WRWL Hour 2

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Donate at WRWL.org. While we wait for calls, and like you said the phone lines are open, I want to ask Marcel, what is it that we can actually do to kind of reinstall hand counting? Because to me, at the very least, that should be done afterwards just to verify. Yeah, I would tell you that we're gonna first have to do voter ID for all ballots casted. We allow one million people in Ohio in the last two elections, that's about 20% of our total voting population, to actually cast an absentee no excuse ballot without a copy of a photo ID. That's preposterous for a state that claims to have a voter ID law.

That's absolutely insane. Yeah, they built that loophole three years ago. I'll get to the hand counting piece. I think that comes later because the next thing that we have to do is we have to equip all ADA county board of elections with the means and the mandate by law to check all voter applications for correct information. We don't do that today. All we do is we create voter ID numbers and leave it to the Secretary of State Bureau of Motor Vehicles to figure it out. And then when we find that there's a deficiency in the information, we send people a bunch of letters asking them to correct it. And if those letters are ignored, the election administrators and the Secretary of State Ohio still let them vote an absentee ballot.

I kid you not. That is in the election official manual to treat a voter in confirmation status, which is this status that means there's an issue with their record. We still give them that privilege. So we're clearly broken on that front in terms of election administration. We also have an online registration system. The online registration system does not require the user to actually prove who they are through using what we call identity proofing. And that means that any third party that wants to either use stolen data or wants to, if you will, mimic someone's information, can use that, put that in there, and if it matches what's in the system, they could start manipulating voter registration. And there's no record of this because our voter record, anytime they're changed, there's no record of the change that took place because they're not using the latest technology, which is blockchain information system technology.

So I proposed that as well in Ohio, and they were not interested in suiting up and making a more secure and transparent voter registration. Now, to answer your question, Ken, sorry, I just had to go around on some of the things you do right away. Yes, yes.

I want you to clarify and give me all the information. Yeah, no, I've got more information than I could give you possibly because this is two years of deep research, but this is what I know, and this is why I'm the right candidate for this job. I'm just not...a lot of people say that, you know, the candidate that's running against me, treasurer, is a good Christian man, and I have no reason to dispute that. Although I'm also a good Christian man, but I'm the right man to do the job because I understand what exactly needs to be done, and I have the will to do it, whereas somebody from within the Republican Party that wants to be an SOS, Secretary of State, who wants to be a governor, is not going to do the things that the people of the electorate of Ohio want because they're not going to want to alienate a constituency.

They're going to want to be...they're going to want to tread lightly, whereas I would look at it and say, is it the right thing to do? And if there could be a reasonable explanation to do it, then let's do it. And so the people of Ohio have a real choice in 2026, one year from now. You can choose somebody who wants to do this job and knows exactly where the vulnerabilities are in the system, and we can take care of that.

And as far as the business servicing, which is another part of the Secretary of State job, I have the ability to understand and know that because my family comes from a small business owner community and was self-employed. So we get it on both sides. If you want hand-counting to come back, it's going to come through the rural counties. And there has to be more of a movement like was in Monroe County. People have to step up, they have to organize themselves, they have to sign a petition, you need to take that petition to your county commissioners because they're the ones that cut the checks for the Board of Elections, and you got to tell them, we want hand-counting. Fortunately for all of us gentlemen, President Trump has issued an executive order at the end of March calling upon the states to do away with certifying any voting machines that record our votes inside of QR codes, QR and barcodes. Most people think that what they're looking at as far as the ballot that comes out of the voting machine, the receipt, and what they see is exactly what's going to be counted in their vote. What is really counted is what gets inputted into the barcode and the QR code, which means that when you take your digital ballot out of that voting machine, you run it in that counter, you don't know technically how that voting machine recorded your vote in the QR code and the barcode. Therefore, it's not fully accurate to say that we have 100% paper ballots and that we have 100% knowledge of who we're voting for, and that has to go away. So that's something that it looks like is going to be addressed with that executive order, and now it's just a question of will our Secretary of State ignore this executive order and this new development, and will our county board of elections continue to resist change and pursue the status quo?

And if anyone else has any questions, they can call 888-677-9673 or 216-901-0933. Is there any way, and I don't believe there's a way to do this now, but is there any way that we would be able to verify our votes? This past election, I took a picture of the ballot before I put it in the machine, just so I had that. But you can go online and you can see where you're registered to vote, you could see your voting history as far as you voted this year, you voted in this election, but you don't actually see what was counted as your vote, because I think that would be something that if we can implement, then everyone can go and verify that their vote was actually counted the correct way. Yeah, and what the Secretary of State says to us is that we do a full audit, and then when you ask him, what do you mean, and then you find out that the risk-limiting audit that is done in every county includes less than 5% of three randomly selected precincts, you know that there's hundreds of precincts from counties, you realize that the sample size is nothing to fawn over as far as putting a lot of rastody into the idea that that audit on paper ballots is covering any issues of malfeasance or fraud. But the question really needs to be, are the people of Ohio ready for the idea of full paper ballots? You should always ask, every county in Ohio is supposed to give you a pre-printed, hand-marked paper ballot. I ask, and it's funny to watch this, the Board of Elections are so ingrained on giving us this digital ballot that a lot of times, and this is no knock on the workers, I've worked with this poll worker, they don't know what to do. If you want to watch a funny scene play out, they've got to talk to the manager, this is how degraded it's become, in a way, instead of when you come in, you say, would you like a paper ballot or would you like a digital blank ballot? That should be the standard question under the current system. I want to see a system where it's, here's your pre-printed, hand-marked paper ballot, fill it out, it's so much simpler, and go to the counting machine and put it in the machine, and you're done. This whole thing about lugging around expensive equipment, which many rural counties are already financially strapped, it's really a burden for them to pay for, operate, maintain, and so it really makes sense to me, if we're going to succeed in this regard, the way I would approach it as your Secretary of State in Ohio, is I would make that rural county show the plan that they have to do this, and if it looks like it checks out based on set criteria, then give them the authority to do it, and try to do it in an election where you're talking like a less of, less of a tenant. Let them build up, because we're going to need to reteach people how to do this.

This used to be known 20, 30 years ago, but that's just not the pattern that we have today, so we have to look at this more like a five-year plan, my estimate. Well, you're absolutely right, and I want to do away with all these drop boxes, you saw how the drop boxes are working out. You had people coming out with two or three hundred ballots and sticking them in the drop boxes, so, again, let's go back to the way it was when it was working, when it was working. I mean, there's always been some corruption, I remember back in the days, you know, in Chicago, where you were from, Illinois, the Daily, you know, you had what was going on in the, yeah, you had all those dead people voting for John Kennedy. I mean, you think about what President Obama did, he took that model and he nationalized it.

Yeah. And so, I'm very sensitive to that, because my whole life, before I got into the military, you didn't have an option to vote for a Republican. You had to vote somebody in the machine, and, you know, it's like, I'm very privy to it. And I'm not sure that, you know, in Ohio, people understand what can happen, but Illinois is just not a state that's on the comeback, and it's almost an impossibility at this point. So, we have to protect Ohio from those type of takeovers, if you will, and, yeah, we're ready to do that, but you're going to have to have, you know, somebody who's bold in the Secretary of State job, who understands how the system works, where it's all tied together, and is willing to do it. And I think that person is me, and that's why I'm running. And if people are interested in my campaign that I have, they can go to Sturbich, S-T-R-B-I-C-H, for F-O-R, ohio.com, and if you can, you know, put a sign up for me or tell people about me, and or even consider a donation or contribution that would go a very long way to being your citizen candidate and giving us a chance to restore and get back on the right track with our election systems.

Thank you. So, voting integrity is obviously, to me, the number one issue, but what other issues are there that you're running on? The main piece that I am running on is the election systems, because we have to restore that.

I am looking right now at the business services side. I think the issue right now, and I don't know if your audience knows it, when this current Secretary of State, Frank LaRose, took office, it was an 18 million dollar budget, is what it costs, okay, across the board, to run his business services division, which is licensing businesses in Ohio, as well as the election operations, right? Now the budget for the Secretary of State, as of last year, is 65 million dollars. How did a Republican grow 325% budget in election operations in six years?

How did that happen? And so, we have to relook at this, and I think there's 12 million dollars of savings right off the bat. We're actually treating voting systems like they are critical infrastructure, so when you pass the bond amendment, which is the last bond amendment passed with issue two this last week, you're redoubling the ability to buy more of those voting machines, which President Trump has said, if they are not changed, should be decertified.

So there's the cruelty in that process. You tied the roads, bridges, water treatment plants, but you also have tied that to election voting systems. So people are effectively, you know, continuing to reconstitute the system that a lot of people lost faith in, and it doesn't have to be that way. But yes, I would look at, how are we spending the taxpayer's money? That would be a big emphasis for me, and again, if you go to just paper ballots and you don't have to buy a voting system for seven and a half million dollars per county and replace it every 10 years, which is about what it comes out to in a county like Butler in Ohio, you know, think about the savings that we're going to have, and we're going to have peace of mind because we can put a camera over the counting process, or we can count it ourselves and report it out of a precinct polling location. You're not going to find a candidate in this race that's going to talk in those terms or be prepared to move in that direction. And that's what we need, and I think Ohioans are ready for that, and we're going to get it done. WILKERSON Well, we are ready, you know, for someone like yourself. You're talking straight, right? You're not giving us any of the clever that we get from some of these, you know, these politicians.

It's because he's not a politician, you know, I guess he's kind of dipping his toe in the water now. WILKERSON All right. So you can, again, you're going to have this thing on Wednesday, May 21st, and that's going to be Ohio Freedom Fighters at the 7291 Stone Road in Medina. You say, and they're off the back, there's going to be speeches, photos, opportunity, and so you're telling people to actually, to bring maybe an extra chair to sit on, in case there's not enough room.

SABLUDOWSKY Well, there's hundreds of seats. I want to see this thing packed, and I want Columbus to know, because this is starting to get a lot of attention. You know, I was at the event in Columbus where they endorsed the Vacrams, okay, and that was a big deal, right? We're a year out, and the Republican Party decided to put the backing on a sitting Senator John Husted and Vivek, and I was there to see that, and it's very interesting to see the current group of politicians who are in the system.

They're there, and they're trying to associate so closely with Vivek, to take photo ops with them, and just try to make it appear like they're going to be part of this new transformative leadership that it's going to bring. And so it's very interesting for me as an outsider to kind of watch this, because these people are going through the motions, right, and what a lot of them want is they just want to be the Lieutenant Governor, if they could be the Lieutenant Governor. And so this act is going to play out for a little while, Vivek's going to pick as Lieutenant Governor, and then the race is going to begin, and then people are going to have a real stark choice and contrast from someone who's done and has deep knowledge of what's going on in our election system, what we're going to have to do. And I want to turn, like Vivek wants to turn Ohio into something that Florida and Texas could follow, I want Ohio to beat that for elections. I want Texas and Florida to look to Ohio and say, whatever those guys are doing, we need to be doing. So we're talking about a state of excellence in Ohio elections.

It's awesome. It's that simple. And that's got to be done, you know, systematically, we got to do it step by step, but the Secretary of State position is the position to get it done. That's why I'm running for it. Because without that position, the reforms that President Trump is calling for will not happen.

Okay, so in Ohio, when you saw Sherrod Brown, who was there, the big money, I mean the tons of money that the Democrats spent in Ohio to reelect him, when you saw him lose, what did you think? I think that the people have started to get sick of the old group of retail politicians that have embedded themselves in politics for 30 years, I believe he was in DC and another 20 years or so in politics within Ohio. And that's why I think a candidate like me has a chance at the people back, a good strong chance, because this is not the era where I have to climb up the ranks of the Republican Party, right, and I have to do what I'm told and vote on bad bills, get dirtied up for 13, 15 years, and always take the road that's least risky politically, right? And then maybe I get a nod to run. No, this is the era after 2016, where you have people are starving for leadership competence, straight talk, what are we going to do to address the problem? They just want to know that the money they spent on their government is going to provide them something of value.

That's what I think of when I pay my high property taxes. And so we need citizen candidates from all aspects, but I think the military has a certain group of people that it has built up. And I'm just fortunate to have worked with some of the best people that have existed in my generation and put it on the line. You know, our war in Afghanistan was 7,290 days. There's no war longer in the United States than that war. Can you imagine the degree of resilience and leadership?

And I only served there six months. But those are the type of people that are now available to serve in society. And I'm calling upon all of our military service members with those strong royalties to take a role in your local community, come out, your country needs you. This country can and will be saved. If we understand that what our task and our purpose is, and the answer is to save this country, then this country will be saved. And that's Steve Bannon talking there, but that's a very powerful thing.

And I'm driven by that every day when I think about what my mission is and what we have to do. Well, you know, when we go to war, you know, it's either going to be a war, not a police action. And like you said, you know, going in there all those years, that war could have been ended a lot quicker. And I know there in Afghanistan, the situation, but the way we left there was just an abomination. Unbelievable what Biden did. And he even went against, even went against his generals, okay? We never should have left there. We never should have left that air base there, you know, with all the money that we put into that. And the way that happened was just a total disgrace. Well, you don't pull out the troops first.

No. And you definitely don't leave all that equipment there for them. It was the dumbest move ever.

Well, it wasn't so dumb if you, let me tell you something. You know, he didn't give that equipment. The Biden crime cartel never did anything. Right now I know today they're complaining that they're broke, but look, just like with Obama, with his plane loads full of cash, there was kickbacks, a lot of kickbacks coming in. And, you know, that's how Obama went... So you say it fell off the truck? Yeah, yeah. One of my friends always said, it fell off the plane. And that's what happened with the Biden crime cartel.

The money came back hot and heavy. And so, now Trump is in here, and things have changed, and this is good. The people have got to stay behind them. I see the fake news media here has already been saying that, you know, Ohio, Trump's popularity is dropping rapidly. I don't see that in Ohio. No. I don't see it.

No. And so... What I would be concerned about for those right now is what happens when President Trump is not on the ticket. Remember, he wins the state by 12 this time. What type of candidates are coming up that have his convictions that can galvanize those people?

If it's just business as usual in Columbus, and they're just swapping chairs, I don't see a good portion of the electorate coming out and voting for a Republican. And that is why candidates like of the fake or like myself can and should be supported, because that means that what he has done at the national level in terms of galvanizing actions that need to be done, that momentum needs to be continually cultivated in Ohio. When we bring forward candidates like that, we can excite people again. People want hope, they want action.

They want to know that people are working for their interests, and they're not working for some other smaller group of interests or some politician's personal, you know, self-professional development in government. Now, I think you kind of just answered it right now, but I wanted to ask you what is it exactly that you like about Vivek? Well, first and foremost, he is somebody that has been in industry, and I read his book Woke, Inc.

Okay, this is what got me very interested in him. He took a look at the whole DEI takeover of corporate America. He was a CEO of a biotech company, and when the George Floyd riot began in 2020, and that was used as a galvanizing moment for the Democrat Party to rally voters in that election year, right? Yeah, a summer of love.

Summer of love, but they needed to get people out in the street. They needed to use those old fears and old demagoguery that they've always used to draw their popular vote. When that happened, he was at a company and he was not bending, right, to what his employees wanted him to do, which was, you know, genuflect to George Floyd and that movement, and they chased him out of the company on that. He wrote an entire book on it that talks about how we can take that and how we can turn that, right? And one of the chapters in the book talks about DEI has become like a religion, and it was a very innovative argument he made. He said, basically, if it's a religion, you cannot, and he used the whole secular humanist argument, you're not allowed to practice your religion publicly, right, at schools and other things. If that's the case, what he argued in his book, it's in a later part of the book, it's a chapter, Woke, Inc. is the name of his book, what he argued was that you can use that argument about religion, turn it back on them, and basically say, this is like a religion, you're violating my rights in terms of practice, or not practicing it, you're forcing me to practice religion, was his argument in the book. And I thought, what a brilliant way to invert what was evil and turn it into good to fight it.

So, you know, you're talking about Christian resistance right there, that's Christian resistance. I don't think anybody actioned it, because, you know, let's say the Department of Justice was feckless about it, but that's an example of somebody who is a brilliant thinker, and I think it's important that you have out-of-box thinkers, I think he definitely changes the dynamic from John Kasich and Mike DeWine, and I would give him a chance to see where he could take Ohio. He's saying the right thing, but we'll have to see how it plays out. You know, that's one thing that we have in common with the Democrats, they, you know, we want to change from the old guard, too, and so do they, but they have a whole different definition of doing that. I was amazed to hear, you know what, Michael Hogg, he is the vice chair of the DNC, and he is saying that the old guard should be getting done away with, and for the new people, the younger people coming up, that their focus should be on fornication and partying.

Yeah. This is the vice chair of the DNC, okay? Because that's what young people should be doing, instead of going along with the old worn-out. Now, you have AOC, she says that they can't, she's out there, they can't arrest all of us, they're talking about what took place again today at the Newark, New Jersey, the Democrats, they stormed again the ICE facility, and here they were there, and they talked to them, and they wanted to release, they wanted to break out the inmates there, amongst them, murderers, people that were convicted of murder, child murder, killing children and dismembering children, and the Democrats wanted to break them loose. They had rapists, they had pedophiles, they had, you know, you just name it. And why would the Democrats want all of these people, why would they want to have open borders?

Well, it's very simple. They want these people to come in and vote, early and often, and, I mean, that's... It also lets them grow their government programs, because remember, their party got taken over by the grievance industry, and so they've got lawyers who are benefiting financially, third-party non-profits, it's a whole industry, right, to do this human and sex trafficking and movement of people. And so, it's very lucrative, it's not just from an immoral standpoint, I mean, it's financially driven for them to bring them in, and of course, to build that next group and base of support, this is something that, as you all know, has been a 15-year project for the Democrats.

Absolutely, and in fact, there's going to be an investigation by how these people, these Democrats become so wealthy so quick after getting into office, and Obama's a perfect example of that, but the other one is this latest loudmouth out there, this Crockett woman out there, she went from, you know, middle-class now to multi-multi-millionaire in just a couple of years. Well, that's what she is, she's a self-promoter, Kim Crockett, yeah, Joe Jasmine Crockett, so she's trying to create this video brand, but don't you think that's something that does not suit them well? I mean, a lot of our population is kind of somewhere in the middle, and I don't know if that's so attractive for them to see these people doing that. I mean, what do you all think about the image crisis that creates for them? They don't look serious when they act like that. Well, they've gone from cussing, standing out cussing, you had a group of these women, you know, they actually wanted to sue Trump because of Trump Derangement Syndrome, I'm not kidding you, that Trump has given them, it's hurt them so bad, given them such anguish that they want to sue him, and you have these women that are going out into the woods, they're paying as much as $2,000 for a weekend to go out in the woods and scream, okay? And do rehab, yeah, to get it out of their system.

I don't think that's so bad, right? They're not harming anybody, they're trying to sell fuel, right? It's just ridiculous. Yeah, well, I've listened to someone that's screaming, and boy, I tell you, it's, you know... Let them do it out in the woods, then, get away from us.

Yeah, and so, I mean, here, you know, they're having... There was a psychiatrist, in fact, I'll be doing a program on this guy, or doing a piece, he was a psychiatrist, and he actually went out and told the truth, he said, you know, this whole stuff is ridiculous, this is lunacy, especially the transgender with the children, trying to force them, and he was fired from his job for telling the truth. And again, now you've actually heard the CEO of NPR come out and say, well, you can't always tell the truth, because telling the truth doesn't always work as well, and it's harder for people to understand sometimes, so you can't always tell the truth. The difference is, you believe, Pastor, that there is absolute truth. This group of people you're talking about believes that truth is relative, and therein lies the difference between us, right? We think that, you know, life is God's gift, it's sacred, you know, and we hold that to be a truth, right?

That we're created equal, and these things. They don't have that metric, I think that there's a group that looks at it and says, you know, truth begins with the way I start with my feelings, so you have a difference between reason and then rationalization, so it's a very interesting, since you brought up psychiatry, you know, it's a very interesting study, and why it's very difficult for people to debate with these people. You want to talk reason to somebody, but their mindset is not built to accept reason. It's built to be built on, you know, how they feel, or in their mind, they can change whatever they think they want to believe to make themselves feel different, does that make sense? Well, you can't argue logic with a person, with an emotional person. That's the bottom line, I mean, we deal in truth, logic, and facts, and they deal in emotions. Well, you know, a lot of it's got to whatever God's word the Bible teaches, they want to be, that's logic and common sense, they want to be in total opposition, like for example, you know, Kataiji Jackson or whatever, and she doesn't know what a woman is.

Now, here's a woman who's telling you she don't know what she is, okay? And I mean... That's a great example. Yeah, but then you have, well, wait a minute, you got a better one, you got Tampon Tim, Tampon Tim putting tampons in boys' bathrooms, didn't they, they were doing the same thing out there, nuisance in California, okay? Now, why would you do that? Why would you want to put tampons in boys' bathrooms?

Think about that. What could possibly be the logic behind that? Are they trying to say you boys don't have any right to be boys? Or are they trying to say... Placating and pandering.

Pardon? Placating and pandering, what they think they need to acquire for their support, right? And to show a degree of tolerance. The new tolerance in the mind of those is to placate and pander to.

That's love. It's love to accept something that's broken or hurting rather than actually admit that that's something that needs to be healed, right? And that's where our faith kind of helps us. But if you're secular and you're atheist, it's not an outlet for you to choose that.

You can't choose that form of healing, so what you choose is to deny that there is that, and therefore you can go and do whatever you want and then commit more harm upon yourself than others, right? Well, it could be that, or it could be that they're saying, well, if these girls have to have their periods and that's a painful thing, then the boys should have to do it, too. Now, I know that that doesn't, well, and that's why you have these...

It don't really work. Right? Okay. And this is why they want to give people like Buttigieg and others, these men or these males or whatever you call them, maternity leave so they can go out there and have a baby, but they really can't have babies, but they don't know that. So think about this, the people that we're dealing with out there, it's lunacy. The Bible's got a lot of names for it.

Reprobate is one, okay? And so, yeah, but you're right what you're saying. This is a time that we're living in that is described perfectly, perfectly in 2 Timothy chapter 3 and Romans chapter 1.

It's there. We're living in that. And that's what, you know, the Bible tells you, too, when it tells in Daniel chapter 12 verse 3 and 4 to seal up the book until the end times, we're living the unsealing of that book. All of that stuff is taking place in front of us right now before our very eyes, but there's only a very small percentage of us that understand that. And so those are the days we're living in. So that should be encouraging for us, shouldn't it?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, in other words, to simplify it, we know what we're doing. And the Democrats, they're clueless. They're absolutely clueless.

So what do you think about this now? Because they're, what is going to happen? They're going to try to find someone to be a party leader, and I'm looking for this summer for them to start all kinds of riots. They were cussing before, right now, they're singing. Have you seen what they've been doing lately? They're all getting together, and they're singing. And they sound horrible, but they're singing like the old songs back in the 1960s.

You know, we will overcome type songs. What kind of strategy do you think that is? How's that going to help them?

Tell me. I think, you know, what you're talking about there is self-cope on one hand, for those people who are truly in a mental state, where this time is suffering for them, right? They equate. I mean, when you look at the mindset of some of these people, the government is like a religion, okay? And when they don't have their people, or who they presume to be their defenders in the government, and they think it's gone to, you know, the other side, it's very difficult for them to cope with that. So these are the type of behaviors you would see—and again, this is more of a psychological analysis—but these are the type of behaviors you would see with people who are struggling to cope. And this idea of coming together in groups, collectivized, is like a soothing element. And so this is termed as their resistance. Now, you're not in power, you can't change things, but you've got to resist. I mean, this is the same pattern that happened in 16 to 20.

It's a dead-end pattern. It doesn't grow the movement, and in essence, it shows that the Democrats are not ready to govern. They're not ready to be seen as serious if they're only—what they're proposing is to basically resist. So the question is, are the current people, the public officials, the Republicans, how are they prepared to do something productive to keep showing the American people that it's worthy to keep themselves and their ideas and their policies in office? I'm not sure that the Republicans are capitalizing on that, and it's a big reason why we need change in these public offices, it's a big reason why I'm running for the secretary of state, so that we can not look at the noise, which is what the Democrats have, and produce signal, we need signal, not noise, and that's why aspects of our election systems have to be addressed and fixed now, while we still have the opportunity, with the number of eligibility verification and enhanced security and transparency. We have so many opportunities to do something lasting in that regard, but it's definitely, for some of us, straight of mind, we can't understand it, it just seems so absurd.

I don't know what you think about that, Ken. Well, you know, here's the thing, Marcel, you have—a recent poll was just taken amongst the Democrats. 54% of the Democrats say that they are ashamed of being an American. 54% that they feel that they are at war, that they are at war with America, with their country. Now, here's a country, the greatest country, they've been grown up, they lived in this country, it's, again, they've been spoiled. You have these young people, it's just unbelievable, that don't appreciate, you know, it was this pet bought their freedom, their freedom was bought and paid for by much better men, and yet 54% of them, they don't like this country, they feel that they're ashamed, you know, they'll always put other countries or whatever before us. And look at what they're doing there, they're going out and they want to fight for every kind of criminal, for rapists, for murderers, for all of these things. This is what they're standing up for.

I mean, this is, you talk about Antichrist, it's about as Antichrist, I think, as you can get today. Don't you think it goes back to just self-rebellion? I mean, that goes back to the beginning of time, fallen angels, this is rebelling, right? They have free will, but they've chosen to rebel, right?

What do you think of that? Well, you're right, because everything they rebel against is what God's Word of the Bible teaches. The very first command that God gave us was to be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth. So what do they want to do? They want to kill as many babies as possible. They want to depopulate the planet Earth, okay? I've said in their meetings, when they didn't know who I was, Planned Parenthood, the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, the ACLU, when all of them, they talked about the many different ways of depopulating the planet. They want to depopulate the planet from almost 8 billion down to half a billion.

And they talked about ways of doing that, especially Bill Gates. And so, these people, there's an antichrist, it's a satanic. In fact, here something else is happening in this country today that a lot of people don't know. Church attendance is again starting to grow. Church attendance is on the up.

And who do you think the main majority of these that are causing this church attendance to go up? It's young men. Young men. Young men. Young males.

Young males. And at the same time, what religion within the Democratic Party is gaining and becoming more and more of their religion of the Democrats? Is the Church of Satan. And the Church of Satan is growing within, you see there in Minnesota in tampon tens in the State House right there where they got the satanic, they got a big satanic plaque from the Church of Satan to honor tampon Tim. And then New Mexico, where you had the governor gave, virtually put the Church of Satan in charge of the Department of Health. And so, you know, these are the things, so we're, they couldn't be different, any farther apart today than those on the right and those on the left.

In fact, you know, it's an amazing thing. If you take a look at, remember when Obama, when they were running those commercials, the religious right, what they called the Matthew 25 coalition? They were making a mockery and they were playing off biblical illiteracy, the fact that the vast majority of people in this country are biblically illiterate. And when I heard that very first commercial, you know, Matthew chapter 25, it tells you those on the right will inherit the kingdom and those on the left, you know, will be bound and cast into the fire. In Ecclesiastes 10, too, it says those on the right will, a wise man will turn towards the right, the fool will turn towards the left. And you know, and on the cross, when the Lord Jesus was on the cross, the thief on the right inherited, Jesus said, you'll be with me this day in paradise, and the thief on the left didn't fare so well. And so here in that Matthew chapter 25 coalition, when I listened to this, I said, folks, I'm going to help, I'm going to explain to you what they're telling you. They're making a mockery out of your biblical illiteracy.

Those on the left, you know, are children of Satan, Satan's children, and they'll be bound and cast into the lake of fire. I hadn't done that, you know, but a few times when it was being picked up, other radio talk show hosts, other pastors were picking that up, and they pulled, within the first week, they pulled all those commercials because people had woke up to what they were doing. So that's where we're at. Now this is something that's happening here, too. Ken, this is the first time that we haven't, we opened the phone lines and we didn't get any calls. That happens for two reasons.

One, either you got a real boring program, or people, they don't want to call, they want to listen. And I think this is what is happening tonight. I have to say, Marcel, you really got your message out there tonight, and people wanted to hear every bit of it. What do you think, Ken?

Oh, I agree 100%. I think it's been a stimulating conversation this entire time, and I can't believe we're almost done already. It's just flown by.

Yeah, we are. I've been waiting a long time for you to stimulate, but listen, I'll tell you what, should we give Marcel an opportunity, because obviously... Oh, now they're calling in. Well, it's too late. It's too late.

Yeah, too late now. But Marcel, obviously you're a Christian man, your faith is in the Lord, so would you like to give an invitation tonight? An invitation? Excuse me? No, an invitation, that's where you tell people how to avoid that lake of fire, how to call upon the name of the Lord and get saved.

Well, yeah, of course. You know, we are living in a time, and you professed it well, I think, at the very beginning of our show. God always gives us a chance to fulfill our mission, our task, our purpose in life, and His grace is everlasting.

It's always with you. It's something that you don't have to be perfect. You talked about people like that tonight, Pastor, that they're not perfect, and never were, even in our Old Testament, Moses and his brother and others, but, you know, our job isn't to be perfect, our job is to have a relationship with Lord Jesus, to draw upon His love that is everlasting, and that's all He ever asked of us in this world, and to do His will, and not to glorify ourselves. Always find ways to glorify God. And so this audience comes to your show, I'm sure, every time, to learn about the way you interweave our Biblical teachings, and make sense of the world we're in today. The confusion, the illness, people are striving in their journey to find God, but I think your viewers have found the Lord, and I think what they do is, this helps them get a sense of where they need to go, and continue down this path, because our earthly journeys are just the beginning of our life, Lord. So it's just truly a blessing to be on this program, I know you've had 51 years of service to the people, and I learned quite a bit in the beginning, I was quiet during your first Bible study, because I had to recall a lot of those things, but I think just it was a journey tonight to sit down with you and go through that, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak on behalf of the work that I've been doing for election integrity in Ohio, and to give our people of Ohio hope that there are changes coming, that we will enact safeguards and give them the confidence they need, that the system will be honest, free, and fair, and I just ask that your audience who's faith-based pray for me, Marcel Sturbich, so that I'm going to faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of the Secretary of State, that if this is God's will that I become a Secretary of State, that I do that in the way that he seeks for me to do it, and as I did while I was in the military to serve this country, so I thank you both, Ken and Pastor Fler for this time. Well, you've definitely made an impression on me, and a number of people, ladies, you're popular with ladies out there, because a number of them have contacted me and said, you've got to get this Marcel Sturbich on your program, and so, you know, these are activists. We have an audience that are leaders in the Christian movement and the family and pro-family movement out there, and again, and that's from coast to coast out there, too, so it's an interesting thing. A lot of the things that we start to do here in Ohio are picked up over the radio, listened to.

Like, for example, the heartbeat bill, people actually came through from Arkansas, came through Ohio listening to Jan Porter and I talking about the heartbeat bill, and that was a congressman who went straight home and made their own heartbeat bill. But anyhow, again, yeah, listen, we've got to have you back on a regular basis. Give us updates, tell us how things are going, and I'll continue to give you, to announce May 21st.

Yeah, May 21st, Medina, thank you, yes, 7291 Stone Road, come out and support this, your citizen candidacy campaign for Secretary of State of Ohio, Marcel Sturbich, you can go and find me on X, at Marcel, M-A-R-C-E-L-L, last name, S-T-R-B-I-C-H, and I also have a website, Sturbich, S-T-R-B-I-C-H, for F-O-R, ohio.com, contribute, volunteer, put up signs, tell your friends, your family, and of course, if you would be so kind and bless us with a donation that would also help us support. Thank you so much, gentlemen, I think I'll be parting ways for tonight, but in the not too distant future, I hope I can come back on and we can have some more stimulating conversation. You have an open-up invitation, come on, and God bless, my friend, and you have a good one, and we will continue to announce this for you. Okay, thank you, thank you, and God bless you all. God bless. All righty, there you go, and folks, again, you know, we're coming down to the point to what's, what it will mean to every one of you out there listening, the time is coming, as we've always talked about this, where the only thing will matter, and this will happen, there's absolutely no chance it won't, the only thing will matter, and I know there's a lot of you out there driving in your cars and listening to this radio program and saying, I don't know, but what do you mean, well, the only thing will matter is you're standing with the Lord Jesus Christ, you're going to die just like scripture says, it's a point in all man wants to die, and I know you say, well, I don't know, you know, that doesn't give you a lot, absolutes means you're going to either go to heaven or hell, I want a third option, there is no third option, there are absolutes out there, folks, and it's God's call, it's God's call, so, if I were you, if you haven't done it yet, I'd go to the Gospel of John, John chapter 3, read it, okay, Romans chapter 10, I would do it, okay, because folks, you're going to die, and when that happens, you're going to go to heaven or hell, that's for sure, and believe me, you don't want to go to the ladder, and with that, we're at that time, I want to say thank you for being here tonight with us, thanks for your support over the years, and we're coming to that point where we say, good night, that's what he says, you heard him say, good night, we say, God bless you all, and then we do it, ready, before Trump did it, I did it, always, always, always, keep fighting the fight, fight, fight, fight, fight. Thanks for listening to the Voice of the Christian Resistance, What's Right, What's Left, hosted by Pastor Ernie Sanders. To learn more about our ministry, please visit us online at www.wrwl.org. Please tune in next time for another edition of What's Right, What's Left. The preceding program is sponsored by What's Right, What's Left Ministries, and is responsible for its content.