2-8-23 After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 4

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That's mysleepasap.com. Here is LeBron dribbling around a pick from Thomas Bryant, left-hand layup. Good and a foul and LeBron shaking his head at the crowd like they can't stop me. LeBron for three.

Got it. He's 11 points away. LeBron pulls up for three. Gone.

The crowd all on its feet. That comes OKC the other way. Here comes Gitti. Throws it off LeBron's foot. Picked up by Westbrook. Here come the Lakers four on two. LeBron down the middle. To the rim and in. Six points away. LeBron has 30. Westbrook's got it. Westbrook to LeBron.

Put it up and in. Four points away. Rebound loose.

Who's got it? Anthony David saves it. Troy Brown ahead to Lonnie Walker. To LeBron. He's two points away. LeBron is two points away.

Time out Oklahoma City. That was the build-up. Listen to the crowd in Los Angeles where it just worked out perfectly for LeBron James, for the Lakers, for the celebrities. Not just the basketball type. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson in the house but Hollywood celebrities who shelled out thousands and thousands of dollars hoping that they chose the right game. Well once they got to halftime and LeBron had 20 points against the Thunder it was evident that it was happening in that second half. Though who would have known that he would get hot in that third quarter and that with mere seconds remaining in the third quarter he would have a chance to set the NBA's all-time scoring record. Westbrook with it. Give it to LeBron at the right elbow.

LeBron one-on-one against Kenrick Williams backing him in. Turns. Shoots. Scores.

There he is. All hail the new king in town. Young and old gather round from one iconic Laker to another. The king LeBron James has passed the captain Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and LeBron now stands alone as the NBA's all-time leading scorer. 38,338 points and counting. LeBron stands alone at the top. The game has been stopped as LeBron signals to his family to come on to the court and everybody on their feet at Staples Center. He needed 36. LeBron ends up with 38 in the game. Only had two points in the fourth quarter. The history made with a roughly 10 seconds to go in that third quarter and yes as you hear with John Ireland the game is stopped.

Everything comes to a grinding halt for this piece of history. 20 seasons, 1410 games, 38,390 points and one ceremonial basketball in which Adam Silver, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar they pass the ball but they also pass the crown to LeBron. For nearly 40 years which Kareem many people thought would never be broken. LeBron you are the NBA's all-time scoring leader. Congratulations. To my beautiful wife, my daughter, my two boys, my friends, my boys, my family, my mother, all my everybody that's ever been a part of this run with me the last 20 years, 20 plus years I just want to say I thank you so much because I wouldn't be me without y'all. All y'all help, all y'all passion, all y'all sacrifice has helped me get to this point and to the NBA, to Adam Silver, to the late great David Stern I thank you guys so much for allowing me to be a part of something I've always dreamed about and I would never ever in a million years dreamt this even better than what it is tonight so f*** man thank you guys. It was quite the electric atmosphere there as you can imagine. I couldn't help but think if LeBron hadn't started out hot with the 20 points in the first half you had all these people who had shelled out thousands of dollars to be in the arena what if they had picked the wrong night but they did not and he had plenty of time to spare though he told us last week that he was exhausted and just wanted to get this whole thing over with.

It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. Yes it is likely that he's going to continue to add to his scoring hall, not retiring anytime soon, wants to play with his son, both of his sons, his daughter, his wife, his mom, other family in attendance. It was sweet. It was an emotional moment for him and for his kids actually if you have not checked out the NBA twitter look this morning because there's a split screen video that the NBA put together where you've got LeBron with a couple of dribbles across the free throw line and he half turns he fades away from the left elbow for the shot that made history as he's doing that there's a capture on the bottom whereas two sons who are courtside both have their phones out they're filming the moment and reacting at the same time so it's kind of cool to see the juxtaposition of history and his family's reaction and then yes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar coming out onto the court right away there's been some friction between the two Kareem has not always been complementary of the way that LeBron has carried himself and played the game but on this night he was humble he handed the ball with an embrace to LeBron and LeBron also asked for the crowd to give him a standing ovation and so there was a nice moment between the two they took photos and Kareem was complementary of him afterwards on TNT. LeBron's career is one of someone who planned to dominate this game he got out of high school he had the size and the talent to step right into the NBA and he immediately started to have his effect and you know it's gone for almost 20 years now you know he has that indefinable essence that they call leadership you know he gets out there on the court and tries to get things done guys want to get behind him and see that that happens because they have that much respect for him and his talent. I want to congratulate LeBron James on becoming the NBA all-time leading scorer what a feat I never thought that Kareem's scoring record would be broken by anybody but that says how special you are man and what you've done for the game of basketball worldwide you've changed the game of basketball and I from the bottom of my heart just want to say thank you but also it means even more to to myself and to all fans because you're wearing that purple and gold and brokered as a Laker so congratulations. The voice of Magic Johnson unmistakable whose life and career are intertwined with that franchise Kareem Abdul-Jabbar who played for multiple franchises but did not set the record until April of 1984. I mean think about that April of 1984 and that was before LeBron James was born so nearly 40 years in the making and now LeBron has scored more points than any other player who's ever put on an NBA uniform so a couple of things that struck me number one when LeBron was choosing his next destination when he was deciding on LA and he has many business interests we know there are reasons why he wanted to be in LA and and it wasn't just basketball but I wonder did he think if I continue playing him of averaging this many points maybe he didn't do the math but someone around him did the math how incredible to break the record in a Lakers uniform it's different when it's the Lakers and so he passes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has the new scoring record likely will end up north of 40,000 points because he stated he wants to play with his son and Bronny is not ready he's still a couple years away from getting into the NBA and so similar to Tom Brady that was my other thought these two athletes celebrated within a week of each other for their history and the impact on their respective games now Brady retires at 45 and the tributes come in but the reflections on his place in history as the greatest quarterback the the winningest quarterback not just that but think about the records that he owns that may never be broken either may I say may because the field and the court tip more and more in favor of the offense some of you have pointed out the majority of Kareem's career was before the three-pointer was adopted in the NBA he only had one made three-pointer in his career that wasn't his game he was a classic center the hook shot do you know how many times the hook shot crushed my soul as a girl who was growing up as a Celtics fan and so the careers were different the eras are different this is not an argument of greatest of all time it's not a subjective discussion it's not a debate he has scored more points than any other in history and I know people rail against that the same they rail against Barry Bonds being the home run king the numbers are inflated the three-point shot and LeBron has more than 2,200 made three-pointers but you cannot deny the longevity you cannot deny the productivity over 20 seasons and nearly 38,400 points even in this inflated scoring era do you know if you look at the list of all-time scorers the only other player in the top 10 who's even remotely active and he's not currently on a roster is Carmelo Anthony Carmelo is more than 10,000 points behind LeBron James and then you think about players who are actually out there not quite night after night but out there still collecting points currently Kevin Durant is 14th but he's nearly 12,000 points behind LeBron James you have to go down to almost the bottom of the top 40 to find Steph Curry Chris Paul's still active he's he and Steph are 38th and 39th so as much as the numbers are inflated because of the way the rules and the game itself has morphed into a much more offensive game right so the the rules similar to the NFL the NHL even major league baseball where the rules now favor the offense they facilitate scoring and motion and space it's not even a contact sport anymore half the time and and that's a debate for a different day but I've already told you how much I miss when basketball was a contact sport even then LeBron still is surrounded at least in the top 10 the top 15 by primarily players who are no longer active they're retired hall of famers most of them it blew me away to hear Stan Van Gundy on the TNT broadcast say that there are only seven guys within 10,000 points of the number that LeBron has set and he will continue to add to that it's after hours with Amy Lawrence here on CBS Sports Radio just like Tom Brady there's something to be said for the time the effort the years the devotion the dedication the commitment the blood the sweat the tears all of that these records don't just happen because you show up and so sure there's more scoring these days the three-pointer is more prominent in the game than I would like but LeBron's not a three-point specialist and you can only inflate using my air quotations the record so much you can only inflate the scoring so much he deserves credit for the number of games he's logged he's deserved he deserves credit for this being his craft going back to the days when he was labeled the chosen one in a cover story by Sports Illustrated. LeBron himself on the moment on the bucket that set the record. I was able to get to a really good spot on the floor where I'm very comfortable with and get to one of my patent and fadeaway shots you know and I know a lot of people wanted me to go to the skyhook to break the record or one of my signature dunks but my favorite was the signature play as well and I was able to get it and it touched nothing but the bottom of the net and that was that was pretty cool you know that I had a moment there but I don't think it's really hit me on what would just transpire as much as I tried to live in a moment it was kind of a blur you know but you know looking back there and seeing my seeing my guys back there and being you know out there on the floor with my kids and my wife my mom you know you know and just it's a it's a really cool feeling. Just his willingness to attack from any and all areas whether he's handling the ball whether he's off the ball playing pick and roll as the handler and the screener catching shoot threes threes off the dribble pushing it with pace and transition getting to the rim I mean he's multifaceted you know you can't put him in a box he does a little bit of everything and does it well and so just just seeing that it's it's fun as a coach when you can move you know your star players and we have a couple of them guys where we can move them around to different areas and they can still be effective. It's been great well it's been a big part of our team success a big part of my success you know a leader you know in all kind of ways all kind of facets of the game on and off the floor you know great human being family guy check all the boxes you know definitely well deserved you know he put a lot of blood sort of tears into this game so it's been a big part so I'm just honored honored to be able to you know win us a lot. His coach Darvin Ham who certainly has the perspective of having been a player and the history that he saw and he raves about Kareem actually even before he talks about Lebron and these two iconic Lakers and then Anthony Davis Lebron's teammate some of the time their injuries make them at I guess at different junctures in their Lakers tenure feel like their ship's passing in the night actually but they did collaborate on that 2020 championship in the bubble. Love to hear from you did put a couple a couple posts up excuse me on Twitter A Law Radio also on our Facebook page After Hours with Amy Lawrence. We'll hear a little more from Lebron James including his answer to the question of whether or not he is now the GOAT.

That is more subjective what you cannot argue is that he has scored more points than any other NBA player in league history. Good morning to you it's Wednesday Super Bowl week but I told you the NBA is threatening to hijack Super Bowl week we still have trade deadline yet to come it's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports. Tess here I've always had problems sleeping and once I fall asleep I couldn't stay asleep I searched getting to sleep ASAP. So check this out sleep ASAP is a real product by Nutra strips it's not a pill or drug it's this amazing little thin strip you put right on your tongue and it activates immediately tastes great too best night's sleep ever go to my sleep asap.com and discover how you can try a full month supply free that's my sleep asap.com. Tess here I've always had problems sleeping and once I fall asleep I couldn't stay asleep I searched getting to sleep asap. So check this out sleep asap is a real product by Nutra strips it's not a pill or drug it's this amazing little thin strip you put right on your tongue and it activates immediately tastes great too best night's sleep ever go to my sleep asap.com and discover how you can try a full month supply free that's my sleep asap.com goalie gummies get you so close to your goals you can actually taste them the trick simply start with bite-sized steps like goalies apple cider vinegar gummies with added b vitamins for daily health or goalie ashwagandha gummies to help you relax restore and unwind tastes like wellness just got a whole lot better and when goals taste this good it's easy to achieve them goalie taste your goals learn more at goalie.com today radio you are listening to the after hours podcast looking for james he's got it coming to the end of the third corner lebron james a shot at history and there it is lebron stands alone the nba's all-time scoring record now belongs to lebron james does this now make you the greatest player of all time are you out to go uh you know i'm gonna let everybody else uh you know decide who that is or just talk about it but it's great it's great barbershop uh talk you know for me i want to hear you say listen big fella i want to hear you say it bro me personally say it with your chest i'm gonna take myself against anybody that's ever played this game this is after hours with amy lawrence getting goated by shakil o'neill also a former laker it's after hours with amy lawrence the call there with brian anderson on tnt and then that exchange between shack and lebron also on tnt uh it's it's partly because of longevity but it's not just that you have to be committed to your craft you have to remain healthy and durable and productive over the course of a long stretch and for him it's 20 seasons it's 1410 games and i mean let's be fair a lot of athletes are over the hill and out to pasture at 38 years old my wife and my boys asked me you know do i ever surprise myself on the floor still at this point in my career and and i thought about it i was like yeah sometimes they know to be able to play at this level you know 20 years in and the minutes i've played the games i've played either through the regular season or through the postseason you know to still be at the apex of my game um it's a it's a pretty surreal feeling so lebron james now with 38 390 points and i know i've seen a bunch of different tributes uh online and we this one we grabbed i think personally because we haven't heard from kevin durant so not yet about kyrie or about what's happening with the nets but on this occasion when it comes to lebron he speaks oh congrats on being all-time leading scorer in nba history it's even funny to just even say that you know coming from where you come from how hard you grinded for this long it's been an inspiration since day one much love and keep setting the bar high you'll see the tributes and hear the tributes all day long very often lebron feels like a machine and a bull in a china shop and i mean that he's a load i mean that as a compliment his physical prowess and his physical build is part of the reason why he's been durable though he does work hard at remember the the shift to working out with a navy seal former navy seal at some point in the last few years the way he's changed his diet and so yeah the tributes will pour in all day today threatening to hijack super bowl week it's after hours with amy lawrence on cbs sports radio for him though he never forgets where he came from a kid from akron is what he calls himself didn't go to college instead jumped straight from high school to the nba and he reminds us frequently of that perspective but also the fact that this isn't just him and i appreciate hearing about his family a little bit about the people around him and seeing him in this emotional moment where he wants to be surrounded by the people who know him as lebron who know him as a human as a husband a father a friend a business partner know him as a teammate beyond just what we see on the game's biggest stages yeah i'm just a kid from akron ohio small city and uh to be able to to make it out of the situation i made out of you know coming from a single-parent household only child you know the adversities and the things that me and my mother went through when we're younger it doesn't make it still doesn't feel real you know for me to be at this position being this point in my life but i give it all back to them they sit they right over there you know center court my family i got my boys here from high school um you know without them i wouldn't i wouldn't be able to do this i've sacrificed a lot and the most the most thing that i've sacrificed that it is very tough to sacrifice in time with my family you know time away from my kids time away from my wife my mom etc etc and the best thing that i they gave me was the ability to do that and tell me don't worry about us go get your goals we'll go go go work on your journey go you know the things that you want to do in life we're here for you i thought it it had every chance of being broken uh just had to have somebody that the offense focused on continually you know gaming game out the the offense focused on them and uh enable him or a player like myself to uh accumulate a whole lot of scoring Kareem Abdul-Jabbar the most unassuming scoring champion that you could imagine really the most unassuming NBA champion that you could imagine uh doesn't often show up there and and doesn't really seek out the public spotlight but was court side and was one of the first to get on the court Magic Johnson also there are lots of athletes pro athletes who wanted to be in the building and who were excited about it and the buzz you can hear it behind Brian Anderson on TNT and then also John Ireland on the Lakers radio network which i think we should hear one more time really impressive so to set the scene 20 points in the first half 16 in the third quarter and this ultimate moment comes with just 10 seconds left in the third but there was a run of scoring where he had back-to-back triples and so he gets within single digits and then weirdly enough doesn't touch the ball for a couple of possessions but the not only was the momentum but the roar inside the arena was building and you knew it was happening come or high water Tuesday February 7th 2023 was the night Westbrook with it give it to Lebron at the right elbow Lebron one-on-one against Kenrick Williams backing him in turns shoots scores there he is all hail the new king in town young and old gather round from one iconic Laker to another the king Lebron James has passed the captain captain Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Lebron now stands alone as the NBA's all-time leading scorer 38,338 points and counting Lebron stands alone at the top the game has been stopped as Lebron signals to his family to come on to the court and everybody on their feet at Staples Center John Ireland has the call there on Lakers radio you'll hear it and you'll see it a bunch on this Wednesday of Super Bowl week it's Lebron it's Kareem it's Carl Malone, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan the top five, Dirk Nowitzki, Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O'Neal number eight Carmelo Anthony who's not officially retired but isn't active at this moment and then Moses Malone that's your top 10 it reminds me a little bit of the home run record as it now stands in major league baseball guys just don't play as long number one number two the game has changed and you almost can't imagine someone assaulting that record anymore but you know what 39 years ago April of 1984 there was probably the same conversation around Kareem setting the scoring record and would it ever be eclipsed so congratulations to Lebron really cool moment of course not two not three not four not five not six not seven such a flair for the dramatic at least he didn't collapse to his knees and start screaming and watching himself on the jumbotron as he's begging for a call at least there wasn't that there was no flapping on his hands and knees looking up for the jumbotron to see himself on his hands and knees there was no flopping for the final shot that put him over the top there was no crying it wasn't at the free throw line thank the maker the basketball gods it was not at the free throw line no this was a move we've seen from Lebron a ton couple of dribbles defense on his hip a half turn a fadeaway jumper from the elbow one-footed as a matter of fact coming up part of my conversation with long-time NFL safety Rodney McLeod man he had a year left the eagles after six seasons moved away from Philadelphia the place he calls home and had to start over with the Colts right they had a roller coaster of a season he was very candid about the year about Jeff Saturday about the losing about leadership it's after hours with Amy Lawrence you are listening to the after Tess here I've always had problems sleeping and once I fall asleep I couldn't stay asleep I searched getting to sleep getting to sleep ASAP so check this out sleep ASAP is a real product by Nutra strips it's not a pill or drug it's this amazing little thin strip you put right on your tongue and it activates immediately tastes great too best night's sleep ever go to my sleep asap.com and discover how you can try a full month supply free that's my sleep asap.com goalie gummies get you so close to your goals you can actually taste them the trick simply start with bite-sized steps like goalies apple cider vinegar gummies with added b vitamins for daily health or goalie ashwagandha gummies to help you relax restore and unwind tastes like wellness just got a whole lot better and when goals taste this good it's easy to achieve them goalie taste your goals learn more at goalie.com goalie gummies get you so close to your goals you can actually taste them the trick simply start with bite-sized steps like goalies apple cider vinegar gummies with added b vitamins for daily health or goalie ashwagandha gummies to help you relax restore and unwind tastes like wellness just got a whole lot better and when goals taste this good it's easy to achieve them goalie taste your goals learn more at goalie.com today your hours podcast burkett is the back to the left of mills plants in the pocket throws it up field picked off by the coast they're going the other way with it the five has to get rid of the quarterback stiff arms mills at the goal line takes it in touchdown touchdown for the defense it's rodney mccloud for the score a 28 yard pick six it's 24 to 20 this is after hours with amy lawrence why why are we playing a week 18 highlight between the texas and the colts well because after 11 years in the nfl that was the first career interception returned for a touchdown by rodney mccloud longtime nfl safety who had a lot of life packed into the past 12 months after the eagles did not offer him a new deal he ended up with indianapolis and i'm not sure any franchise had a stranger season than the colts rodney even as he was telling me he can't get tackled by a quarterback after he actually tagged the pylon can't get tackled by davis mills he was joking about that he was jovial about his super bowl memories because he was a champion with the eagles going back to 2018 and he really enjoyed sharing his insights on jaylen hurt that was the first part of our conversation but a lot more a lot more introspective uh more authentic i would say open honest about the year that was with the indianapolis colts because it was hard for him to leave philadelphia so we had a really hard time jay had a really hard time deciding which part of this conversation we should bring back because there's so much meat to it you will love it he's a great talker we talk for more than 20 minutes and i always learn something but i always appreciate his honesty and his openness so the entire conversation with colts safety rodney mccloud is on our podcast after hours amy lawrence.com we do share the link to that podcast every weekday morning on both twitter and facebook and all of our guests are in a separate audio file so you don't have to listen to the show to find our conversation with guests second consecutive year in which we've spoken to rodney during super bowl week but we pick up the conversation where i transitioned and asked him not just about his first career pick six but what it was like starting over after six years in philadelphia moving to indianapolis and beginning anew it was hard uh to be honest of being a part of you know philly for six years it that became a home and that's all i knew and so the hardest part was just leaving you know the locker room uh the relationships i formed over the years uh and then i guess it extends you know outside the locker room as well into the city and and so you know now having to switch locker rooms the one thing you're hoping is that god's welcome you open arms and hopefully it's something similar to your experience you know wherever you you know coming from and and i noticed that quickly that you know this was a good locker room uh guys you know a mixed bag of players you know both old and young and some guys right in the middle so the the chemistry there and and the the closeness uh was there from you know beginning to end uh which you know i really credit to you know us being able to stay together despite what happened uh throughout the year but it was it was a hard transition at first but i think what it did was it also re energized me uh remotivated me and just well i felt like man i'm a rookie again like i'm stepping into a locker room where a lot of people don't know exactly who i am um you know you got people telling me and i used you on madden when you were at the eagles so that's just it just puts things in in perspective for me when i got there and you know i i really wanted to prove not only to myself but to to my teammates that man like at a year 11 i still can can play and do it at a high level and was just looking to to make an impact really and be uh be helpful any way i can well let's talk about the season that was with the colts um not just the losses which i knew can be hard you'd known frank from your time in philadelphia so the coaching change where a former player comes out of a broadcast booth and ends up as your head coach even now there's still no head coach so how would you describe the last 12 months of being a member of the indianapolis colts riding yeah it honestly was you know a roller coaster uh it felt as if like there was three different seasons just because of all the change that happened uh over the course of the year and uh like i alluded to earlier you know when moments like that happen and you face uh you know the level of i guess crisis that we went through you know normally you you might have people who you know just kind of go their own way but you know one thing that you know i i recognized and saw was the fight and and everybody um and you know the leaders kind of taking control of the team and bringing everyone together and us understanding man like nobody's going to feel necessarily sorry for us and and of course you know we had a stretch where of course we lost i think six or seven in a row but you know i think everybody still came to work uh committed and going into each game you know hoping that you know we would come out victorious so you know it's a rough one but you know that's when you you really lean on your leaders and your team to uh really hold everybody tight uh during those moments and and just you know weather the storm that was your first year in the locker room did you feel a responsibility as someone who was logged over a decade in the nfl to step into that space and try to keep the locker room together oh yeah most definitely i think i've unfortunately i've experienced the season something uh similar record-wise in 2020 with the eagles and that was my first time stepping into the captain role you know with the eagles after the departure of a good friend malcolm jenkins and a few others and i learned a lot from that season and the one thing i i was very proud of myself is that you know i made sure the morale was still high in the locker room and god still um had something to play for in a sense and that we stayed together and so i try to demonstrate that the best way i could you know this past season it's really all about your actions and the things that you're you speak about and trying to find some positivity out of the the rough situation where it looks like it's a very dark place but you got to find some light out there and really hold shawn to that and and so that's what i tried to do is every day i walked into that to the building is you know be positive and uh be present more importantly and focus on how be a solution you know and and not continue on with the problem at hand i hear from a lot of athletes who've suffered through serious injuries like you have and have had the game be taken away for a time that they never take it for granted you're still playing into decade number two you worked hard to get back to the point where you can play regardless of how difficult it is it's still validating for you and all the work you did that you're still out there you still get the chance every week oh yes 100 being able to you know play the game you know and battling injuries and seeing guys you know get cut throughout training camp or week five of the regular season just put things in perspective you know when you played over a decade you've seen it all and and i try to constantly remind you know my my fellow teammates of that you know guys who are just entering the league and i think a lot has to do is just comfortability and understanding that you know you never really have it you never uh you've never really done until you you know you completely walk away and so as long as you have a jersey and helmet man hold that seat as long as you can and you do that by you know bringing your best and being your best every single day jeff saturday was called out of the broadcast booth and into your locker room as the head coach so that was kind of a new one i can imagine there was a reaction in your locker room what did you hear from jeff as he stood in front of the team that second half of the year and you guys kind of had to pull it together for a guy who didn't have any coaching experience yeah i think jeff from day one was honest with us and i think anybody would tell you you know honesty is the answer to to it all and he he kept it real um he told us you know he didn't have much experience but you know what he did have was his passion uh for the organization passion for the team passion for the game uh and he's driven and he's driven and you know that's what has gotten him to the point that he is now in his career and what allowed him to play as long as he did and be a ring of honor and and all the famers like those those sorts of intangibles you know the passion the heart you know the mindset and being committed and driven like those things you know matter and will you know get him through uh this time of of uh of inexperience right and so all he asked from us was you know just bring your best man and let's try to find a way to um all this you know put good things out on tape and play for one another and play hard and be committed to the grind and the process throughout the week but he really emphasized that and always just kept it real simple you know every single week what our objectives or goals were going into the week but one thing he always did was he held guys accountable uh from the minute he stepped in you know he wasn't afraid to um you know challenge us because it's all about productivity it's all about success and it you know of course everybody has been living up to their fullest potential you know how do you try to maximize it and how do you try to correct uh what is going on so i commend jeff you know for stepping in and giving in his all and and really you know going to battle with us rodney mccloud introspective and open honest candid it was a tough year he said it felt like three seasons with the indianapolis colts uh and yet that leadership accentuated because the locker room did not fall apart and he played a major role even though it was just his first season there taking all the experience of a decade in the nfl and using that as best he could and kind of jumping in with both feet uh you drawing on his captain experience with the philadelphia eagles so really appreciated that conversation and there's more i didn't realize it but rodney said it in the interview that he actually isn't sure he's going to play again he's leaning toward a 12th season but he's not confident so he's still going through the process with much less fanfare than say an aaron rogers or tom brady i also asked him his super bowl memories and his answer was beating tom brady i said what's your super you know your favorite super bowl memory or what stands out about that week going back to 2018 honestly the best part was beating tom brady there's a lot of great stuff with rodney so please check it out on our podcast after hours amy lawrence.com also had a chance to catch up with jason romano who was in phoenix on radio row this week with sports spectrum and in light of what happened with damar hamlin there's a lot of conversation about spiritual and mental health and locker rooms that maybe wasn't taking place before he spoke to both team chaplains of the chiefs and the eagles and and i wasn't sure exactly what a chaplain did so i asked him really good conversation plus he's a cowboys fan so i could give him some crap for it so busy as we gear up toward the end of the week two more shows to go and we've got some great stuff planned for you a member of the dallas cowboys i will talk to him this afternoon you'll hear that interview tonight we have a couple of other active players that we're waiting on all the agents do this stuff at the last second so we're waiting but i i can confirm two brand new hall of famers on our thursday night show so really amazing my partnership with the gridiron grates and southern recipe small batch pork rinds they've come through with two more hall of famers that we've never had on the show before no doubt they will be wearing their gold jackets when we talk to them so still a lot to come in terms of our videos our super six video series latest the best halftime shows in our super bowl history in fact our memories we've even got a cameo by an nfl mvp so check that out it's on twitter after hours cbs or alaw radio have a great wednesday it's after hours on cbs sports radio boom tess here i've always had problems sleeping and once i fall asleep i couldn't stay asleep i searched getting to sleep asap so check this out sleep asap is a real product by nutra strips it's 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