Kyler Murray Injury Reaction (Hour 3)

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Your guy, Tuatunga Vailoa, hasn't played well the last two weeks. I'm surprised you're smiling. I was just smiling because on ESPN they just had Adam Schefter trying to cover Larry Fitzgerald one on one as Steve Young kind of, as you can imagine, toasted Schefter.

That's just not right. I respect Schefter's shamelessness when it comes to all this with the gridding with the shirtless Kirk Cousins and the chains. And I didn't know that Schefter was in that good of shape.

Looks good. And, well, we do know he's not in football shape because no shocker, Larry Fitch just took him to the cleaners, but hey. And didn't he with the gritty tear his like ACL or something?

Yeah, allegedly. And then the Lambo Lee pin he did a year ago. Remember he tore his pants, I think it was. That show is not very kind to him, but he keeps on going.

He keeps on doing it. Hey, I'll take his paycheck. I'll take his paycheck if it means I have a torn ACL and then if I have to rip through a pair of pants. Heck, Mraz does it on the morning show for free. And get toasted by Larry Fitch. Yeah, I think you're right.

It's worth it. Did Larry Fitch then Gronk spike the football and did the football come up into Adam Schefter's face there? They didn't. You know, the camera cut away. So it wasn't like that one Saints play that was celebrated and then, you know, slammed the ball, hit him himself and the groin got shoved down. You know what I'm talking about? A long time ago. Well, he's on the celebrating end where Schefter would be on the toasted end, but you know what I mean?

Celebratory, you know, celebration got wrong, but you got it. I remember seeing Rob Gronkowski. Do you remember the one time Gronk tried to spike the football and then as he was about to spike it, he dropped the football and it was by total accident. Do you do you all remember that?

No, no idea. He messed up the Gronk spike. The ball just slipped out of his hand as he was about to spike that football. I forget who it was. I want to say it was against the Bengals or the Browns.

Anyway. Was this later in his career? Probably should have been the, you know, the evidence right there.

I would say like mid, mid part of his, like middle, middle part of his career, I would say. I think we all have a bad day. We're all, you know, a mistake or two. Yeah, it's okay.

Anyway, without further ado, I'm not talking about Freddie Undo. You never know what we're going to talk about on this show. Let's get to a news brief. Time for your daily news brief. We get you caught up on the rumors, reports and reconnaissance from the day in sports. In one of the dumbest comments of all time, Emmanuel Acho refers to Brandon Staley as a social media quarterback.

And when I say dumbest comments of all time, I mean, so in the sports world, like don't start calling up with serious issues and saying, Oh, this comment was dumb and this comment blah, blah. Calling Justin Herbert a social media quarterback is ridiculous. Like if you watch him, you know, he's a great quarterback. And he showed that up against Tuatunga Vailoa. Tua was 10 to 28 for 145 yards only through a touchdown. And Justin Herbert 39 to 51 for 367 yards through a touchdown as well. Let's listen up to Justin Herbert reflect on his big game as the Chargers win 23 to 17. It was good to see, you know, I think we had a really good week of preparation of practice and, you know, guys have battled and we've dealt with a lot of adversity this year. But for us to be able to pick that one up, get some guys back, some guys getting healthy this week, you know, it's been really good to see from our team.

Let's also hear from Brandon Staley. Credit Justin Herbert for spreading the ball around. You know, nine guys caught passes tonight. So that's the offense that we like to play where people touch the ball. I thought we ran the football well enough. And like I said, Justin was fantastic with his decision making tonight. That's a good defense that we just played. I have a lot of respect for them.

So to do it against them, you know, I think is a great thing for our team. Hickey, I'm going to put you on the spot because when they threw that stat up last night, that nine different players caught the football, I was like, who the heck were the nine players? How many of the nine do you think you can name?

If I can get six, I'll be happy. Yeah. Okay.

Let's go. Mike Williams. Yes. Keenan Allen. Yes. Austin Eckler. Yes. Josh Palmer. Mm hmm. Gerald Everett. Yes.

What is that? Five? That's five. One play you really hated. One play? One play you really hated.

You weren't even tweeting about it. That will give you then the player. Oh, thank you.

It is DeAndre Carter. That's six. That's six. Six.

Um, if you, if you, I think you could get one of the, of the final three. Did Bandy have a catch? No. I couldn't tell you his first name.

Um, I don't even know what that is. Bandy is like a number 83, very small. My stature receiver. So I kind of like him. Um, I'm trying to think here.

I'll give you a hint. I think there's a running back. This player went to UCLA. Josh Kelly. Yes. That's seven. Joshua Kelly.

Now you got no shot and getting the other two. Ready? Stone smart. Oh, they did mention him in the broadcast.

Okay. Went to old dominion. He's a rookie. And then the ninth and final player. Oh, wait, who did you say? Who was the guy that you said that I was like, who the heck is that?

Bandy. Couldn't tell you his first name. Oh, Trey mckitty. Oh, tight end, right?

I think so. Mike. No, it's not, it's not Mike Bandy, but I don't know also why I remember him for whatever reason, when they were taking knees at the end of the game, they had Michael Bandy was like probably five. He was like the guy behind Herbert to get this guy on his team. Now you should get to know him really well.

Cause you'll see him in a picture too from next year, but they had a buck 90. He was behind Herbert. So like if there was a God better fumble, that's like, that's the last guy defensive.

What are you doing? I guess I talked about anybody, but my favorite Chris Collins with analysis last night was when there was a fumble late in the game and Justin Herbert, fell in and he was like, Oh, look, look at the, the, the determination and the desire by Justin Herbert. And that's dangerous. When you make your money off your arm to be thrown in the pile, of course you go grab the football, right? Unless you want to be like cam Newton, get criticized for staying there from that pile.

You're open up Pandora's box of that one. We haven't gone back to that argument in a long, long, long time. Who was also the quarterback last year? Was it Teddy Bridgewater? When he threw an interception that made a business decision.

Yes. Broncos. Great call.

He had no did not want any part. I think it was the Eagles going back one, no part of it. Mike McDaniel. And I remember we got into a big debate about that. Cause I was like, yeah, you got to go try to make the tackle.

You're like, I kind of respect it. Mike McDaniel says the dolphins off to respond to this adversity. Football is a humbling game and that, uh, you know, these are the things that you have to learn as a team.

Um, unfortunately, we had to learn it the hard way. So that's, that's not, you know, for what we want to do with this team, that's not going to get us there. By the way, I don't think they're going to win this game up against Buffalo, a team that they already beat earlier in the year, Saturday night in Buffalo, which are parts supposed to be snowing ESPN each and every week, they had this matchup predictor and they put the odds. I don't know how the odds are, are calculated and how they get to these numbers. How much of a percentage of chance you think they're giving the dolphins to win this game? I will say 17%.

25.4. I think the bills are going to win on Saturday. I think they're going to win big, big. Wow. Yeah. Also Buffalo just had an kind of game against the jets. I will say they've had those kind of games now for a while. They're winning, but it's not like this is all. So I was talking to Maggie about this cause Maggie's, you know, crazy bills fan.

Obviously she hosts three to six here on, on CBS sports radio. I probably should have said that part first instead of the crazy bills fan. And I said to Maggie, I go, it kind of feels like the Milwaukee Bucks from a few years ago where you've been in the post season, you know what you got to do. And I, I know you don't want to ever diminish the NFL regular season because home field advantage does matter. But at this point, it's almost like, all right, just get to the playoffs already.

And that's when the real season starts for the Buffalo bills. Let's go to Tuatunga Vailoa on what went wrong on offense. All in all, just, we were out of whack, out of rhythm, you know, we're trying to find it. You know, we felt like we had some momentum then, you know, something happens, whether it's a penalty or a, we get, we get stopped on, on a play. So, you know, we'll, we'll just have to get better from it.

I said this to you a few weeks ago, Hickey, and I think you got a little bit annoyed at me or you didn't understand it. When we were talking about MVP conversation, I said two won't win the MVP because I think the most valuable player on the dolphins is Tyreek Hill. Kind of shows you last night where Tyreek Hill, yeah, he had two big plays, but unless if Tyreek is just out of this world, dominant force, the dolphins they're good, but they're not that good. And it just shows the importance of Tyreek Hill in a game like that last night. And even going back to last Sunday against the 49ers, not been a very good luck for two of what's our last two games.

And yeah, I think you're right about that. They took in both games, Tyreek Hill away as much as he could to a no answer. Brock Purdy discusses why he was never complacent at any point during his first career start. For me, I just kept telling myself, dude, this thing ain't over with that guy on the other side of the field. I just wanted to keep putting up points on the board however many times we could, knowing this dude's made all these crazy comebacks in his career.

So I didn't want that to happen in my first game as a starter. And let's get to Dre Greenlaw, starstruck of Tom Brady on why he asked Tom Brady to autograph the football he intercepted. Man, the worst thing he could tell me is no.

So I mean, I was always told, you don't ask, you'll never know. So I mean, he's a good guy to be able to sign that ball out there. He didn't do them picks like as a big time. So I mean, I appreciate it. He's the greatest. He's the greatest.

He's a goat. So I appreciate that. You approach him and what did he say to you? Yeah, I went like a little fan.

I went like a little fan girl. You know, I tried to, got to, you know, soothe him up, make him feel better. So like, man, yeah, he's the greatest ever, man. You know, all that good stuff.

But he is, he is. But I mean, you know, and he, he was like, yeah, I appreciate it, man. Good job and stuff. And I was like, man, you ain't even got to sign the balls. You know, I just, cause I knew he looked like he was going through a lot. So I was like, man, you ain't got to sign the balls. And then Fred come over there.

Fred's like, you get the ball, son. And I'm just like, yeah, man, now you got to sign these balls. And he signed them. So I mean, it was, it was cool, man.

Yeah, no doubt. You know, for all these people, that bitch, oh, whenever Brady loses, he doesn't shake hands. He was shaking hands and signing a football that got picked off.

Hickey, you know, that's how bad the season's been for the bucks. If that's what I have to praise Tom Brady about in the national radio program, I don't mean to take this too serious. Cause this is actually a very funny like topic.

I think I was going to show you with age, Tom Brady, either with the season, just being at how bad is losing 35, seven homecoming guys. You know what? Fine. No shameless on the balls. Who cares? He's just a good dude.

That TV 12. Dan Campbell credits Jared Goff for playing some great football. He's playing outstanding. And you know, he's, he's a direct link as to why we are playing better. You know, he's playing really good football and you know, he's taking care of the football.

He's making big pros, man. He's been highly accurate and just, man, there's a lot of faith, a lot of faith in him and he's got a lot of faith in us. And so, man, I thought he had another hell of a day and he stepped in there and I'll tell you what, he's, he's cool. He's calm. It's collected. He's making these throws and the old line is blocking well, you know, the protecting the heck out of him. So I don't disagree.

It was, it was good to see man. Hickey. So your team stinks. My team could be a fringe playoff team. If we just had to take our teams out of it, is there any team you're rooting more for down the stretch than the Detroit lions who originally started this year, one and six and are now six and seven. I would love to see the lines make the playoffs in terms of just the regular season down the stretch.

No, the lines are the team I'm rooting for the most without a doubt. Oh yeah. That's what I just said. No, I'm just repeating. Oh, okay.

Just more repeating where you were just to make the emphasis. So I don't get caught where it's like, oh, you're rooting for the lions more than, you know, pick out or for the 49ers to make, you know, super role. I want to be right. No, no big deal, well, but just the regular season, you can't be right on the 14. You can't, what was your preseason prediction?

It was the Broncos on the ramps out of the NFC. Yeah. Let's just alter all the predictions that we make. Well, I think people adjust. You just, you just, you're super old piggy at the Ravens. Yeah. And I, I own that it's going to be an L, but then if I get my next super bowl pick, right, it's all like, I'm going to be puffing out my chest.

I'm not saying I'll be walking around the news and like, I'm, you know, the smartest guy in the world, but you retweet anything you get right. When it was, when everyone was jumping off the 49ers bandwagon, Jimmy G had doubled down. Dan Campbell says he knew the lions would turn this season around.

I don't think there's a surprise here. We, we, you know, I've said it before. You know, it's, it's hard when you, you get down in the dumps and you were where we were at, you know, it's easy to lose faith, but these guys never did. And we stayed true to what we were about. And, and they knew, they believed we were one play away and that's, that's where we've been. And so now we're making the play, you know, we're, we're making the one extra play. It's not costing us, you know, and we're able to over overcome some of these mistakes we were making earlier. So no, our guys, they know they belong. They know they belong and they know when they play football, like we've been playing the last six weeks, we can play with anybody. That's the truth, you know. And finally, Chris Carter ranks the best Viking wide receivers between himself, Randy Moss and Justin Jefferson. And I think the answer is going to surprise you.

This was on Kay Adams show up in Adams. In all respect, I will, I will take the third position. I believe both of them have a lot more athletic ability than myself. I will make Randy Moss second.

And that's a high, high second because I do believe that Justin does a few things better than him. Catching the ball in traffic, his ability to get in and out of his brakes, the variety in his routes. He goes in motion a lot more than Moss would ever go in motion. Randy Moss is bad dude, first ballot call to fame, but it lets you know, it's not to speak bad about Randy. It lets you know how good Justin Jefferson is. Now, Randy at this level had still scored, I think 10 or 15 more touchdowns, but Randy also in the first three years had me on the other side compared to Adam Thielen. God bless Adam Thielen, but it was a different, different game. I do believe that him and Randy Moss neck and neck, but Justin can do so many things at an elite level. It is what it is, man.

When you see a unicorn, you tell people, Hey man, that's a unicorn. I love Justin Jefferson. I was slamming the table and pounding the table for teams to draft him after seeing what he did at LSU. As much as Chris Carter is so entertaining to listen to, and we know what he's done in this league. You can't put Justin Jefferson right now in front of Randy Moss. I know Justin Jefferson historically has been great through the first three years at a ridiculous rate.

I still got to go Moss over Justin Jefferson for now. Zach Gelb's show CBS Sports Radio Drew Trenkle from the Chargers joins us next. So my biggest fear is there's going to be sneaks in the toilet. We're all afraid of that one strange thing. I'm Larry Mullins, the host of a new short 10 minute podcast called your weirdest fears. We unpack where these fears come from a rat climbed into my toilet and learn how to manage them. Listen and subscribe to your weirdest fears on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. What makes your skin crawl no matter how absurd I want to know tales without fur on them, such as rats or opossums. I'm Larry Mullins, the host of a new podcast called your weirdest fears. You send me your fear.

I'm just so weirded out about the texture and how they can just move around and flop. And then I go to the experts to learn how to overcome them. Listen and subscribe to your weirdest fears on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts from. Throughout the sixties and seventies, cops hunted down key figures of the Dixie mafia, including its enigmatic ringleader, Kirksey Nix. I'm interested in making money.

I'm not interested in hurting people. 15 years into Kirksey's life sentence, the Dixie mafia was practically folklore, but that would soon change. I'm Jed Lipinski. This is Gone South, a documentary podcast from C-13 originals, a cadence 13 studio season two, the Dixie mafia available now on the Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to the Zach Gelb show. We continue it as the Zach Gelb show coast to coast on CBS sports radio. What a great victory for the Los Angeles chargers. Last night, as they take down the Miami dolphins by a final score of 23 to 17, just a really gritty performance by the chargers defense. And now joining us as one of their linebackers and drew Tranquill had a really good game, five tackles and two pass deflections.

And he joins us right now on the Zach Gelb show on CBS sports radio. Drew, appreciate you doing this again. Congratulations on the win and how you been? Hey, I'm good Zach. How are you doing?

Well, I'm doing fantastic. I felt when watching that game last night that that was your guys's best performance of the year. Did you guys get that sense that that was the best win the chargers had this season?

It certainly felt like that Zach. We just, we seemed like we were clicking on all cylinders defensively. I mean, we had a ton of key guys out.

When you just look at the guys across the defensive front, four of our five starters missing, arguably our best defensive player, Derwin James is out. And we just had a ton of young guys step in and we were clicking. The rush was going, four man games were working. And in the back end, we were all over them.

You mentioned those past deflections. We had guys, you know, deflecting the ball throughout the entirety of the game and it really challenged them. I think in the, in the middle of the deep part of the field, I think that's what won us the ball game. And you never know how physical you're allowed to be and how it's going to get called, but I saw a really physical defense last night, Drew.

It was physical. And I think I thought they said it well after the game. It's like our game plan was to get, just to get in their face and to challenge them. When you look at the speed they have, a lot of people will play soft and just try and let them catch it and not beat them explosively. I thought we really challenged them.

Really. I felt like outside of that fluke fumble that Tyreek picked up and took the house. And then the one where Michael Davis was incredible position played really good defense outside.

And it just unfortunately tripped up. If he doesn't trip up, he probably takes off the past outside of those two plays. I felt like really, we, we put a roof over those two guys. When you talk about Jalen and Tyreek and the speed they have and, and did a nice job on them. What was the biggest point of emphasis leading into that game and what you guys needed to do defensively? Well, I think we, we knew missing four out of five guys up front, we knew we had to win a lot of scrimmage. We knew we were going to have a lot of guys in there who hadn't played together.

And so just the continuity of winning line of scrimmage up front. And then we knew we had to put a roof over 10 and 17. You know, when their offense is clicking, it's when those guys are able to hit explosive passes, who was able to get it and push it down the field. And then we knew we had to contain them in the explosive plays category.

And then we knew we had to try and turn them over. And I think more than anything, you know, we had to force fumble that, that ultimately led to a touchdown for them. But I think more than anything, our offense did a really good job of not turning the ball over and capitalizing on their possession. So it was just complimentary football across the board.

Drew Tranquil here with us from Los Angeles Chargers. You've mentioned the injuries a few times. I know injuries are never excused and it's unfortunately the reality of this sport, but with how many injuries you guys have suffered this year, does it feel like it's been holding back this team from reaching their full potential?

Well, whenever you're missing starters, you, you lack continuity. And I think in any NFL season, it's, it's 17 games into the playoffs and it's all about building, creating continuity and kind of building momentum. And you see it every year, teams that come out of the gate hot, um, winning a ton of ball games and then fall off.

And sometimes don't even make the playoffs. We want to be one of those teams that's kind of building momentum and peaking at the right time. And I really felt like last night was a step in the right direction, but when you, when you're out guys and you're, you're rotating guys in and playing with guys who you haven't necessarily played with, there's a certain level of continuity and comfortability that comes with, with playing with guys and, you know, developing that time under task. And, and we've certainly lacked that this year, but, um, we're, we're a resilient bunch and we're keeping ourselves in it. When like last night, when you look at what this team could accomplish down this, down this, the, uh, stretch, you think it's obviously Drew Tranquil step in the right direction, but where do you think, where do you envision this team is heading to in the final month of the season? Well, we believe we're a playoff playoff contender and last night was a step in the right direction.

You look at Miami, they still got to go to Buffalo. Um, and so that's going to be huge having that head to head Mark over them, head down the stretch. Um, when you look at the chiefs who are, who are, uh, in a really good position to take the AFC West, we got to, we got to take care of business these last four games. Um, and nothing's given everything is going to be earned and, and we're hoping to get a few key guys back and, and, and continue to get healthy and play our best football heading into December here. Uh, but last night certainly felt like maybe that spark to get us heading in that right direction. We got a tough task with Tennessee coming in this week.

Um, and it's going to be a tough last four games for us heading down the stretch here. You being in that locker room and understanding the pulse of the locker room, obviously you needed the win last night, but did you guys needed that win more so just for a little bit of a confidence boost with some of the misfortunes you've had this year? I don't know that we were, we were in it for a confidence boost.

I think we, we believed in each other. Um, I think more than anything, uh, maybe a confidence boost is when you're missing some of your key guys. Um, there's, there's just a, there's a belief factor that comes when you have your key guys in there. And I felt like even though we didn't have those guys, the belief was there last night.

There were some, some magical about it. I, when we, when we brought it up in the huddle, right, right there before the game started, I was just looking in the guy's eyes and the message was, man, all it starts with a little belief, a little belief in the heart, man, and we could do something special here tonight. Um, and we really took advantage of that opportunity.

And, um, I think it's certainly a confidence booster if you want to put it that way. Um, I think it shows that, you know, even when we didn't have our best guys, we could go beat a really quality team, a team that's going to be there in the playoffs, um, a really high powered offense. And even though we didn't have our best guys, man, we were able to come out with the W, which is the most important.

Drew Tranquil here with us. Was the defensive performance at all surprising? Cause you look back at the numbers and you even said it, other than the fluke play with Tyreek and then the, uh, the trip up on the long touchdown by Tyreek as well, that offense for Miami, which has been high octane all throughout the year, was able to really generate nothing last night.

Yeah. Like I was saying earlier, we really are our defensive backs, uh, our pass for us working together. Um, they really put the pressure on, uh, you know, you see Kyle Vianoy hit that incredible move on Armstead. Uh, Morgan Fox got home, uh, Sante Samuel, Michael Davis, Jasir Taylor, Alohi Gilman, Nasir Adderley, all these guys in the secondary for us, uh, really held up and did a nice job. Um, and I thought we just tackled well, played physical, um, outside of a few, you know, scrambled by two. I thought we did really well in the run game. Um, they had a couple of runs that kind of leaked on us a little bit, but other than that, we, you know, we played really well against the run, which is something we've been struggling with, you know, missing guys and, and lacking that continuity. So I thought just overall, I was really proud of the way we played on defense.

I think we had him at 55 yards in the first half. Um, and you know, whenever a team gets, you know, punched in the mouth like that, they're going to come out in the second half with some stuff. And, and I thought we did a great job of absorbing, you know, the corrections they made at halftime and, and being able to shut them out there in the, in the third and fourth quarter to win the ball game.

Yeah. You take the win, however it comes, and I'm sure it doesn't matter on the scoreboard, Drew Tranquil, but when I say 23 to 17 was the final score, it didn't seem like it was that close. It didn't, we talk about those, those couple fluke plays. It's like, man, we rake it right out of the guy's arms and there's a scramble for the ball.

And next thing you know, it's like you blink and Tyreke's in the end zone. It's like, my goodness, that guy's so fast, but it's like, you know, when we're getting three and out and we're, and we're really putting a roof over the coverage and, uh, playing well in the run game, it doesn't feel like they have anything going and it was those two explosive plays that really put points on the board for them. You know, I, if anything, I thought their defense really came out in the second half and gave them a chance to stay in that ball game.

Um, I thought Justin was electric all night. I thought our run game got going at times and, you know, I thought they came out and, and really challenged our offense there in the second half to try and create possessions for two, uh, um, and those guys to get going. But, um, they're a tough, they're a tough club and they're going to be there at the end.

Um, and I'm just really excited for our club, our organization. We've been through a lot this year and to get that win last night in prime time really meant a lot to a lot of people. I picked you guys to win, but with the record being seven and six and going and you guys were six and six, you know, the saying same old chargers are going to keep on popping on up. And then when the Tyreke Hill play happens, it's like, oh, that only happens to the chargers. How do you kind of fight that stigma when people all throughout the year are saying, all right, whenever we think the charges are going to be really good, they're not as good as we think they're going to be. Well, Zach, I appreciate you picking us, man, cause nobody else picked us.

Uh, first right pick I got probably all year. Let's go. Hey, we just got to control what we can control.

You know, history is what it is. Um, and, and we want to create change here and we believe we have the guys, the coaches, um, and the people in place to do that. Um, and so we just got to keep playing good football, um, keep creating that momentum, that confidence, that belief you're heading down the stretch.

Um, and I think we're going to be able to do something special. I know last night is the chargers against the dolphins, but us in the media, we talk about it as Justin Herbert going up against Tua Tunga Vailoa. A lot of things were said leading into that game. Was that game a little bit extra personal for you guys in the locker room where how some people were dissing your quarterback and Justin Herbert?

Yeah, man, I don't know what's up with Emmanuel Ocho man. He's a great guy, but social media quarterback, this guy's thrown for more yards and three seasons than any other quarterback in NFL history. So he, uh, I'm glad he went out and had a superstar performance. We said, Justin, we're going to need you to play your best ball tonight.

And he went out there and did that with everything on the line. I mean, you just can't say enough about what he does for our club and what he brings to our organization. It seems like the entire locker room is aware of what Emmanuel Ocho said with the social media quarterback.

Oh man. I love how our social media team plays and jabs back and forth with it, but, um, it's crazy. He said that, I mean, some people in media, sometimes they say stuff, uh, it's headline stuff, it's catchy and, and they got to debate with one another and it creates viewership. But I think in his heart of hearts, he knows Justin's a superstar. So you tell me, you describe what type of quarterback you have in Justin Herbert, man. He's just as steady as they come. I don't, I don't know that there's, uh, another guy I've ever played with that is able to take success and take failure the way he does. Uh, he's just super steady, never gets too high, never gets too low, loves being a part of the chargers, loves being a part of our team and, and loves just playing football with the guys. And, um, you know, you can look at athletes across history and some experience success and it gets to their head and, you know, they fall off some experience failure and they're never able to bounce back and get through it. Justin's the guy who through my time of knowing him, which has been his entire time in the NFL, he's been nothing but steady.

And I think you're going to continue to see greatness unfold in his career on the way out with your tranquil from the chargers after their big victory last night up against the dolphins. You guys haven't had Joey Bosa for a while. No Derwin James last night when those guys aren't playing, how can they still help you guys in preparation and then during the game in trying to secure a victory? Well, I mean, these are premium players we're talking about. These are guys who have a lot of experience, um, who have had a lot of success in the NFL. And so whenever you have these guys on your sideline and you have guys out there who haven't had as many reps, who don't have as much experience, they can draw from just their presence. They can draw from their leadership, from their words, from what they see.

Um, and I think more than anything, just their presence and the energy that they create and bring it. It's huge when we have those guys on the sideline and we certainly needed them there last night and they were there and it helps us get a big, big win before we let you run. I know it went in your guys's favor, but I have no clue. And I'm sure you don't either as a defensive player had to hit the quarterback because I don't know what Jalen Phillips did wrong when he hit Justin. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know if it's a, it's a full body weight thing that was, uh, you know, as a football player, that's a bit, that's a bit unfortunate, you know, the reps are going to call what they see. Um, I thought he made a great, a great pass rush move. It was a physical tackle. Um, and how they have the rule written, man, they want to protect these 50, $60 million guys. So if you lay it with all your weight on them, they, uh, they're going to throw the yellow thing out of their pocket, but um, that was certainly a big play. Uh, you hate to see it. It's a physical game.

Um, and it is what it is. We've had those moments. I think Joey's had a few called on him, but, um, that was unfortunate. The kid made a great move in a physical tackle. Um, it worked in our favor thankfully, but, um, uh, it's a tough play.

It's a tough play at the bang, bang thing. When you start to prepare for Tennessee, you know what Derrick Henry is able to do in this league. What do you think will be the biggest point of emphasis all throughout the week when you look at that Titans offense?

Well, he was, he was rolling in the first half, first Jacksonville. Um, and you know, they played well in the second half and we're able to get the W um, he's a big back. He's physical.

It gets downhill. Uh, we're going to create a wall in the run game. We're going to be physical at the point of attack. We can't be trying to swim, get up field, um, and dodge blocks. We really get, it's going to have to be a physical game. We're going to have to win a lot of scrimmage if we want to chant. Um, and we can't let, we can't let him get going, uh, when he's able to get going, um, he's a tough back to bring down.

I've got all the respect in the world for his game and what he's accomplished in his career. And I'm excited for the challenge. It's going to be a good challenge for our team. And it's another big game. Drew Tranquil once again, congratulations on the victory up against the dolphins. Good luck against Tennessee. We appreciate the time.

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AutoZone. So no score between the Patriots and the Cardinals. Kyler Murray, though, did leave the game. He had to get carted off, non-contact injury. Hickey, I'm not a doctor, but that looks like he's going to be done for the season. Kyler Murray with after this only four games left in the season anyway, but that maybe something else will happen.

I know you don't. I know they listed him questionable to return. I think there's no way he's going to return in this game. You got to think that's a torn ACL.

Maybe I'm hoping it's not. Maybe it's one of those things where it looked worse than actually what it was. But when you get carted off the field like that, nine times out of 10, especially on a non-contact injury, it usually means your season's over. Yeah, that's unfortunately an easier diagnosis for even amateurs like you and me.

Just when you're running to your right, you put your right leg in the ground and also next thing you know, you just collapse on the ground. 99.999% of the time, it's fortunately blown out knee and probably ACL. And like I said, probably season ending for at least the rest of this year.

Then, like I said, too, we'll see how late it is. I mean, being December, he's even ready for week one. Well, yeah, I would be shocked if he's ready for week one.

Yeah, you would think he would start that season on Pup. Now I'm trying to figure out if it was the left leg or the right leg. I would say the right because he planted on his right leg and then once that plant and cut happened, that's where he kind of jumped up and then fell down. And he doesn't grab either of his leg because when I first saw it... Now I'm watching the replay here. I'm trying to determine if this was the left or the right because my first indication was that it was his left leg. But let's see, just on the second look.

I don't know. It's so weird because he's running in both directions. You know, he's running obviously.

And let's see, this is the second one. He does cut to the right and then he cuts back in with his left. I thought it was his left leg that gave out.

But hey, regardless, one of the legs you would think it's going to be a torn ACL. Now it's so weird because the Cardinals are 4-8. They're having this disastrous season. They're going to be in the top 10.

They're going to be in the top 10 because the Cardinals are 4-8. They're having this disastrous season. Kyler Murray and clearly, Kliff Kingsbury are both butting heads here.

When we look at this, they just extended both these guys. Obviously, you know Kyler Murray's not going anywhere. But Kliff Kingsbury just got a contract extension this offseason when you didn't need to to extend them through 2027. I know you didn't want him to be a lame duck.

Maybe you give him a that. But extending him through 2027, I don't think he will be back and I don't think he should be back. But I just wonder if Michael Bidwell is going to look at this and say, we were without the Andre Hopkins for the first six games. And then even though they're pretty much out of it anyway, but you're going to most likely be without Kyler Murray for the final four games. I wonder if Michael Bidwell talks himself into using those excuses so you don't have to pay Kliff Kingsbury so many years without him actually coaching this team. It's kind of crazy to think, but I think you're right.

It's like, it's one of those where... You can talk yourself into it, right? Not that it's right, but if you're an owner and it's your money, you kind of look for excuses and you have some excuses there, even though logically, they don't really make much sense. And I think a lot of owners do operate, and maybe this is because I'm a Colts fan, operate in a motion where it's like, if it gets bad and you end the season on, I don't know, a four or five game losing streak and everything's there and you just look ugly, I think it's a lot easier to fire Kliff then compared to now, well, the final four games, basically, he's going to be without their best quarterback. You can justify it as, oh, we didn't have Kyler the last month of the year. It's Colt McCoy. You kind of get numb to the losing.

And almost in a way, the year doesn't seem as bad as it truly is because you kind of justify with different things that you have everything running back next year, which it shouldn't, but you can justify it in your mind. Now, I guess ultimately what it comes down to as well is Kyler Murray, is he that annoyed at Kliff Kingsbury that he goes to Michael Bidwell and say, we need a coaching change? Because if that happens, then I think Kliff Kingsbury is dunzo. And judging by some of the looks of it in their kerfuffles, let's just say on the sidelines, I'm not going to say that is out of the realm of possibilities.

He would be. Yeah, right. Because if you think about two people that would get Kliff fired, either be Kyler or probably the owner. I don't think Steve Kymon is the one going to be making the call on his own about firing Kliff. And you think Kymon would want to keep him because if you're Steve Kymon and you say, hey, let's fire Kliff Kingsbury, it doesn't look too good for you, sir. Right. Right.

I would agree. So it's a fascinating off season for Kyler. Like you said, to kind of see one, what his health is going to be after we presume what is a torn ACL. And two, now does he want his coach around for 2023? Yeah, it's a mess. That team's a mess. If you really look at the NFC West, the Rams, disaster season. And I don't know when that gets better because who knows how much longer Aaron Donald's going to want to play. Maybe Matthew Stafford retires at the end of this year and retirement I don't think is that far away from Stafford.

Cooper Cup coming off an injury. We know though when healthy is one of the best wide receivers in the game. That Rams offensive line, they got to fix that. If they don't fix that, they have no shot of being decent next year. Then you look at Seattle. Seattle's had a good year, but they're starting to fade. And with that being said, you just want, did you see the Jordan Schultz conversation today?

I think it was a Pat McAfee. They want to get a long-term deal done. The Seahawks and Geno Smith. I wouldn't be okay with running Geno Smith back next year. I'm not willing to give him a four or five year deal though. I think he needs to show it another year before you think about committing long-term to Geno Smith, Iggy.

I would 100% agree. The money has to be right on both sides, but you kind of look at Geno in the Daniel Jones S camp of a shorter term smaller money. Now Geno's played much better than Daniel Jones. But similar, you know, the contracts you think will be similar, if not in money, at least in years. And then you, so we mentioned the Seahawks, the Cardinals and the Rams and the 49ers, they have this talented roster. You just never know who's going to be playing quarterback for them.

Right? I would think Jimmy G's not coming back now after this injury. You use the three first round picks to go get Trey Lance. He's really not been able to prove anything to you so far. Injuries or just not getting the opportunity. And now Brock Purdy's playing well.

You know, if Purdy goes on a run here, it really shows you. And this is an early conversation, but even at the time when they traded up to the third overall pick, it felt a little bit unnecessary because we didn't know who they were going for. And you were going for the third quarterback off the board. It was really an indictment on Jimmy Garoppolo and Garoppolo has played well since then. They made the playoffs last year, got to an NFC title game, were on track to do that again this year with Jimmy G as the quarterback after Trey Lance goes down. I know what the 49ers are trying to do. They're trying to emulate the Chiefs where they had a good situation. They were trying to make it even better and go from good to great. But trading three first round picks and these guys that aren't Trey Lance that start to play look better than what Trey Lance does.

It makes that deal look worse and worse and worse as the days continue to go on. Like I'm not ready to write Trey Lance off yet, but it does feel like it was an unnecessary move or they could have maybe have struck gold elsewhere and given up a lot less capital. Yeah, I guess the tough part is we just don't know because he hasn't played about four games or really three and a half games. He got hurt so early in the Seahawks game. It's like maybe he can be even better than Brock Purdy, Jimmy G. But we're going now three years of this guy not playing football.

I know. North Dakota State that final year lost because of COVID. His rookie year barely played and this year he barely played. It's like four and a half, five games in a three year span.

It's not good. Now we've seen guys sit, but now this guy sat and got hurt. It's just, I don't know if you're sitting for three years and it may take a full year until he gets back to feeling normal next year too. Cause when you recover off an injury like that, there's a mental component too. You may not find out what Trey Lance is until he's in his fourth year in the league. And if you're Kyle Shannon and John Lynch, now you're able to win games so it makes up for it.

But you traded three first round draft picks for this guy. This guy needs to be the guy. And if he's not, then where do they go from here?

But I guess the saving grace is Shanahan's at least made it work with whoever they plugged in. Now, is that something that's sustainable? Eh, that I do question.

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