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Promo code, fall update. Oh, let's be honest. That phrase, treat her like a lady, meant something a whole lot different going back to the early days of broadcasting 60s, 70s. And even today in sports radio, it doesn't mean what I wish it meant, but it's changed a lot since I got in the business 20 something years ago.

Yeah. So that, when I watched that movie, I laugh, but sadly there is a lot of truth behind the humor too. So Jay and I were just talking about how we haven't seen the movie in a long time. And maybe now at the stage of my career, I'll even find it funnier than I did. I'm just thankful. I tell a lot of young broadcasters, especially young women that I mentor.

I'm really glad that you don't have to go through what other women, women who came before you, even I had to go through in this business. So I'm glad we can laugh about it now. Plus Will Ferrell is just, he's a hoot. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence on CBS sports radio. Oh yes.

I haven't heard that in a while, but on a Thursday morning, it feels like that'll wake you up and it's a good reason to smile. Is there a character he can't play? Maybe a serious one, but he's, he's extremely versatile. Now Tom Hanks is versatile in a different way, but Will Ferrell can be in any voice and any person that he wants if it has to do with comedy or comedic timing.

He's yeah, he, he morphs very well. He's one of those guys I say about the best actors. You forget that they're famous, right? So for instance, Tom Hanks, he can be anything and you forget that he's Tom Hanks. Bradley Cooper has that ability. You forget you're watching Bradley Cooper and you think you're watching American sniper or you think you're watching, you know, whoever he was in shoe.

What was the movie that he sang in? Crap. What's that? Oh my gosh.

Could it drive me crazy with Lady Gaga? Oh, right. A star is born. Yes. Oh my goodness.

That was just tragic and sad. Denzel Washington. I think there's an element of that too, where you forget that he is famous and yes, Will Ferrell. I mean, he's, you're laughing at him half the time, but he morphs.

He morphs so well. I don't know. I never forget that it's Brad Pitt. Yeah. I guess you might be right on that one. You always know, you know, he's different character. You can appreciate that character, but it's still, it's still his bread. Yeah.

I don't know. I guess there are others who would fit into that category, but those are the ones that come to mind. Will Ferrell definitely taking us down that rabbit hole just by hearing those lines.

Those iconic lines stay classy. Uh, wait a minute. There was another version of that one. I guess we're not going to use that one. Okay. Jay's nodding is or shaking. I said like, no, we're not allowed to use his other line about San Diego.

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Whether you're looking to purchase a new home or refinance yours rocket mortgage can help you get there for home loan solutions that fit your life. Rocket can, I hope for those of you who celebrated national pumpkin day was a wonderful day for you. We had a pumpkin. We no longer have a pumpkin.

Our pumpkin has disappeared. We don't know what happened to her. She was kidnapped. Jay, do you think she was kidnapped or or disposed of? I think she was absolutely pumpkin napped.

And what happened after that? It's not too much like puppy napped. No, not puppy napped.

Puppy napped is a new crime. It's an October thing. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of trick or treaters out there who are nabbing pumpkins and running as fast as they can.

The older kids, when I was younger, used to smash them in the streets. Was that you ever heard of that? Yeah.

Smashing pumpkins. Well, not the ban. Right.

But it was like an actual ban. Did you think that's what I meant? No, but okay. But thanks for clarifying. Jay's always worried that I don't know his pop culture references. And so he always has to clarify when he uses an analogy. What's one of those called an anagram in your text messages? He always has to tell me what it means, just in case I don't know.

He's very worried that I'm not going to get his cool references. That's not it. Oh, okay. Good. So yes, smashing pumpkins, the Halloween activity, not smashing pumpkins, the band that you are a big fan of. I don't know about big, but I'm a fan. A fan. Okay.

There's degrees of fanhood. So yes, our pumpkin, her name is Josephine. We revealed her name in our latest YouTube video. We got a double feature for you this week. The first one is a whole and happy and healthy Josephine.

The second one is a crying Josephine. And you'll see that I'm not making that up when we get to it. Our second Halloween week video will be on our YouTube channel within 48 hours. It's a special treat for those of you who prefer a treat instead of a trick.

Actually, it's a pretty good trick too. We made the pumpkin cry. You're, you're, I mean, you think I'm lying, but it's not a lie. Our pumpkin actually cried. And you will understand when you see Josephine. And so because Josephine was sad and Josephine cried, I really did not enjoy at all the pumpkin exercise. It was, it was painful for me. A little scarring.

It was definitely traumatic. And so this initial video where Josephine is the star of the show, I'm happy. Josephine's happy.

She's beautiful. And we talk about candy. What more could you possibly ask? It's the latest in our stairway to seven series, Halloween candy, best Halloween candy of all time. And we got no joke hundreds and hundreds of your responses about your favorite Halloween candy. So we were all in one accord or as Jay says, we were all on the same page.

So you can find me on Twitter, Alaw radio, check that out because it's fantastic. We're goofy. I'm a spaz. My mom tells me all the time, but we're talking about Halloween candy and there's a gorgeous piece of fruit in the video. I match the fruit. You did.

You did very nice. Jay does not know what to do with the fact that I wear orange, bright orange on a regular basis. I had a little bit of orange in there.

It was a nice coordination. You were the black cat. I was the black cat. You were together. We were candy corn. Okay. I thought that was like a bad luck reference, but which it might still be too, but I mean, I have a cat.

She's, she's not black, but you can have her if you like her for a Halloween prop and then just keep her totally fine. I've heard your cat make noises. Oh, she never stops. She never, I got so mad at her yesterday afternoon because my alarm had not gone off. It was not time to get up, but the cat had to give me the hour warning. She likes to warn me once an hour before I have to get up just in case I've forgotten that she needs to eat in an hour. So she walks on my head and howls always. It's almost like clockwork an hour before I have to get up on Saturday mornings. The cat walks on my head at five 30 in the morning and howls because she needs me to know it's only an hour until we have to wake up.

Right. She's not looking out for you though. She's looking out for her food to be there.

It's so annoying. I'll never get another cat after this one. I mean, she's 14. She's healthy as a horse. She's going to live until she's 30. I just know it. I'm going to be stuck with her until she's 30, but boy, I'll be, I won't be sad when her me hour doesn't work anymore.

It's pretty active. Like Penny can't bark anymore. She just doesn't really have the vocal cords, but the cat never stops howling. It's on command too. Oh yeah. No, I get to do a say her name. I'm just, I mean, we've done it on the radio before.

She's been a star on the radio. And then for weeks after that, this is when I was working at home for those two and a half months during the pandemic for weeks after that, I would say something brilliant about sports and people would ask me, can we hear your cat again on the radio? Great. I'm here live. That's not, I'm not a cat.

Many people had cat problems and zoom problems during the pandemic. So I suppose I was not alone. Thank you, Jay. I feel much better now. So check out our Twitter after our CBS or my Twitter, we've got the link to a brand new YouTube video. I know it's been a while. You missed us. We're there plus Josephine. Uh, and also it's pinned to the top of our Facebook page.

And we were really inspired by the amount of candy that you wanted to share with us. Yes. All right. Coming up, we've got the NFC version of QB news and Aaron Rogers not backing down, but also his coach is backing him. It's like Aaron's doing his job really. Uh, but the coach is backing him as they try, they try to snap a three game losing skid at Buffalo on Sunday night.

Uh, I might find it more entertaining to talk to my cat actually this game. I'm a little nervous for the Packers could get way out of hand bills are coming off a bye week for heaven's sakes. Josh Allen's talking about another special. Oh dear. Oh dear. This could get bad. It could get ugly early, but we'll be here regardless either way. So NFC version of QB news for your week, eight prep.

That's about 30 minutes away. And also, oh my goodness. If you missed my conversation with Jeff Pearlman, he's a New York times bestselling author. His newest book is just out this week.

I'm holding it in my hands. Uh, his publisher was kind enough to send me an advanced copy. It's the last full Kiro, the life and myth of Bo Jackson. And I'm telling you, I've only read part of it.

It's a pretty lengthy book. I've only read part of it and already phenomenal because Bo Jackson was one of the last athletes I cheered for with wild abandon. I have athletes that I like, I've athletes that I want to see succeed. But once you do this business for as many years as I have, it chases the fandom out of you.

I can't really explain it. It's now more about the radio show and it's more about analyzing games and events. When I watch them, it's not about cheering. I really can't be just a fan anymore, but I was when Bo Jackson played for the Royals and for the Raiders. I loved to watch Bo Jackson and I would have told you he was one of my favorite athletes.

And there is a strange mythology around this icon and Jeff Pearlman peels back the curtain and the layers of Bo Jackson. So part of that conversation we'll share with you coming up in 10 minutes here on After Hours, CBS Sports Radio. In case you're keeping score at home, no, the Lakers do not yet have a win. So Lakers don't have a win. Magic don't have a win. Kings don't have a win. Do you think that's eating at LeBron James that he's in the same category as the Magic and the Kings? So what gives new head coach Darvin Ham?

What's going wrong? We just got to do a better job of, you know, creating separation, making our offensive plays more clearly defined through pace and energy on that side of the ball. Just like we want multiple efforts and guys to be in their right spots and on time versus a drive and with a V back and then someone contesting the shot. We have to have that same mentality offensively, not just walking in the screens, but sprinting up, getting a hit, coming off the screen with fours downhill. If we, you know, and it's, we're four games in, it sucks to lose, but having 78 games left, there's plenty of time for us to right the ship and it starts now.

It starts yesterday. Those are fundamentals. The things he's talking about are fundamentals. These are veteran basketball players.

I don't feel like they should have to hear about fundamentals. How about don't continue to jack the ball up from deep when you're eight of 30 from beyond the arc? How about adjust? We saw Jamal Murray do that last night. He's still trying to find his rhythm from deep. He's still trying to get comfortable again after the time he's missed with the ACL injury and he wasn't hitting from downtown. So instead he moves in and he finds shots that are higher percentage.

It's not rocket science. A listener said to me earlier, everyone wants to be Steph Curry. Well, yeah, but there's only one Steph Curry and I hate this brand of basketball where it's threes in droves or it's nothing. The mid range jumper, it's a lost art, but the more guys that do it, the better your offense will be.

So it's just kind of interesting to hear Darvin Ham talk about fundamentals. Meanwhile, Giannis is back and it didn't take long for him to figure out how to dominate again in the second half of a game. Here's a hand off to Giannis. Giannis with a head full of steam lays it out the window with a foul. He comes away, flexing his right bison, puffing that chest out.

And why not? The Greek freak has 35. When you take on your weaknesses and turn them into a strength, Giannis going to his strength. Now attacks inside, kisses it in off the window with the foul from eight feet out. It is a Greek freak show here tonight. It's by Sir Paul. Giannis will hear it from the fans.

Another legendary performance from a legend that keeps growing. Sometimes I think I play not in my strength as much, but I kind of scratch that. And I think in the second half I just, okay, I'm just going to be myself and be okay with it. I just try to drive as much as I can, find my teammates and get in the pen, get to the free throw line and just leave there. Giannis put his head down, got to the rim, got to the free throw line, that slowed his down. Giannis got it going and just made it difficult, you know, for us to stop his rhythm. Once he gets going downhill and he starts getting to the free throw line and we're sitting there almost every play looking at the rest, then, you know, we're going to get beat.

Both KD and Kyrie echo the same sentiment. Too much hiatus. 13 of 15 from the field in the second half. He finishes with 43 points and 14 rebounds.

So he is back. Meanwhile, we know in Cleveland, Donovan Mitchell is fitting in quite nicely as the Cavaliers are three and one, I think now. And Jared Allen is thrilled to have Donovan alongside as kind of the one-two punch. So Jared healthy now 18.16 rebounds last night, but he wanted to rave about Donovan who finishes with 14 and eight assists.

It's been amazing. He can score the ball. He can lead us off the court. He tells us how to win games. It's amazing playing with him. It just seems like you guys are having fun out there. How important is that for your type of game, that type of chemistry to come out there and have some fun?

It's huge. One of our favorite things is you can work hard and have fun. That's what Cavs basketball is about.

Oh, I like that. Work hard, have fun, work hard, play hard. That's Jared Allen on Bally Sports Cleveland had a game go into overtime last night as well on what they call the grandest stage in sports. It's Jalen Brunson though.

And remember, this is a guy who has New York ties and he's playing his first few big games as a member of the Knicks. Brunson high right 12 to shoot for the Knicks. Brunson switched on to Washington, drives right side, spinning in the lane, working left, spins back.

The fade is good. Brunson delivers. He's got 27. Brunson spinning to Randall. High left.

Fibre shoot. Randall makes his move. Three to shoot the drive. The runner got it.

Julius Randall with the finish. 19.2 to go. Timeout Charlotte. One second ago. No fouls.

That's it. The Knicks hold on in overtime. Final score against Charlotte. 134.

131. A 27 point 13 assist night for Jalen Brunson and the Knickerbockers. Three and one with a sweep of the homestand at MSG.

Jalen also had seven rebounds and he was glowing as he was interviewed on MSG after putting in the go ahead bucket in OT. It's big time, man. This is big time.

This is real big time. I mean, this is awesome. I mean, Ken, that's that's the only way you can describe it. That's who he is. Whatever the game needs, that's what he does. So that's, you know, they were blitzing him.

He made a number of good plays, good reads, scored when we needed big buckets. You hear the crowd behind Jalen as he's still interviewed there in the arena in MSG. They're just roaring. And obviously he's soaking it all in. And then Tom Thibodeau just flat lines, but whatever. He's the right coach for the Knicks for now.

Anyway, that's who he is. They're certainly happy to have him. Ed Cohen on Knicks radio.

And then we also heard the calls from Buck's radio. The stars were out on Wednesday night, just not for the Lakers. There's still three teams that are winless. So at least the misery loves the company.

I have a huge basketball IQ. Oh dear. Yeah. We need to be reminded of that right now.

All right. Coming up, this is just a snippet of my conversation with Jeff Pearlman, who's got 10 books. He's a New York times bestselling author, but his latest, I'm already sucked into it. The last folk hero, the life and myth of Bo Jackson.

I feel so sorry for those people who never saw Bo Jackson play. You sad saps. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence. Good morning to you.

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We were talking pumpkins and candy and orange and Halloween and week eight in the NFL and the world series, which let's be honest, I feel like a lot of people have probably forgotten that baseball hasn't gotten to the world series yet. And Bo Jackson. I have been waiting for this interview and this opportunity to talk to the author of a brand new book on Bo. It's a long book.

It's nearly 400 pages, but man, it is a unique book because Jeff Perlman spoke to more than 700 people and he had transcripts and he watched videos. He did his research for two years to be ready to write this book called the last folk hero, the life and myth of Bo Jackson. I was a huge fan of Bo Jackson. I told Jeff that one of my earliest sports memories, my grandfather took me to see a game in Cleveland between the Indians and the Royals when Bo was playing. And in that game on that day, Bo hit three home runs and I was over the moon excited.

I was one of the only ones in the stadium rooting for Bo and the Royals. It's after hours with Amy Lawrence here on CBS sports radio. The whole interview is part of our podcast after hours, Amy Lawrence.com, but just wanted to bring back a snippet because I know for many of you, Bo Jackson's a mystery and he left you wanting more, but there's so much about him we don't know.

And we also don't know what's true and what's not, right? So I wanted to pick it up here. I asked Jeff, why folk hero? Why is Bo Jackson the last folk hero? So the line was originally said by a great writer, Joe Posnanski. I agreed with it a hundred percent, which is nowadays when guys come up, picture your young, whoever your young athlete is, John Marantz, you know, or Joe Burrow, whatever.

Whenever they come up, we see and know everything about them from the time they were little or at least high school, every video, TikTok, Twitter, anything, you name it, we see him. And Bo Jackson, there are all these stories, these mythological stories of things he did, balls he hit, runs he made. Oh my God, he ran a 4 1 3 40. No, it was a 4 1 7. No, it was blah, blah, blah. He threw a ball so far.

It broke five windows, you know, all that kind of stuff. But he came along before there was any video proof of it. Like a lot of them really are.

They feel like you're telling a Paul Bunyan story or John Henry story. So he really even, I think what Joe was talking about specifically was his famous throw in Seattle when he got Harold Reynolds at home state. It's probably one of the most viewed throws in the history of baseball. But if you watch it, you'd be surprised even if you've seen a million times, the camera never shows him releasing the ball.

Like the camera goes to Harold Reynolds around the third. So we all know both through it, but we don't actually know how he threw it. We don't know what it looked like when he released it. We have an imagination there, a sort of view of it.

We don't know. He's just kind of a folk hero. There's a mythological factor to him. As you were going through the research and talking to so many people who had been part of his life at various stages, did you find out that most of the stories are true or that they are myths and they're not actually founded in truth? I would say most are true.

It's funny. He wrote in his autobiography in 1990, an autobiography he wrote with Dick Shapp, and he wrote about going over his first 21 at Auburn with 21 straight strikeouts, which is crazy and really bad and kind of amazing that someone could be that bad and strike out his first 21 at Batson College. It also turns out it's not true. In his first game, they played Illinois State and he was two for five. His first step out, he had a single. Then he won for 19.

You do want to double, you triple check, you make sure things are right. Did he run a 4-1-3-40? Yeah, he did. When he went to the Raiders later on, they had him run a 40 on grass and pads and he ran a 4-1-9 and then a 4-1-7. In high school, he stole 90 out of 91 bases. As a senior, he set a single season national high school record with 20 home runs in 25 games. He missed seven games because he had track minutes. He won the state decathlon championship both his junior and senior year in Alabama. He also set five state records in track and field. His senior year, he won the state decathlon championship, sprained his ankle in the process, but the day after winning it started his only game of the year for the Mactory baseball team through a complete game 13 strikeout gym. He was just ridiculous. His athleticism is ridiculous and most of it obviously checks out. And yet, I think a lot of people, whether they saw him play for real or didn't, would lament the fact that it seemed like his career ended so abruptly and it ended far too soon.

And I got to tell you, Jeff, your chapter that's entitled hip, it actually hurts me. Just the idea that he could have been even more and we could have had him longer. But this one line that resonates with me, he took pride in telling people he refused to lift weights. There were no arguments to be made against maintenance, yet he didn't run, didn't pump iron, didn't even eat healthy. He was a notorious layabout. That blows me away because as you point out, there could have been more years to his career and yet he didn't care as much about strength training.

Any idea why that is? He was naturally gifted. He just was naturally gifted and things came so easily to him that he really didn't need to.

And also, I would argue against myself a little bit. One thing I will say is the injury he actually had incurred that sort of ruined his hip, it was pretty freakish. He was running down the sideline in a Raiders game against the Bengals in the playoffs. A linebacker named Kevin Walker grabs his leg.

Bo is such a strong runner that basically he keeps moving forward while Kevin Walker is pulling backwards and his hip dislodges. And the other thing I'll say, this is going to sound weird and you may totally disagree, but it's almost like instinctive of us people in sports and sports fans to say, God, it's such a shame. God, it's such a shame what he could have been. But you can also argue his career and life is much more interesting this way. Like if he goes on to be Eric Dickerson in football and he goes on to be Gary Sheffield in baseball.

Yeah, it's amazing and it's awesome. But there is something really intriguing about the question mark. And there's really something intriguing about a guy vanishing in his basically early thirties and just walking off into the sunset. And maybe he's more interesting that way.

Maybe the conversation is a lot more interesting in the same way. Like we all talk about Kennedy still, but we don't talk about Eisenhower or Woodrow Wilson. Like part of the reason is because Kenny died young. So we don't know what was to come.

We talk about two pocket biggie all the time. We don't talk about like run DMC and the BC boys that often because they had fulfilled career. Like there's something about the what if of a person that in a weird way adds to their legacy. Oh, that is so true. And there's so much more with Jeff Perlman who may tell the stories that are just as compelling in radio interviews as he does in his book. So I've already started reading a little bit of it.

It's awesome. He did speak to Bo Jackson before he started writing the book. And he also came across a treasure trove of interviews that Bo did with Dick Shapp going back before Dick died because Dick wrote the autobiography along with Bo and just the discovery and also Jeff's visit to Bessemer, Alabama where Bo Jackson hails from and a little bit of his background, his life, his family, his upbringing. It's powerful stuff. And so the life and myth of Bo Jackson is so fitting. Jeff Perlman is the New York Times best-selling author who just released the book this week.

That full interview, which will suck you in, trust me, is on our podcast, After Hours, AmyLawrence.com. All right. Coming up, the other half of QB news from the NFC, Aaron Rodgers. Yes. Tom Brady. Yes. Can they get their acts together in week number eight?

You are listening to the After Hours podcast. Touchdown, Kansas City. And off the back door again.

No, Herbert keeps it in. Touchdown. Herbert with his second of the day.

Here's the snap. Josh going to keep it himself and run it again inside the five into the end zone. Touchdown Buffalo. Josh Allen, nine yard touchdown run.

The Bills respond and then some. It's time for QB news on After Hours. If you miss the AFC version of QB news, that includes Matt Ryan, Sam Ellinger.

Well, you're going to have to go back and get it from the podcast. Mack Jones in there as well about starting in week number eight, but now focusing on the NFC portion of the schedule. It's After Hours on CBS Sports Radio. Ryan Pulse is soon to be pursuing quarterbacks as a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. Did I say Ryan Pulse?

Oh my gosh. Ryan Pulse is the GM who traded Robert Quinn, who will soon be pursuing quarterbacks as a member of the unbeaten Philadelphia Eagles. Coming up this weekend, they host the Pittsburgh Steelers. There's a tough decision for Ryan to give away, trade away a pro bowler who had 18 and a half sacks last season. We agreed to trade Robert Quinn for a fourth round pick in 2023. I just want to start out by thanking Robert for everything that he's done. I know when I took this job, he embodied everything that we were looking for to get this thing started, the way he played and what he stood for as a human being. I know the Eagles are really fortunate to have them.

Anytime you have a guy that's in the 100 sack club, that's pretty special. I've hit on this before. Obviously, part of the tough thing with this job and this position are the tough decisions you have to make. I always feel like there's the emotional side, the human part of it, that you know you're affecting not only like a man, but also his family. You're kind of shaking that all up. I don't take that lightly at all. I'm sensitive to that. You also know that you're tweaking the fibers of your locker room.

And that's a big deal too. And he meant a lot to that locker room, but I'm fully confident that the guys, especially on the defensive side of the Jaylen Johnsons, the Eddie Jacksons of Roquan Smiths, Justin Jones, those guys are going to continue to hold it down and be leaders on that defense and help us continue to move forward. Well, speaking of Roquan Smith, he actually needed a second to compose himself when he heard about the Robert Quinn trade to Philadelphia as he was doing his Wednesday press conference. So definitely a lot of motion there as Quinn heads to Philly after playing with the Bears since April of 2020. It's after hours here on CBS Sports Radio, staying inside the NFC East best division in football. This is strange.

The Dallas Cowboys will attempt to put together another win streak and they will take on Quinn's former team, the Chicago Bears. And Micah Parsons asked about trying to keep up with a speedy Justin Fields. We've raced multiple times.

I mean, we actually bet about 40 times back when he was coming out. I mean, I beat him in that. I mean, yeah, it's not even close. Who is faster than you? I mean, I'm not going to sit here and like try to call no one out.

He went on to say that he was faster and he wasn't worried about tracking down Justin Fields. So yes, you got the Cowboys hosting the Bears in the East and everybody looking up now at the, at the Philadelphia Eagles are recognizing that unless they take a misstep or they take a step backward, you got to keep your pedal to the metal. That includes the New York Giants.

This may be one of the games of the week because they're both winning teams. The Giants are six and one. The Seattle Seahawks are four and three best team in the NFC West. In fact, the only team above 500 in the NFC West. And that's due in large part to the leadership and the steadiness of one Gino Smith, who let's be honest, is out playing Russell Wilson at this point in Denver.

So yes, Brian Dable, head coach of the Giants, Dexter Lawrence on that defense away. They're ready for Gino Smith and they're not surprised. I never get surprised by players.

I think every player is in their own unique situation. I think he's playing really good football. He's playing top level football at the quarterback position, watching him play all these games. He's making great decisions.

He's accurate with the football, leading the team down to score a bunch of points. He's really done a fantastic job. I love chasing people. Um, you know, it's, it's going to, you know, it's going to be a challenge and I think we're ready.

Um, for, for any challenge up ahead, you know, we're going to continue preparing throughout the weekend Sunday show up. Oh, that's gotta be one of my favorite quotes of the entire week. I love chasing people. We need that as a drop. I love chasing people. I love chasing people, says Dexter Lawrence.

Fantastic. Um, and actually the Seattle defense may have to do some chasing and corralling of Daniel Jones because there are designed run plays for Daniel. He can also scramble and he will keep his head up and look for those openings, even if it's not a designed run. I don't love it when he's the leading rusher for the Giants. So it's good that Saquon Barkley is healthy and is now the feature back again. I don't love that for any quarterback, really, but of course it's falling on the Seahawks defense and Pete Carroll to defend those quarterbacks who can move around and run with the ball.

Yeah, we've been working that a little bit. We've seen some scramble yards, you know. Um, so we, we're, you know, we're challenged by it and it's, it's easy. It's, it's really, it's a big part of the game. You know, when you have a whole other element, particularly when the design runs, the scrambles are hard enough, but when you have designed runs with concepts where the quarterback out of the gun's carrying the football, um, it, it adds to the number count and they, you know, it's, it's a challenge to defend. People have been down on Pete Carroll as a head coach for a couple of years. No way that guy can coach a pair of socks and a jockstrap. And it certainly appears as though Pete and John Schneider made the right call on Russell Wilson.

In 2022 script is not completely written when it comes to Russ, but there was a reason why they didn't want to give him the fat contract that he and his agent were after. So yeah, giants and Seahawks this weekend. That's one of the feature games.

It's actually a nationally televised game on Fox on Sunday. Jakey had even hear me say that without laughing a cracking up. You can't get over it. No, it's unreal. How long has it been since the Giants had a winning record six years, seven years, six years. Well, enjoy it.

This is fun. It's amazing that the NFC East has turned into the toughest division in football. It's after hours on CBS sports radio, turning our attention to the NFC South where there are no teams above 500. The New Orleans saints are actually going to stick with Andy Dalton, even though Jamis Winston is healthy. So yet another kind of storyline from out of left field when it comes to quarterbacks. But Alvin Camara has confidence in Dalton kind of getting a good, a good flow. I think with Andy, I think he does a good job of just kind of staying poison and being calm about the way he is in the pocket and the way he gets to his reads. You know, I feel like he kind of, he never panics when he's going through his reason. He just kind of, he just get, it seems like he gets to the, to the right place at the right time.

You know, I mean, minus some of the things that we were doing that was self-inflicting. I think he's played well. And actually Alvin Camara, he had a conversation with the team. He essentially gave a speech about how the saints have to get their swag back.

He felt like it was on him to say something to his teammates because he didn't like where they were mentally on Sunday. We'll hear more about that in our football Thursday slash Friday show as we prep for week eight. Also in the NFC South, and this is why we do it here is because we've got Thursday night football in Amazon prime and the bucks are reeling. They've lost for their last five, their home at Raymond James stadium. The offense has been anemic and income, the Baltimore Ravens off a big win in their own division. That's your Thursday night football game. And Tom Brady, he knows they've got to reset here. They've got to take ownership.

This has got to be the week they turn things around. Playing with leads are great. You know, that's obviously what you want to do every week. And you know, you got to earn your way to a lead. I think that's the important part. It's just, you know, you don't start the game up seven nothing or 14 nothing.

You got to go do something about it. So I think we got to focus on what we have to do in order to get the ball down the field and score points. I've heard the word ownership both from Tom Brady as well as from Aaron Rogers is right now.

Their teams are below 500 and facing stiff tests in a week. Number eight as for Todd Bowles. Well, it's on him and on the Buccaneers defense to try to corral Lamar Jackson. And, you know, the Ravens are going to run the ball. Gus Edwards with two touchdowns last week in his return from his big knee injury.

This is a really challenging test, especially when the Bucks office doesn't provide a whole lot of cushion. He brings a huge sounds for us because it's probably the best runner, you know, not just quarterback runner, but one of the best runners in the league. A very smart can throw the ball down the field, strong arm, very elusive.

Even if you blitz them, you're not going to catch him. I like that. Except for if you're Micah Parsons, of course. So that's your Thursday night football game.

We'll be back to talk about it tonight as we wrap up our work week. And that brings us to Aaron Rogers who made some pointed comments on Pat McAfee Tuesday about how guys maybe should be getting bench. They shouldn't be getting reps if they can't catch the ball. They can't do the little things right.

If they can't be part of the solution, not part of the problem. And he is not backing down. He says nobody in the locker room is upset with what he said.

One of those guys has a problem with it. I'm right here. I love to have a conversation. I enjoy those conversations. You know, I enjoy any type of conflict like that because I know the resolution of the other side is going to make us a better unit, a better friendship, a better cohesion on the field.

But nobody's coming to me and said, I got a problem with what you said. I think everybody knows, Matt included, that everything's got to take a little uptick, get a little better. And Aaron actually is trying to take the leadership role here, which I appreciate. He's not calling out anyone specific, but recognizing that they all have to be on notice. It's very similar to what Brady said.

And yes, he is getting backed by his head coach. I'm not going to be a robot up here. You know, I don't understand why people have a problem with things that are truthful. You know, I'm calling things the way I see it. People don't think I need to hear that stuff out. That's their opinion. But I'm doing what I think is the best interest of our guys.

I've tried a lot of different things from a leadership standpoint this year. And you know, I was just relating my personal feelings in the situation. I didn't call anybody out by name. I think we all need to be on the details. And that includes me. I'm not just putting, you know, one or two guys on blast. I'm alerting everybody that this hasn't been good enough and we all got to do a little better job. We have to be truthful with one another. And sometimes the truth hurts and it's no different than, you know, when your kids make a mistake, right? You tell them about it and you make sure that I don't think he publicly called out individuals.

I don't believe. I just think that you have to get to the root of the truth. And that gives you an opportunity to learn and grow. And we can't run away from that ever. And no different than when we're in those team meetings, you know, you always call it how it is. And I don't think anybody's off limits and starting with myself.

No, but it sure is good for sports radio, of course. So Aaron Rogers, Matt LaFleur doubling down. And I, again, I do think that this is smart for Aaron because he's the leader of that team, the de facto leader.

If those guys are going to follow him, some of them are new, some of them are young, that remains to be seen. But this is on him to, to, because he's got the wisdom, the experience, because he's got the high expectations, because he's a two time reigning NFL MVP, it's on him to get everybody pointed in the right direction. I say this often losing either highlights the leadership in your locker room or it exposes the lack of leadership. And so right now the pressure off the field in the locker room is on Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady. Hey, by the way, another Aaron, Aaron Boone will be keeping his job as manager of the New York Yankees. I know baseball's a little out of sight, out of mind, but Hal Steinbrenner did say he plans to have Boone return and thinks he's a great manager. And so we'll get more into baseball as the World Series starts out on Friday, but we got football between now and then. Talk to you soon after hours with Amy Lawrence, CBS Sports Radio.

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