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Molly Mormon — Part 4

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June 13, 2019 4:52 am

Molly Mormon — Part 4

Viewpoint on Mormonism / Bill McKeever

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One member is examining the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a biblical perspective viewpoint when Mormonism is sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect.

And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism welcome to this edition of viewpoint on Mormonism on your host, Bill McKeever, founder director Mormonism research ministry with me today is Eric Johnson. My colleague at MRM we continue to look at a book, confessions of a Molly Mormon trading perfectionism for peace fear for faith judging for joy written by a Mormon woman named Elana K Shelley SHELLEY and it's an interesting read and and again if you have not cut our earlier shows on the subject. The reason why think it's important to read a book like this is because it gives you a lay person's perspective of their faith. Many times on this show.

You'll notice we want to go to what the leaders have said about Mormonism because the way it works in Mormonism what the leaders say is what the Mormon membership must do. I don't get the impression that Alana Shelley feels that same way, and this is I think the danger if you come across a woman from the Mormon church or even a man in the Mormon church who feels that they can reinterpret their Mormonism and try to make it either more palatable for them as individuals or perhaps even more palatable to the Christian that the Mormon may talk to and I would assure you ladies that if you have LDS friends I would not be surprised at all if you have heard some things from your Mormon acquaintance that maybe they got from a book like this. The point is Elana Shelley and I do feel for her in what she must've been going through before she wrote this book. I have utmost empathy for her, but I just don't think that she can be consistent by ignoring a lot of things that her own Scripture say and by a lot of things that her leaders have said in yesterday show I ended with a question because she talks about how her own Scripture affected her and how all of a sudden she just had a hold change of outlook regarding the same Scriptures that she was reading before that were causing her so much despair. She says on page 26. I was able to view them. Scripture is words of encouragement, rather than words of condemnation, the warnings became words of love rather than angry threats.

I realize that the Scripture were designed to help me avoid pain and suffering, and to show me how to joyfully receive the companionship of the spirit. I into the show yesterday by asking the question long.

How did she do this I mean the Scripture still read the same, but I think we need to understand what our Scriptures to the latter-day St. what is Scripture well temp Pres. Joseph Fielding Smith answers this question in his book, doctrines of salvation volume 1, page 186.

He says when one of the brethren stands before a congregation of the people today and the inspiration of the Lord is upon him. He speaks that which the Lord would have him speak. It is just as much Scripture as anything you will find written in any of these records and yet we call these the standard works of the church so Scripture in Mormonism not only includes the four standard works. The Bible which the Mormon church uses the King James version, but it also includes the book of Mormon, the doctrine and covenants and the Pearl of great price. Add to that. Also, what a Mormon leader may say, for instance.

In general conference that also become the words of the Lord or the words of Scripture to the Latter Day Saints a lot of what is Shelley I think is having problems with are things that are found in both of those categories you the written word.

The standard works or the verbal word Scripture given by Mormon leaders. Let's stick right now with the standard works unique standard works. The book of Mormon, the doctrine and covenants in the Pearl of great Price listen to what she says in this what I think is a strange story on page 23.

She says when I was young. Few people carry their Scriptures to church with them. Many families didn't even have a complete set of Scriptures in their homes. My dad kept his black leather Bible and triple combination safely out of reach on an upper shelf in our living room.

We weren't allowed to touch them unless he was sitting next to us on the couch though daddy's regard for the Scriptures was obvious to my young mind. They were mysterious and intimidating the language was strange and the delicate pages were filled with countless rules you had to follow if you wanted to get into the celestial kingdom.

I agree with you that this is kind of a strange story because what I get out of this is. She didn't have her own copy of the Scripture. So apparently it says many families and even have a complete set so I don't know how many years ago. This was 40 or 50 years ago and it doesn't seem like but most families would have. Today most families are going to be carrying each member of the family is going to carry their Scriptures a church, but that is a strange story when she talks about the language was strange in the delicate pages are filled with countless rules you had to follow if you wanted to get into the celestial kingdom. I think maybe that contributed to what she says was fear of the Scripture. So anyway, as I asked that question. Towards the end of yesterday show how did she come to the point in her life where the Scriptures were comforting to her rather than threatening to her because the Scripture still read the same and the way Mormon leaders are interpreting those Scriptures in their verbal sermons.

I would say probably very threatening. I mean II find many of the things that Mormon leaders of said in their sermons to be quite appalling and very threatening. If you're Latter Day Saints, really quick, let me just give you what is being said about what needs to be accomplished first Nephi, 37 I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments under the children of men save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commanded them. So, if God commands a latter-day St. to do a certain thing accomplish it.

Otherwise he wouldn't have given that commandment in the first place.

What that really does I think put the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the Latter Day Saints. So when they talk to you and you ask them well. Are you keeping all the commandments and they say well I'm trying will wouldn't the fault still be on them because according to first Nephi, 37 he's not going to give a Mormon, a commandment, they shouldn't keep. So if they say they're trying which means their failing, then obviously the responsibility is theirs. It's not God it's theirs.

They should be able to do this, but there are other verses in Mormon scripture that are equally troubling to me. Go to doctrine and covenants section 1, verses 31 and 32 for I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.

Nevertheless, he that repents and does the commandments of the Lord shall be forgiven. So you have to repent. Do the commandments of the Lord and then in that order. It says you will receive the forgiveness that you need. Obviously, the question is raised will how many commandments must I keep and how many sins, must I repent and we have said it time and time again on the show. A Mormon is going to tell you you need to repent of all your sins and you need to keep all the commandments that I don't think that Micheli think so.

But the point is, is that's what her leaders have taught, they have taught this specifically and I think D&C 131 that you just read is making it very clear that if you want forgiveness in a Mormon context, you better repent of all your sins. And of course the definition is you confess and forsake them. Not just one.

All of them, and you must keep the commandments.

If you hope to get that forgiveness of your sins is repeated over and over again. Doctrine and covenants section 42/78 and again every person who belonged to this church of Christ shall observe to keep all the commandments and covenants of the church and built the way that you understand what those covenants and commandments are the church leaders certainly are more than happy to tell you twice a year at Gen. conference. Here's all that you're supposed to do, how are you doing at that, here's what's troubling when I read a book like this and again I want to express my empathy for Alana, Shelley and the struggles that she was going through the problem of course is she does not have any authority whatsoever to override or to correct her leaders and certainly she doesn't have any authority to correct or Scriptures.

If this is what they are saying they meaning her leaders and her Scriptures, then it's not up to her to pick and choose which ones she likes in which one she does not like in the messages of the first presidency in volume 6, page 55.

It makes this statement. It says you are not whether high or low to change the doctrines of the church or to modify them as they are declared by and in the standard works of the church and by those whose authority it is to declare the mind and will of the Lord to the church. The Lord has declared that he is the same yesterday today and forever. In other words, this is not a postmodern church that you can just make your own interpretation up based on your own preferences your own presuppositions. I don't like this. I don't like that. I'm cut that out.

According to the leadership you're not allowed to do that, you're not allowed to change not only the standard works but those who speak for the church and authority to interpret with those standard works say I think if we were to say what we just said to Micheli, she would probably respond by symbol, wait a minute.

I'm not trying to change the doctrines of the church will maybe not on an official level you're not, but certainly I would say that in your own mind you're doing some kind of a change because those same verses that said one thing to you years ago don't mean the same thing to you now. Somewhere change was made. An alteration was made toward now you claim you get comfort from these verses. Whereas before they only caused you fear J. Reuben Clark was a member of the first presidency and this is found in a book called teachings of the living prophets. It came out in 1982, page 13, and I might mention this is a correlated manual.

It seen a revision since 1982, but this is what Latter Day Saints were being told back in the 1980s when anyone except the president of the church undertakes to proclaim that any Scripture of the church has been modified. Change are abrogated.

We may know he is not quote moved upon by the Holy Ghost." Unless he is acting under the direct authority and direction of the president, so if that's the case, I can only wonder if a general authority was to read pages 23, 24 and 25 in her book with a general authority agree with her conclusions.

I would assume they wouldn't because any general authority who has spoken enough times in general conference is probably contradicted what she says. On these pages. Numerous occasions is it safe for any Latter Day Saints to follow her instructions in this book if they conflict with what the leadership and said I would say no, it wouldn't be a way that is safe while I again can sympathize with the struggles that Alana K.

Shelley went through in writing those pages. I don't think she's being consistent in how she rectified the problem and that of course is something that every Latter Day Saints needs to consider thank you for listening you would like more information when guarding this research ministry. We encourage you to visit our website at www.mrm.org you can request our free newsletter research. We hope you'll join us again as we look at another viewpoint is as with most Christian organizations is a research ministry depends on the generous financial support of friends like you.

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