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That's mysleepasap.com. How did I miss that? I actually forgot that it's the hump show, that it's the middle show of the work week. I think I'm a little bit upside down and that typically happens during Super Bowl week even though we're not doing the same mad blitz with interviews that we have done in the past. As I start decade number two of Super Bowls on CBS Sports Radio, we obviously are trying a few different ideas, some fresh and fun content. So far we have done three videos.

The third one has yet to be posted. You'll find it on Twitter within the hour after our CBS. So if you missed the original Super Six, the Super Six OG, it's a Super Bowl edition of Ask Amy Anything. It's on our YouTube channel, named after the show.

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My mom did. And it is the second episode in our Super Six series, which deals with snoozers. Oh, also the two quarterbacks of the upcoming Super Bowl make a cameo in that.

I just, I don't think it's because this game is going to be a snoozer. And then pretty soon you will get our Twitter video, which is shorter, right? Because Twitter only lasts about two minutes and 20 seconds. And this Super Six episode is about halftime shows.

And again, Jay was doing some fun elements, some fun computer graphics, but also we have an NFL MVP who makes a cameo. So that's going to be on Twitter soon. Lots of stuff going on.

You can find us after our CBS, or you can find me on Twitter, A Law Radio. We're glad to have you with us here on this hump show. The big story, of course, LeBron James becomes the NBA's all time scoring leader with 38,390 points.

I dare say he's headed for 40,000, but that will be somewhere down the road. We got to get our focus back on football, at least for just a little bit, right? To give us a bit of a break. So had a chance to catch up with Rodney McLeod, a long time NFL safety. He played for the Eagles when they won their only Super Bowl in franchise history.

And now has spent a year with the Colts. You want to talk about a typical unconventional season. We went through all of it when I spoke to Rodney earlier on Tuesday.

I remembered him as being a great talker, very open. Now this conversation takes the cake. Of course, during Super Bowl week, it's about the event, right? It's about the memories. If you've ever been able to play in a Super Bowl, to win a Super Bowl, certainly that has to be where you start. Rodney, what do you remember about that game between the Eagles and the Patriots? About that moment when you became a Super Bowl champion? Yeah, what I remember most is being Tom Brady. Him and Belichick, man, are a dynamic duo that created a dynasty there with the Patriots.

And it's hard to do. And I think, you know, when I really reflect on that Super Bowl year, you just really think about the memories that were created that year. And of course, the brothers and the friendships that were made as well and result of us having a successful season. And it was special. It was one that, like I said, I would never forget. But of course, you know, when you think about the week of the Super Bowl, it just was a lot. You know, all the media frenzy to, you know, ticket requests to all the, you know, different events and celebratory things that they have planned for each team. You know, it's easily, you can easily get distracted. But, you know, you have to find that balance and find a way to not only enjoy the Super Bowl because there's no guarantee that you'll ever be back, but find a way to also make sure you stay in the moment and understand why you're there to, you know, finish it off.

But I had an amazing time. And of course, it's always, it makes it a lot, you know, better when you do end up on the right side of the Super Bowl and that's in the winning column. Brady just announced his retirement and it seems as though this time it will stick for Brady. What made him such a difficult quarterback to game plan for, Rodney? He capitalizes on every mistake that you make or every mistake that you have put on tape. They do a fine job at going back and dissecting, you know, from start to finish your season or even seasons before. And when I really think about that game and, you know, we laugh about it now, but they really attacked us in so many different, in a different way. Every single drive, you know, they had an emphasis, like, okay, have you correct? Have you made this fix here in your coverage?

What about this? You know, and so they're constantly making you think, but I think the best thing that they do is their adjustments, you know, as the game is going on. And we talked about that leading into that game. And one of the things, you know, we did at halftime was also, you know, make certain adjustments and it was completely two different halves. You know, you see that first half kind of being a chess match on both sides. It was very tight game. And then the second half it was, you know, neither defense could like stop the offense. So it was interesting, you know, like I said, man, I'm glad we won, but you know, Tom Brady and Belicheck make it very difficult.

You think about this Eagles team, and I know you have teammates that are still part of it, though, obviously a lot of the squad has turned over from when you all won in 2018. Jaylen Hurts, he has really taken his game to the next level. So while we're talking quarterbacks, what impresses you about his game? I think what impresses me most about Jaylen this year is his decision making and, you know, his ability to be able to make the right decisions throwing the ball down the field. And then also, you know, when he does need to use his legs, you know, he's being very mindful of not taking those, you know, big hits. And I think that's what you want to see when, you know, nowadays you have all of these running quarterbacks, you know, such as the Hurts, the Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.

And I think one thing you fear most as a head coach and organization is the risk of them getting hurt. And so I think he's done a good job at managing that, knowing when to run. But like I said, more importantly, what's impressive is decision making and his calmness.

You know, that's always been there, but you can really see how it affects the entire team. And this great poise, man, you know, it's like he's been there before, but he's so young. And I think, you know, that's what's impressive. And to see his growth over time from when he first entered, you know, as a rookie in Philly, and now seeing him having to go against him this year, you know, I told him, I said, it's great to watch you, you know, from afar, you know, just wishing you all the best. And, you know, now he's put himself in position to, you know, be able to host up the Lombardi this upcoming Sunday.

We're spending a few minutes with Rodney McLeod, our second consecutive Super Bowl week in which we get to catch up with him is after hours here on CBS Sports Radio. You had quite a year in which you picked up and you left Philadelphia after six years and you played for the Colts. What was it like for you, Rodney, to start fresh with a new franchise?

It was hard, to be honest. Being a part of, you know, Philly for six years, that became my home and that's all I knew. And so the hardest part was just leaving, you know, the locker room, the relationships I formed over the years. And then I guess it extends, you know, outside of the locker room as well into the city. And so, you know, now having to switch locker rooms, the one thing you're hoping is that God's welcome you open arms and hopefully it's something similar to your experience, you know, wherever you, you know, coming from. And I noticed that quickly that, you know, this was a good locker room. Guys, you know, a mixed bag of players, you know, both old and young and some guys right in the middle. So the chemistry there and the closeness was there from, you know, beginning to end, which, you know, I really credit to, you know, us being able to stay together despite what happened throughout the year. But it was, it was a hard transition at first, but I think what it did was it also re-energized me, re-motivated me and just, well, I felt like, man, I'm a rookie again. Like I'm stepping into a locker room where a lot of people don't know exactly who I am. You know, you got people telling me, and I used you on Madden when you were at the Eagles.

So that's just, it just puts things in perspective for me when I got there and, you know, I really wanted to prove, to prove not only to myself, but to my teammates that man, like at a year 11, I still can, can play and do it at a high level and was just looking to make an impact really and be, be helpful any way I can. I'm not sure there was a franchise that had an odder year, a stranger year than the Colts. And we'll talk about it, but I have to ask you about your week 18 moment. That was your first career pick six against the Houston Texans in week 18. Yeah, it was man.

I lost out coming first pick six of my career and you know, who would have thought year 11, that it would take this long, I guess, but at least I can say to my friends and future kids that, you know, I was able to, to check that off the list. Not just that, but you were able to race down the sideline, essentially smack the pylon with the football and get in and kind of this dramatic style. Do you remember what you were thinking as you're closing in on the pylon? And you know that there, I guess it was Davis Mills who was near you, right? Do you remember what was going through your mind?

Yeah, I honestly thought it was going to be just easy walking. And, uh, when I, when I kind of like looked up after, like I gave a quick burst, I saw him just standing there and I'm like, I really thought to myself, do I cut back and risk, you know, him clipping me up knee goes down at the one, just my luck. I have, I had a few of those moments where I've got tackle and like the 10 or something. So I said, let's just race it, race to the pylon.

I'll physical him, uh, and then use my receiver skills from high school and, and reach out for that pylon. Wasn't the first time I've done that in my football, uh, career. So felt good, man. And it was, uh, uh, came at a very pivotal moment in the game and we needed a spark. And so I'm glad I was able to capitalize on the opportunity.

Well, congratulations. It wasn't just a pick six. It was a highlight, real pick six, and you can't get tackled by a quarterback.

So they're talking about that forever. Well, let's talk about the season that was with the Colts. Um, not just the losses, which I knew can be hard. You'd known Frank from your time in Philadelphia. So the coaching change where a former player comes out of a broadcast booth and ends up as your head coach, even now, there's still no head coach. So how would you describe the last 12 months of being a member of the Indianapolis Colts Rodney? Yeah, it honestly was, you know, a roller coaster. Uh, it, it felt as if like there was three different seasons just because of all the change that happened, uh, over the course of the year. And, uh, like, uh, uh, alluded to earlier, you know, when moments like that happen and you face, uh, you know, the level of, I guess, crisis that we went through, you know, normally you might have people who, you know, just kind of go their own way.

But, you know, one thing that, you know, I recognize and saw was the fight in, in everybody. Um, and you know, the leader is kind of taking control of the team and bringing everyone together and us understanding, man, like nobody's going to feel necessarily sorry for us. And, and of course, you know, we had a stretch where of course we lost, I think, six or seven in a row, but, you know, I think everybody still came to work, um, committed and going into each game, you know, hoping that, you know, we would, uh, come out of it. So, you know, it was a rough one, but you know, that's when you really lean on your leaders and your team to, uh, really hold everybody tight, uh, during those moments and just, you know, weather the storm. That was your first year in the locker room. Did you feel a responsibility as someone who has logged over a decade in the NFL to step into that space and try to keep the locker room together? Oh yeah.

Most definitely. I think, uh, unfortunately I've experienced the season something, uh, similar record wise in 2020 with the Eagles. And that was my first time stepping into the captain role, you know, with the Eagles after the departure of a good friend, Malcolm Jenkins and a few others. And I learned a lot from that season. And the one thing I, I re was very proud of myself is that, you know, I made sure the morale was still high in the locker room and God still, um, had something to, uh, play for in a sense and that we stay together. And so I try to demonstrate that the best way I could, you know, this past season, it was really all about your actions and the things that you're, you speak about and trying to find some positivity out of the rough situation where it looks like it's a very dark place, but you got to find some light out there and really hold Sean to that.

And, and so that's what I tried to do is every day I walked into that, to the building is, you know, be positive and, uh, be present more importantly, and focused on how be a solution, you know, and, and not, uh, continue on with the problem at hand. I hear from a lot of athletes who've suffered through serious injuries like you have, and have had the game be taken away for a time that they never take it for granted. You're still playing into decade. Number two, you worked hard to get back to the point where you can play regardless of how difficult it is. It's still validating for you and all the work you did that you're still out there. You still get the chance every week.

Oh yes. A hundred percent being able to play the game, you know, and battling injuries and seeing guys, you know, get cut throughout training camp or week five of the regular season, just put things in perspective, you know, when you played over a decade, you've seen it all. And I try to constantly remind, you know, my, my fellow teammates of that, you know, guys who are just entering the league. And I think a lot has to do with just comfortability and understanding that, you know, you never really have it. You never, uh, you've never really done until you, you know, you completely walk away. And so as long as you have a jersey and helmet, man, hold that seat as long as you can.

And you do that by, you know, bringing your best and being your best every single day. It's a long time NFL safety now with the Colts, Rodney McLeod with us here after hours on CBS sports radio, you say you've seen everything right after 11 years, except Jeff Saturday was called out of the broadcast booth and into your locker room as the head coach. So that was kind of a new one. Uh, I can imagine there was a reaction in your locker room. What did you hear from Jeff as he stood in front of the team that that second half of the year and you guys kind of had to pull it together for a guy who didn't have any coaching experience? Yeah, I think Jeff from day one was honest with us and I think anybody would tell you, you know, honesty is the answer to, to it all. And he, he kept it real. Um, he told us, you know, he didn't have much experience, but you know, what he did have was his passion, uh, for the organization passion, for the team passion for the game. Uh, and he's driven and you know, that's what has gotten him to the point that he is now in his career and what allowed him to play as long as he did and be a ring of honor and, and all the famers, like those, those sorts of intangibles, you know, the passion, the heart, you know, the mindset and being committed and driven, like those things, you know, matter and will, you know, get him through, uh, this time of, of, uh, of inexperience.

Right. And so all he asked from us was, you know, just bring your best man and let's try to find a way to, um, all this, you know, put good things out on tape and play for one another and play hard and be committed to the grind and the process throughout the week. Uh, he really emphasized that and always just kept it real simple, you know, every single week, what our objectives or goals were going into the week. But one thing he always did was he held guys accountable, uh, from the minute he stepped in, you know, he wasn't afraid to, um, you know, challenge us because it's all about productivity. It's all about success.

And if, you know, of course, everybody has been living up to their fullest potential, you know, how do you try to maximize it and how do you try to correct what is going on? So I commend Jeff, you know, for stepping in and giving him his all and, and really, you know, going to battle with us. So it wasn't then as weird as what people were saying from the outside. No, I don't think, of course, when everybody saw the higher, you know, of course, Oh, wait, Jeff Saturday. I know I'm a former player, but now he's on TV. So you know, how did that happen? But like I said, I think it had a lot to do with just his character, man. Uh, his character says it says a lot.

Uh, he has a lot of respect from, uh, fellow peers and colleagues, obviously in media field now, but, you know, he gained the respect of us as well, um, over his time. And it, of course, it didn't end the way that we wanted it to. We all wanted, you know, Hey, just comes in here. We win the first game. We're going to go seven and no, and we're going to make the playoffs, you know, that it didn't happen, but well, well, what did happen was we found out a lot about each one of us, but then our locker room in the midst of adversity, which is so important.

It's one of the reasons why I think everybody should play sports is because it builds character when it doesn't go your way. You just told me that moving to Indianapolis kind of gave you a fresh perspective, new start. In some ways you felt like you were starting all over again in the NFL after year 11, which was a tough one, as we've talked about. Do you still have that anticipation for year 12? Yeah, it's something that I've, I've been battling with, I guess, over the course of the past couple of weeks and even like a little, like just throughout the season, uh, you know, what next year would look like, you know, will there be a next year or is this your last run? And, you know, I think as the season is going on, you just really stay in the moment and now using time to just reflect on, you know, the past year and how I feel, uh, you know, both physically and mentally about the game. And, and so, uh, just really enjoying the time off and, uh, I feel like I still have more to give to the game. Uh, but you know, we'll, we'll see, you know, how, how I feel in the next month or so as, as things start to, uh, get real, uh, and free agency opens up. So just to clarify, you haven't yet decided if you're going to play another season, you're still thinking about it. Yeah.

Right now. I'm just, I'm having conversations obviously with my wife, uh, family, uh, you know, it's a, it's a topic that comes up even, you know, with friends, of course, is, you know, what are you going to do next year? Like, what does next year look like? And like I said, I think I proved a lot to myself this past year and proved, I think to, you know, viewers as well that, you know, I still am capable of playing at a high level, uh, when healthy. And I think that was the biggest thing I was most proud about is, is being able to complete a year, uh, fully healthy and plan, you know, a hundred percent of the snaps while I was out there. And that is what I'm accustomed to. So of course, with that, that takes a toll on your body.

It doesn't get a little, doesn't get any easier, uh, at a year 11. And so, yeah, I'm, um, I, you know, I would say I'm more so definitely leaning towards, you know, returning, uh, but at the same time, I can't necessarily say a hundred percent whether that's true or not. Well, I appreciate the honesty before I let you go. I know last year we talked about your foundation at the time it was Philadelphia. So now that you're in Indianapolis or you played a year there, what's the latest with your foundation, your change, our future foundation and its mission.

We are doing a lot. Uh, we actually did do a few things in Indianapolis, which was great. Hosted our Turkey drive there. And then we also did our total day, the Christmas initiative.

Uh, one of the big initiatives we have is a filler cart. And so we were able to take 15 families to Meyers out there and, and be able to just put some smiles on their face and, and give them some, uh, some holiday cheer, um, as they prepare for Christmas. So that was great. Getting used to the community there, introducing ourselves community really responded well to, to us.

So that was great. And hoping to, um, really expand some of our programs this year. We have our next man up program that's at Parkway Northwest here in Philadelphia. It's a mentorship program and looking to expand and add one or two more schools this upcoming school year. And another thing we're excited about is kicking off our, our lit program, which is very focused on, uh, literacy and reading and trying to, um, increase the scores there and things of that nature. So super excited that is looking to be implemented in not only, uh, Philadelphia, but, uh, in the Annapolis as well.

Uh, we also have our sneaker ball coming up in June. We're going to push out to save the day for that, uh, probably in the next coming weeks. So a lot of great stuff, uh, just excited to continue to serve others. Change our future.org. And as you're talking, I'm thinking as hard as it was to leave Philadelphia and as tough as it was to start over, you're now impacting another community and reaching a bunch of different youth.

So yes, change our future.org. And then you can find Rodney on Twitter at Rodney underscore McLeod for long time NFL safety. Most recently spending the year with the Colts, the season that was super bowl champions.

So that matters this time of the year. It's great to catch up with you again, Rodney, appreciate your honesty and your openness and a few minutes of your time. All right. Thank you so much.

Take care. Second consecutive year. We've had the chance to catch up with Rodney McLeod and he was in Philadelphia, not on radio row. Uh, so that happens whether or not we're in Phoenix, really grateful for how authentic he is in the moment from the struggles to the need for leadership, even as the losses are stacking up to the coaching change and what he heard from Jeff Saturday, how that team stays together through everything that he described as a roller coaster. And then of course his first career pick six, which is fantastic.

You can definitely not get tackled by Davis mills. All of our conversations are podcasted separately. So if you miss anything, please, please check out the link that we post every weekday morning on Twitter after our CBS on our Facebook page as well. Or you can just bookmark our podcast page on the Odyssey website, which is our parent company. I know many of you listen on demand and that means a lot to us. It really boosts our numbers, but more than that, it keeps us connected. Even when you can't listen live and Rodney is worth listening to again or sharing.

Thanks so much for hanging out with us. It is our hump show. LeBron is your big story.

Kyrie, your second biggest story in the NBA. But since we have a shorter segment coming back, we'll hear from the two quarterbacks who are gearing up for Superbowl Sunday, Patrick and Jalen, first two African American quarterbacks to compete in a Superbowl at the same time. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio.

You are listening to the after hours podcast. Hurts again under center. He sneaks, he pushes and he is in touchdown Jalen Hurts. Bengals four man rush. Mahomes trying to buy some time on that bad ankle moving to his right. He is now scrambling and he's going to get a first down and now gets hit late. He gets hit late. He gets hit late. Mahomes gets hit late. It'll be a 15 yard penalty on top of the game.

And the game should be bound to the 35 yard line. This is after hours with Amy Lawrence. Familiar voices, Meryl Reese on Eagles Radio, Mitch Holtus on Chiefs Radio. We're running a little bit late after that awesome conversation with Rodney McLeod. I texted Jay when it was done and I said you are going to love this. No joke even better than our conversation last year and his honesty about Jeff Saturday and that whole situation in the Colts locker room. How difficult it was to lose but to focus on leadership and keeping the team together and recognizing that the losses may mount but you can't just fall apart internally. And then his thoughts on Jalen Hurts and the Eagles as he was there for the first two years of Jalen's career. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Jalen has more rushing touchdowns in a season than any other quarterback in history and the Eagles have more rushing touchdowns as a team than any other in other in history.

So we talked about this a little bit. 15 rushing TDs for Jalen which broke Cam Newton's record and the Eagles as a whole including the playoffs 39 rushing touchdowns and Nick Sirianni says actually that ability that dual threat gives him great confidence in Jalen not to mention the mental approach. No matter what happens on that drive all right we could score a touchdown we could turn the ball over he could make a a bad read a bad throw he has the same look on his face coming off that field no matter what.

You don't. I definitely don't. I definitely I think we balance each other pretty well. He's just got he's just got this great steadiness about him and that and when the guys are in the huddle looking at him and he's steady I mean that's that's important. When I go into these new situations transferring from school to school going into the NFL locker room whatever it is I think it's important to earn the respect of your people or your peers about what you do about your action that that that then gives you the opportunity to lead vocally let your voice be heard but you have to learn the lay of the land. Jalen is noted over and over for his calm his poise his cool demeanor and his good decision making under fire and under pressure.

We just heard that from Rodney McLeod his former teammate in Philadelphia. We hear it from Nick Sirianni he stays even keel and think about where he started at Alabama right he lost his job to Tuatunga Veloa at Alabama and then he transfers he finishes out his his undergrad there he transfers to Oklahoma where he is the starting quarterback in the Lincoln Riley system so he's had some incredible training at the highest levels of college football and that certainly prepares him for what will take place in the NFL with all the the attention the spotlight but it's also inherent it's a quality in Jalen that he has used for years to be able to stay cool even when all hell is breaking loose around him. Patrick Mahomes does the same thing now he has different movements different motions certainly a different build than Jalen Hurts but he can extend place he keeps his head up like a point guard he's always looking around to see what's going to unfold even on one and a half legs right even with that bum ankle what do we see him do he surveyed the landscape on that third and four he realizes the best option is for him to hobble and he pick up the first down with what 10 11 seconds to go in an AFC championship he's able to pick up that first down because of his poise and and also because his ankle held up. The ankle's getting better and better obviously this rest is going to help out a ton but they got a couple fast guys on their team as well so I might have to pass that miles per hour this week. I hope he passes the miles per hour that he reached with a bum ankle with a high ankle sprain let's hope that he is able to to feel a little better and and to kind of feel more solid with that ankle third Super Bowl in four years for the Chiefs I mean they're one of the best organizations in the league now. It's special man the whole whole organization I mean all the way up to Clark Hunt everybody's on the same page um and obviously we made some huge moves this off season but there was a plan I think that was a big there's a plan from the owner all the way down to the the equipment and to the training staff we had a plan of how we were gonna how we were gonna execute and how we were gonna be back in this position and that speaks to the organization the relationship that we have is everybody's on the same page we know what the goal is and how we're going to achieve it.

The Chiefs revamped their receiving core and their secondary this year they've got a ton of first-year players who are on the field in critical roles and yet they won well 14 regular season games now 16 games into the Super Bowl again that's a credit to yes Brett Veach it's also a credit to the coaching staff and even though it's a lot of new guys who've never been in this position before the leadership sets the tone although Travis Kelcey is very busy these days we'll hear from him uh coming up as well as Aaron Rodgers who has a new plan what's the longest you've ever spent in darkness Marco? Uh I don't know I never really thought of it you know camping is one thing but to isolate yourself in darkness for four days or whatever it is with with nothing I don't understand how that brings you more in touch with your emotions and your feelings. How could you possibly say that? Yeah I mean I see what they're going for there I will say it must be cool to have money uh because basically his vacation is to go in the hole he's basically in jail they're going in the hole that that's that's you know this is you know Riker's Island this is basically what he wants to do with money just do it must be cool. Why can you just do it at home then? I'm the first one I like seclusion so if you said like a vacation hey you get two weeks and you're by yourself I'd be like great. I take vacays by myself with my dog that's not the point but in a hole why do you need to be in a dark hole? The thing I don't get is I yeah the the no tv the no mute like that makes sense I know social media okay I get all of that the total darkness and not being able to leave or do anything else to me seems a little strange like if I want to go for a walk I'm still not I'm thinking but I'm still kind of like you know isolated yeah that to me is a little bit over the top but hey you know what go enjoy it. What is he sleeping on the ground? Uh from what it sounded like he's in a little house so he can you know walk around he can in the darkness that's the thing like you can't see too well so I don't think you're gonna walk around much and I can't imagine there's too many things there because you're probably gonna you know I'm assuming he won't forget stuff your toe you're gonna bust your ass at some point if like you go around too far he won't be doing his interview with Pat McAfee so I wonder if this will be a little bit like ayahuasca it's only four days I mean the interviews are once a week so I went through the winter of death and survived all right great can't wait to hear all about it it's after hours with Amy Lawrence here's our latest sports update I'm curious about the hallucination part like I don't see why we're hallucinating I'm not even curious anymore oh yeah what are you taking that you're hallucinating like that's what I mean like you just sit in a room by yourself like I could see you getting a little stir-crazy hallucinating apparently there's some substances in his dark hole a week or two like yeah maybe I could see you getting a little four days you're hallucinating already that seems a bit extreme you are listening to the after hours podcast Westbrook with it give it to Lebron at the right elbow Lebron one-on-one against Kenrick Williams backing him in turns shoots scores there he is is all hail the new king in town young and old gather round from one iconic laker to another the king Lebron James has passed the captain Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Lebron now stands alone as the NBA's all-time leading scorer 38 338 points and counting Lebron stands alone at the top the game has been stopped as Lebron signals to his family to come on to the court and everybody on their feet at Staples Center I was able to get to a really good spot on the floor where I'm very comfortable with and get to one of my patented fadeaway shots you know and I know a lot of people wanted me to go to the sky hook to break the record or one of my signature dunks but my favorite was the signature play as well and I was able to get it and it touched nothing but the bottom of the net and that was uh that was pretty cool this is after hours with Amy Lawrence Lebron James on the basket that broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's all-time scoring record what a moment in history he had 20 points in the first half of a game against the thunder in Los Angeles a few hours ago 16 points in the third quarter and that basket happened with just 10 seconds left in the quarter then they stopped the game for 10 minutes before they ended up resuming that game thunder win not that anyone will remember that uh but Lebron takes the the basketball and the torch the proverbial torch from Kareem on the court and he then speaks to the crowd an emotional Lebron James and Kareem gracious enough to be out there and be part of the moment to hand the basketball to Lebron almost as though he's handing off the crown if you will and then Kareem himself spoke to TNT April 1984 was when he set the record I thought it it had every chance of being broken uh just said have to have somebody that the offense focused on uh continually you know gaming game out the the offense focused on them and uh enable him or a player like myself to accumulate a whole lot of scoring so one point that some of you have sent to me on both twitter and facebook it is worth using or worth noting I should say there was no three-point flurry the three-pointer was not the favorite shot of the NBA when Kareem was setting the scoring record so Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had one triple in his entire career Lebron James has thousands of them and so yes you you can compare the two but only to a point because just like trying to determine who's the greatest of all time when you go cross eras Michael Jordan or Lebron James or maybe you believe it's a different player Wilt Bill Russell whatever it's nearly impossible to compare them in a linear fashion because you can't look at the errors and say all the other variables are equal because that's not true so for Lebron James to be able to eclipse this record in 20 seasons he did have the help or have the benefit of being able to shoot three-pointers the league didn't adopt the three-pointer until 1979 so again it was late in that run for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar he set the record five years later now it doesn't take away from Lebron's longevity it doesn't take away from his durability it doesn't take away from the fact that he scored for years and years and years and years at a very high level especially the physical way that he plays the game none of that can be diminished by what he's accomplished only to say that not only have the rules changed they now facilitate scoring in every sport NFL NHL Major League Baseball and obviously the NBA the rules have changed there's no more hand checking really it's it's not as much a contact sport as it used to be so there are a ton more free throws and how often do we see in today's NBA three-pointer three-pointer three-pointer three-pointer they just they don't necessarily run up and down the 94 feet instead they go from arc to arc three-point arc to three-point arc they don't use the entire shot clock they just jack up a shot from deep that is today's NBA and I've told you before I hate it I miss the mid-range jumper but fittingly because the Lebron spans eras his record-breaking shot was from the elbow it was not a three-pointer congratulations to Lebron what a night for the NBA for Adam Silver for Kareem for history it's after hours CBS Sports Radio Tess here I've always had problems sleeping and once I fall asleep I couldn't stay asleep I searched getting to sleep ASAP so check this out sleep ASAP is a real product by Nutra strips it's not a pill or drug it's this amazing little thin strip you put right on your tongue and it activates immediately tastes great too best night's sleep ever go to my sleep asap.com and discover how you can try 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