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And tonight my special guest. He is the president of Personhood Tennessee and a pro-life activist. And this radical has been arrested and convicted for peaceful protest at a bloody abortion mill. In other words, doing what he was supposed to be doing. And then he was pardoned by President Trump.
Where was Trump when I needed him, huh? Oh, right. And that's Paul Vaughn. Vaughn. Hey, Paul. Hey, Pastor Ernie. How are you this evening? I'm okay. How are you tonight?
Very, very good. We're ready to go. I'm going to start off with some scripture here. I'm changing things up. Actually, my message this week was on, well, we know each other in heaven and our, well, we have our pets in heaven. But we're going to switch that up tonight because you're a special guest and it's the pro-life and we're promoting what's happening here coming this Friday and Saturday, bringing America back to life.
And that's going to be at 5800 Rockside Road at Embassy Suites here at Independence, Ohio. By the way, folks, for the first 10 people that spot me walking around and say, keep fighting the fight. I've got one of these special right to life, or let's write what's left pins. And it's got the really bright light on the pin and it's got a style on the other end and it's filled with ink. They're pretty good pins, aren't they, Stile? Yes, sir.
They work. So I'll have them in my pocket. So the first 10 people to come up and say, keep fighting the fight.
I'll give you one. There you go. And so with that, we're going to go to start tonight in Leviticus chapter 20. And we're going to be talking about the penalty for killing your children and worshiping Moloch. And the Lord is speaking to Moses saying, again, thou shall say to the children of Israel, whosoever he be of the children of Israel or of the strangers that sojourned in Israel, that giveth any of his seed into Moloch, he shall surely be put to death and the people of the land shall stone him with stones. And I will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people because he has given of his seed unto Moloch to defile my sanctuary and to profane my holy name. And if the people of the land do in any way hide their eyes from the man whom he giveth of his seed into Moloch and will kill him not, then I will set my face against that man and against his family and against his family and will cut him off and all that go a whoring after him to commit whoredom with Moloch from among the people. Now, here, Paul, they were sacrificing to Moloch. Today, they're sacrificing to, what would you say, to Planned Parenthood? Well, I think it's the very same demons.
The spirit of Moloch is, what is the spirit of Moloch? Power and greed. And, you know, what do we serve in this nation? But everything goes through the lens of money.
Absolutely. What is, what's the number one reason you're here? You're on the sidewalks of Planned Parenthood. I can't afford this baby. This baby is going to interfere with my career.
I'm not going to be able to finish my degree. I mean, these are excuses people tell themselves to excuse that evil behavior. I've had them tell me they didn't want stretch marks and whatever. You have them, you know, but here's, yeah, but here's the interesting thing. There was a great conversation recently about whether their stretch marks will be a badge of honor in heaven or not.
And the recent conversation that ties into the, well, we know each other in heaven. Well, you know, it's wickedness. I mean, it's pure evil. And, but for example, here in Ohio, you just had a wicked, a very, very wicked female judge who just, we have a law here in Ohio. The law states that children that are murdered in these bloody abortion mills, that they're, they have to either be cremated or buried. They're bought little bodies. But this wicked, ungodly, unclean woman judge here in Ohio, she says, no, that puts too much of a financial burden on the bloody abortion mills.
You could just throw them in landfill. That's, that's how wicked that woman is. And I, and she better hope she never runs into me because she will get heaven sweet and hell hot. She will get God's word. I mean, and, and so, oh boy, will she get the word of God too.
It'll probably set her hair on fire. Okay. But I was watching tonight, President Trump. Uh, he was spanking, boy, he's, he's, I think he's still doing it.
I don't know. He's really spanking the Democrats out there today. I didn't hear him get to the, to the pro life part of it yet. I don't know if he ever got that far, but, uh, here now and what we just read, he made the point, the point was not only to the, to the man who, who kills his children, should he be put to death, but the people that know that he's killing the children and do nothing to stop him, they too should be put to death. Uh, that God wasn't stuttering there, was he?
No, not at all. And Ernie, I think that's, that's one of the things we have to remember is we are responsible. Of course, we're all responsible for our own sins and culpable for what we do, but sin is not just an individual thing.
There are cultural sins and cultural thoughts that we all participate in. And that's why it's important, uh, that we are, we're telling our neighbors the truth. And, you know, proverbs 11 drives us home as well. You know, if you see someone being led to slaughter, do not stand back, but, you know, do not, do not hesitate, but hold them back from slaughter. And it even goes on to say that does not the Lord, who knows your thoughts, know, you know, your ways. Yeah. That's proverbs 24.
If you're just throwing up excuses or, uh, or if you're actually, you know, trying to, trying to find an excuse for not doing something and not helping your neighbor or they say, well, I didn't know. Right. Well, and, and you know, that's, yeah. And so, so you don't get over on God, do you?
I'm pretty sure he's, uh, he knows a little bit more than we do. And so, you know, he's the one that gave us the divine institution of human government. You know, I taught biblical law for years. And do you know what the five points are that God gave us for divine human government?
What's that? Well, you, you find that in the Noahic covenant, there are five points. The very first point was to whom it was given. You find that in Genesis nine versus 10, um, 11 and 12 and verse 15 and 16 to all mankind for perpetual generations for all living creatures. That was, he made that covenant. And that, that covenant spans all dispensation periods.
But then the second point was the intent, the intent. Now we're talking about real government, divine government. We're talking about legitimate government. I mean, not like what we have here. We're talking about the real thing.
Okay. And the intent was man was to govern for God. Man was to govern for God.
And then the third point, now this is the entire purpose. This is the entire purpose of divine human government that God gave us. And you find that in Genesis nine versus five through seven. And that is to preserve the image of God, that being man. In other words, he tells you that God has given man dominion over the environment, but he kept dominion of man for himself. And whoever destroys the image of God has to forfeit his life. That's where we got the statute of capital punishment, the death penalty.
Okay. And then, then the fourth point was the means by which man was to govern for God. God's laws, God's statutes, God's covenants, etc. And then the fifth point was all peoples and nations that would be in line with the first four points would be at peace and not at war with God.
And we don't find too many nations today that are at peace and not at war with God. But anyhow. But very few people know that and they don't think they don't understand.
So, so here's what it says. And today it's like, what, um, what God is telling you there is this, if you kill your child, when you, when you abort that baby, you deserve to die. And if you're unrepentant, you deserve to burn in hell. That's what God is telling them. But today it's like, well, you know, today we, we can take the parts of the Bible that we agree with and, and, um, we can abide by that. We don't have to abide by all of the Bible.
Nobody does that nowadays, right? Uh, absolutely. I mean, I think that's one of the challenges we see, right, is when every man's left to interpret the scriptures for himself, I can't say the number of times, well, I know God didn't like this, but he'll forgive me, is what we hear on the way into the abortion clinic. And that's just, this horrible theology. Can you imagine Ignatius or Polycarp or, uh, these, these men and women of the, of the first century of the church or the third or the fifth century with that kind of view of God, if you go back and read any of the church fathers, any of the early writings, uh, any of the Christian apologists, it's just the depth and the understanding of our creator is just completely absent from our culture and our, our time in history, particularly in our, in our nation, in America, uh, which is why the conference is so great.
And, you know, bringing America back to life is, it's got to start with, uh, an understanding of who our creator is and that we are made in his image. So, you know, Paul, no place, no place, no place has our Lord been more dishonored and more disobeyed than from the pulpits of so-called churches in this country. And, you know, the Bible says that judgment begins in the house of God in that house that begins in the pulpit. And we've, I've never would have even imagined I've been in the pulpit for many, many years now. I never would have imagined that someday we would be at the place where there would be such a great dearth of courage in the pulpits.
It's just, it just breaks my heart to see such a lack of courage. But, uh, absolutely. I think that's, you know, that's part of it. We get, well, first we, you know, who do we order our life by?
I mentioned a minute ago, right? When you were talking about Moloch and what is it for a Christian? We're supposed to order our life after the Holy Spirit of God, right? That is our spiritual guide. That's the spirit that lives within us. The, the remnant of the law that God put in our heart that comes alive. That is our conscience. That is how we know right and wrong when we're, when we're walking up on this earth where God put us.
And we just, we completely, um, instead of organizing our lives after the Holy Spirit, we, we run after Moloch or Bell or Mammon and, uh, and say, give us prosperity, give us peace, give us wealth, give us power. And, um, you know, and, and that's the same in the church as it is out of the church. And like you said, as the pulpit goes, so goes the church. Well, we've, we've seen things happening that we've never, well, never would have thought you would happen.
I've seen, seen what's happened, you know, just recently with the pulp. We just, uh, uh, unbelievable, you know, here, this, you know, the things that he has come out and said, uh, again, this is, we're watching, we're living in the great apostasy. But just as scripture says, when the righteous will become more righteous, the wicked will become more wicked.
And we're seeing that, that great, great divide becoming greater and greater between the righteous and the unrighteous, between those on the right and those on the left. And, you know, again, that's another thing with, he tells you in Matthew chapter 25, I, I was, I had the opportunity, uh, to address Congress there some years ago, uh, and then I had the opportunity to open a prayer and I had the opportunity here in the State House a couple of times here in Ohio, uh, once in the Senate, once in the House. Uh, but when I did, when they asked me to open in prayer, I quoted to them from Matthew chapter 25 about those on the right and those on the left.
And it's like, you know, it's an amazing thing. Do you remember when, when Obama was running the first time, they had, uh, the commercials they ran for the, the coalition of the religious right or the religious left, okay. They had those people come out, mostly women dressed in clerical garb, and they said, we are the religious left, okay. And I told them, and I told people, I said, you know, here you really need to know who these people are because they were making a mockery, uh, off the biblical literacy, you know, of people in this country. So I, I read to them from out of Matthew 25, here, here's who these people are, the religious left, and the Bible says they'll be bound and cast into the lake of fire. And Ecclesiastics chapter 10, verse 2, it says, those on the right will inherit, you know, a wise man will go and towards the right. Those on the left, uh, a fool, a fool turns to the left. And then here, when the Lord Jesus hung, was hung between two thieves on the cross, the one on the right, Jesus said, you will be with me this day in paradise, the one on the left.
Didn't fare so well. And so, I mean, there's no stuttering. It's as clear as can be. Why is it that those people on the left, the apostate church, they know what God has written, what it says, and yet they choose to defy God and serve Mammon and serve Moloch. Uh, I remember being at, uh, I went, I led up an operation rescue some years ago at one of the abortion mills here in Ohio, and they had a United Methodist apostate minister. His job was to convince the girls that, uh, like, just recently, uh, Al Sharpton had come out, I don't know if you heard him recently, saying that, uh, the Bible does not condemn abortion, okay?
Uh, and, in fact, uh, it condones that Al's about as apostate as apostate gets, that in fact it condones. And, and here, you had this guy, his job was to, well, to convince the girls that they were doing nothing wrong by killing their babies. And I got, you know, my face was four inches from his, and I preached him on a burning lake of fire. I mean, boy. And this guy was sweating, and you ought to see him, and then he finally, he screams out, I don't know what, what I'm gonna do, I don't know what to do anymore.
And he ran, he ran, he said, I'm finished, and he ran away. But he knew. I mean, uh, this man, yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? Well, it definitely is. I mean, we know the law of God's written on our heart. We're created in His image.
And, I mean, that's the, that's the number one thing I see. I mean, there, we're all in different states of rebellion, even Christians trying to do right and, and embracing and loving the Word of God. But we're all in this, on this growth, and trying to be more like Him, right?
We're, our happiness and our contentment as being created in His image is summed up in being like our Creator, like our Lord. And, and everyone in that rebellion knows it. And they know they're miserable, they know that they're living a lie, that there's not, there's something missing that they need in their life. But not all of them know the answer. Or if they know, and this is the key that usually is the, the dividing line, they're not willing to bend their knee.
They still want themself up. They still decide, you know, my body, my right, my choice. I will decide what is right and wrong.
I will decide what is good and evil, just like the original lie in the garden. And so that's the, that's the key. And that's where the spiritual warfare comes. That's where we pray for those. And, and minister to them in Psalms and in prayer. And, and, you know, try to reach out to them that the Word of God can reach that heart and make that change for them and help them, you know, to embrace their Creator. Well, and you got to do that. And the way you do that, you, you preach the Word of God, you tell the truth, okay?
You preach heaven sweet, hell hot. I, I spent 45 years on those streets out there in front of those bloody abortion mills. And I've seen, I've seen some amazing things out there.
I mean, just some amazing things. And I've been shot at several times. They, they try to, one guy tried to stab me in the eye. They tried to run me over several times. Uh, but you know, by God's grace, you know, uh, you know, I, I never got hurt close to it, but I never got hurt. And then like you, I did my, my, my jail ministry too, from both sides of the bars there.
Okay. Uh, but, uh, but you know, in all those years, cause I went to court time after time after time and, uh, but we beat them, we beat them every time. And, and so now what's happened to your situation? You got arrested, you went to prison. Tell us about it.
Sure. Well, yeah, I mean, I, I, I avoided federal prison, you know, we, uh, Oh, already back in March of 21, we were at a regional event here in Mount Juliet, Tennessee. And we had some of the old, uh, old rescue folks and friends of ours from way back with wanted to come to town. And we had a sidewalk counseling team. We're out regularly at the two clinics of Planned Parenthood and Nashville and the careful clinic over Mount Juliet, Tennessee.
And, uh, so this was at Mount Juliet, Tennessee. And a couple, I think 12 folks, uh, sat down at the doors that day in this multi-use building in the hallway of this building to, uh, stop people from going in and out of the abortion mill. And I had sidewalk counseling teams in the hallway. Uh, we had people out on the street. I just, I just found out this Sunday, visiting a church, a guy that was actually out on the street. And, uh, I just came in contact with his, his wife, their Anglicans for, uh, uh, life, uh, group. And they, um, I didn't even know he was on the street. So here, all this is going on.
And years later, I find out this, this man that was out there, uh, you know, that we hadn't even connected with. And so it's amazing what we had going on, but several hundred folks, you know, all assets of the pro-life ministry, right? People holding signs, people praying, people, sidewalk counseling outside, uh, people, sidewalk counseling in the hallways of the public building. And then when the police show up to deal with the rescuers, those that are sitting down and I don't know your audience, would it be helpful to go into interposition for a second and just talk about that? Sure. Go ahead. Well, you know what, hold up for one minute, because we're right up against the break.
We'll be back right after this. Listen to that heart beat. Baby, darling, you were made a secret woven in the wool. Though your savior loves you, the world wants to kill you too. Tell me why, why, why should this baby die, precious baby.
Tell me why, why, why should this baby die, little darling. I have my own life to live. Besides, it's my right. I don't have time for that kid.
And I don't want those church marks. It's my life. It's my body. It's my choice. Listen to that heart beat.
It's coming from within. My baby is alive and well. Cause I've been born again. Now I, now I, now I can let my baby die. Precious baby. Now I, now I, now I can let my baby die. Baby, darling, you were made a secret woven in the wool.
Jesus came to give us life. You will be born soon. Tell me why, why, why should this baby die, precious baby. Tell me why, why, why should this baby die, little darling.
All righty. We're back with Paul Vaughn. Paul is president of Personhood Tennessee and a pro-life activist. You know, that song you just heard, Paul, it's got a history to it. That song, there were six people, I wrote the song. They changed the music up on me, but there were six people in that song. And the lady's voice that you heard in there, Estie, she, she had no immune system.
She could not leave her apartment. She, so she couldn't go to the studio, so we had to make the studio in her apartment. And as we did that, because we had one, well we had two mics, she had a mic set up where she was at. And then we had a mic set up in the middle of the floor, and we actually did this, this was an amazing thing, the way it worked. But we actually walked in a circle, and when we got in front of the mic, that person would sing, we would do that part of the song.
And I never, it was amazing that it worked out as well as it did. Yeah, that was the heartbeat. We made that because I was working with Jan Porter and others on the heartbeat bill here in Ohio.
We came up with a heartbeat bill here in Ohio, and so that's what we were working on. I wrote that song at that time, but that was an amazing, amazing thing that, the way that that was recorded. All right, I'll go back and let you go ahead and pick it up where you left off. Yeah, you bet. So we're talking about an event in March of 21, a life event where we had Sidewalk Counselors, and federal warriors, and rescuers, and all of the damage of folk health.
Kind of a regional event, a lot of local folks, but a handful of folks from out of town as well. And I was going to just get your audience probably aware of it, but you know, it's always good to distinguish between civil disobedience and sit-ins versus the act of rescuing the unborn, and actually doing what looks to be a sit-in. Your actions are similar, you're sitting down at a door. But the spiritual attitude and the purpose of that is not really to make a political statement as much as it is to practice Christian interposition. I just write Christ interposed on the cross for us, between us and the one who would destroy us. So that's what Christians do when they sit down at a door in an abortion clinic. They interpose with that young unborn baby and the abortionist that's seeking to kill it.
And so that's the spirit and the heart about it, and that keeps it in a very good framework, in a Christ-centered framework, if you will. So there were those, there were a handful of folks doing that. There were 12 people ultimately arrested or cited that day for trespassing, refusing to leave when the police officer told them they were trespassing and needed to leave. My main participation that day was just being in the hallway, praying and singing hymns, and then when the police came, I went to talk with them and had, you know, I saw one officer with a little bit of a Barney Fife attitude, luckily looked like he wanted to hurt somebody that day, and so I called him out to his boss and, you know, had conversations about the right response and the way to handle this peacefully. And then, you know, the police chief came who was a Christian pastor, a Presbyterian pastor at a local church there in Mount Juliet.
The lead negotiator came. He was an associate pastor at a church. So we just had church in the hallway.
We talked about Romans 13, the civil magistrate's duty before God, the state of our nation, what our nation was going through, and what a Christian response should be, and, you know, just had a good time talking in the hallway. They ultimately arrested folks, and they were at the doors, and everybody else left and went outside, and they were on the media. The media spokesperson for the police were on the media bragging about how peaceful and polite this group was and what a delight it was to work with them.
You remember this is BLM and Antifa times, right, back in 21. And so that was it. You know, we had high hopes that there were babies saved. We had some turnarounds, and we were staying with folks and interacting with folks, and, you know, we went on about our business, and next week we went back to being out at the Planned Parenthood twice a week when they were killing and just continued with their life.
Well, I asked for it all the way to October of 22, 18 months later. I get the FBI heavy-handed, full-armed raid at my house. They've been banging on my house, 7 o'clock in the morning, full tactical gear, four guys, two cars, unmarked, and, you know, yelling, open up FBI, and, you know, coming in heavy. I did not, I said coming in, they came into the door. We did not let them in the house, and I surrendered myself and walked out to keep them out of the house where seven of my 11 children were, and my wife, of course.
And so that was the deal. You know, I asked who they were looking for. They wouldn't even tell me. They said, we're looking for you.
You know, like, that helped alleviate my questions there. And, you know, put me in cuffs, put me in the car. I found out later, three of my children who I'd sent out to go to the car so I could take them to school were, you know, never made it to the car. They were detained by another armed agent in the side of the yard by the edge of the woods there. And my wife came out with her camera, with her phone, and got some video footage that, you know, made us rounds on the internet and everything, showing who these guys were, and, you know, they took me to jail. I got shackled and perp walked and processed into the federal holding facility, the marshal's facility underneath the federal jail there in Nashville. And then they dumped me out on the streets of Nashville with no wallet, no phone, no ID, you know, an hour and a half drive from home, 65 miles from the house.
And, you know, said, you come back tomorrow and see parole and start your parole while we're in pretrial services waiting on our trial. So that was the beginning of it. Well, again, here, they were weaponized against us. You know, I had a lot of friends in the FBI, and they were really ashamed of what Chris Ray, and what they did, Mary Garland and Chris Ray and James Comey, these people, and especially Joe Biden, you know, this, we're not talking about revenge, we're talking about justice. They need to be brought to, in that whole J-6 Committee, they need to be brought to justice, all of them. And I'm hoping that Trump will do that.
Now, tonight we watched him spank the Democrats pretty good. But we have to insist that those people are brought to justice for what they did. Well, we're working on it for our part. We're looking at some counter suits and things, and Ernie, I'll just say, here, this would be for folks interested, the FACE Act, and we can talk about what that is and everything, but that's the federal law that was used against us, and I didn't break FACE that day, didn't do any, you know, didn't do any of the rescue, didn't block or intimidate, but they used a conspiracy act to tie it in, and, you know, an unjust, illegal use of law, and we talk about that concept if you want, but the, not tomorrow, but Thursday, I'll be back in D.C., and I'll be on a panel, the Heritage Foundation is hosting a panel to discuss overturning of the FACE Act, and Congressman Chip Roy is going to be there, one of the Thomas Moore Society lawyers, Andy Bath will be there, one of the Heritage Foundation lawyers, and it's going to be a good time, and I was looking at the lineup today, and we're going to have a good conversation, and hopefully we'll get some traction to get FACE overturned. We've had several of our people where they've faced them, thanks to Janet Reno, and what happened in the one case, we went to trial, I don't know how many times, but it was a strange thing, this federal judge, he just stared at me, you know, it was like, out of curiosity, he just had this, and what happened with him, with Alan Smith, he didn't rule, he never handed down his ruling, I think it was after ten years, I believe it was ten years, is gone, okay, he's got so many years to rule, and the case is just dismissed, but it was kind of a very strange thing, but with me, they tried to reco me three times, in a racketeering, okay, and the reason, it was thrown out of court all three times, you know, in the racketeering, you have to profit, in other words, I have to profit somewhat, by taking away, you know, and I did take away, by saving babies, and we saved a lot of babies out there from the bloody abortion mills, but I didn't make any profit out of it, it cost me money to do it, going to court all the time and everything, and so they had to throw those cases out, but this is, yeah, we got to turn that back, we got to get rid of that face, it never should have been, and there in Washington D.C. especially, you talk about corrupt, I don't know if there's, maybe, you know, the Supreme Court, but might be the only court in that whole Washington D.C. that's not corrupted, what do you think? Yeah, there are some wicked things coming out of that with January 6th here, and of course the D.C. rescue with Lauren Handy and the group there was just a sham of a trial, and then, you know, the D.C. gulag as well, it's just the whole thing needs to go, and I was against D.C., you know, becoming its own state, they keep talking about that, but I'm thinking about it, well then they don't have their own special court system, do they?
They can be part of the, back to a regional district court that's more than just D.C., so maybe there's the hope of getting somebody other than a, you know, one of these leftists that live and make a living off the government there in D.C. proper. Again, we're living in, here, planned predators, you know, planned predator, the most wicked, evil, ungodly, creeping, calling, purveyor, they've killed more human beings than any army in the world, okay? And, again, those people, I mean, you know, again, if I were king for today, they would be prosecuted for the evil and the wickedness that they do, especially the ones, you know, today, you know, the ones that experiment on these babies, they buy the babies, the babies are still alive, they pay these women to carry a baby to term, and then give it, you know, a nine-month baby, and then they use it, keep it alive, experiment. The wicked and the evil is just unbelievable. It is, yep. I've been in the pro-life movement from the very start, and over the years, we had the situation, I don't know if you ever heard about the nightmare in Pittsburgh.
Oh, yeah, yep. Well, I had those number of the women on my program that were actually molested, and one friend of mine, Paul, his wife was literally thrown in the back of a police van and molested by several cops. They were told by the woman who was in charge of the police policy there, who was actually on the board of NARAL, they were instructed to make sure that these pro-life women never want to come back here again, you know, make sure, and they really abused them, and those people should have always been brought to justice, and just unbelievable things that they did.
That's sad for them. I mean, they will face justice, and it will not be near as well for them in the life after, as it should have been here. Absolutely, but the thing of it is, again, Paul, I want to go back to where it begins. It starts there in the pulpit. Again, the pastors had the courage to stand against this, and you mentioned Romans 13. That's the most twisted, spun, and perverted passage of all of Scripture. Romans 13 means exactly what Romans 13 means. I've been teaching biblical law for years, and they take that out.
That's why they need so many perversions of the Bible, so that they can get it to say what they want it to say, instead of what it really does say. Right. And so... That's for sure. Yeah, over the years... You know... Go ahead.
I was just going to say, the passage comes to mind, as Isaiah is, when truth is fallen in the streets, justice stands far off, whether it's justice for the babies, or justice for the lifers, or just justice in general. We've become a culture that can't even define what a woman is, or at least it looks like we're starting to be able to understand that and comprehend that again, this year anyway. But we've, you know, we've just...
If you took... If you just took a six-year-old from the 1950s and plopped them down in front of Fox News or CNN, God forbid, for, you know, one afternoon, they would think you were insane. The things that we talk about as a culture, the things that we try to pass as normal, is just absolutely off our rocker. And it comes, like you said, from the pulpit, it comes from a sinful heart of the people, and it comes from not enforcing the law, and no truth and no justice. I think that's a truth for our times.
We need courage to be able to stand, to be able to speak those truths, to be able to interface with that narrative going on. Well, you know, the very first command that God gave mankind was to be fruitful and multiply. And by the time you hit Genesis 9, it was said for the third time. In other words, what God has said, to be fruitful, to multiply and fill the earth, would corrupt, corrupt government. Now, that so-called Supreme Court of 1973, the only thing that they were supreme in was the rebellion against God, okay? Basically, what they ruled, they ruled that what God has called, what God has made unlawful, we will make legal, we will make legal what God has declared unlawful.
And if you purchase a license, you can destroy the image of God, if you purchase with mammon, okay? And so that court, whenever I hear the name of street or city after one of those, I can tell you this, at least seven of those nine justices of my guess are in hell today, where they've been. But you know, again, like you're talking about how the stupidity of today was woke, and that all of this, you know, you have 25 different genders out there.
I guess it's actually like 70-some genders they had. But back in then, I remember very clearly, because we were in the midst of the battle, okay, how Blackcomb ruled that there were emanations of a penumbra that gave a woman a constitutional right to kill her baby. And emanations in the Constitution? So I looked all through the Constitution, and I couldn't find any emanations.
You didn't find anything emanating? Or the penumbra. But emanations, you know, those were like little impulses of light. That's what they are, okay? The penumbra, what it's referred to, is like this shadowy, and a shadow. So somewhere in this shadow, you have these little impulses of light that are saying, �You can kill your baby.� That sounds like something that Adam Shifter, one of these, would come up with, you know, today.
It does. Probably Schumer. Yeah, it would be a good one. Did you get to watch any of Trump's speech tonight?
Just barely a clip or two, as we were getting things wound down to join you here. When they kept going to Nancy Pelosi, she was not having a good night. But Trump was really spanking them. I mean, he was really spanking them out there tonight.
We'll be talking about that tomorrow. But you're right, it's lunacy. God has given them over. He tells you in Isaiah 66 that he will give them over, okay? He will choose their delusion. He will choose their delusion, okay? Psalms 2 is, �Why do the heathen rage? Why do they imagine a vain thing?� And God will have them in derision. I mean, they're in derision, aren't they? Absolutely, yep. There's no other way to explain it.
Right. Well, you know, God tells them in Proverbs 2, �If you'll repent of that� �If you'll repent and you come back right now, you know, you're in delusion, and if you don't repent, then you will call upon me early, but I won't hear you, okay? And I'll laugh at you, you know, when calamity comes upon you.� And that's kind of what's happening to those today, the Democrats, the Communist Party, okay?
This is what liberalism is, if we call it liberalism, or they call themselves progressives, or whatever. And here, like, you've got these, I had to laugh, right? I looked at them. Did you see the women that were all wearing pink? I didn't.
I heard, I saw a clip or something on it, but I didn't see the picture. These were the womenists, the feminists, okay? Did you realize that every single one of the Democrats, now, these feminists are supposed to be for women's rights, right? Every single one of them voted to allow men to compete in women's sports, and according to the women's bathrooms, okay?
Now, again, these people are delusionary, all right? They don't have children. If they had children, they would never want something like that. I mean, that's the very first thing, is you decide that you're going to be childless, well, that separates you from, you know, the normality of culture. And I think that's one of the things, I saw recently, you may know where the numbers are, what this was, but somebody was talking about the world leaders, actually it was a heat map of Europe, and the population, the number of children the world leaders had in those different areas, and they're all childless. There's hardly one of them that has a child.
Are these the people you want making laws that, you know, the country where your children are going to grow up and be educated and play, and become, you know, what God created them to be? It's just, it's the height of insanity, and it truly is the inmates running the asylum. And you've never met more miserable people than those people. I mean, they're just as miserable as can be.
I mean, it's the same for every person listening. I mean, if you're out there and you're in rebellion to God, and you're not following the law, you're not submitting to the one that created you, and you're trying to pretend like you created yourself, or you evolved from some pond scum somewhere, then there is no contentment, because that image of God is in you, and that is the thing that brings fulfillment, that brings you into being what you were created to be, and you're not going to be content. And so you can be that, but you can't be that on your own. You have to humble yourself, and you have to be willing to bow your knee to the one that created you, and then you find that fulfillment, then you find that calling, then you find true, you know, giftings and talents, and your life just comes alive, and you can move in a direction to do something meaningful. And the joy of the Lord will be your strength.
Amen. What time, we're running up against the clock here, what time are you going to be speaking, do you know, on Friday? I am, first up on Saturday morning, is that a, maybe an 8.30 or 9 o'clock? Okay, will you be there on Friday at all? We are, so I'm flying out to D.C. on Thursday for that event with Heritage, I'll come back that night, and then I'm driving up with the family early Friday, hope to be there around noon, and we're trying to get our kids in one of the events up there for the youth, so the leadership training. Just ask for me, everybody there knows me, and we'll just hook up for a few minutes, and maybe have a cup of coffee or something together, that would be great. I would love to do that.
Yeah, that would be good. Would you mind if I ask, how old are you, you have 11 children, how old are you? I'm 57. 57, okay, so you're no kid, okay. And how long have you been on the program?
Go ahead, I'm sorry. Yeah, now we were just looking tonight, Ernie, we were going through some old files from 94 when the FACE Act was signed, and an old Little Rock rescue that we did right after in July, right after FACE was signed. And so my wife and I met, we met during sidewalk counseling, we were married in 94, so we've pretty much been doing real life ministry in some form or fashion our whole life.
We took a good chunk out raising some children here on the farm, and weren't in active ministry as far as running an organization or something, but we picked back up with Personhood Alliance here, gosh, about five years ago now. Well, it's been a while. We're going to go to a break, and then we have a whole other hour. You're welcome to stay if you want that other hour.
It's up to you. We can open the phone lines and take some calls. I've got a bunch of articles I've got to cover, so if you'd like to stay. I'd be happy to take a few calls if you want, maybe 15 minutes. I do have an event in the morning I've got to be at.
I kind of figured that. All right, let's do this. We're going to go to a break here in a minute when we come back from the break. We'll give you a couple of calls. We'll open the phone lines at 888-677-9673, 888-677-9673, and we have Paul Vaughn, and he will be taking your calls for, what do you say, 10 minutes or 15 minutes?
It'll be great. All right, because I know you want to get up early in the morning. Are you in Tennessee right now? You're on, what, central time? We're in central, yep. Okay, so it's only 10 o'clock where you're at. Yep, 40 days' flight kicking off tomorrow. We've got to get out. We're an hour and a half from downtown, so we've got to get down there for that. All right. Well, when we have a chance to talk on Friday, I'll tell you about some of the rescues we had, some very interesting rescues that took place over the years. I had a number of confrontations with the Satanic groups in that, but I can say this.
I never had in 50 years, in fact 51 years now, never had one boring day, not one boring day out there. That's for sure. And there's not many of us, the originals, that are left.
I think there's only an original board of Ohio Right to Left that I remember. There's only two of us left, and out of all the people on that board, they're all gone. But we're still here. We're still fighting the fight. And you know what?
That's the number one issue next to the Great Commission, God's number one issue, is saving the babies. We'll be back right after this with more. Don't go away.
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