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I can tune into your show and hear the unvarnished truth. Thank you. This is What's Right, What's Left with Pastor Ernie Sanders. Good evening and welcome to another edition of What's Right, What's Left on this 23rd day of March 2023. That's right. And tonight we have the fellow who's right there on the board.

None other than Kyle with a smile. Hey, Pastor. There you go. He's in control. He's the producer. He gets it done. All right. And then we have way out yonder that back roads preacher, the parson Joe Larson.

Parson Joe Larson. I'm here. You just all of a sudden faded out. But I can hear you now. All righty. Well then say something. Well, I'm glad to be with you tonight. Somebody's got to keep you out of trouble. All right.

You should be. Well, somebody like a rose between the thorns, between the three of us guys. None other. She's the lady of the herbs. She's the all natural.

Well, she's as close to mother nature as you'll get. Wendy Wilson. Hello, Pastor. Good evening. Good evening. It's good to have you with us tonight. And hi, Pastor Joe. Hello, Wendy. Glad to have you aboard.

Oh, thank you. Well, we got a whole lot to cover, so we need to get right into it. Let's see if Joe remembers the title of the message.

Hey, Joe. Protection, fellowship, and unity for those who Christ died for. All righty. Aha. For those who Christ, well, didn't Christ die for, didn't he die for the whole world?

Nope, he didn't. Oh. He only died for those who would accept him and he knew because he predestined us and he justified us and then he will sanctify us with a new body. We went through a whole litany of the requirements of those that he died for, huh? In other words. Exactly. Long and short of it all was he died for those that his blood was applied to, huh? Yes. Then a simple answer, those who received the blood of Christ.

All righty. Were covered by the blood. But most people don't know that because you got a lot of sound bites out there. You'll hear people say, well, well, Christ died for everybody. That is not what the Bible teaches.

It's very specific on who he died for. But let's pick it up where we left off in Ephesians chapter 1. Joe, could you read verses 1 and 2 and stop? All right. Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus.

Grace be to you and peace from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Now Paul was the one who was right in this. He's a pretty smart fellow, wasn't he?

Yeah, he's pretty sharp. So now he was talking about the saints there at the church, to the church there in Ephesus. Do you know who the pastor of that church was in Ephesus?

Oh, it should, but it's not coming to me. Well, I'll bet you Wendy does. If I was to ask Wendy, she'd say Timothy. Hey, Wendy, who was the pastor of the church there?

Timothy. I told you, I knew she'd know it. That was the very good Wendy. It was smooth.

Yeah, I know, she's good, she's good. Anyhow, and then when Timothy had laid her on after that, John, the apostle John took over for Timothy in that church. But anyhow, now let me ask you this, Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, which are at Ephesus, were those saints alive?

Yes. Okay, so I mean, it wouldn't do any good to write letters to dead people, would it? No, that wouldn't be very logical. He wouldn't have to, because if they were saints, they could be in the presence of God himself, and really wouldn't need to have a letter written. But who was it that canonized him? Canonized, okay. So I mean, don't we hear today, in order to be sainthood, you have to be canonized.

It's a ritual. The Roman Catholic Church has that game, they claim, they claim that power, but there's no canonization. God has those that are saints that are born again, and believers become the saints, or the pastors are saints, there's four categories of saints, right? All right, yeah, you're absolutely right, you're right. It starts with the angels, so the first category, they were first referred to as saints, and then the Old Testament saints, and then the New Testament saints, and the tribulation saints, so four categories of saints described as coming back with a horde, and we're going to be into that as the New Testament saints, and so here... You mean we're not old enough to be Old Testament saints? All you old people think alike, do you know that?

Did you ever notice that, when they called older than Earth, so I just thought I'd ask, you know. Yep, okay, so you become a saint the minute you're born again, huh? Born again, huh?

Yes. Yeah, that's what it teaches here, in fact, because he refers to all the churches, when he refers to the saints, that he's writing to people that are alive, so they didn't have to go through any ritual, and this is what the Bible teaches. See, there's a lot of difference between the sound bites and what different denominations teach, and what the Word of God teaches, and so... It's called the difference between dogma, which is man created, and doctrine, which is Christ, the Word of Christ. So we want to stay right with doctrine, right? Doctrine. We have no part in dogma. All right, so...

It's above our pay grade by a long, long, long, long way. Let's go to, read me verses three through six. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love, having predestinated predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, for in he hath made us accepted in the Beloved.

Okay, so here you go. This is an interesting thing, because when it says blessed be God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ, what do you think that means, heavenly places? Well, we've been blessed from heaven above, and heaven is now our home as born again believers, we just haven't gotten there yet. So, we've been blessed. Now, you can see, this is talking about something very specific, what he's referring to as our salvation, our blessing. Yes, our salvation is a blessing, eternal life, joined here with Jesus in everlasting life. The very first blessing you can receive is that of salvation, and then after that the others come. Now, it says, according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him.

Now, here, very clear, something's going on. How could he do that before the foundations? I mean, we weren't here before the foundations of the world, were we? No, but he was, and not only was he before the foundations of the world, he is, well, all exist and he's everlasting. He's after the world was created, he's still existing forever, even after what we would call the end of the world, he's still there. So, he saw the creation before it was created, because he exists in all times and all places. So, he saw creation before it happened.

Well, then wait a minute, let me see here. How could this be because he has chosen us in him before the foundations of the world? So, if we, if God chose us, if we existed in the mind of God, then that means we were pre-existing too, because there was no world here, okay, at this time.

Nothing. We existed in the mind of God. That's a form of existence. We weren't physical, but he saw us and he knew everything about us, our spirit, our soul. So, uh, and then... Well, now, was he speaking... Those that would accept him, so he chose us. Was he speaking about the earth or was he speaking about the world?

Because there's a difference between the earth and the world, either those... World, the entire world. Okay, so, before the earth existed, before the world existed... What we call creation happened. All right, so we existed in the mind of God, so then everything that exists, uh, before it became material existed in the mind of God. So, was that just as real as the things you could touch, see, and feel? Yes.

Okay. If it exists in the mind of God, it will be exactly as he has it in vision, desires it, or calls it into being. That's called, that's why God is perfect. All right, so now here, this, this is something here, because it says here, this, according as he has chosen us before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. Who should be holy and without blame before him? Because we have been forgiven our sins. We were washed by the blood of the lamb. We were covered by his blood, and we were made pure and holy through him. Not through anything we did, but through his forgiveness.

All righty. Wendy, is he... When I was young, I couldn't understand the concept, and somebody gave me an idea one time, it was like, God has this giant eraser, and God can't forget that what happens when he forgives our sins, it's like he takes a giant eraser, and they no longer exist. If they don't exist in the mind of God, they don't exist. We continue to sin, that's why we have to always go back to Jesus, and when we realize we're sinning, go back and ask for forgiveness. It's a continual process in a believer. Hmm, very good. Now, having predestinated us, that word predestinate, you know what the word means in the Greek there? Uh, to choose before. It's to mark off or choose before. Right, well, it's determined, actually the word determined is used there, translated into English, determined before, but it's the same as choose before.

Choose before, determine before, okay. Okay, so, in the adoption of children of Jesus Christ now, then he says, um, to the praise of the glory and the grace wherein he hath made us acceptable in him, in the beloved. This is, uh, this is something where he refers to the praise and the glory, the accepted.

That word accepted is translated highly, highly favored, or graciously honored. But here's the thing, in the beloved, accepted in the beloved, where it says accepted in the beloved, what that word, that in the beloved is used seven times in scripture, uh, and it's, it's a word, uh, that is, is spoken about Christ directly from the Father himself, speaks that word about Christ directly. And so you'll, you'll find that seven times, um, so pastors, that like a nickname for Jesus? Uh, well, no, I wouldn't call it a nickname. I don't think Jesus had nicknames.

He had a lot of, we would, we would call it titles. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. You are my beloved. Yep.

And so that was an interesting thing there. And so he goes on to say, in whom we have redemption through the, through his blood. Here we go again. Who did Christ die for?

Who his blood was applied to? This is what, right. Yeah. So we, we, we need to, because again, there's, people don't get this right. They don't, they don't dig deep enough into it to understand these things here. Are very important to understand because you hear all of these sound bites that, that are really not in there in scripture, uh, like one, God loves everybody. God loves every, does the Bible teach that God loves everybody? I'm afraid it doesn't know things that God hated people. He said he hated and he ate sin. And by the way, we were all sinners, so we were all hated.

Right. So then here are, are we ever to read anything into scripture? Because see one of the things you ever noticed this over in Romans nine 11, where it talks about did not, uh, Jacob, I love, but Esau, I hated, I hated, right. People will immediately say, so Esau went to hell.

I mean, how many times have you heard that? Is that what, is that what it says? It says, or is that reading something? It says he hated because of the sin, but we don't know if Esau repented, we don't know there.

It doesn't say what happened. Okay. The Bible does tell you who is the most merciful, who is the most merciful? God. God.

Right. I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy. I will have compassion upon whom I will have compassion. And so here he goes on to talk about who he says in whom we have redemption through the blood, his forgiveness of sins, according to the riches.

Wow. You know, the riches there, uh, the attributes of God are characterized by that term abundance and riches there. He tells you it's used that he has, um, exceedingly riches. So his grace, the riches of the glory of his inheritance, the unsearchable riches, the riches of his glory, the riches of his goodness, the riches, both of his wisdom and his knowledge of God and his riches in glory. So, uh, he tells you in all of these places that refers to the riches here, but it all has to do with things in the universe are his riches.

His blood is being one of them. So it always has to, it always though, refers to God's glory in that, in the riches, huh? Right. So when we go on this, you go ahead, Wendy.

I was just going to say, well, that just tells you, God is the treasure. Oh, absolutely. Now, if, if Joe and I don't get any of this stuff, right, you let us know. Okay. Okay. Now we're in, he had the bounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence have made known have made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure, which he had purposed in himself. See, remember what we talked about yesterday, Joe?

Okay. God's talked. What did he talk about his purpose? That according to the purpose of his will, that he will, he will, what he will complete his purpose. His purposes will be done.

And so this is why we're referred to, because people, they, they underestimate or somehow think that God can't quite do everything he says he's going to do. And then, you know, and of course we brought that up with who, uh, who did God die for? He made it very clear this purpose, uh, see now. Well, the purpose was to die for the saints, really.

Right. But you see, does God get it? In other words, does he always, as he says that he will complete, fulfill his purpose will be done. So if his purpose, it always will be.

All right. So if his purpose was to die for everybody, would not everybody then be saved? The entire world would be saved and there would be heaven on earth immediately on the way. Now, the Pope has said that humanly speaking, Christ failed at Calvary. Humanly speaking, he failed at Calvary. What's wrong with that statement?

Everything. Jesus did everything that the father asked of him or commanded him, however you want to put it, because he said he always obeyed the will of the father. He went, he came as the lamb of God and went to the cross to what die, take your place, my place, Wendy's place to die for our sins.

I call it. Then he was raised from that dead. And then through his resurrection, he conquered death and hell.

I'd say he was extremely successful in his mission. Okay. He goes on to say everything God asked of him.

Absolutely. When he goes and he says wherein he had the bond toward us and in all wisdom and prudence, that simply means in complete and total understanding there. Now, then he says this, having been known unto us in the, uh, well, no verse 10. Then in the, the, that in the dispensation of the fullness of times, he might gather together in one of all things in Christ, both them, which are in heaven and which are on the earth, even in him. Now here, uh, dispensation, there's seven main dispensations spoken of in scripture.

And that's a, it's too big to get into tonight. Okay. That sounds like a pretty good Bible study right there. Right. Yeah.

And I, and I'm, I'm teetering on, on, um, teaching on either that this week or there's something else that's, that's really, I've been in the news, Wendy, do you know what it says in Deuteronomy 28 about the Lord's talking about that there will be plagues and he's going to bring plagues on us that we have never heard of that have never been mentioned. And we're, we're seeing that now today, aren't we? We kind of lived through one, didn't we? Not just see it.

Some of us had it. But there's, but there's others like that are happening right now that newer ones. But anyhow, so I'm thinking of looking at the signs. They're all around us of the end times. They're all around us.

They're everywhere. But you know, it's like the, the idea of people can't, can't see the forest because the trees are in the way. The vast majority of people out there are totally oblivious to their, they're totally oblivious to the signs and the times and the dispensation that we're living in right now. We're living in the sixth dispensation period, um, which is what the church age, huh?

Right. And so all of these things that we're seeing happening is prophesized very clearly without any stuttering, but we're, and we're seeing it. And it's unfolding real time before our eyes, but I would probably say maybe, maybe 5% of the population. I mean, I'm guessing at that actually understands that or are that are aware of what is happening around us.

Big awareness. All right. So he goes on to say in whom we've also obtained an inheritance being predestined according to the purpose of him that worked at all things after the counsel of his own will.

So here we go back again. Who else would God take counsel from but himself? He has no one when he takes counsel from it has to be his own counsel.

Oh yeah. Well, you haven't heard Mr. Duplantis because Mr. Duplantis and I heard him say it. He says that God calls on him for advice. It's so funny for somebody to be that stupid that God who is all-knowing, all-powerful, all-existing, who by thinking, speaking the word, the entire universe into creation, that he's going to take counsel from some of one of the creation, one of the little itty-bitty parts of this gigantic universe.

Well, not only, not only did according to Mr. Duplantis that he asked him for advice on things, but the ladies there said, what, what was he wanting to know? So it's an amazing thing, a time that we live in. Now, uh, let me go to verse 12 that we should be the praise of his glory and the first trust in the Christ in whom you also trusted after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation in whom also after that you believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. Promise. Amen.

Okay. So what, uh, you were sealed. So the Holy Spirit is your seal.

The Holy Spirit is given that by Jesus. So he was doing the ceiling. Christ was doing the ceiling, uh, which is the earnest of your inheritance until the redemption of the purchase possession until the praise of his glory.

So now what is he talking about? He's talking about our salvation is sealed and where is our salvation kept? You read it when you, when you sit here in verse three. So our salvation is kept, it's kept in heaven. It's sealed with the Holy Spirit and Christ sealed it. So if it's in heaven, how, how can we lose it if we don't have possession? All right. We don't have possession of, we can't give it away, sell it. Nobody can take it. Nobody can go to heaven and take away, take it away from there. Okay.

So last night we read 17, he gave, gave us 17 very clear reasons why we can't lose her salvation in Romans chapter eight. Huh? All right. Yeah. That was the, those 17 things. Yeah. And so I can't remember all those at one time, but you're right.

I wrote down the number 17. Yeah. And, uh, that number has significance because 10 means completion, right? And seven means perfection.

So it's complete perfection, right? Right. Okay. Is that right, Wendy? Uh, yes.

I knew it. We'll be right back. Miracles start here. He'll take away your sin. Oh, open up your heart, leave your fears behind, you'll be living there until the end of time.

Yeah. Not his door will open. See, and you will find. And you'll be given eternal life. He'll be waiting there. He'll be waiting there, his arms open wide, waiting there for you. He'll be waiting there, his arms open wide, waiting there for you. He'll be waiting there for you. It was for you and I that he was crucified.

Boy, that guy can sing. I'll tell you anyhow, listen to this. You know what happened with an angel?

You sound good. Yeah. She was, uh, boy, I'm going to ask to could sink.

Couldn't she? She was a sweetheart and she's home with the angels now singing in their choir. Yep. And, uh, anyhow, you know, I want to thank the lady that called in to remind me today was the 22nd, not the 23rd. And, uh, thank you, ma'am for doing that. Joe didn't do it.

So I thank you for doing it already. But now speaking of Joe, we have Jack Boyle and Jack was got nothing to do with Joe. You sound good already. What's going on here? Hold it, hold it. Jack Boyle, turn your radio off.

Are you there? Jack, somebody had the radio on and that we were getting a seven minute delay. Jack Boyle, are you there? Where's Jack at Kyle, live radio folks, uh, you know, that's what makes it interesting.

We do have our problems and, uh, anyway, they're, uh, Kyle was working hard to get this. Okay. Are you, are you, are you there?

Jack? I am here and I apologize. I thought I had turned my radio off. I've been listening for the last hour and it's a wonderful, uh, conversation that you've been having. And I didn't realize I hadn't turned my, uh, my iPad off, which I was listening on. So yeah, I was confused.

Who was talking to whom? That's the first time that's happened, Jack. Trust me.

I can't imagine. All right. So now, but now we still have an echo. I got an echo, but that's okay.

I'll get by this echo. Now here's what we're going to talk about. Jack, uh, there was a writ, a mandamus filed Monday, um, in Ohio Supreme court. And now inject you are with the Ohio, Ohio for life action committee, which I am indeed. Yes. And we are fighting, we're fighting this evil, evil, evil legislation.

They're trying to get on the ballot. And so, uh, here we have a verified complaint for writ of mandamus today. Do you want to cover that or you want, go ahead.

I would be happy to talk about that. Yes. Well, go ahead and take it away and tell the folks because, okay. Okay. Well, you know, the, the, um, the process for getting a constitutional amendment on the ballot, you know, is that laid out in Ohio's constitution is that, uh, you, you know, write your constitutional amendment. You write a, um, uh, a short summary that describes it. You circulate, you get a thousand signatures and then you submit it to the attorney general.

And the attorney general's job is to say that your short description accurately describes your amendment. Um, and, uh, a little bit too many people's surprises, but often, you know, the practice has been over years and certainly recently, but the long periods of time, uh, the attorney general doesn't accept the first try. Okay.

They say, no, this doesn't really do it. And they, you know, sort of reject it and, uh, the, the, the petitioners have to go back a couple of times before they get it right. This time for, for reasons that don't seem to quite make sense, it very quickly was approved.

Okay. The next step is it goes to something called the ballot board and the ballot board's job. And the ballot board's job and the ballot board is the group of, uh, five people, uh, three Democrats, three Republicans and two Democrats now, because of the, you know, the way, uh, the office holders are in Columbus and, and it's chaired by the secretary and two more Republicans and then, and a couple of Democrats and the ballot board's job is to say that the, the measure, uh, satisfies what's called the single issue rule. And we have in Ohio law and, uh, that, that, that, uh, legislation and constitutional amendments and petitions and whatever have to be about a single issue. And that, uh, frankly is honored pretty much in the breach.

Uh, nobody pays any attention to it unless it's something that everybody hates and then they whack you over the head with it. Okay. But, um, in this case, again, the ballot board almost instantly, uh, passed it and approved it, approved it. Let me jump in a minute here, because first of all, in Ohio, like you said, things are like you said, three Republicans and two Democrats. And unfortunately in Columbus, a lot of our Republicans aren't Republicans.

Our Republicans are Democrats. Okay. Yeah. The rhinos we've, and we warned and, and we've been after people to try to stop this. What's been going on for a long time now here, when you talk about single issue, this is by no way single issue. Not only has this have anything to do with, we kill them, babyhood abortion, but if they pass that, the parents have no right to even be informed.

In fact, they can legally be, uh, parents can be charged if they try to stop their children from the boys from being castrated and the young girls from having their breasts cut off, uh, and, and all kinds of, of evil things. This is legislation right from hell, isn't it? Well, it clearly is. Okay. And it clearly, the idea that this is a single issue is absurd. Okay. But for, again, on understandable reasons from my perspective, anyway, the ballot board just, uh, instantly approve this thing. Now, those reasons usually have to do with a certain number of greenbacks. That's the way it usually works out.

Solomon's, Solomon's said money answers all things. Go ahead. There's, there's a lot of, there's, there's a lot of speculation about why. Okay. And, um, and frankly, both in the attorney general's, uh, sphere and in the ballot board sphere, um, there were people that those of us, uh, you know, on the, uh, on the pro-life side considered to be allies. And we were a little baffled about why this just slid through so quickly.

Okay. Um, and, and there's, there's a good scenario, uh, whether it's believable or not remains to be seen. But one of, one of the good scenario is that the, the bad guys, the pro, the pro boards have done a bad job of writing their, uh, petition. And, and that because of the fact that not only do they enshrine abortion through birth and whatever in this thing, but they also take away parental, uh, notification that this is something that will be, you know, potentially successfully defeated. And they didn't want to give the pro-oports a chance to rewrite the thing in a way that would be more acceptable politically. That's the good scenario.

The bad scenario is everybody's running for cover. Everybody's worried about the next thing that they're going to run for. They didn't want to be involved in the controversy and they just look the other way.

And which is it? Well, you know, I, I've been working in Columbus as, as have you, Pastor Sanders and many of us to unfortunately be pretty, uh, skeptical and cynical about, you know, the motivation to what people do. In any case, they did it. However, um, a group in Cincinnati, uh, said, we're not taking this, the idea that this is a single issue is absurd. And so they filed suit and, uh, for a writ of mandamus and a writ of mandamus basically is it's, it's a writ that asks the court to make an order, uh, and then because of the way this thing is filed, this goes straight to the Ohio Supreme Court. Uh, I had, I had heard about this and I didn't take it very seriously until I heard who the attorney was.

And he's the guy named Kurt Hartman from Cincinnati, who is very good and who I've worked with before. And I think this thing's got a real chance. And the question is, I mean, and they, and they, and they quote in, in, if you look at the filing, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that attorney Hartman did, um, if you look at the minute of the ballot board, they never even discussed whether it was a single issue or not. They never even, if that was their job, that was what the ballot board exists for. It never even was raised and they, he quotes the Supreme Court, the US Supreme Court in the, uh, Casey, uh, horrendous decision that was done in the nineties that, uh, uh, you know, kept Roe going, but also in the Dobbs decision where in both cases, the US Supreme Court says abortion is a single issue, disconnected from other issues. And I mean, there's no higher judicial authority that we have.

And so this, um, you know, this, this, this, uh, suit has, I think, real, uh, you know, power and real, real chance of being successful. Now, the question is, Zach, what's the Ohio Supreme Court going to do? They might just order the ballot board to go back and look at it again. Okay. Joe's, Joe's asking, he's got a comment.

Go ahead, Joe. Well, you're talking about this ballot board, the, the phrase just hits me in the face, evil triumphs when good men do nothing. And it sounds like that's what happened when good men do nothing.

It sounds like that's what happened when this was just passed up through. Nobody did anything. Didn't look at it. Didn't criticize it.

Didn't check it. And now you've got it into play. And it's just that old adage, evil triumphs when good men do nothing. Nobody stopped this and they should have stopped it long ago, right? Well, you know, I think what Jack may be saying to you is this, okay.

Okay. Because, uh, the Ohio attorney general is, is pro-life. I know him and he is, but he's very pro-life now. He may have looked at this thought and thought, okay, here, I'm going to, I'm going to let this thing go through and Dave Yost, because if I let it go through the way it is, it doesn't have a chance. And that may be what, what he was thinking about there. Because again, like I said, he's been with us, he's been pro-life with us.

Wouldn't you, wouldn't you say Jack? I, uh, I've talked to him and he's been with us a hundred percent along the way. And pastor Sanders, he's a, he's an extraordinarily good man and he is definitely with us. And so, um, you know, again, he's just sort of pushing this thing through without even, you know, so much as a little bump in the road was a surprise to me. And, and I can't think of any other reason other than he thinks this is beatable. Now, let me say this, when this is on the ballot, there's horrendous danger. You know, I mean, they might steal it. They might this, they might that, who knows?

I mean, we can't, even though it makes sense to us that it's absurd and it should be beaten. It's on the ballot. This could pass. Well, they've got to get 413. Yeah, they have to get 413,000 signatures by July 5th. But let me ask you this because here they wanted to, uh, in August, uh, when they have the primary there, they wanted to take a look at this thing and in August and, uh, and see if they have a vote, if they could move it up to before a ballot could be approved, you'd have to be with 60% of the vote, not 50% right now, right?

Well, there's two things that you're raising with this comment. First is the 413,000 or 15,000, whatever it is, signatures. Um, they had a drive-through petition signing event in Bainbridge Township, which was about in a park, which is about two miles from my house. Okay. And very close, Pastor Sanders, to where he's not, not, I'm a little closer than you are, but, uh, last Saturday and I went there just to see what they were doing.

And I was, I actually was confused about the location and I didn't get there until about 15 minutes before they were finished, but they were in a park in Bainbridge and there were only two cars. And if, if they've got two cars at a time, they're never going to get to 413,000 signatures. The trouble is there are companies that you can hire to get signatures. And, uh, once upon a time, 10, 12 years ago, I worked on a couple of, you know, it costs anywhere from a dollar and a half to four bucks a signature. Um, I've been thinking it might cost 10 bucks a signature these days, although people are telling me even higher, but, but, but the satanic people behind this, their money is no object.

They have all the money that they could possibly need. And so if they need $10 million or $20 million to get these signatures, they'll get it. And so, you know, we can't, and even if they don't say they go through this process, they need these signatures by July 5th, and let's say they only get 300,000, the signatures are still good. They can just keep collecting the signatures and put it on next year.

So we don't really dodge a bullet by having them not make it. Okay. Um, the second thing is there is, uh, uh, has been talk in Columbus about changing the process in the Ohio constitution by which you amend the constitution. And right now we have a process where you get the thing on the ballot and if it passes by 50% plus one, it's in the constitution. And we have all kinds of horrible things in the constitution because, you know, companies or businesses, and, you know, I would, I would say that casino gambling might be the best example or the worst, depending on your point of view of that, because, you know, business interests or, you know, again, union interests or, uh, you know, pro-abortion interests or whatever, you know, had the money and just essentially bought the, the process.

Okay. And when you think about how difficult it is to amend the United States constitution, the idea that you can put them on the ballot and then have it passed by 50% plus, plus one, uh, to abend our state constitution is absurd. It's far too easy. And so there has been talk for some years and very much, uh, recently about changing, putting a, uh, a process on, uh, putting a constitutional amendment on the ballot that would change the process to require a 60%, uh, margin of, you know, to pass a constitutional amendment instead of the 50% that we have now. Now, the trouble is, uh, that should have been passed and it was supposed to have been passed in the lame duck session last December of the house of the, of the, well, the general assembly house and, and, uh, uh, Senate.

And of course, I'm sure, I'm not sure if your listeners are aware, you certainly, you know, pastor Sanders, you and are aware that, uh, despite the fact that the Republicans had 67 members in the 99 member house, uh, 22 Republicans and, uh, joined with all of the Democrats to elect essentially a Democrat leaning professional lobbyists as the speaker of the house. Absolutely. That's, that's what, that's what we warned and warned and warned and warned people about. That's what they were going to do. Yeah. Yep. And that, you know, that speaker made deals, I mean, has to have made deals.

Okay. They killed the, the backpack bill. They killed this, uh, you know, a constitutional amendment.

There are other things that it appears that they killed. And now they're talking about resurrecting it and, and trying, uh, to get it on the ballot in August. But there was just a news report from Gong War, which is, uh, you know, a new service that, you know, pays attention to stuff going on in the general assembly that the speaker, again, this Jason Stevens, the, the guy that is really a Democrat, um, he's cool to the idea of putting this on the August ballot and, you know, and, and then the conundrum comes to, so let's say they get it on the September or on the November ballot, but the abortion is on the November ballot too. And so let's say both of them passed. Then if we try to, then if we try to go back next year and undo the abortion, uh, amendment, we need, we need 60%. It passed with 50, but we'll need 60. And so, I mean, we're in this sort of conundrum, this no man's land of what is it that we do? Um, and so we've got to stop them for, from getting it on the ballot in November.

Okay. In other words, when we see people out there collecting signatures, I know if I see someone out there, I'm going to go up and I'm going to preach them having sweet hell hot. I'm going to stand there and talk to them and let them know that what they're doing is about death and, and, and what God's word, the Bible is pretty clear about how he feels about harming children.

And this, this whole thing destroys children. And I encourage people out there to know. Now, another thing we can do, Jack, is we can make professionally made signs. We have a out here that tells what it's really all about, what this thing is really all about.

And just go up there where you see these people out there and stand next to them carrying that sign. But there's other things we're going to fight this because it already, uh, our sewers run red with the blood of the unborn in this country today. America's national sin is child killing.

We don't need any more grievous national sins. And so this is an example to the whole nation, how the Democrats work. They infiltrate, they put, uh, you know, rhinos in office to thwart things. This is the kind of thing that happens in every state in this country. And it's why we keep trying to remind people that they must get involved, pay attention to their local politics.

They have to be on top of things because they try and sneak things by. What's the name of this now that they're trying to pass? I didn't catch that at first. What's the referendum called? Well, it's called the, uh, let me think about it.

The reproduction freedom with, with, uh, with like safety and safeguards amendment. So it's a total lie completely. I mean, it's just like what they do.

What it says is exactly the opposite of what it does. It's the way it always is. Which is par for the course, right? Yep. Right, right. Well, let me say this. The, you only got one minute left, so go ahead. And again, you know, you know, pastor Ernie, you know, I'm a grassroots guy.

I'm out there again. I went to the petition signing and there were only two cars and I didn't really know. There were no signs. They were, you know, they were keeping their head down and I sort of drove up slowly. Cause I didn't even know where I was going and a woman comes up to my car, roll the window down and she says, do you want to sign the petition? And I said, no, I just wanted to see where it was, which didn't actually make any sense. And she says to me, do you have any questions? And I said, no, but I will pray for you. And she looked at me and then she said, okay.

And she turned and walked away. All righty, Jack, thanks for being here. We need you to give us updates because we're out of time. We're going right up to a hard break here, but there will be more, more about this and I'll be very happy to come back and talk about the new developments as they happen. We will do it. All right. Thank you very much. We will be back right after this with more don't go away.

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