversation. What do you want to know the most about my topic? The Human Library is supported by private foundations and public donations.

And all the volumes, those sharing their life stories, are volunteers. You think that person is so different than you, but within half an hour you think, oh my god, I have a lot of common with that person. 37-year-old Noura Beetar is a political scientist from Syria who came to Denmark with her Danish husband at the age of 20. How well did you speak? Danish.

Nothing, nothing. I didn't speak a word of Danish. That was in March of twenty eleven, when pro-democracy protests against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad led to a violent government crackdown and civil war. Over all these years, how have you been treated?

Some people, I am the refugee. And I think I accepted that. Most of the people, especially in Copenhagen, were open about me. But I also heard a lot about like, you don't look like the typical refugee. What do they mean by that?

So I am very obviously confident, I'm proud, and I speak English, I speak fluent Danish. I think there's that stigma. Like a refugee should always be sad, I shouldn't be dressed nicely.

So there's a stigma about. Dressing well and speaking well and In Denmark, immigration policies have become more restrictive, and Bitar is still awaiting Danish citizenship.

Now, after getting divorced, she looks forward to her second marriage. but still struggles with her traumatic past. Do you ever dream of Syria? I do. When I first came, I always dreamt that I was a bride walking and there are gunshots in my wedding dress.

It kind of like haunted me that I survived because I lost friends, I lost family members, and I always felt like I have that survival guilt even until today.

So my PTSD was always Picture me as somebody who also got shot, even in my wedding dress.

So I don't know, I'm still struggling. Every time I dream about Syria now, am I Gonna be sad. Is there any question that a book won't answer? Sure, every book has their boundaries. If you go beyond the boundaries of what they're comfortable talking about, they'll know to say to you, I'm sorry, but those pages have not been published yet.

I have never met anybody from Greenland before. Fifty five year old Viva Olson, an indigenous Greenlander, remembers a childhood in nature. It's been a very wonderful upbringing because the first thing you get to do when you're just an infant. is to go out sailing and hunting. What do you hunt?

We hunt reindeer. We we'd hunt polar bears, birds and uh First. And seals, lots of seals. Can you sing any like lullaby in in Greenlandic or anything? That's Brother Jack.

She had no trouble moving to Denmark in 2009 as Greenland is a self-governing territory that's part of Denmark. Today, Olson is an aide to patients in psychiatric units. Before President Trump, express his desire to own Greenland. Did people there pay any attention or much attention to President Johnson? No, we'd always seen America as the land of milk and honey and friendly whose interest and presence in Greenland was uh benign.

Olson has happy memories of American soldiers stationed in her native country. They were well loved. Santa Claus will come by Chopper. and he would bring us presents and it was basically the American soldiers who'd chipped in and bought a lot of presents for the kids. That was really sweet.

How old were you when that happened? I was six years old. Because what happens when I'm not afraid of you and you have nothing to fear from me? Our quality of life goes up. All of our life quality could go up if we were more understanding and accepting.

Ronnie Abergail says they have already reached millions and, just maybe, are changing lives. Reflecting the human library's goal to Unjudge someone. We don't have to be best friends, all of us here, but we need to try and understand each other. Thank you for listening. Please join us when our trumpet sounds again next Sunday morning.

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