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We Will Not Be Silenced

Understanding The Times / Jan Markell
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February 27, 2021 7:00 am

We Will Not Be Silenced

Understanding The Times / Jan Markell

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February 27, 2021 7:00 am

Jan’s first guest is Dr. Erwin Lutzer. How will we respond to the soaring secularism and anti-Christianity hate that is rising? Then YouTuber Chad Thomas reminds us that this ship is sinking and we must be about our Father’s business. God will call His Church home any day. Find Lutzer’s book in our online store.

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Can we cancel cancel culture. That's why if you are a believer, I think the only way that the last of the tensile culture wins is if we agree to be silent welcome to understanding the time to review Jim Markel radio for the Romans brought by all of the treatment streams we feature to just in part one, welcome a ministry friend, Dr. Erwin looser put cancel culture is trying to cancel every believer.

How can we fight back. Sure it's a sign of the times and prophesied in Scripture that many of us are going to take it anymore. Here is today's program were really saying here lasted many people on the left feel very emboldened right now and they are trying to shut down conservative voices all across the country and from all different backups conservative voices and politics conservative voices and media conservative voices in the faith community and it's really the liberal woke Bob is out there. I tell you. Actually, I'm honored to be a target because I think that means that I'm doing something right in standing up for things that we believe it and are not to be intimidated and welcome to the program were going to talk about that for the first segment here of my programming. I'm so honored to have a special guesstimate to get to in just a moment because were carrying Dr. Luther's newest book, we will not be silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity and folks, if you haven't noticed today. Government must be God. Leftism is the theology of the day and if you don't embrace that. My goodness you're deplorable your homophobia or terrorist, a trader, a fanatic, a supremacist, a racist on and on and on. If you don't embrace that agenda as a matter of fact you might even be destined for a reeducation camp.

If you don't tell the line I'm going to be talking to Dr. Luther because we carry this wonderful new book organ to be hitting on some of the issues it affects you and me on a daily basis and you may recall that about five weeks ago we talked about a related topic here, and I referred to the 28 page document put out by the secular Democrats of America calling for just that a new secular America so we'll talk about that and much more. Dr. would looser welcome to the program. I'm so glad to be with you today John.

Thank God for your ministry, and Dr. Luther was at a couple of my conferences 2012 2013 you are, pastor emeritus, Moody Church Chicago Dr. looser.

That's right. It's been my privilege to be the pastor here for 36 years, and I transitioned about five years ago and I have to say John that our media ministry is exploding really and I'm so glad that I can have the opportunity to do writing and as you mentioned, speak directly to the issues today in this booklet were going to be discussing. Yes, I know you wrote this book 8 months to a year ago, and probably even thought about it before that you are prophetic because you're talking about the cancel culture which has only fully blossomed here in the last 67 months. How did you perceive 2021 when you're writing back in 2019 and 2020.

I think it is God's wisdom of God's providence that he enabled me to talk about things that were in seed form last year and now of course they had become full-blown Apple.

I have a chapter on the whole idea of propaganda and I talk about collective demonization will that was before all of the platforming and all the things that we have seen happen just since the first of the year, but I anticipated that happening. I looked at the monuments that were being destroyed.

I looked at our history is being vilified and God gave me wisdom so that I might be able to understand the underlying philosophy that all of these developments really have.

I'm reading a paragraph from your book on page 19.

And you say this, the secular left does not believe that America can be six.

They say it must be destroyed. You say on the rubble of America's Judeo-Christian passed a new America will emerge which they say will be free of poverty, racism and white supremacy. You say the secular left goal is a future in which everyone will be equal on their terms, and the disparities of the past will be read about only in the history books and then you say those who resist this utopian vision are to be vilified, bullied and shamed until they admit to their mistakes of the past and embrace the secular left's great hope for the future and out Dr. Luther, you and I know that if in fact America were to embrace this agenda. This godless agenda. We don't have a very great future.

We only have destruction ahead.

Am I right in assuming that some of these people have been given over to a Romans one mentality of depravity absolutely Romans chapter 1 talks about people who suppress the truth.

Going back to the quote. That's actually why I wrote my book, I realized that the radical left does not believe that America can be fixed.

It has to be destroyed.

Built upon a secular Marxist foundation. I just want to comment on that for a moment Mark saw the nuclear family as a unit of oppression because for him.

Everything had to do with the oppressed and the oppressors. He saw that Mandel push their wives, parents oppressed their children.

God was the ultimate overpressure, so he saw that the family that could be destroyed now is most interesting that black lives matter. I point out in the booklet. Absolutely black lives matter, every black life matters.

But isn't it interesting that on their website they say that they believe in the dissolution of the nuclear family. They say that they are committed Marxist. Once you understand that you can go to the destruction of our history right because all Marxist regimes want to destroy the past and build upon a brand-new foundation. It has to do with diversity studies that I hope we get into, which are thoroughly Marxist, and the whole issue of freedom of speech. So once you understand that. See how these ideas talk largely in our universities that filter down to the culture and that's where we are today. First I want to make a comment here and I teased within a few minutes ago and that is this organization. I talked about it 4 to 6 weeks ago on here secular Democrats of America. Here's what they want.

Dr. would looser he is my guest here, but the segment of my programming secular Democrats of America. This is a legit organization encouraging the purging of social conservatives from all levels of government. Christians are deemed enemies of the state. They have a 28 page documents online under secular Democrats of America. The document encourages that Christians be ostracized from society. A few extremists in this organization encourage sending Christians to reeducation camps. Now this is a legit organization active in Washington and their sincere and obviously there sincerely wrong and there.

Sincerely, hateful. Do you think that reeducation camps are ahead, possibly, but you know, rather than putting us in camps what they might be doing is what Marxists always want to is to capture all of the influencers they want to capture the media they already have a good part of that they want to capture education. That's why, in the book, we will not be silenced but were talking about. I have a chapter on the sexualization of children. They believe that if they can capture the media and law, by the way that 28 page document has a lot to do with lawns and the secularization of the church actually is what it sold well what they want to do is to capture it that way. So there is brainwashing that takes place, but much of it is trying to soften us up so that we don't see what's happening. Remember, the purpose of propaganda is to so change people's perception of reality, so that even when confronted with a mountain of evidence they will not change their minds. You try to do the propaganda you try to do all of these things and that also is part of the education program I opened with a couple of clips of Sen. Josh colleagues from Missouri as an author, urban looser you can appreciate that his book was tossed out by a believe Simon & Schuster I think) came along and picked it up because the standing firm for what he believes faith family. All of the things that you and I and your book talks about. I want to play just one minute clip here to further embellish what Sen. Holly had to say because series in an interview on Focus on the Family.

He says if I stand up for what I believe and I'm going to be fired and blacklisted and put out of business. Frankly, he sees all of those things is a badge of honor to look at what happens in the strike, who was the president of Mozilla he had given money to campaign that oppose same-sex marriage many years ago.

He was drummed out of that role as president of the company. He was the founder of the company.

There's many other examples we can talk about but there's an insidious, this occurring right now, people's livelihood is at stake as well. Absolutely I can such a mild state of Missouri.

I know small business owners who have distal mom-and-pop businesses who have maybe donated to conservative causes donated to faith-based causes donated to Republican candidates and their now on boycott list.

The left comes after them and says to people go demonstrate in front of their offices boycott their products shut them out again.

This is crazy stuff and were seeing.

I think for the first time an alliance between the big corporations the biggest corporations in this country. The monopoly corporations and awoke left and this is something we've not really seen before, such as the power of government. This be brought to bear.

It's the power of these giant corporations in tandem and that's scary because people really do say wow am I going to be able to keep my business I give up to my job. What if I express my views based on the Bible based on the teaching my church was out.

I can be fired and the blacklisted not able to get another job in this industry. This is happening all over and all of these different industries and this is why those of us who have a voice have to be willing to stand up and take the incoming criticism of fire and say we're gonna take a stand here on behalf of the people we represent, and on behalf of the things we believe enforcement air inlets are building here and what Sen. Holly just said I'm hearing from people whose bank accounts are being closed by banks because they are conservative or their faith-based. That's how bad it's getting in the chapter where I talk about propaganda I talk about collective demonization collective demonization was actually perfected in Russia and it worked this way.

Once the elites took a person and said he was persona non grata in other words, they were willing to delete him so to speak.

Everyone in Russia had to agree. Even people who didn't know the person wrote letters condemning him because everyone had to march in step totalitarianism always has to work together in concert in unity. Now let's go to Nazi Germany. As you know Jan I wrote a book entitled Hitler's cross in Nazi Germany. There were churches that put a Nazi flag on their door because what they were saying is when you come for Christians don't come for us because we are on your side. It is a virtue, signaling today where people say am I walking up so that I can be looked at as virtuous. How low can I be well, the answer is, the more people you canceled the more people you work together in concert with to destroy that proves you're welcome this down the midst of all of this we have of course the racial issue and I point out this is so critical for your listeners when you go to university today and you study these diversity studies were never the intention is not to bring the racers together. The intention is to keep them in perpetual conflict with one another until Leo pressed overcome legal pressures. That's what's happening and if you belong to the wrong group pure white you have certain other attributes you believe in the Fourth of July you stand for the national anthem. You are a white supremacist, so that's where we're going in our culture. Josh Holly was absolutely right. If everybody submits that what is left were so thankful for people like him and others who say we will speak the truth and take the consequences. Spending time with Dr. urban looser. We carry his book, we will not be silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity. You can find it in my online on the previews I work defined in my various newsletters. If you want to sign up for those you can call my office. The book is we will not be silenced.

I have read it from cover to cover folks I can't always do that. But once you start his book is so relevant. His voice is prophetic eroded some time ago at least a year ago and here it is talking about the culture as we see it unfolding, which is not a very pretty picture. Dr. looser. Let me just ask you couple questions here you say quote new here, to our shame, we are afraid of the secular left.

This is not a moment for timid souls. Let me comment on that because I'm not sure the average person knows how to fight back and not be silent after a while people become weary of watching evil win, and the mindset becomes almost things are futile and then we have a huge system that is against us.

It's called the swamp. As you say were in a culture where the ones who shout the loudest when so my point is that the agenda we're being asked by the swamp. The culture is extremely dark. Sam will not cave to it. But how do we fight against legitimate injustices when were asked about would need to a larger destructive agenda. I am not sure my audience knows how to fight back.

I just don't know that they do and I think by default there kind of caving. There isn't just one answer to your toiler. People are always asking what can I do the housewife who stays home and especially the ones who homeschool their children and it seems as if that seems to be the best for them. The answer to that question is to be faithful at home for the businessman.

It means that I will not write a letter of apology serves. I was born white. I will not buy into the whole culture of the cultural neutrality. I will not submit to those who say that anybody can choose the pronoun of their problems and you can be one thing at work and another thing at home. I will not do that and it did cost me my job cost me my job but I will not submit that's very important.

And if you're a politician you can be like Josh Holly Bly knows a committed Christian is his. You can be like him and you can go out and you can speak and you can take the heat of the vilification by the way, in my book.

As you know Janssen shoe breaded and I thank you for reading it. I have an entire chapter entitled, vilified, vilified, vilify what I talk about our culture today where everybody is outraged everybody is vilifying. I'm afraid that the church is being shamed into silence.

I make the statement that Christian students in the University today may not be so much talked out of their faith, but they will be marked out of the yes so they want to remain silent. What we need to do is to stand and take the heat and by the way I wrote that book, not so much to take the culture back but to reclaim the church because the church is submitting to the culture. What we need to do is to stand against that, you know, we don't even need to win. We just need to ask what does faithfulness look like martyrs guide to the faith don't win in this life, but they win and the lights to come then let me ask you, how far do you think our churches will be pushed, I would fully expect the insistence here guy would say in the coming months that pastors must be promoting and even engaging in same-sex marriage. I think 501(c)(3)'s will be taken away canceled. In other words, tell me how far you think the churches are going to be pushed and I'm not talking five years from now let's say five weeks and five months from now. There are many churches that have already totally submitted as rain culture. They have become cultural clubs. They no longer tell you that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone and that we must repent of our sins to be to say that message has gone down the river long ago. In the book I talk about. However, in evangelical churches with social justice replaces the gospel yes and I distinguish biblical justice which we should all be interested in because the Bible has a lot to say about that versus social justice, social justice is based on radical sectionalism environmentalism.

All of these other isms. The point to be made is social justice is intended to keep the races in perpetual conflict. Saul Wolinsky made this clear. And he said that the issue is never the issue.

George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis. I'm sure that many of the demonstrations at first had to do with race but very soon and had nothing to do with race. It had everything to do with revolution and if we don't understand that we will underestimate the power of the cultural streams that we are standing against it is so critical that we ask ourselves how do we respond and for each person. It's going to cost something to live the Christian life. What Christians need to know Jan is that Jesus predicted that this day would come.

The clay dinners are we going to buckle or are we going to stand. You're absolutely right.

Everything that's happening was predicted.

It seems to be a bit on overdrive for a bit like a tachometer it's revving up more literally every day. Again, I'm referring here in our discussion, it is accurate when Luther's newest book, we will not be silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity find it in my online store olive find it in my various newsletters. Dr. looser than how would you advise a let's limit this to an evangelical pastor listening today who wants to be among the remnant and wants to stand for truth and wants to stand for righteousness and wants this witness absolutely tossed into the dustbins of humanity. He's one of us.

How would you advise him I think he has to be very careful. But as you know Jan I take the position that pastors should not avoid the cultural streams of the culture. We cannot simply stand by for example when same-sex was legalized.

I preached about that at Moody church. I get it. I think in a loving and broken way by broken I mean humility.

In fact, I have some people who struggle with that said that they disagreed, but they appreciated attitude with which I preached I preached about transgender is these things need to be explained to the congregation. And then there are some things that you might not want to deal with publicly because they raise so many issues at Moody church. What I sometimes did was I had seminars on certain topics so that those who are interested could come so that we could discuss issues that could be easily misunderstood in a public way recently.

There's an evangelical person and I won't mention them because I'm sure his books have been a blessing.

He apologized for preaching against same-sex marriage back in 2000 and because he was criticized for being invited to speak at our nation's Cathedral.

What he did as he said I'm sorry I hurt people. The Bible is often been used to hurt people. Now let's just take a deep breath, Jan, and asked how does this apology sound. I just want you to know that I wrote a letter in the first century that is hurt many people and it has been used or heard LB GT Q communities and I've been profoundly sorry for what I said above, same-sex relationships, because I know that what I wrote very hurtful signed the apostle Paul.

Here's the point when Paul wrote Romans. He was writing to a culture that was right with these dams and he didn't say I'm not going to mention the sense because I don't want to put up a stumbling block to the gospel he saw seeing the sinfulness of the is making the gospel necessary and I suppose as a pastor I would say this, one of the things that really happens in today's world is people no longer have a sense of sin and no conviction of sin and as a result, they don't even know if they really need a Savior.

Grace might be okay. It might be something you need but it does not demand any transformation so that's where we are as a culture, and even as an evangelical church. How can the average listener prepare for persecution. It's not just coming, it's already here and it's going to intensify. It's like that tachometer it's going to rev up and rev up. We have an administration again not friendly to people of faith.

How can my listeners prepare for this. I think you that almost have to prepare mainly spiritually, but if you have some other advice, please share it. First of all they have to understand the deeper issues and if I might mention.

That's why I wrote the book will not be silenced. Once you understand the underlying philosophy then you begin to know what's really happening. You have to understand social justice is biblically but also the false views that are being taught even today in evangelical churches. Having done that, you have to ask yourself the question, what does faithfulness look like to me that means we have to be loving, we shouldn't shout but we have to talk. We should not falsely accused, but at the same time we have to point out and we have to do it lovingly and then we have to take the consequences. You know in the early church when they were willing to be beaten. They didn't say now, Lord, help us so that we might not be persecuted again. They said, Lord, give us courage and boldness. And here's the point that the apostle Paul makes very clear persecution actually positions us for influence for the gospel. It gives us a new platform. I quote in my book from the persecutions in Germany. Yes, that one pastor said persecution has given us a new alphabetic because the time has come. He said when the gospel can no longer merely be preached in words. It has to be preached in deeds. It has to be preached in suffering. So if you look at church history, you realize that for 2000 years. The church is not had a lot of freedom. It's always been an island of righteousness in a sea of paganism. So we say to the American church. Let's wake up realize the task ahead and receive the consequences and trust God as a result of what we have done mainly the consequences and move forward. That's what the church is always done long before we began to have freedom as we do in America. I think were going to be coming under and then emphasize here man's wrath.

Satan's wrath because the church never comes under God's wrath. That's why the church is not found in the tribulation vanishes after Revelation 4 verse one because we never come under God's wrath, but as you say, we certainly have come under man's wrath. Satan's wrath for thousands of years here.

You had one word of wisdom for anybody listening who feels they need to prepare it would be what it would be this Jesus said blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my namesake for so persecuted they the prophets that were before you rejoice, because your reward will be great. That would be my word.

Let's not back down. But let's accept the pressure from the culture and do it as a badge of honor.

Dr. listener, and that seven speaking to for this segment we carry his book, we will not be silenced responding courageously to our culture's assault on Christianity find it an olive tree finds various places online but were carrying it and find my newsletters or by calling my office.

I only have a few minutes left, but I want to ask you this question because we carried your book when a nation forgets God.

This is some years ago we no longer carry it. I have to say that book impacted me greatly. Probably five, six years ago now subtitled seven lessons we must learn from Nazi Germany.

Well, that book is very applicable to today as well. I'm down to about two minutes but could use some just a few lessons that we could learn as Americans from Nazi Germany and again not the end here with Tillman gloom.

But again, how do we rise above this you look at some of the people in Nazi Germany who actually gave us a way forward.

The molar was told don't preach in the church against the right. Hitler said you can preach the pure gospel but you cannot get involved in the political scene and the molar should know he was in a concentration camp you think of Bob Hopper who stood against Hitler. He was willing to say what needed to be said and take the consequences. And as we know he was hung in Clawson Bird. What I'm simply saying is let's not be angry. Let's be loving. But let us speak and not be silent.

Let us not be shamed into silence. The last chapter of my book is entitled strengthen what remains. It comes from the words of Jesus to the church of Sardis.

The church of Sardis had no longer seen the world as an enemy.

So it bought into the culture. And here's the thing Janet this is a good place to and in that passage in Revelation 20 Jesus said you were dead but you think you're alive, but later on he says, but there still some of you in Sardis who have not soiled your garments and you shall walk with me in white, for you are worthy, I say to everyone listening today. Let us be among those that Jesus speaks they have not soiled their garments and they are still walking in righteousness in a world that is filled with anger against God's folks, we find ourselves here in the middle of its known as the cancel closer from the cancel culture to big tech censorship, which is what were experiencing those on the left there determined to dismiss defeat and repress any opinion that isn't in line with theirs now.

This isn't anything new. I think it's new in its intensity. It's new to America. We just talked about Nazi Germany. It was prominent there in the 30s and 40s and all of a sudden it's sincere and a straight in the face. Dr. Irwin Luther talks about all of this again. The book is we will not be silenced. We do carry it that I can always read cover to cover every product that we carry and then promote but I did this because were in the midst of being silenced 24 seven. We have a former president who was totally shut down and social media Christians are next. The church is next to be shut down on plenty of platforms but starting with social media were actually in a talk about then programming coming up in a few weeks talk Thank you for all you do and thank you for your writing your books have influenced me because I've read three or four of them each and every one is so relevant. Your previous book, the church in Babylon heeding the call to be a light in the darkness so relevant for today and that's what I thank you for is for tapping into the tone of today and trying to help us be salt and light and delay the decay.

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Olive trees used the arch through this New Year's together as we await his return. This ship is sinking folks live out their prosperity held good times are coming really does look around you know God is in control of everything is happening perfectly perfect timeline and plan but you connect all the dots in this ship is sinking. Jan is not joined by online evangelist Chad Thomas is a young man reaching young people with the good news of the gospel, emphasizing the lateness of the hour encourages us not to love this world as it is fading to fill the lifeboats. While there is time. Here is the conclusion to today's program like this. We knew it is not going back there is a whole new normal. That's coming a new world order.

The ship is sinking and sinking fast. Everything is happening and it will happen according to God's perfect prosthetic plan in his timeline we see where this is all had we don't know how much were to see before the rapture of the church of Jesus Christ.

All we know for sure good company when I say this is at the rapture of the church of Jesus Christ will occur before the Antichrist is revealed in before he confirms the covenant with many for one week to start the seven year tribulation. Welcome to part two of my programming talking to Chad Thomas for this segment of understanding the times radio chapters many times a week, prophecy, updates on YouTube a media format for today's generation. By the way's title is watchmen on the wall 88 can we reach the millennial generation arc to say anyone under the age of 40 or 45 years old with the issues that are front and center today but that the younger generation often finds to be inconvenient a threat to their future way to the negative. While I believe we can. Chad Thomas also believes we can and Rena talk about that and he is reaching his generation very effectively and by the way, Chad is 32 years old.

Chad welcome back to the program.

Thanks, Ravi, Megan, Janet, great to be here were talking here about the Instagram culture and it's kind of all about them. Even the church thinks that way, the seeker movement kind of encourages their way of thinking here talking to them you are reaching them. They are listening. What are they saying to you and that you mentioned the Instagram culture were told very clearly in second Timothy chapter 3 verse 1 to 5, where the apostle Paul tells the in the last days perilous times shall come to get the whole list of what the state of the world going to be like, and when you read through that entire list. You will see that exactly what happening right now and with the increasing in technology and the explosion of social media with Instagram, Twitter, tick-tock Facebook all the other forms of media your scene again how upset people are with themselves. What's incredible about this skin when you read through this entire list, you'll see that this is happening right here and right now and again like you said with the Instagram culture. Most people are in their thinking that things are going improve.

That's what you said to me there thinking things are going to return to normal now. I opened this program with the clip as you. This ship is sinking now. That's certainly on the negative side, it is. I think somewhat realistic.

Can we write to sinking ship.

Can we lift the Titanic. That's the assignment of the church is to be salt and light delay.

The decay younger people want to believe they have a future. They want to believe that their future is not going to be interrupted even by the rapture of the church and other words some of them. Not all of them. I got some emails here five time I read a couple of them there younger people and I think they're in their 20s even in there looking up exactly as you and I are absolutely again this ship is sinking.

I know when you hear that term. Like you said, it can be depressing, but the reality is the Bible tell us exactly what the fate of the world going to be like to get everything happen according to God's perfect prosthetic timeline and plan, but the ship is sinking, regardless of how you want to view it in like you said. I mean I'm around people my age all the time and people see what is happening.

They see something going on automatically what they're thinking is it's okay this is just a little rough patch and humanity working to get through this. Working to get our lives back to normal were so gonna plan our vacation next year and keep planning for the future, even if we have to wear masks or whatever we have to do to obey the government and the regulations were going to do it because we want our life back. I know many of them feel that they can have the best life now, the American dream. I understand and the earthly minded said recently in one year updates. This could be a peer to remember.

Tell me why you said that the reason I said that Jan is because the last few years we been seen, the cry for Mideast peace and security, peace and safety, peace and prosperity. You see it with Pope Francis. More recently with Jared Kushner and VP Emmanuel McCrone they've had Abraham accord this historic peace deal that was made by the United Arab Emirates and Israel. And we see many Arab nations getting involved with this peace process, which is absolutely incredible because were told in Daniel 927 that there will be a covenant that is confirmed when the many for one week and we can't be dogmatic and say this is the Daniel 927 covenant, but we see where this is all headed. The stage is getting set for it could be a precursor. Let me just comment on all of that. I want take a lot of time because my give you the time the peace talks in Israel. I mean, it has tremendous prophetic implications is no question about it. Keep in mind Angela referred a couple verses here that would move on from this, but it's important to keep in mind it says in Ezekiel 38 in the context being the dog, Magog war, the Russian invasion of Israel with many accomplices including Iran and Turkey, that when that war transpires, Israel will be living.

See clearly does securely mean she will just be trusting in the Antichrist or can we throw into the mix.

Her Arab neighbors will not be on more ground with her or could it be both. So you want to highlight the words of Ezekiel 3810 through 12 that she will be dwelling in peace and safety dwelling securely chatting away that jumped out at me as were talking peace.

There are absolutely again. I mean, this is amazing things and I know you said frequently the tribulation.

Casting a shadow on the earth and fellowship. We know were out of here before the Antichrist is revealed. And before that covenant is confirmed that you show you how close we are.

Frankly, we can save the debate as to whether Israel should be making any kind of peace deal zero voices. Frankly, on both sides of this issue.

What's important to believers is what does the Bible say about Israel's status in the last days as it concerns war or peace with her neighbors. Clearly they'll be last days war with Israel and also peace concerning Israel, let me ask you a few direct questions. Talking to Chad Thomas for this fragment of understanding the times radio sheds very active on social media, particularly he's active on YouTube and so are we are also active on Facebook, twitter Instagram very active on his channel his light just a quick heads up here because of censorship were posting obvious they are radio program to our website but now reposting our radio videos to our website as well.

Olive olive trees that were just go to radio and then complete archives, and you'll find a radio program and the video of the program here. A visual person. You might want to watch it. Still on YouTube until they censor us so we also posted to our website go to radio and then complete archives for the complete programming both audio and video Olive tree' Chad you told me that, partly because this is a little bit shocking, partly because of your pretrip position. In other words, you believe the church will be taken in the rapture of the church before the tribulation begins. You have literally had death threats. Now let me back up and just say that not everybody who does not hold to a pretrip position is violent, but I'm just a little shocked to hear that so talk to me about all Jan I know one of the things that you said frequently is the blessed hope has become a black and help and it can get pretty violent, especially in comments and email, then yes, there was emails and messages I had received threatening my life in a people saying that they're not in it like it when they get a hold of me. Also people emailing me that they have my address and they literally sent me my address and gave me the square footage of my home and did they go on and explain why they were so troubled yet because I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture been they didn't hold that view their upset their claim and on deceiving people on the false prophet that I need to be taken care of.

Why can't we sit down and reason with one another. Now we've deteriorated to death threats. When we disagree. I didn't think I'd see the day folks.

So how did you handle it. Originally in my original channel and article 200,000 subscribers. I had nobody working with me like help me control the page. What I did in the mean time was I had shut my channel down just until I can rebuild the new team and deal with all the war and madness that was coming to get the channel now I have a whole new team.

I have moderators and things are being controlled so that way when nasty stuff get sent that it dealt with my moving on and I've gotten tougher skin to I and you actually had said the same thing for my sister in Christ name is Cheryl. You need to get your rhino skin on you. Do you absolutely I'm learning through all this to folks. I gotta be copper is not easy. What we do. You know that till we play little clip.

As you said this is you in one of your little updates here and we can talk about it after we play it. I believe the rapture of the church itself is the trigger. That's good cause complete worldwide civil unrest complete chaos and complete worldwide economic collapse in the Antichrist will come onto the role. Staging only order out of chaos, and it was good to be looking to him as the Messiah. False Messiah is all the world, Mr. fix it all. But you see a lot of right now putting their faith and trust in world leaders to get us through bad times and everything's going to go back to normal now. This ship is sinking and you need to get on the lifeboat that my food is Jesus Christ. So you're somebody that thinks things are just to go back to normal.

We got years and years and years and years left.

Just look around you and look at what the Bible says if you connect all the dots and everything that's converging right now especially what's happening right now with the nation of Israel received a call for peace and security, peace and safety in the Middle East signing ceremony of the historic peace deal just made between the United Arab Emirates and Israel start to see other Arab nations getting on board with this, and you see the continued price for peace and safety, peace and security. You will see where this is all headed Chad.

What I'd like to ask you, and that have precluded. First of all, we just heard your clip. There about those stunning things that are going on looking at the tide of her times.

I think the most significant thing I've observed is the stunning rise of lawlessness, the spirit of antichrist. I saw the spark begin here in my hometown Minneapolis lease. I saw it in the media. I wasn't at the location of the George Floyd incident. From there the lawlessness is spread to about 50 US cities and then all the way to Europe and Australia causing a mass exodus of people out of the cities. I don't see things returning to normal, either. These riots are going to lead to a rapidly sinking ship.

And then I talk to you privately and I said okay now you tell me what you've seen this year that just stands out the most. I couldn't agree with you more. In your observation. Talk to us about what you've perceived and observed absolutely again, what you just mentioned.

In terms of the lawlessness. I couldn't agree more with what were saying right now the spirit of antichrist. I mentioned you think one of the things that stood out to me the most was you have this coronavirus pandemic or pandemic is a lot of like to call it that basically shut down the whole world. It couldn't be any more evident where this is pushing us toward you connect all the dots with this pandemic that cuts down the world. It setting the stage for a coming New World order and the coming one world government. This one world religion and this coming one world currency, the mark of the beast system which the beast system. The technology here for now, but could be implemented until during the tribulation. What this whole pandemic has done. If you just push the that much closer to the tribulation. You're absolutely right and look how fast it's happened only months to literally change the dynamic of the entire world. The other amazing part two is again people want to live negative do whatever they have to to live.

This is just showing us when the time does come during the tribulation.

Were there and require you to have this mark of the Beatty in your right hand or on your warhead how easy it to see people organ to be to accept this eliciting understanding the times radio and Jim are killing him on the line from the East Coast had Thomas.

Some of you are watching his updates there couple times a week, if not more watchmen on the wall 88 actually took his channel down and that was over some consternation that was going on online.

The online community can be friendly. It can also be an attacking community some unfortunate things happen. Then Chad was able to rebuild as he is now encourage you to check it out into be supportive of him and chat you're talking to all ages in my right when you're on your online outreach is at all ages absolutely what they saying about what you just spoke about. Frankly, we talked about a number of things here in just about 17 minutes to talk about the peace in the Middle East.

We talked about the spirit of antichrist.

We talked about the coming New World order.

Some of these are little bit daunting. So tell me what your listeners think about this. Are they looking up or are they looking in fear and what's amazing with a lot of my viewers and commoners. What I'm seeing a lot of people are excited they see what happening there saying they know the redemption draws near, that the day is approaching because were told we will see that they approaching like it says in first Thessalonians 418 were a comfort one another comfort one another with these words.

People are excited now I know that there are some people that may be in fear over this. If you're in Christ you have nothing to fear because you're not can it be here now to reiterate folks we don't know how much work in a sea before the rapture were just told were not can it be here for the tribulation. Which is a horrific timeframe. We don't know how much work in a sea before the rapture of the church and I call my viewers you need to live each day that today could be the day, but also prepared occupied if it years from now, seen it in years from now you mean you can agree it could be a lot sooner.

The way things are moving. I do see from my experience on how long I've been on YouTube, especially that there seems to be a lot more of the younger generation that's rising up 10 really better getting interested in end times eschatology they see something going on during courage but at the same time there is a discouragement because their friends there laughing at them and they can't seem to get their family members on board there discouragement they want people to get save those it. They love and they care about. Couple of emails. These are from younger people. I want to start I can't name him, I can tell you that he's in Dubai and I got this email and I just feel I have to at least read and not in the name him the two dangerous that you can pray for this young man. He says I'm 16-year-old and living in Dubai. I've been a regular listener to your program for the past few months to always enjoy the words of encouragement from your prophecy, updates, and so on. I'm writing this email to inform you about what is occurring here in Dubai, beginning with my experiences at school today. There has probably never been more struggle from a single day in my entire life. Upon praying a few weeks ago about what my place is at school and what it means to truly be the only Christian out of the class of hundred and 50 students. I had decided to take a stand and no longer bound to the majority on ideological theological or political issues in order to appeal to the mob. He says this was not easy in today after asking the Lord repeatedly for the right opportunity. Certain remarks made by my peers and teachers around me warranted a respectful response and I expose myself as a believer in Christ and strongly against abortion.

I condemned the black lives matter movement. This came at a price that, to be honest, I was expecting. I have now been labeled a racist Islamic phone sex is hateful, and many other names and have lost many friends.

I consider dear and close despite not being popular in any sense of the word.

The entire class now knows.

Nevertheless, I never have been happier or more content and feel as though what I did was completely right.

I always remember Matthew 511 when faced with such ridicule. Jesus Christ is with me till the end and I'd rather stand with God and be judged by the world than stand with the world and be judged by God. What I believe I hold near in my heart and it will not change regardless of my current situation. Even though this pandemic. My safe has grown even greater. Despite the new challenges of being a student this year, Chad.

That's a 16-year-old haze in Dubai. That's not his home country. He's there from another country. I'm not naming look at what you encourage this young man place absolutely what I can tell you, young man. Just remember that were told in these times that people organ a call good evil and evil good, and that's exactly what happening today, but you're an ambassador for Christ he's chosen you for such a time as this to rise up and he tell you in his word that you're gonna be persecuted. But your award can it be great in heaven and encourage you that you are loved so much by our King. And like that you are is ambassador you been born for such a time is that he called you for such a time as this to rise up and there is millions of young adults in this world right now. They're going through similar things to you there. Faced with this opposition again.

You're called evil, for the good for what God has called us to do what your taking a stand and you're going to be rewarded. You just need to hang in there. Keep the faith keep doing what God has called you to do and keep planting the seeds it might seem like feature planning right now are falling on deaf ears. But God will provide the increase in his timing. Whether it's now or during the tribulation because millions come to Christ during the tribulation. Three and it could be that the seed you plant young man is the seed that God will use will provide that increase.

At some point during the tribulation. You are making a difference.

You encourage me what you just read that email that encourages for me to be stronger my faith. I want to read another one Chad talkie Ted Thomas. This is from an atheist season of the young man. He says I'm an atheist by listen to your sale nearly every week for about 10 years when I lived in Minneapolis. I listened as well. Religiously, seriously, I didn't miss a single week, even attended understanding the times conference in 2014. Now with children and such. I'm having more difficult time keeping up with the podcast I want to drop you this note to say. Keep up the good work religiously on a nonbeliever culturally. I couldn't be more aligned with your messages. I'm dismayed at the direction of this country, but I'm given hope when I see you standing tall and strong for what is right and good for this nation. Best wishes to you and your loved ones.

That's Greg in Seattle. Chad we need to encourage Greg and we've already done this.

I think throughout this half hour.

At that time is very, very short and that Greg in Seattle, declaring himself an atheist, rather proud atheist, but a kind and gentle one needs the Lord Jesus Christ before it's too late Jan, first off, it's amazing that you have unbelievers and believers both that watcher channel that follow you. I used to be an atheist.

I used to be somebody just like that and it wasn't until I read the Bible and I saw that every word and there is true and how much God loves us what he has in store for us and that salvation to me and everything I was involved with before Jesus saved me that he would love me enough to go to the cross for me and pay the full penalty for our sin so that we can be forgiven and be with him forever.

Greg, I used to be someone that didn't believe.

From the bottom of my heart. This is all real. This is all real. You see something going on. This is all the Bible you've been listening to Jan and you're listening to this now for a reason Jesus is waiting there with his arms wide open and you can be saved.

Right now it says in second Corinthians 6 do that now is the accepted time. Now is the day of salvation.

You put your faith in your trust that he shed his precious blood. Few on the cross of Calvary, believing that he died for you was buried and resurrected on the third day, as it is written in the Scriptures. He can save you right here and right now on imploring you to make that decision now because it's the best one you're ever going to make thank each and appreciate your encouraging her Greg Greg in Seattle and one more email.

This is Danielle. She says I listen to your program from 2019 with Chad, Thomas was encouraged to keep telling my friends about the Lord and his goodness year program has also shed light from a that there other younger people my age who are interested. My generation is not all lost, all I agree with you Danielle. It's not I wanted to send this note to encourage you and to let you know that there is a portion of the younger generation who are listening to you listen to Chad and the other watchman and we are encouraged to continue speaking to her family's friends, coworkers, and the like. We young people need outlets like yours to stay encouraged and stay focused on God and his word and his promises and from Danielle Chad wrap it up. We got a couple minutes and you've given a good gospel message. The gospel call to salvation, which, of course, that's the point.

That's why you're doing what you're doing is why am doing what I'm doing yes were looking at signs of the times and the signs of the times were looking at them because they indicate that Jesus is coming back in time is going to run out as we know it. And as we said opening this program suddenly things are happening in an astounding pace that we haven't seen happen before or just trying to highlight them in the various methods that we have to do that but I give you a minute or two if you want to sum up Jan you couldn't set any better. Jesus is coming folks we don't know exactly when, but man that day is approaching rapidly.

And here's the bottom line if you're listening to this right now again and you don't have Jesus Christ but you see what's happening around the world.

The truth is again the ship is sinking and you need to get on that lifeboat. Me and Jan were not telling you to get religious.

This is an about religion. This is about a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ EchoStar for you right now it's all about putting your faith in your trust in his shed blood that the penalty that he paid to on the cross of Calvary that we can never pay on our own because believe put your faith and trust in me again in my death, burial and resurrection. You can be saved right now and don't wait on this focus, the most important thing is, none of us are promise our next breath on this planet. Bottom line is heaven and hell. They are very real, literal places in each one of us working to spend eternity in one of those destinations and Jesus Christ is the only way to the kingdom of heaven.

And the only name that can save us now is the accepted time. Now is the day of salvation.

But the king is coming and I just want to see everybody rise up and keep planting seeds and don't be discouraged.

It may seem that the teacher planning or falling on deaf ears. But don't be discouraged.

Keep planting the seeds and telling people about Jesus and giving them the gospel, their salvation, and telling them they can be saved right now because again you don't know who's listening. God gives the increase in his timing to we all need to be encouraged, but we don't know how short time is like Jan said we need to get busy folks because that tropic a town in a moment to thank you for all you do is look them up online watchman on the wall leading on his YouTube channel and sign them lease twice a week with very short updates that are commenting on the tide of our times. Very cutting edge very insightful. She's got younger people in your life directed him to chat with you because he's going to connect with him.

I promise she was going to do that, folks, we covered multiple topics and issues this hour. What unprecedented times we are in. So let's say with the Psalmist. I trust in you, oh Lord, our times are in your hands and let's remember the words of Isaiah 33 where we read that only God is the stability of our times.

I want to thank you for listening will talk to you next week when I'll be joined by a mere society. We welcome your feedback when you write us at olive tree ministries of John Markel olive tree and used auto Lord, olive trees use arch coal is simple time. 76355944447 635-5944 male when you write us at Box 1452, Grove, MN 55311 Xbox 1452 Maple Grove, MN 55311. All gifts are tax-deductible. We know our times can be discouraging is tempting to unplug from dark news headlines. God knew exactly where we would be at this point in time. Yes, everything under control yes engraved you on the palms of his hands.

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