After Hours with Amy Lawrence PODCAST: Hour 3

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Available now on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, hey! We are halfway through the middle show of the work week, which means we're dead center peeps. I know it was a little harder to reintegrate back to the work week because Thanksgiving, for a lot of people, was a four-day weekend. And even longer, for those of you who took some vacations and extra time, my mom actually had the entire week off for vacation, so her school shuts down for the entire Thanksgiving week. She and her husband went to Galveston with their trailer, and they pulled their fifth wheel down to Galveston. And they left on Friday afternoon, the week before Thanksgiving, and so they were gone from Friday to Sunday, the following Sunday. We're talking 10 days. And then she had to turn around and go back to school on Monday. And wouldn't you know, on Tuesday, sent me a text about how she wasn't feeling well.

Oh yes, of course. Getting back to school can be painful. Not as painful as watching Team USA. I forgot how stressful it is to cheer for the U.S. men's national team. But ultimately, I wouldn't want it any other way. I like the grit.

I love their guts. I just love being in the arena. I love the fact that it's back on the international stage and that I have something to stress over.

That goal from Christian Pulisic in the 38th minute of the game against Iran got me out of my seat, cheering, jumping up and down. And then I was afraid. I was a little nervous. I was looking around. It's like the NFL has conditioned me to expect a flag. I was looking for a flag.

I was waiting for a whistle. Christian didn't get up, which made it even more scary. And then in the final stages, a ball scorched through the legs of Matt Turner.

Actually, there were two. There was one ball that went just wide of the frame, just wide of the net. And depending upon the angle at which you were looking at it, it appeared as though it was headed for the back of the net.

And then, as I'm watching the replay right now, there were multiple chances in the box for Iran in the last minute, so stoppage time. A ball goes through the legs. It scorched through the legs of Matt Turner, and it's rolling, rolling, rolling. Jesse Bradley told us last hour he felt like that ball was rolling for an hour. It's not rolling quickly, thank heavens, but it gets away from Matt, gets behind him, and it's headed for the goal, if not for Walker Zimmerman flying in like he's Superman and kicking it away. Oh, my goodness.

Stressful. Then we had to wait to be sure there was no penalty kick awarded. Oh, my gosh.

Loved it. Now looking back because we won, I also like to say we. We won, but nothing easy. Anything worth having is worth sacrificing for.

Let's go. I actually really dig the conversation, the stressful conversation. If it's easy, wouldn't be nearly as all consuming.

If it's easy, we wouldn't appreciate it nearly as much. That's life, not just sports, but definitely life. It's After Hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS Sports Radio. You can find us on Twitter, After Hours, CBS, vote for TD of the Week if you haven't yet, and also send your questions for Ask Amy anything. I think we're wide open. Do we have any themes for this one, Producer J, are we wide open?

No, this one's wide open. Okay, so getting closer to Christmas, maybe we'll have holiday themes and we'll see. Oh, snow. If we could talk about snow, I would be so happy. Yeah, I'll sprinkle in maybe a couple holiday Christmas theme-y ones from here until the end, but it's not going to be. Yeah, see me. I'm going to try that again. So for now, it's wide open, either on Twitter again, After Hours, CBS, or on our Facebook page, you can send those questions.

Video version is up on our YouTube channel, our phone number 855-212-4227. Still ahead this hour, we've got Tiger Woods. How about Tiger Woods? He's not playing in his own tournament in the Bahamas, but he was speaking about his health as well as live golf. It's not going away, but Greg Norman now apparently is the one that the PGA is targeting. It seems like everybody who speaks about golf these days is trashing Greg Norman. Tiger Woods is the latest. We're live from the Rocket Mortgage Studios.

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Here's Amy Lawrence. This is a Tom Brady specific Bite Me because I had a chance to go back and listen to his Let's Go podcast with Jim Gray. Now, they recorded it.

Well, it wasn't recorded at the time. They went ahead and did their exchange Monday afternoon. Sometimes we get to it on our Monday night show, but because we had a full plate on last night's show, we didn't. And so we're bringing it back, but keeping in mind that when Brady and Jim Gray sit down for their conversation, it's literally hours after he's played on Sunday. And actually next week, the Bucks play on Monday, so they're going to talk before the game, which won't be nearly as interesting.

Nah, I like the Tom Brady who's reacting hours after. In this case, an overtime loss to the Cleveland Browns. And obviously a long night.

I have not slept great, as you can only imagine. And I think one thing important we talked about today was just a 24 hour rule in sports. When things don't go your way and you don't win the game, you know, deal with it for 24 hours and then move on.

So I'm just about to that 24 hour mark. And after that, you know, I'll start thinking about what this week is about to bring. And so it was a tough loss for our team. We did a lot of good things and obviously there were plenty of things we did poorly. And ultimately it just leads to a very difficult road loss, which no one can afford road losses this time of year.

We certainly can't, but we're going to keep fighting our tails off like we have all season. When Jim first brought him on the podcast, he says, hi, Jim, like he's Eeyore or something. No joke. He was so down in the dumps. And then you hear him tell Jim on Sirius XM NFL radio that he hasn't slept. It's been nearly 24 hours since the game ended and the man's still chewing it up.

You suck, Brady. He also did say, and I like I said, I listened to the whole thing and there were things that stood out to me. He also did say he would rather play and lose than not compete at all. But he was honest and he's been honest about this during the course of his career. He doesn't love winning as much as he hates losing.

It's interesting, right? You have some athletes that are like that. It hurts him far more to lose than any joy he ever takes over winning. He'll tell you about the Super Bowls that he's lost, the ones to the Giants, specifically the one in 2007, when the Patriots were working on their perfect season. But he also talks about that loss to the Eagles and how much that eats at him. And that those two Super Bowls are the ones that he thinks about far more than the ones he's been victorious in, which shows you the state of his competition and also the intensity it takes to stay at the top.

But right now, the Buccaneers are nowhere near the top. And like a leader, like the guy who sets the tone, he is trying to figure out what he should be doing differently. Football is the ultimate team sport. I've always believed as a leader, you always take the blame and you always give the credit. And that's just, I always feel like that because really that's what leadership is all about.

And, you know, I always look at what I need to do, but I had a chance to hit Mike down the sideline and over time to win a game. And I didn't get it done. You can give in to the outside noise and everyone telling you, oh, it's not your fault. It's someone else's fault.

I think that's B.S. It is your fault when you lose and you take it personally when you lose. And you shouldn't sleep at night when you lose. And you should only think about what you need to do to help the team more. And, you know, that's what I lay in bed at night after games thinking about. And it's a tough situation to be in, have a losing record. But that's our reality.

And we haven't done anything to earn more than that. I sometimes dream about football, but I don't think I lie awake at night. Well, I'm here at night, but the nights that I'm not working, I don't think I lie awake thinking about football. That's what it takes to be at the highest level. I will say, though, when I played basketball, college especially, the mistakes I made or the shots I missed were the ones I replayed in my head over and over and over again. And also, when I make mistakes here on the show, those are the moments that I fixate on, the moments I obsess over, not the moments that went really well. I couldn't tell you what I did really well on last night's show, but I could tell you the mistake that I made, the one that I go back to Jay like, ah, that sucked, I sucked, the whole show sucked.

He's like, what are you talking about? But that's how it feels to me when one or two moments go horribly wrong and I completely screw them up. Now, Tom Brady's trying to be honest about where the Bucks are, and he did say, hey, it's pretty amazing that we still have an opportunity to win the NFC South, but oh, this is just rough. You come out of it and you go, God, we did some good things and of course we did some bad things. Well, what does that mean in football when you do some good things and you do some bad things?

It means you're average and it's your six and five, your five and six at this point, which is basically where we're at. So it's not good enough to be consistently winning. And that's what the goal is for every team every week. And that's a consistent attitude, effort, discipline, determination, execution, all those things.

So sometimes it's physical, sometimes it's mental, sometimes it's a bit emotional. And that's what we all have to you get one performance a week for three hours and you go through 70 minutes of football. Every player can go, I did some good things and I did some things that I need to do better. And in the end, it's just not good enough. And ultimately, when they make the plays to win, you've got to give them credit.

You know, the guy makes David and Joke who made a fourth and nine catch from the 11 yard line, one handed, left handed. Ultimately, it ties the game or the game's over for us at the end of regulation. So there's a lot of opportunity we had to win that game. And of course, we did not do what we're capable of.

Therefore, you lose it. He still continues to say to Jim Gray, as well as to the media, that everything they want is in front of them because they play in the worst division in football. There isn't one team in the NFC South that is above 500. And so there's one way that that plays to their benefit.

Right. They have the luxury is a weird word for it, but they at least have the opportunity to continue to compete for the postseason. And also the NFC is just bad. There are a handful of teams above 500, but for the most part, it's bottom heavy.

It's bottom feeders, if you will. So I actually I was thinking about this in reference to the NFC East, which very often is the worst division in football or has the same quality to it, where teams are right at 500 or below 500 and yet still competing for a playoff spot. You are in the division that you're in.

And and so you have to take advantage of that. So, yeah, all is not lost, not even if you're the Bucks in your five and six sports is sports. You know, as I got on the bus last night, one of my great friends and coaches on our team said, well, Tom, it's quite the life we've chose to for work, you know, and it has brought so much joy to my life. And at the same time, when you're in the moment and you suffer a tough loss, it doesn't feel like that. You know, there's not a lot of joy in losing, as anyone can attest to. So we play to win. When you don't win, it feels like the soul gets ripped out of you. But that's part of the competition. That's part of being the man in the arena. When you don't win, it feels like the soul gets ripped out of you. I like this Tom Brady better.

I mean, I don't want him to feel like his soul has been ripped out of him. But I have never heard Tom Brady like this before or rarely heard him like this before on Let's Go with Jim Gray. And there's more to it, actually. They talked about Michigan. So Jim got him to smile because the Wolverines won and beat Ohio State two times in a row, two years in a row. And also he was asked about Aaron Rodgers and about playing hurt and that type of thing and his respect for Aaron Rodgers. So he had some really interesting things to say about Aaron. I love Aaron Rodgers.

Exactly. We will hear from Aaron coming up a little bit later just because he spoke as well Tuesday on his weekly appearance. But this is Tom Brady on Let's Go. One more thing, and this is something they do every week. They also talk about the rest of the NFL. Remember, it was Brady who told us he was looking around earlier this season and all he saw was bad football everywhere. But also about college football and the NIL rules and the name image and likeness and how the scope of college football is changing.

It could balance the powers out a little bit. I mean, if you think about all basically college free agency, these kids finish the season. And if they didn't have the season they wanted, they have the opportunity to go somewhere else where they'd be maybe paid more.

Who knows? But I think a lot of these big schools over the years have had opportunities to always get the best players all the time. And it's a monopoly on the best players. When you look at Alabama or, you know, they're obviously the one that comes to mind because I've had so much success with guys in pro football. But, you know, there was a lock on so many of those guys. And I think maybe there's more of a kind of dispersion of talent across all the college football. Some teams may try to load up one year. You know, other teams, maybe some of these mid-level schools, they don't have the opportunity to, you know, pay these players in the same way that some of the bigger schools might. So maybe they recruit a different type of player. I think there's going to be a big reinvention of college athletics with, you know, the new rules that are coming into play. And it's going to force coaches to change a lot more too because, you know, they're always going to want to go to those bigger schools. Potentially that could attract talent and better talent in these one-year programs.

So you may not have the opportunity to build the program. And that actually may have a detriment to the pro game because if you don't build the college program, how is a player going to develop a skill set? Which it's going to develop a lesser player to pro football. You may not be as interested in hearing what Tom Brady has to say as I am, but I actually have found myself listening to his conversations on Let's Go. Every week, not just for show purposes, but because I learn a lot about him and because I learn more and more what he'll be like as an analyst.

At least I hope this is the analyst we get. You may think he's a machine. You may think that his life is super perfect, or at least it was. He actually says outside of playing football, I'm pretty much average at everything. He said that on Monday. He was clearly feeling down.

And again, it's such raw emotion when we're talking about 24 hours after a painful loss that I listened to the entire thing and I was kind of blown away by it. It's another side of Tom Brady that we just don't see very often or hear very often. Alright, coming up, a little bit of Tiger Woods. An update on his health, though. He's not playing at the Hero World Challenge in the Bahamas. That's his tournament.

He is there for hosting duties and to be kind of the emcee in different cases, but he's not playing. And still, the live PGA conversation persists into year number two, or into another year of the PGA tour, I should say. Man, it's almost been a year since Phil Mickelson blew us all away with his comments that he swears were supposed to be private. Let it go, dude. Let it go.

And they were not. Yeah, so Tiger Woods, in his own words, straight ahead and then still to come, Ask Amy Anything. In fact, we are, we'll call it 20 minutes, 22 minutes away from Ask Amy Anything. So send your questions to Twitter, ALawRadio, or our show, Twitter, After HoursCBS, and a lot of you also weighing in on our Facebook page. Thanks for hanging out with us and thanks for listening to us for 10 years now on CBS Sports Radio. Whenever you want. And did we mention it's all free?

Download the Odyssey app today. Throughout the 60s and 70s, cops hunted down key figures of the Dixie Mafia, including its enigmatic ringleader, Kirksey Nix. I'm in a rush to making money.

I'm not in a rush to hurt people. 15 years into Kirksey's life sentence, the Dixie Mafia was practically folklore, but that would soon change. I'm Jed Lipinski. This is Gone South, a documentary podcast from C-13 Originals, a Cadence 13 studio. Season two, The Dixie Mafia, available now on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. Throughout the 60s and 70s, cops hunted down key figures of the Dixie Mafia, including its enigmatic ringleader, Kirksey Nix. I'm in a rush to making money.

I'm not in a rush to hurt people. 15 years into Kirksey's life sentence, the Dixie Mafia was practically folklore, but that would soon change. I'm Jed Lipinski. This is Gone South, a documentary podcast from C-13 Originals, a Cadence 13 studio. Season two, The Dixie Mafia, available now on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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