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Mormonism and the Family Part 4

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July 21, 2021 9:50 pm

Mormonism and the Family Part 4

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July 21, 2021 9:50 pm

This week Bill and Eric take a look at the role of families and the temple in the LDS Church.


Give your own words a collection of Mormon quotations compiled by women as research ministries Bill McKeever is a valuable resource when wanting to know what Mormon leaders are set on a given topic and pick up your copy you Utah lighthouse bookstore or .1 is a program that examines the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a biblical perspective viewpoint on Mormonism sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect. And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism. What does your worthiness graph look like. Welcome to this edition of viewpoint on Mormonism. I'm your host, Bill McKeever, founder and director Mormonism research ministry and with me today is Eric Johnson my colleague MRM this week we've been talking about the importance of families in relationship to the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and naturally because most Mormons want to be with their families after they die they are inclined to do temple work on behalf of deceased ancestors in the hope that they will receive the restored gospel in the spirit world by spirit missionaries, but there are conditions in order for this to all work out, and we been looking at a speech that was given by second counselor in the first presidency. A man by the name of Henry B. Eyring, he gave a talk in the April, 20, 21 general conference. It was titled I love to see the temple.

This speech can be found in the May 2021 issue of the Leah holder magazine, and where we've been really placing a lot of emphasis is on a pull quote that is below the title of his talk in the pool quote on page 28 and it's taken from a statement that is found on page 30. He says it is in the temple that we can receive the assurance of loving family connections that will continue after death and last for eternity. We definitely criticize that statement because in order for there to be any assurance of being with your loved ones in the next life you as an individual member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints must be worthy enough and the person for whom you were doing work in the temple must also embrace or accept the work that you are doing so based on those two conditions.

How can a member of the LDS church really have any assurance of being with their loved ones in the next life, the assurance seems to go right out the window because it's based on individual performance. Either you as a member or your personal performance or the acceptance or rejection of the person on whom you're doing these temple ordinances now after he makes this statement goes on to tell the story of an individual he encountered while Henry B. Eyring was a bishop.

Years ago while I was serving as a bishop, a handsome young man resisted my invitation to become worthy to live with God and families forever in a belligerent way. He told me of the good times he had with his friends. I let them talk. Then he told me about a moment during one of his parties. In the midst of the raucous noise when he suddenly realized that he felt lonely. I asked him what happened. He said that he had remembered a time as a little boy sitting on his mother's lap with her arms around him for that moment while he told that story. He teared up. I said to him what I know is true. Quote the only way you can have the feeling of that family embrace forever is to become worthy yourself and help others to receive the ceiling ordinances of the temple." Let me stop you there. Eric is here is that word worthy again and at the beginning of the show.

I asked the question, what does your worthiness graph look like this is what I meant by that.

This could probably be a good question to ask our LDS acquaintances whenever were talking about the subject of having assurance in order to get into the celestial kingdom.

Or, in this context the assurance of being able to do something on behalf of our dead ancestors.

When Iris is the only way you can have the feeling of that family embrace forever is to become worthy your self and help others to receive the ceiling ordinances of the temple.

First and foremost notice he's talking about the embrace of another human being is that really what were looking forward to in the next life. How many times have we said that if your eternal bliss is determined by the actions of another human being, you're probably going to be disappointed. The fact that he brings up this family embrace I find problematic because where is Jesus. In the scenario where do we hear anything about Jesus's approval or being with Jesus for eternity. Now it's all about being with other human beings getting back to the worthiness graph.

Ask your latter-day St. Fred if there was a graph that you could personally plot your worthiness, what would it look like if you, for instance, invest in the stock market for your retirement, your graph probably looks like the peaks of the Himalayas going up and going down.

Going up and going down but what should an individual Latter Day Saints worthiness graph look like if they are in fact quote unquote worthy that you would think that this graph would first of all, have a line at the very top as high as it could be on the graph and that line going straight across the rest of the sheet of paper, but what an individual. Mormons say that I can't imagine any latter-day St. telling me to my face. Well, if this was my worthiness graph I would have a line at the very top of the paper going straight across consistently showing that I am always worthy as I should be in order to receive the benefits that I am seeking. Let's be honest most Latter Day Saints are honest people and they would have to admit that there worthiness graph. If there really is such a thing would go up and down, up and down. We never have perfect days, so could we honestly say we would have a line that the very top of the graph that would be perfection. Nobody does that.

But yet what is required of Latter Day Saints Eyring goes on in this story to say this and he says and we know that our eternal happiness depends and are doing our best to offer the same lasting happiness to as many of our kindred as we can. We know that our eternal happiness depends on our doing our best to offer the same lasting happiness to his many of our kindred as we can.

Doing our best, Eric do Latter Day Saints have a propensity of always doing their best. No I mean that they try, but as Spencer W. Kimball said in his book the miracle of forgiveness. He said trying is not sufficient, nor is repentance complete when one merely tries to abandon sin to try is weak to do the best you can, is not strong, you must always do better than you can.

This is true in every walk of life. To be fair to the latter-day St. though as any human consistently do their best to professing Christians continually do their best. Of course not least we and we know thankfully that doing our best is not what is required. Why because we put our trust in the Savior, who did his best on our behalf. And because of that faith in what he did. We are made right in the eyes of God. I don't know if we can emphasize this enough. Eric if we have a latter-day St. Listening to this program to realize that there is no possible way, using the language that is being used by Henry B. Eyring or the language is used by other latter-day St. leaders such as Spencer Kimball that you just cited, it sounds like they have placed such a high bar as a condition for receiving the best there. God offers which in this context it sounds like the best. They are hoping for is to be with another human being throughout eternity. That doesn't really excite me as much as I would love to see my loved ones in heaven with me after we are all dead, that's not what I'm primarily looking forward to as much as I love my friends and relatives here on this earth. Eyring says on page 30 as they feel they are offering a person in the spirit world the chance to be cleansed of sin. There feeling will grow up helping the Savior in his sacred work of blessing a child of our heavenly father.

Mormonism teaches the idea that somehow we can become saviors on Mount Zion that we get to help Jesus and his sacred work is how he puts it, to help them to be able to receive salvation but bill in the entire article. I love to see the temple in the entire talk.

There's not one Scripture reference given to support the idea that families are forever, that we have the ability to do anything for anybody who's already passed away. The Bible teaches in Hebrews 927 and second Corinthians 62 that you can't do any other work outside of this life that were in mortality as the latter-day St. puts it, the Bible does not teach that families are forever. Jesus never talks about this.

The book of acts never talks about the subject. I want to just quickly cite from Matthew chapter 12 verses 46 or 50 and this is referring to Jesus's mother and brothers.

This is what it says. While Jesus was still talking to the crowd. His mother and brother stood outside wanting to speak to him. Someone told him your mother and brothers are standing outside wanting to speak to you. He replied to him, who is my mother and who are my brothers pointing to his disciples. He said, here are my mother and my brothers for whoever does the will of my father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother bill.

I don't know about you but I don't think Jesus thinks that his nuclear family is who he was going to spend the rest of his life with anybody who is a believer is doing the will of my father and you will be together in heaven but not in this nuclear family idea and certainly nothing that Paul or Peter or anybody talks about in book of acts is supporting the view that Mormonism teaches that supposedly, supposedly, Mormonism is a restoration of the gospel, but we have no clue anywhere that this was ever believed by the original disciples are Jesus himself, and this is why I constantly harp on this idea that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a restored church teaching a restored gospel. We don't see this pattern in the first century church. It's just not there. We don't see this pattern in the book of Mormon. You would think that if this is such an important doctrine that people can somehow do something in order to be with loved ones who have died before there would be some kind of mentioned in the New Testament or some kind of mention in the book of Mormon. We don't see that the neophytes if they existed at all, which I do not believe they did. Obviously were blind to this doctrine of being with their dead ancestors and the necessity of doing temple work on their behalf. First of all, who in the New World. If neophytes and Lamanites existed, would've even been qualified to administer in the temple when there were none that left for the New World who were sons of Aaron, if you're Latter Day Saints. This is your homework go open up your book of Mormon because Bill has just mentioned there's nothing in the book of Mormon. Either that teaches this, chapter 34 and start reading. Let's say in verse 32 eldest read 32 and I'll leave the rest for you.

This is what it says. For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God. Yay. Behold, the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. It seems like Henry B. Eyring is completely ignoring those passages you cited from the book of Mormon. Thank you for listening you would like more information we guarding his research ministry. We encourage you to visit our website you can request our free newsletter Mormonism research. We hope you join us again as we look at another viewpoint is

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