Share This Episode
Viewpoint on Mormonism Bill McKeever  Logo

Splinter Groups: Church of Christ Elijah Message Part 2

Viewpoint on Mormonism / Bill McKeever
The Truth Network Radio
September 18, 2020 2:24 pm

Splinter Groups: Church of Christ Elijah Message Part 2

Viewpoint on Mormonism / Bill McKeever

On-Demand Podcasts NEW!

This broadcaster has 662 podcast archives available on-demand.

Broadcaster's Links

Keep up-to-date with this broadcaster on social media and their website.


September 18, 2020 2:24 pm

This week we are taking a closer look at the Church of Christ Elijah Message, a splinter group from the “Restoration.” If you would like to find out more about the group, check out our article on this organization by going to https://www.mrm.org/church-of-christ-elijah

YOU MIGHT ALSO LIKE

Is 101 for teams is a valuable resource for anyone wanting a simplified view of the Mormon religion from a Christian perspective. Mormonism 101 for teens is available at the Utah lighthouse bookstore in Salt Lake City or MRM.org .1 examines the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints from a biblical perspective viewpoint on Mormonism is sponsored by Mormonism research ministry since 1979 Mormonism research ministry has been dedicated to equipping the body of Christ with answers regarding the Christian faith in a manner that expresses gentleness and respect. And now, your host for today's viewpoint on Mormonism welcome to this additional viewpoint on Mormonism. I'm your host, Bill McKeever, founder and director Mormonism research ministry and with me today is Eric Johnson. My colleague at MRM yesterday.

We began looking at a smaller group of what is known, the as the restoration movement. It's called the Church of Christ with the Elijah message and the reason why were looking at some of the smaller groups that claim that Joseph Smith is the head of their church and some of them even claim to be the only true church despite the fact that other groups within the restoration movement hold to that same position. This one certainly does feel it is the only true church on earth and so were looking at a bit of the background and history of it. How did it get started and such and yesterday we mentioned a man by the name of Otto Fetty and he's really the one who's responsible for organizing this group. He was born on November 20, 1871 and he died on January 30, 1933, as we mentioned yesterday, Eric. They use mainly the King James version of the Bible as well as what they called a record of the neophytes. The record of the neophytes folks is just another title for the book of Mormon. They claim to use in 1836 edition. Even though the book itself claims it's from the 1830 addition, they are very much into hearing the voice not so much of God the father or even Jesus Christ. But the voice of John the Baptist yeah and and this is a religion that very clearly teaches that there is direct communication from God to the leaders today they've had 129 messages that took place from the time of fatting until 1994 and then they started again in 2018 but I want to talk about the main places of this faith is found mainly in Africa, Europe, United States, India and the Philippines and we talked yesterday that I thought about 12,500 will be an estimated number but I one of the apostles that I talked to said that know they have more than that, but it's hard to find out what those numbers are and they even admit that they have fewer than 2000 people in the United States, which is where this religion started so that's pretty unique to have so few in the United States and so many supposedly in other lands. Now normally they like the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints of 12 apostles, but as of this recording. There are only 10 apostles in this church and I asked one of the apostles Terry laws why they only have 10 when they're supposed to have 12 and is is will a couple guys died. We just haven't got around to doing those spot so they can have as many as 12, but they're not as paranoid as the LDS church they're going to at the next general conference do their best to fill that spot back again because 12 is the number. Also, just so we understand this is one of the three religions were talking about.

That's based in Independence, Missouri.

The church world headquarters they call it our base there, and someday they would like to have the temple lot to be able to build the temple and they believe they will get to build that temple either just before Jesus returns or just after.

And the millennium starts that they will have a chance to build a temple that won't be anything like LDS temples because no work for the dead will be done and I'm not even quite sure what they want to do inside the temple, but they hold firmly that that temple will be there someday in your study of this group did you find anything that told you how they felt they were going to get that property from the group that owns it. Right now the temple lot group because the temple lot group was pretty tenacious even with the court in order to fight over that lot because they do believe that is the lot that Joseph Smith dedicated for the building of this temple. I just find it difficult that this group is going to be able to secure the land to build the temple that they want to build. I don't really think they're that concerned about it because in fact what I read, it seems like they are more thinking that they'll get that after Jesus returns. They do believe we been in the tribulation since 1990 or so. So he is not a seven year tribulation, but we are in the midst of the tribulation, but we have a millennium that's going to happen when Jesus returns, and I think they're completely satisfied. Waiting until Jesus returns because how are the temple lot leaders not going to allow Jesus to take over the temple when he says need this land is so that we can build the temple that was promised by Joseph Smith in 1831 and I guess if that was to happen the way they predict that would prove that they are the only true church in the temple lot group cannot possibly be as they believe now they do like to use Bible verses and so that's something. If you ever get to talk to somebody in this group that's a positive thing. They really do believe in the King James version. They hardly ever quote the record of the neophytes nor do they quote from the messages that are direct revelations from John the Baptist to their leaders and I want to read the introductory page of the website and just give you an idea of some of the verses that use this is what they writes we are the Church of Christ with the Elijah message, and we proclaim the midnight cry spoken of in Matthew chapter 25 Matthew chapter 25 Bill is talking about the 10 versions verse six talks about this midnight cry that the virgins were supposed to be waiting patiently for the coming of Jesus and it goes on and says our church is been established of God to proclaim the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ. If you heard that before. Yes is very similar to what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints claims it also has the fullness of the gospel but yet when you compare what they think the gospel is to this group. Certainly, that fullness contains different messages. So there. They're here to proclaim the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ and to warn the world that the second coming of Christ is near at hand.

As we mentioned yesterday, this group is very eschatological minded.

They are looking forward to the coming of Jesus and establishment of the millennium. We are world church with local churches throughout the United States, Europe, Africa, India and the Philippines. We claim the same holy priesthood authority as the old Jerusalem church of the New Testament we proclaim to the world that the promise Elias has come as the Lord has promised according to Malachi 31 so insane that they claim the same holy priesthood authority as the old Jerusalem church of the New Testament is that the priesthood of believers because that's what the New Testament speaks of it does not speak of this notion such as the LDS church as that there was an Aaronic priesthood or Melchizedek priesthood that was functioning in the early church we don't see that in the New Testament, they do use a variety of other verses but one that I wanted to point out was Revelation 14 six. This is what it says and I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach on to them that dwell on earth and to every nation in kindred, and tongue and people. This is been a verse used by LDS leaders to support the coming of the angel Moron.

I can't tell you how many times I've had Revelation 14, six given to me as proof that there would be this Moron I would bring the full plates to Joseph Smith that he would be able to translate the book of Mormon. But what's interesting is this group doesn't think it was Moron I even though they hold of the record of the neophytes.

They think that this is supporting John the Baptist visits to one of three apostles who have lived since 1929.

So an interesting idea that there would be a messenger but they have a completely different idea than what the Mormons do before we look into the founder of this group was let's talk a little bit about what they believe regarding salvation in your chart that you have in your article Eric. You say that they believe in faith, repentance, baptism and the laying on of hands, along with obedience. Now, again, that sounds very similar to what we find in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. How do they define obedience.

How many Commandments mostly obey how often must they obey them and are they to hold strictly to this word, obedience, or is there some wiggle room as they understand. I had an hour long conversation with one of the church is 10 apostles Terry laws he's from Kansas and was a very cordial conversation on the phone.

I asked that question that you're asking right now.

I said okay these are the things I have to do, and he made it a point I had to be baptized by the even though I have been baptized in a Christian church.

He says we have the true baptism so they would hold to the same idea is the old. He is absolutely they alone have the authority to baptize and when you believe that baptism is a salvific act, then naturally, that becomes very important.

You better be baptized by the right guys and then the obedience part is, he told me Terry laws said you need to do the very best you can. I said well what if the very very best I can do is not good enough for what God's standards are. He says God knows your heart. And as long as you're sincere. You just need to do the very best and that's going to get you through to be able to get to. They do believe in a traditional heaven and a traditional how they do not believe in a three kingdoms of glory at all. They reject that. That's what Mormons believe, but the idea that the obedience is something you have to figure out what I find most interesting though is if you don't know about this church and you're a good person. You also get to go to heaven.

But if you know about this church and you reject what it has to say about truth and you don't join this church, then you are culpable and I even asked him I said before, I had a chance to know about your church. I've done the research.

Now I didn't know anything and now I know a lot MI subject to possibly going to hell and he said you do have a possibility. Now that you know about us, that's very similar to the LDS church will lease I should say more specifically to something that Joseph Smith taught that if you were to die, not having any knowledge of the restored gospel and when it's preached to you in the spirit world and you embraced it there, you have an opportunity to go to the celestial kingdom.

However, if you knew about the restored gospel during your mortality and you rejected it you didn't believe it, or leave and fought against it, then the best you could ever hope to receive would be the second level of glory known as the terrestrial kingdom only if you embraced it in the spirit world. We would look at that as a kind of second chance for salvation.

Although, as we talked about many times on this program. It's not really true salvation according to Mormonism. True salvation is being exalted in the celestial kingdom. The top level of Mormon heaven.

The best you could hope for. If you embrace Mormonism after you die would be the terrestrial kingdom you would not become a God, he would not be with your family throughout eternity.

You mention the phrase more traditional heaven.

They don't look at heaven as being a place where you are a family unit as the LDS people believe they don't believe that you were going to become of God over your own world either. So their view of heaven would be very different than the LDS church headquartered in Salt Lake City.

They do not accept anything that Joseph Smith said after 1836, so the view of the temple life in the three kingdoms of glory, etc. that they're not going to believe in that in tomorrow's show are going to continue looking more deeply into the church of Christ with the Elijah message. Thank you for listening you would like more information regarding this research ministry. We encourage you to visit our website www.mrm.org you can request a free newsletter Mormonism research. We hope you join us again as we look at another viewpoint is sharing your faith with the latter-day St. It helps to know what their church is taught in several basic topics.

For this reason, this research ministry has provided its crash course Mormonism crash course, Mormonism includes concise articles highlighting what LDS leaders and church manuals have taught on issues that will probably come up in a typical conversation. You can find these informative articles and crash course Mormonism.com that's crash course Mormonism.com


Get The Truth Mobile App and Listen to your Favorite Station Anytime