Eagles Flying High (Hour 2)

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Get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today. It is the Zach Gelb show on CBS Sports or CBS Sports Radio. You know, things have been a little contentious in our studios the last four months or so. For whatever the reasons are, whenever it's football season, Hickey and I, we go at it. And we throw like knives at one another. And it gets vicious. And we box.

And most of the time I just throw haymaker after haymaker after haymaker at Hickey. And he's in the corner trying to fight back. But he just can't find the way to get a punch or two off. Sometimes he gets a good jab. And then I fall back. I have to get myself back up. And then I just clock him right over the cabeza again. But I now see a smile, which I haven't seen in four months.

At a hot take Hickey. He's been moping around. Oh, my Colts stink. Oh, Jeff Saturday's my coach. Oh, my BFF Frank Wright got fired by the Indianapolis Colts.

Uh, my owner's Jim Hersey. Oh, Matt Ryan was a disaster. Hickey's been one miserable S. O. B. And one somber S. O.

B. This football season. But for the first time since baby September, like right after Labor Day, Hickey is smiling. Hickey is pumped up.

Hickey's doing the Cabbage Patch Kid dance because he loves the way that I just eviscerated for an hour. Kyrie Irving and just totally destroyed Kyrie Irving because Kyrie Irving is an insufferable jackass. And the dude's a fraud. He's a liar.

He is a pain in the rear end. And I needed to take 10 aspirin during the break because just talking about Kyrie Irving gives me a headache. But this clown and Kyrie Irving to have the audacity to say, Oh, yeah, the Nets aren't gonna give me a contract extension. So I want a trade request when you never really show up and actually playing you do so for three months. And now you need an extension.

It needs to happen now. Like, how about you get through a full season? How about you get through a full season? And this is also why I can't stand Kyrie because he only cares about himself. Like, here's the irony of all this. Kyrie Irving keeps on looking for something else. But every situation he's been in, it's actually a good situation. In Cleveland, he's with LeBron. I don't want to be number two. I gotta leave LeBron. So let me go to the Celtics. You have a young roster that looked up to Kyrie Irving. You had guys like Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, and they looked up to Kyrie and then they couldn't stand Kyrie because Kyrie Irving is a royal pain in the tuchus. So then Kyrie has to leave Boston because he's his own worst enemy. Then he goes to Brooklyn. I always wanted to play with Katie. I got to pick Brooklyn.

I'm home. This is where I want to be for the rest of my career. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now Kyrie isn't happy in Brooklyn and hasn't been happy ever since he arrived in Brooklyn, even though this is the place that he wanted to be. And a month ago, reportedly, even after everything that's happened the last two years, he said he wanted to end his career in Brooklyn. Like you look at the situations, Hickey, that this guy has been in. He's been with LeBron James in Cleveland, where they won a championship together.

Iconic. Then he goes to Boston with a young roster. Imagine if Kyrie Irving just wasn't a cancer. The Celtics just got to a finals last year.

You recall when they got to the Easter conference vinyl as well, like that's a good team. Imagine if Kyrie just wasn't a selfish pain in the ass. You would have had Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, Marcus Smart, Kyrie Irving. They probably wouldn't want a championship.

The Celtics almost won a championship last year. Imagine if they had Kyrie because say what you want about Kyrie. I used to be a big fan of the guy. I can't stand his guts now, but the guy's a heck of a player. Like he's having a great season. And now you're in Brooklyn, where through all the trade requests, I know KD is hurt right now, but you had a team that was in a really good spot this year to maybe shock everyone and actually go on a run. And now because you're not going to get an extension because this team is skeptical, skeptical of guaranteeing you future years and a long term deal, it's up.

I got to blow this whole thing up. It's actually impressive how much of a jerk this guy is, Hickey. But I know you can't stand him. And I know in some twisted way the Knicks, right? For years, Knicks fans now won't admit this. Kyrie Irving, right?

There was rumors that he was going to go there. I remember the graphics that used to be shown when they thought you guys thought you're gonna get the number one overall pick and get Zion and Kyrie and KD were gonna show and we're all gonna go there. And you got your hopes up a little bit that maybe Kyrie would be joining the Knicks, but now you're sitting there, you know, Hickey, and you're like, wow, Gelb, just keep on preaching about Kyrie because you can't stand this guy. And you're happy that your team dodged the biggest bullet in the NBA these days in Kyrie Irving.

So now we're getting along. I feel very bad for Nets fans. I do.

They don't. They are good people. They do not deserve the last three plus years, three and a half years, of the hell that Kyrie Irving has put them through. And that's what it's been. On the court, off the court, it has been nothing but hell. And can we be honest, though?

I know you're being a nice guy here. You hate the Nets. No, I hate Kyrie.

You hate the Nets. There's no player I hate more in sports. I don't hate anyone. I like to criticize some, but I really don't feel an emotional hatred like Tom Brady. Like, I hate him, but he's kind of cool.

Like, he was likable. You're just jealous. I hate Bill Belichick, but it's like, jealous. There's no athlete, especially, I hate more than Kyrie Irving. So it wasn't ever a Nets hatred. I like Kevin Durant.

I want to see Kevin Durant win. I will tell you this. You're lying. I'm being dead serious.

No, here's why you're lying. If the Nets trade Kyrie Irving, not that I'll root for them, but I'll enjoy them a lot more than when Kyrie's there, that's for sure. I remember when the great Bob Huesler used to work here. And there would be often many times, if the Nets were losing, I would hear you on the talkback, in between breaks, to Bob, ah, what's the score, Bob? Shame that the Nets are down by 15 points right now. You can't tell me.

That's right, because why? No, hold on. Kyrie's barely even played. You can't tell me that you actually root and want to see the best for the Nets. The Nets do annoy you a little bit. No, it was just this whole declaration of, they're here once they sign in 2019, of, oh my god, the super team is here.

They're gonna win how many titles? And then all of a sudden Kyrie Irving does what he did in Cleveland, did what he did in Boston, what a shock he's doing here in Brooklyn. And now it's like, oh my god, I can't believe this is happening.

No, you should have seen it from the beginning. I don't like Kyrie. I'm glad this is not working out. And again, if he's traded tomorrow, not that I'll root. Again, as a Knicks fan, I'm not gonna root for the Nets, but my hatred for the Nets will go right away. This is, to the rest of the nation, this is the typical Knicks fan. They tell you they don't hate the Nets, but they do hate the Nets. If we hooked up picky to a lie detector test and asked him if he will ever root or will ever enjoy seeing the Brooklyn Nets do well, and he said yes, we would detect a lie.

There would be an enormous big fat lie. I do not hate the Nets. I really don't hate the Islanders that much. When you are a fan in a city with two teams and you are the little brother, like let's say the Mets are compared to the Yankees, I hate the Yankees.

I won't hide that. As a Mets fan, I root for them to fail. But when you're on the other side, the Rangers are the biggest team in hockey compared to the Islanders and Devils. The Knicks are the biggest team in New York compared to the Nets. But the Knicks never win anything. But it's different. The way it's covered, the way even the fans root, it is different.

Don't get me wrong. The Knicks are the New York basketball team. But for the most of our life, the Knicks have been a big fat joke. So really, in the Knicks fans mind, like the thing that they win the most is when they get to kick and kind of pump, puff their chest out about the incompetence of the Nets.

Like, that's just the way that I feel about it. And I know that you guys say, like Knicks fans, oh we're above the Nets. We don't care about the Nets. You guys do care about the Nets. You do.

Just admit that. Knicks fans, they do care about the Nets. I know that the Nets in the New York sports landscape are really like a little pimple, right? A very small pimple on like the back of your leg. You barely notice them.

You barely see them. But it did drive the Knicks fan insane when the Nets got Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Well, I mean, yeah, all year people were saying, oh Kevin Durant and Kyrie go to the Knicks. Go in the Knicks. Go in the Knicks. So not that it was, you know, it seemed, according to everyone, like a slam dunk and they don't go. Surprising.

But again, now you're looking to see how it went. Not that the Knicks have won anything. But it's kind of like, alright, Knicks and Nets or the Nets have won what? One playoff series in the last three and a half years. The Knicks have won zero. A lot less drama.

A lot more enjoyable. But... It's not like the Knicks don't have drama. It's nowhere near what the Nets are going through, that's for sure. With Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, where, I mean, they are forcing... Sure, in the last two years. Your old producer, Mike Paseglia, biggest Nets fan I ever know.

I mean, he's, he borderland hates the Nets and borderland hates basketball because of what they have put him through. In the last two years, yes. But in the last 20 years, it still pales in comparison to what James Dolan has done. Oh, I'm not saying it's, it's better or worse.

I'm just saying. There's been similar post-season success with a lot less drama. I hope the Knicks start kicking ass.

Because I love, love, love, love the Rose family and, and Leon Rose. So, I wish your organization nothing but the best. That's a truthful statement. But you trying to say that you don't care about the Nets and, and if Kyrie leaves that you want them to do well. You'll see.

I don't buy that whatsoever. Because I remember many, many days, even before Kyrie was even on the team, where Hickey would be running around here at CBS Sports Radio, just trashing the Nets. Hey, how's the Nets doing? How's the Nets doing? You'd be trashing the Nets. And anytime you get a little shot at the Brooklyn Nets, you do take one.

Now, let me say this. Totally going to the NFL. There is buzz that the Saints are a potential suitor for Raiders quarterback Derek Carr, according to Jeremy Fowler. I could see Carr winding up with the Saints. And you look at that division, you have the Panthers, you got the Saints, you got the Falcons, and now the Bucks without Brady. Whoever gets the best quarterback this offseason, they're gonna be the favorite to win that division. Because you look at the Falcons, they don't have this great roster.

The Bucks, their Super Bowl roster is declining. But you still have Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. You then look at a team like the Saints, they have a good defense, but their offense is never healthy. And you look at Carolina, they have a good defense, but other than DJ Moore, they don't have much on the offensive side of the ball. Now, just because you go get the best quarterback, does not mean that you're definitely gonna win that division. But if Derek Carr goes to the Saints, and let's say Tampa Bay is starting Kyle Trask, and the Falcons are still starting Desmond Ritter, and the Panthers, like run it back with Sam Darnold and draft someone and then want to wait a year till they go to that guy, the Saints then would be the favorite to win the division. But are you really gonna win anything other than that?

Probably not. But I could see Carr, if it's the Saints or just any team in the NFC South, and I think if you're the Panthers, you're probably looking for a more long-term solution. Maybe if you're the Bucs, you want to do a quick fix, little bridge gap quarterback from Brady until you eventually, a few years from now, find your guy you want to keep whatever court you have from sinking and just totally going with a youngster that may not be ready. But I would think if the Saints get Carr, and there's no other drastic movement at the quarterback position in the NFC South hickey, that you would be thinking, even if it's not pretty, like you could be eight or nine again and win that division, that the Saints would win that division.

Yeah, I have a hard time arguing with. Like I said, the only team I look at still is the Bucs, and if you're saying it's, even if it's not Kyle Trask, but it's some, you know, maybe outside of Jimmy G, some, you know, if they go Sam Darnold or some journeyman quarterback, or if they hit the reset button, obviously that's different, but I'm with it. If there's no real dramatic quarterback move from any of the other three teams, Saints should be, even with all their injury history and problems, still should be the favorite in the South. And I would say outside of the Saints or any teams in the South, the other potential destinations for Carr, and I know this is, we're gonna get an answer if he gets released or traded within three days after the Super Bowl. So this is coming, and now you see that he's allowed to go talk to other teams, and there's teams that have already potentially maybe even agreed to compensation with the Raiders, and they're cognizant of what it would take to go out there and get Derek Carr. But let's just say, if we explore all the NFC South teams and it's teams outside of the NFC South, I would say there's probably two teams that come to mind. The commanders, and I think the commanders would actually be a good destination now. You heard his brother talk about how they want alignment from the top down.

Daniel Snyder, he's not trustworthy. And then the Jets, but then the Jets, you have, this is the tricky part for the Jets, they're in play for Aaron Rodgers. Sauce Gardner today is tweeting, hey Aaron Rodgers, I got to tell you something, oh wait, never mind, I forgot what I have to tell you. The flirtation has already begun, whether it's Joe Douglas reportedly being at the Senior Bowl and telling everyone they're gonna go make a play for Aaron Rodgers, and that's been kind of the talking league circles. But if you're the Jets, if you wait, wait, wait for Rodgers, and then let's say Rodgers gets traded to the Raiders, and Carr already makes his decision whether that's via trade or he gets released and signed somewhere, then you're SOL. Because then you didn't get Rodgers and you didn't get Carr, so that to me with the Jets is fascinating. How much longer do they wait for the Rodgers thing, because I think it feels like the Rodgers thing is gonna take a while to develop, where Carr, we're gonna get our answer or start to get our answers in the next like week two at max when it comes with Derek Carr Hickey. Timing's gonna be very tough and I wonder if that's gonna lower the market right now or make a trade almost impossible just because teams would rather wait to see could we get Aaron Rodgers, could we get someone else, and wait for Carr to get released rather than trade for him like I said in less than two weeks. And it seems like right now in the AFC the only legit destinations for for Carr that like, excuse me, or for Rodgers that's getting the most momentum are the Raiders and then also the Jets. The Raiders don't have that problem of having to wait on Derek Carr because they're getting rid of him, so they could wait as long as they want to go get Aaron Rodgers. Now you can have that same conversation like what about a Jimmy G with the Raiders as it is for the Jets. When you look at the Jets potentially pursuing Carr and do you wait, wait, wait for Rodgers, you go get Carr, the Raiders can say the same thing. Wait, wait, wait for Rodgers or if you go get Jimmy G do you pounce on that fairly quickly.

So we'll see how this plays on out. We'll come on back, we'll talk to Joe Di Camera in five minutes and then coming up at 7.40 we got a bunch of destinations for Jimmy G and we will fully dissect those potential destinations but let's go to Philly next and we'll talk with Joe Di Camera. Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs the Kansas City Chiefs the Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app NFC's best team it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today you're listening to the Zach Gelb show Zach Gelb show CBS Sports Radio we leave for Arizona coming up on Sunday we will be broadcasting live from Radio Row Monday through Friday next week I'll be going to Super Bowl 57 as well so we're looking forward to next week but first let's go to Philadelphia and now joining us he's gonna be the new morning host on Sports Radio 94 WIP and that's our pal Joe Di Camera's we'll talk a little Eagles and Chiefs coming up for Super Bowl 57 first off Joe I know I've talked to you behind the scenes but I want to say it on the air congratulations on the new gig and now thanks for coming on thank you Zach I appreciate it appreciate the kind of words looking forward to the Super Bowl and there's a lot going on here for sure if I were to would have told you before the start of the season that the Eagles would have been the Super Bowl what would you have told me well I would have told you that it's unlikely I would not have told you that it's a complete impossibility because it was obvious before the season that Eagles had made a number of additions that were likely to pretty dramatically improve the club AJ Brown being a really big one Hassan Radek has worked out better than expected so you know certainly there's been more done here than I would have thought but we knew they were pretty good I mean they got James Bradbury she knew you had two good cornerbacks the big mystery of course was with Jalen Hurston whether he could take a leap forward he took about six leaps forward and he has made an incredible difference and you looked at the NFC before the start of the year like we were talking about the Rams the Bucks the Packers and then who would be that fourth team and could that 14 challenge the other three and all those three teams that I just mentioned Joe really opened it up because all three were duds well they were and it really is one of the weaker conferences candidly I think we've ever seen I mean that did help the Eagles I don't know in the end that it really mattered because even if there were three or four great teams the Eagles very well still could have found their way to the Super Bowl but I think the Eagles are a great football team and that could tell you this I think they're the best team in the NFL since the 2013 Seahawks I really believe that if you if you go through the last decade I feel very confident the Eagles are the best team since 2013 Seahawks and maybe better than that squad but it was made easier the path was certainly made easier by a really easy conference and by the way as exhibited by I mean the Giants to the end were frauds not that they weren't okay but they weren't great Minnesota clearly wasn't great and so it really came down to the Eagles and San Fran which I think the Eagles are gonna win anyway but once San Fran had their quarterback situation in the conference title game I mean that was pretty much a wrap the Eagles really cruised their way to the Super Bowl Joe to camera here with us so I had Brandon Graham on back in September and he said this team was better than the team that won Super Bowl 52 myself Fletcher Cox today said that the 2017 team would have defeat this team what makes you think just wondering that this team is better than the team that won the Super Bowl a few years ago you know I think they just have more work more good players more great players I mean ultimately in the end Jalen is more of a sure bet than Nick Foles was now look Foles on the biggest stage the Super Bowl and the next biggest stage the NSF championship game played two of the greatest games of his life and you really can't play better than he did in those two games prior to that he was shaky for a couple games Jalen had one game this year that that I would call down one I mean and that's not really counting the last game of the season when they were kind of playing hide-and-seek with that because they knew they were gonna win the game against John's backups then I wanted him to go full bore so you know this team look both teams incredibly strong offensive and defensive line I think the the 17 team had a slightly better running game with a little bit more of a diversified backfield but and this team I mean this team is better wide receiver they're better at cornerback they're not as good at safety they're better at linebacker both teams really good but I think this one's better talking to Joja camera when you go into this game coming up next week the Andy Reid feel in Philadelphia I know he hasn't co-chair since 2012 but you know the importance that he had in Philadelphia sports just what's kind of been the conversation from this past week as you start to think about the game and obviously the storyline that no one could get past is the Andy Reid one yeah I mean it's complicated and it's something that I would tell you Zach I think people are very entrenched in what they feel and what I mean by that is you really have three categories you have love Andy Reid you have like Andy Reid and you have can't stand Andy Reid it can't stand Andy Reid is probably about 15% based on conversations from past years maybe 20% he certainly had his faults as a coach that that tripped Eagles up in some big spots but there is for the most part tremendous appreciation for what Andy Reid brought to Philly and there are a number of Eagles fans that do love them and it's created an odd dynamic entering this game because while you do get some people to say man I can't wait to beat Andy Reid I think there's a lot of people that feel I don't want to feel uncomfortable about the Eagles playing Andy Reid I'll just say this baby there's a lot of people that I don't believe will derive joy out of seeing Andy Reid lose and that's obviously the objective for Eagles fans is to see the Eagles win and Andy Reid lose but there's a lot of people that won't get pleasure out of that the way people enjoy seeing Phil Belichick lose in 2017. Here's the thing with Andy I also think you'll get some people that will say oh well he never won the Super Bowl in Philadelphia but then I think a lot of those people get quiet if that's their take because the Eagles eventually won one like if the Eagles did not win Super Bowl 52 I think there would be a little bit more animosity Joe De Camera leading up to this one because if they would lose to him it was like well he never brought a championship here and then he robbed us of winning a first title. Well I agree with that and I also think by the way Andy Reid having won one in Kansas City also mutes the conversation to a large extent when people say you know he's just not that good a coach anybody that says that is an idiot and there are people that still say that so there are idiots in the world I mean the guys get the fifth most wins in the history of the National Football League he's gonna finish third or fourth all-time you know he's been to a bazillion conference title games in both conferences I think it's like eight or something so he's an amazing football coach and he's also a good guy I mean most people around here know he's a good guy so yes I agree with your assessment though the Eagles winning certainly took some of the edge off of it in that regard. And I also will say this too Joe De Camera Howie Roseman how many times has that guy pretty much been fired by the fan base and whenever people start to doubt him and they had many reasons to doubt him he finds a way to prevail?

Well he does but let me circle back to Andy for one more thing and then I'll address how it works specifically. You know there's an interesting time between Howie and Andy that most people around here know which is that Howie came up through Andy through Joe Banner who used to be the team president at a time when the Eagles said they have a lot of success even though it wasn't a championship success and in many ways Andy built the blueprint for the modern day Eagles which is heavy investment in the offensive and defensive line through the draft and through at times free agency and that's how the Eagles won in 2017 that's how they won and that's how they're going to win next week and so there's an appreciation there. Look Howie is a remarkable GM I think he has a chance to find his way in the future to the steps of Canton, Ohio I really believe that now obviously he's got to win another title for that to happen maybe he's got to win two more titles for that to happen but I think the Eagles have been incredibly fortunate to have him he's a great GM you're gonna have your dips and 2020 was a big dip I mean the Eagles stunk and Howie was very culpable not the most culpable Carson was the most culpable by far but Howie had a bad couple years there and it led to a really bad 2020 but the reality is Howie Roseman is an exceptional general manager. I never thought about it until you just said it because we usually just think of coaches and and players right for the Hall of Fame but if Howie Roseman wins this Super Bowl you could make case that maybe he's already Hall of Famer but he's a lock to get in the Hall of Fame if you bring two Super Bowl championships to Philly? Look I don't think lock I don't because I'd have to look at the history to see how many I you know I don't know if the Broncos DM from the late 90s got it I don't even remember who it was obviously Shanahan was the coach so I don't know about that what makes this one pretty unique though Zach really unique if the Eagles win this will be the closest for an organization to have two titles with a different coach and a different quarterback now since the Raiders of 77 became the Raiders of 80 with a different coach and a different quarterback this this is rare and this will be the only time in the history of the salary cap era that that will have happened. You look at Sirianni I remember last year Joe De Camera when he had that flower analogy I go he's toast he just doesn't get Philadelphia and now a year later I know they they improved down the stretch I don't think you have a coach that understands Philadelphia better than him he practically seems like he's from Philly what really changed with Sirianni I know it helps when you get better players but I totally disagree with what Julian Love said the other day this guy has turned into a really damn good coach. Well no question look Love's comment was preposterous I mean obviously he's you know Sirianni's propped up like by good talent but he is I believe a legitimately good coach I don't think you could have done a better job than he's done this year I mean I don't what when he wasn't a finalist for coach of the year which is just absurd you know my rhetorical question I ask people is what did he have to do better I mean his team went 14 and 3 you know he lost two games when a starting quarterback got injured and I guess you can say well Shanahan won without his starting quarterback but what people nationally I guess somehow missed the Eagles didn't have to win those games I mean they were specifically not going all-out because they knew they had three games to win one game I mean they needed to win one game for home field advantage I know a lot of people don't like to hear that but it's just true so you know and I'm not saying they didn't try with their effort but even when they you know brought Jalen back they were still careful to make sure he stayed less injured I mean they were they were careful because they knew they were gonna be playing in this thing called the Super Bowl February the Sirianni played it right the whole time they could have gone 16 and 1 and I guess you then would have been the coach of the year but Sirianni I think is a great coach I think he's got a really good staff you know what he he definitely gets the players to play very hard and and one thing I think he's really good at also is scheme I mean the bottom line is let's be real coaching comes down to leading men it comes down to putting your players in the best position to succeed on both side of the ball good scheme comes down to hiring the right coaches you know and then there's a little little bit in there that you know you hope that he messages thanks to the public well which he has improved that so I think he's a terrific coach here's also the other thing Joe to camera you hear the way the players talk about him like in my conversation I've had with the son Riddick he raves about Sirianni but more so I know that what you could say about missing the two games without Jalen hurts they lost them both and all that who thought Jalen hurts is gonna be an MVP type of quarterback before the start of the season like you'd if you're optimistic about Jalen hurts don't thought it could be an MVP type of quarterback before the year like Sirianni has to get some credit for that well I totally agree I mean look the reality is the player gets the most credit if he's the player but the coaching staff has to get credit I mean you just do not get a leap of this magnitude without good coaching and that's a combination of Sirianni and obviously you know striking the offense coordinator and Brian Johnson the quarterbacks coach they all have a hand in it and and you know the other thing Zach is Sirianni leaned in and I'm not saying this is the most difficult decision but not every coach would have done this he leaned in to the full Jalen hurts experience he was not afraid to have his quarterback absorb a lot of hits and uses legs and threat here's the ultimate key to the Eagles offense it's not the Jalen hurts runs it's the Jalen hurts threatens to run and because he threatens to run just watch this in the Super Bowl because he is a threat for wrong because of how good he is when he runs it opens up every aspect of the Eagles offense including the running game when Jalen hurts that hands the ball to Miles Sanders because you have these guys on the outside edge outside linebackers and defensive ends they don't know am I supposed to crash down to Miles Sanders am I supposed to wait am I going through Jalen hurts is he going to be a quarterback of the passer is he going to come around the edges a runner these guys are frozen and that is that and the offensive lines greatness is that the the preeminent element of this offense it helps it go but what's the latest with the shoulder just wondering with Jalen hurts I know it's been over a month ago but it's still talking a conversation look we saw it he was mostly out of the the danger zone because he threw well even when the shoulder wasn't great and being over a month removed it seemed like he'd be able to take hits which he did last week what was a little strange last game is he he was more inaccurate than he'd probably been at any point this season so the question is is that a byproduct of the shoulder or was it just you know four or five passes that for whatever reason just kind of got away from him impossible for me to know the answer I will just tell you this I don't think the Eagles should worry too much about the shoulder I don't think Eagles fans should I it's been a while I think you'll get the full Jalen hurts go all right when you get to this game I know we still have a more than a week until we get to see this game played I'm leaning Eagles right now I think they're the better team clearly Mahomes is always a threat I will see how much healthier is off the ankle we saw what he did on practically one ankle against the bangles but what type of game do you kind of see playing out next on the I see a game when the Eagles roster beats the roster of the Chiefs and what I mean by that is look I think the two quarterbacks are close I think Mahomes is better I think Mahomes the best player of football but I think when you take the other 52 players on both teams you have a dramatic advantage to the Eagles I'm telling you Zach I think the Eagles gonna win by 10 to 14 points I think I'm gonna win pretty comfortably here's the analogy I'll give you when the when the Eagles and Patriots played in 2017 which was February 2018 for the Super Bowl I remember before the game ESPN did a a big study of the hundred and six players eligible to play in the game they literally ranked them from one to 106 they had Brady ranked one they had Rob Gronkowski ranked two and then they had a ton of Eagles I believe it was 14 out of the top 20 players were Eagles I believe this game is really similar in that regard Mahomes is amazing and deserves to be ranked one Kelsey's a great player for the Chiefs but the Eagles gonna have a ton of the top 20-25 players in this game the Eagles roster is gonna win the game and and I'll and I'll add this because someone asked me earlier in the week what is the biggest advantage the Eagles have the biggest advantage the Eagles have is Patrick Mahomes his contract see that's that's the difference the quarterbacks are similar no Mahomes is better but they're you know Hearst is great one guy makes about 50 million one guy makes a million that's how you have James Bradbury that's how you have AJ Brown that's how you have Hassan Raddick the Eagles team is better than the Chiefs team because the Eagles star quarterback makes about 1 50th of what the Chiefs star quarterback makes what do you say that that's that's why the Eagles win the football what do you say to people that still doubt how good hurts is that are maybe saying this is just a one-year run the only thing they have a chance to be right about is the Jalen Hurts has a style that leads to injury that leads to diminished play and that is possible in the years to come but other than that people here's what people are missing Zach I'm telling you I'm telling you I know what they're missing there are people that think what Jalen Hurts and the Eagles do is a gimmick it's college football style it's not a pro style offense what people don't realize is it's not a gimmick it's where the NFL is at for many teams right now it's where the NFL will be for the vast majority of the teams very soon and it's not going anywhere and Jalen Hurts is in many ways you know the quarterback of the future if you will and I don't frame it this way Zach and I feel really confident in the statement I'm about to make nobody has ever played the style of football that Jalen Hurts plays a quarterback better than Jalen Hurts in the history of football and what I mean by that is I'm talking about a quarterback read option zone read right at the side whatever you want to call it RPOs all that stuff when it's that with the threat of the run by the quarterback they hand off to the running back or to keep the ball to drop back and pass see Lamar Jackson's a bad passer and there are plenty of quarterbacks that are bad runners Jalen Hurts is the perfect combination of both now can he improve certainly do I think Steve Young could have done this 25 years ago if Steve Young was trained in this absolutely but what people don't recognize about hurts that we in Philly now he's been training at this for about 10 or 12 years this isn't like Jalen Hurts just stumbled upon how to do this Jalen Hurts did this in college Jalen Hurts did this in high school so when people say well Peyton Manning's great at reading defenses and he was he was exceptional at it pre snap and post snap but people don't realize when they think hurts is gimmicky hurts has been trained to read the outside edge rusher for the last ten years he knows what that guy's gonna do and where he's gonna go he makes the decision after the snap whether it's gonna be a run or a pass based on where that guy's standing and he's become a much better thrower nobody has ever done what hurts does better than hurts Joe we appreciate the time enjoy next week thanks so much have a great night back the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs the Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs the Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today you're listening to the Zach Gelb show that Gelb shows CBS Sports Radio so Matt who listens to us in Wisconsin Hickey who's a big-time listener to the show he says do yourself a favor while in Arizona next week find yourself a box of cactus candy and enjoy I know you are a health guy I know I eat somewhat healthy I would not call myself a health guy though but this is worth it all I ask in return is an honest opinion of it so Hickey we're gonna have to find some cactus candy whatever that is he sends a picture it looks like a brownie that looks pretty good or so I mean not looks I'm sorry sounds pretty good like I'm intrigued cacti so it's chocolate so it's not cactus it looks like it's chocolate cuz I tagged in this no you weren't I could talk to you though real quickly so we could get your quick thoughts on this I don't know how to I was just kind of funny the way is it cactus well it says cactus candy so I assume that it was like you know here we go what do you think and that looks like chocolate right it looks like a brownie with just like sugar on top of it I don't this might be like syrup from the cactus plant I got a look I don't this it looks I would not say chocolate looks a little more rose-colored or dark purple no let's do this can we google this real quickly what is cactus candy let's see what is cactus candy I will I am definitely interested so far pieces of cactus jelly candies which have been coated and treated with a simple syrup mixture I know my candy I know my candy that's for sure I thought what you were saying was the most ridiculous thing in the world so it's treated with the simple syrup mixture to make it immortal it sort of resembles gumdrops but flat in texture and look however keep an eye on the ingredients as one candy blogger noted in a sea of a cactus candy flavor assortment only one flavor which is prickly pear actually contained cactus no that's a little bit of a tease good to know pair though now to be fair on the photo that he showed it look doesn't that look like a brownie in the photo that he showed showed us that I just texted you too well that's what I was looking at yeah it looked purplish to me or like I said a little bit of a okay rose color which is why I went gummy more than chocolate I'm gonna send you another photo this this I think does a better representation where this looks more like a I don't know now they look good like a sour patch kid in a rectangular yeah mm-hmm I mean did you see the new photo that I yes I've been googling them so I've been seeing a lot recently here they look I mean I am I mean thank you to Matt for the suggestion you got a few things now on your plate you got it what else you got to get me Jim Irsay if we see him on radio row I mean you should be able to speak his language Jim better be right now knee-deep in interviews he cannot spend any time on radio right knee-deep in interviews they've interviewed everyone 9,001 times now for each one Jim Irsay if he's around which I have not usually seen him on radio row good anyway well actually you know why when you do the interview you gotta do it in front of his private plane no he doesn't go to radio row you got to go to him and the engines are bland McAfee McAfee we're like kind of buddy buddy with on radio row and now you got to find cactus candy cactus candy which seemingly should not be that hard to find now that's the easiest one to go get and you got to get me either Irsay or McAfee anyway you can think of all the auto parts right car care needs get guaranteed low prices and excellent customer service from the professional parts people at O'Reilly Auto Parts we got some Jimmy G destinations commanders Raiders Jets Dolphins Ravens Bucks Cardinals maybe the Titans as well we'll talk about which one of those are good fits when we not come on back because we got to talk to Matt Lombardo we'll do that at 8 20 p.m. Eastern which would be 5 20 p.m. Pacific so hickey gonna look out for the cactus candy McAfee and Jim Irsay you may want to bring a cowboy hat maybe the radio row to try to lure Jim over to our set the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app NFC's best team it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl again catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today the biggest game of the year the Super Bowl is on Odyssey and Westwood one brings it to you streaming live for free Sunday February 12th on the Odyssey app it's the Eagles versus the Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs Philadelphia Eagles are going to the Super Bowl again catch all the action from Westwood one your Super Bowl your Odyssey get in the game and download the free Odyssey app today