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Gospel Topics Chapter 11 Taysom Part 5

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July 1, 2021 9:41 pm

Gospel Topics Chapter 11 Taysom Part 5

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July 1, 2021 9:41 pm

This week Bill and Eric consider the chapter critiquing the Book of Abraham Gospel Topics essay in their ongoing chapter-by-chapter review.

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In their own words a collection of Mormon quotations has been a handy resource that details what women leaders and manuals have taught regarding the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints compiled by Mormonism research ministries Bill McKeever in their own words has thousands of topical entries and as a bonus. Each copy includes a searchable CD version of the book order in their own words directly from Mormonism research Once again, that's .1 Mormonism that examines the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a biblical perspective view .1 Mormonism is sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect.

And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism welcome to this edition of viewpoint on Mormonism on your host, Bill McKeever, founder and director Mormonism research ministry with me today is Eric Johnson my colleague MRM today we wrap up our look at chapter 11 in the book the gospel topics series a scholarly engagement. This chapter had to do with the gospel topics essay that dealt with the controversies surrounding the book of Abraham which is still to this day a part of Mormon scripture.

This chapter was written by Stephen C.

Tate, some today as we close this segment. I want to go back to the mention of in the Egyptologist by the name of Robert K. Written or had mentioned in a previous show that written or gets mentioned at the beginning of this chapter, but he also gets another mentioned at the end of this chapter and I think Robert Brickner's contribution to this whole discussion is very important because he says some things that I think the average latter-day St. needs to listen to and this is why we've talked about another Egyptologist who was a Latter Day Saints man by the name of John G. Will Robert written her was John D's Prof. and that becomes very important. So when you have Latter Day Saints looking up to John GI would personally place more emphasis on what Robert K.

Richter might have to say about this subject rather than John G. John G has a faith to defend Robert written or doesn't. I look at him is trying to be as objective as possible in this discussion and I don't see that when it comes to John G.

Here's what we find at the bottom of page 300, referring to Robert written or never before has the book of Abraham attracted a critic who is so well educated, highly accomplished and confrontational in almost equal measure.

During his time as a professor at Yale written or had a role in the education of John D. One of the foremost apologist for the LDS church on the book of Abraham. For reasons that remain unclear, but which have been speculated about endlessly on Internet message boards G and written or had a falling out that apparently devolved into an ongoing personal animus. He continues written or publicly denigrated ghee and print writing that quote. Unlike all of my other Egyptologist students. He never chose to share drafts of his publications with me to elicit scholarly criticism." In Maggie's articles on the book of Abraham do not quote reflect the standards of Egypt to logical proof that I required." As a professor. Whatever the reason, written or who teaches at the Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago felt obliged to involve himself in the book of Abraham controversy after quote several years of often anguished request," apparently by individuals undergoing some sort of faith crisis and looking for answers about the book of Abraham written or obliged by publishing a translation of the Joseph Smith papyrus documents in which he deals by his own admission, often bluntly, with quote published criticism by Mormon apologist, often by two purgative" in the prestigious Journal of near Eastern studies, written or described the book of Abraham as a pastiche of Genesis." Written or appears to object to what he sees as an attempt to throw a scholarly cloak over outlandish nonsense. His term, particularly when it comes from one of his own former students that that's a pretty serious indictment and the reason why I felt it was important to look at.

That is because many Latter Day Saints looked to John ghee as the final authority when it comes to the book of Abraham written or certainly had a lot of problems with some of the beliefs that ghee holds regarding the book of Abraham.

I think that needs to be taken into consideration that you could easily say the bill.

It doesn't matter anymore because now the church has come out with this idea that he really wasn't translating from the Egyptian in the English anyway. It was just a spiritual translation were revelatory translation.

So who really cares what Brickner has to say about it.

Will I think it goes back again to what Jason brings out in this chapter, and that is the essay is meant to curry favor with the member of the LDS church in the hope of keeping them member in the LDS church so am I wrong in assuming that facts as we understand them really don't matter in this case, just pray about it. Did a good feeling about it being loyal to the church and just stay in the boat as Jeffrey R. Holland would instruct as an individual have a real problem with that. I just don't see that as being a viable option if you're a seeker after truth, I would think that you would agree with what you're saying. Bill because the facts come out and the church has had much lower retention rates as well as conversion rates people are leaving in droves.

One LDS historian even admitted that and these gospel topics. Essays were meant to try to counteract all that's available on the Internet.

People are leaving for a variety of reasons.

Maybe secularism could be said to be a reason why people leave and that's certainly true as well, but we have found that people are bothered by essays such as this one on the book of Abraham and the other issues we've been talking about the past weeks. If you can be a seeker after truth, I don't know if you can easily be able to buy the essay that this church is put together to try to counteract all of its criticism.

When I started studying this years and years ago. I think one of the things that I learned about the book of Abraham which just screamed out to me fraud had to do with Joseph Smith's translation of facsimile one of facsimile one is still in the book of Abraham. However, facsimile one doesn't look quite the way a lot of Egyptian papyrus displayed the figures in facsimile one. There's a reason for that. The papyrus, the Joseph Smith had was torn.

So a section of that facsimile was not in Smith's possession that you might have Mormon say well yeah but we don't have all of the papyrus. I think we have enough to show that Joseph Smith was trying to pull a con job in facsimile one, at least to me, tends to prove that the section that is missing from facsimile one and I know it's difficult when doing this on the radio because you can't see what I'm talking about, but facsimile one as it is in the book of Abraham shows what looks to be a dark skinned person on the left-hand side holding what looks like a long knife work.

You could even say a feather over a person who was lying down on a couch of some sort that has a lion head at one end and a tail at the other Smith gives his interpretation that this individual standing to the left is the idolatrous priest of Elkin attempting to offer up Abraham as a sacrifice. Also, Mormon apologist argue will there's a Mesopotamian deity by that name.

See that shows there's a comparison. This isn't talking about some Mesopotamian deity.

This is actually supposed to be Anubis the head of this body wasn't included in the papyrus that Joseph Smith had so he lives and he puts a looks like a human head were jackals head is supposed to be. If the Egyptian God Anubis and the portion that's missing is the torso of the individual that is on the lion headed couch that I described earlier.

What's missing is the midsection where if you have the original according to how it's been interpreted by qualified Egyptologist.

It says Isis, meanwhile, has taken the form of a falcon and hovers over the growing of Osiris, who holds his Federalists.

Hence, this is known as and if the phallic drawling Smith didn't have that part really think you wonder what he would've said that portion of the papyrus to me that shows Smith is trying to perpetrate an outright fraud. If somebody wants to see that because it's hard maybe to understand everything you just had pal but they can go to the Internet and they can just type in facsimile one book of Abraham, and in the images. There are lots of places where you can see that but I think one of the best resources that we know of to be able to help you with this is a book that was written back in 1992.

It's called by his own hand upon papyrus a new look at the Joseph Smith papyrus this is written by Charles M. Larson he's a Christian believer. This has stood the test of time. It was printed well over two decades ago three decades ago. But probably the most important part of this book is its pull out. It has a three-page pullout that has on one color itself will call color and is beautifully done and is called the book of Abraham papyrus scroll on the one side, it shows you what Joseph Smith had on the other. It shows you the untranslated book of Genesis scroll. What's valuable about this book is the number of illustrations that he includes their unclear on page 65 showing this facsimile one and what Anubis look like what it really should have been.

But page 64. On the other side includes what Joseph Smith thought it should have been, but it has nothing to do with the common funeral pyre. He that facsimile one really was you mentioned. Also, the earlier broadcast about a film that deals with the book of Abraham. We should mention, though, that by his own hand upon papyrus is on the Internet.

You can read the entire book on the How would a person be able to find that you can just go to and just type in by his own hand upon papyrus and you can read the book there. I think better is buying the book you can get it on Amazon or use book places as well. The book is worth the price just for the four-color pullout as well as the many illustrations that he includes throughout his remember correctly it was Stephen Thompson Egyptologist actually recommended this book by Charles M. Larson, yes, and so on that recommendation alone. I would think you might want to look into it.

It's very easy-to-read. It has a lot of information that has to do with this subject. And I'm sure that even if a thoughtful Latter Day Saints was to take the time and go through this book by his own hand upon papyrus, they would agree that there's something very wrong in the LDS church, which of course makes it necessary for them to switch gears and how they're defending the book of Abraham today. The bottom line folks is even though Latter Day Saints for many decades were told that the book of Abraham was an actual translation into English from the Egyptian text now. The churches had to switch gears and make it appear that that wasn't really true. It was more of an inspirational or a revelatory translation of the Egyptian text. Thank you for listening. If you would like more information regarding his research ministry.

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